The Tragic Story of The 'Hidden Kennedy' | Rosemary Kennedy, Forced to Have a Lobotomy

[@rustinstardust2094]

The one thing I find most impressive here is that despite how strict the father was with his children and insistent they be perfect and make the family look spotless...as soon as he died they went and got their sister and completely involved her with the family. I'm glad they were able to think for themselves.

[@tiredtears4177]

She lived near me for a very long time. Even the driveway to the home was like a mile long to hide the house she stayed in

[@sophiizplace]

Yea He wanted them to be so perfect he ruin a blessing God had given..because despite her being held inside the womb for 2 solid hours she still grew up to be a beautiful woman. But even after surviving that kind of childhood trauma, that wasnt good enough for him. So what she was slower?. ( because of that stupid nurse) she was still out in the world being.. " normal!...and then she was.. WOKE,,,during that heinous procedure?...He let Dr, Frankenstein experiment on his child, just because she was merely (in this case )..most likely on the spectrum. Smh...

[@bostonblackie9503]

The complete Kennedy clan are wrotten to the core!

[@sophiizplace]

@@bostonblackie9503 I heard that...History has added a few question marks also....

[@jaynehogue2459]

They should have done that and involved their sister before the father died. That to me is cowardice that they didn't

[@JP-sb6ll]

I’m not surprised by Rosmary’s father’s actions towards her. The whole thing about him being a Nazi sympathizer was a dead giveaway, of what kind of human being he was.

[@lesliesmith5797]

Not a good one, that’s for sure.

[@jasperhorace7147]

@@lesliesmith5797 And a religious bigot into the bargain.

[@margiemasih990]

Nazi..

[@mblmbl1574]

Who doesn’t go visit their ill daughter - ever again???? Horrible people.

[@lighthouselaura4324]

Hugo boss, seamens, bear asprin, fanta, ford, ibm, vw & numerous insurance companies all became huge by supporting Nazi. Prior to The invasion of Poland lots of people supported the Nazi movement. Then they began to realize what was happening (minus the xamps). Also the world was antisemitic for thousands of years, so the propaganda wasn't unusual. Still today people are anti zion. Saying that has a control all the money- same old shit. The reason your awake during brain procedures, is because u need to talk during it.

[@elmienliebenberg9145]

I completely broke down seeing the photos of Rosemary as an elderly woman slumped down her chair. What her father did to her was unforgivable. She was awake for the whole torture. I will not justify that barbaric act by calling it a medical procedure. It was a savage experiment. More people must know about this. Thank you for telling her story. Thank you for the 10k likes 🙏

[@ascent8487]

I think he was too ashamed to ever face her again. Or rather to truly face what he’d done. First, it’s possible that without the nurses horrible instruction to her mother, she’d have been born with no issues whatsoever. But even with cognitive disabilities, she had a chance at a happy, fulfilling life. He stole from her what potential she had.

[@TheAvprobeauty]

lobotomy wasn’t even developed by a doctor it was originally created by a salesman disgusting the giles of man

[@lostboi210]

Oh hes in hell right now answering for all his horrific transgressions

[@angiebrown1729]

The medical folks still do surgery's while the patient is still awake.

[@klarabarunovic9841]

I wouldn't call it savage,that is too nice of a word

[@kayejohnson3000]

What was done to Rosemary was CRIMINAL, first by the nurse, then by her own father! That man was a monster!

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

Facts! 💯

[@christophermiller159]

Yea he was!!

[@itsjorgeroblox1779]

He got karma though, he got a stroke and was unable to walk or speak. Exactly what happened to Rosemary, unable to walk or speak. He got his apple

[@anndillard8681]

Same was done to my mother - by the same dr.. read DADDY THROWS ME IN THE AIR - memoir/self-help

[@mikeborgmann]

​@@itsjorgeroblox1779yeah but he had his stroke late in life, she was a young woman with her entire life ahead of her....

[@SterlingKato]

I actually met her while I was in primary school. We went to deliver homemade Christmas cards to a nursing home, and each one of us were assigned a member of the facility to make a card for, and I got Rosemary Kennedy. I didn't know exactly who she was at the time. I was pretty young. We went to the home, sang some Christmas songs for them, and then it came time to deliver our cards to our designated people. When I delivered mine, I remember seeing a smiling face on the woman and it warmed my heart. She was shown the card by her aid and she looked at it and smiled at me again. She didn't speak at all, but did make sounds that you could tell were words (perhaps saying "Thank you"?). Either way, some years later I learned who it was I gave that card to and honestly, it was really a shock at first but then learning more about her, I'm glad that in some part I could give her a little hint of joy with that little card. It's still a memory I remember pretty well. :)

[@Madmarsha]

Oh, wow. And what a nice thing for young children to do to learn how to think about others.

[@seemedecrazymuse]

Wow! Cool

[@Dvp1169]

It’s the little things that we do for others that often make the biggest difference. That is beautiful that you were encouraged to visit a care home as a child. I feel like it’s not done enough these days, and children are more likely to grow indifferent to the elderly and the marginalized.

[@roseelley4470]

Where did you live?

[@roseelley4470]

Diana Dacks - I totally agree that children are growing up today indifferent to the marginalized.

[@Mrs.TJTaylor]

He couldn’t legally kill her, so he did the next best thing. What a monster. And all to avoid the embarrassment of having an “imperfect” child.

[@user-yd4nk4lm6s]

You shouldn't oversimplify a difficult situation. This is how people behaved in those days. Read Larson's book on Rosemary for a more balanced and fair narrative.

[@foxwyrick1]

The procedure he forced on her was bad enough but to abandon her afterwards was appalling. He couldn't face up to his mistake. A decent human would have, but he wasn't decent to begin with.

[@GlennaVan]

The only good thing is that he, a Nazi sympathizer, didn't send her to Germany for their experiments!

[@nuthinbutluv4u142]

@@user-yd4nk4lm6s Kathleen knew better, as did her siblings after his death. No, not EVERYONE behaved this way.

[@angidaminescu1340]

@@user-yd4nk4lm6s are u joking?? Oversimplify??? He ruined her life!! The procedure he did to her and then hiding her as far as possible from all the family and friends,was nothing short of killing any chance of a normal life she could have had.That is far and beyond monstrous to be done by your own father! Are u actually trying to find excuses for what that sorry ass of a man did?! I don't care he was a successful loved business man,he was a lousy, horrible, monstrous father! He was trying to be better with the others because he had a gain. They were bringing him the White House and that is no little thing. I feel sick just to think what a disgusting creature of a man he was.

[@londonm3161]

A nurse did the same thing to me when I was born! Only for a few minutes, not a few hours, but she had the same reasoning: the doctor wasn't in yet, the birth needed to be delayed. I was born 70 years after Rosemary, in September of 1998. I suffer from numerous neurological problems now, but live an otherwise normal life as a disabled 23 year old woman. I wish Rosemary could've said the same

[@MsSwitchblade13]

Oh dear God!! 1998??? There's no reasoning for that! It doesn't take a doctor to birth a child! Women do it unassisted if they have to and that nurse I'm sure had the basic know-how! I'm sorry that happened but glad you can live relatively normal. I hope your mother or you sued that idiot nurse or the hospital.

[@smiley1960]

I don't understand, we're you stuck in the birth canal? Is that why the nurse wanted the doctor? Sometimes babies do get stuck, it's dangerous and it's what leads to C- sections to get the baby out before more oxygen loss.

[@londonm3161]

@@smiley1960 no, I crowned before the doctor was in and the nurse pushed against my head the keep me there until a doctor was present. I wasn't stuck, my mom had already had one baby by that point and had given birth vaginally then too. the nurse just insisted that a doctor be the one to deliver the baby

[@emilyangel._.]

The same thing happened to me except when I crowned the nurse didn’t push my head in she just kept yelling at my mom to quit pushing cause the doctor wasn’t there yet, I was born in 2003

[@samanthacook2495]

@@londonm3161 Or that was the excuse the evil witch used. I'm so sorry that happened to you and to your mother.

[@BunnnyMocha]

This actually made me weep. Imagine destroying the life of your eldest, most beautiful daughter simply because she's incapable of meeting your standards. Then imagine having the audacity to tell your son that the most important role above being the president was that of a father, yet you failed at being one yourself. What a joke. That monster wasn't a father, he was a sociopathic incarcerator.

[@pearlseashell]

Exactly and joe was the reaon why his son John f kennedy,went on and got 2beautifil woman killed whom he had an affsire with during hid presidency! I remember watching a program about marilyn and that lady and where it started

[@ann-carolinemorner6405]

He was just a little upstart. He managed to become ambassador to the UK just in order to have his wife and daughters presented at court. Poor Rosemary, she would have been much happier as a cottager's wife back in Ireland.

[@BTSArmy-ge5gf]

He was actually an amazing father by all accounts

[@nadiajurasek186]

@@BTSArmy-ge5gf Give me a brake !!!! He was a monster !!!!

[@BTSArmy-ge5gf]

@@nadiajurasek186 Not really, he did everything correctly... the only mistakes made were by the nurse during birth, and the doctor screwing up the lobotomy

[@caspence56]

If my husband did this to my child without my knowledge, that would have been the last thing he ever did on this earth. How Rose Kennedy stood by him after she found out about the lobotomy, along with his numerous affairs throughout their marriage, I'll never know.

[@paperluvxhearts8510]

Yes, as a mom nothing is more important than my child. If my husband did that, I will literally kill him,

[@bigbawlzlebowski8886]

@@paperluvxhearts8510 it was expected of women to be docile and subservient back then. Leaving him would have left her with nothing because she probably didn't work being a housewife and all

[@caspence56]

@@bigbawlzlebowski8886 Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy, whose father was the Mayor of Boston, came from a very wealthy family. No doubt this was the main reason why Joseph Kennedy was determined to marry her, as it would have given him a boost up the social and political ladder. She was hardly a "penniless housewife."

[@zezmerelda240]

catholic

[@tinypoolmodelshipyard]

Um don't you remember how catholic that Kennedys where. They didn't live in today society they love a 100 years ago and she was to catholic for divorce or to kill him. Jesus take off your 2021 rose color glasses and understand how different times were and how religious they were. She wasn't going to do either and did what most other women would have done in that time period. There was no tinder for quick rebounds back then...cmon

[@digitalsoop]

What the nurse did to Rosemary is still happening TODAY. My sister was forced by the head nurse to hold her baby in the birth canal because the doctor wasn't there yet. By the time the doctor had arrived the epidural had worn off, and it was now an emergency birth. The doctor was absolutely furious with the nurse, berating her through the entire birth. It was traumatic for everyone involved and it's lucky that my niece has shown no lasting side effects now that she's 3 years old. I hope that the nurse lost her job, but I doubt it. I can't understand how a team of nurses trained in neonatal care can't deliver a baby and keep it stable until a doctor arrives, and would rather risk injuring or killing the baby by delaying a birth that has already started.

[@YaakovEzraAmiChi]

Yeah if any nurse told that to my child's mother at labor I'd tell them to f8ck off. Especially since knowing better. I'm sorry for all those who trusted medical professionals only to be betrayed and done for the worse

[@TheLeastOfficialOfBros]

If you’re having a baby without the doctor present and the head is already starting to crown, the nurse better get ready to catch the kid. Wouldn’t it have been better to actually deliver the kid even if the doctor wasn’t there?

[@EnDB]

Even though they know it's dangerous, they're more worried about the possible aftermath. They don't know how to stop hemorrhaging, repair perineal tears, or exactly how to correct dystocia. Besides that, many nurses don't have liability insurance coverage like a doc does

[@digitalsoop]

@@EnDB i assume, then, that if the baby or mother is injured while delaying a birth because the doctor isn't there, the liability would be on the hospital or the doctor. The baby can still be injured or killed while in the nurse's care if the mother is forced to keep her baby in the birth canal because a doctor isn't there. So is the liability only shifted to the nurse once the mother gives birth? What if the mother can't stop her labor even though the nurses are demanding it? Would the nurse be liable for injuries if she had to forcibly keep the baby from being born? It seems to me in a scenario where the baby is already well down the birth canal and no one knows how long it will take for the doctor to arrive, then the sensible option would be to birth the baby. You're at risk for liability for injuries to the baby or the mother either way at that point, right?

[@EnDB]

No, at that point they aren't in charge. If they take charge and tell her to push, they assume responsibility from that point on.

[@franchescamarcelle1819]

Sad thing is before this barbaric procedure, there was really nothing wrong with her. She was just a little slow to learn, she could have lived a perfectly normal life, but people (in this case her father) were so ignorant back then.

[@kenseym5272]

Her father was a monster all around.

[@michellemelville8979]

Society in general were ignorant. Mental institutions at the time were still barbaric. The era of hiding people away who might tarnish a families good name.

[@lukasribin4168]

I mean..that’s putting it lightly, there was very clearly something wrong via the brain damage she initially incurred as a result of the botched birth, to dismiss that is to dismiss a tragedy in and of itself, she had other privileges that allowed mitigation of that fact, but that’s not to sweep it under the rug. The point is not that she had no prior issue, the point is that what started out as an accident, ended up in a purposeful and cruel procedure that stole even more of her mental capacity to the point she could not even enjoy her previous privileges and mitigating factors, her situation was made so much worse, it should have been left alone in the least.

[@fredithegeroo906]

Friendly reminder, people used to think smoking cigarettes was healthy back then.

[@annelieseharrison9027]

Eugenicists still think the same today. They have not changed.

[@atiqahdiyana5665]

As horrible as this story is, I genuinely feel uplifted by the fact that all her other siblings did what they could to rectify the situation and tried their best to push forward future support for people similar to their sister. She didn’t deserve what her father did to her. But I’m at least glad that it started awareness among the future generations over it

[@razor1uk610]

..then years later Regan defunded asylum's and rolled back a lot of supporting institutions, bills & amendments relating to mental & physical health, because apparently Christians are supposedly really caring, just like Rosemary's Natzi father

[@jessicamarie8299]

It’s still heartbreaking this poor girl had suffered from the minute she was born. 😢😢

[@sandrap629]

Did it

[@Ladybhive71]

​@@jessicamarie8299💯

[@sandrabenson4792]

I have probably read every book about Rosemary Kennedy. Though it was so sad, her brother's brought into law about allowing people with mental issues to live in their homes with their families and not be institutionalized. Rosemary's sacrifice and having to deal with such a deranged father also freed many others who were locked away in nursing homes. Because of what her father did to her, it became public knowledge after her father's death and many laws were written and made effective for the safety of people with mental health issues. Thank you Rosemary. If not for you, I may be one of those people that would have been locked up and institutionalized by the old standards. You had done so much for the mental health community. (As well as her brother, JFK) It's just so sad.

[@jayleemittens9858]

It wasn't a sacrifice. A sacrifice is done with permission

[@tomdavis3038]

The Kennedy’s are a mental institution that somehow keeps getting elected.

[@arcious60]

I hate special Ed but it's better than a lobotomy.

[@hectorsmommy1717]

So many positives done by her siblings but the most significant was her brother Ted creating and getting the Americans with Disabilities Act through congress. The ADA is all encompassing, whether the disabilities are mental or physical, and many people's lives are better because of it. The most significant is requiring employers to make "reasonable accommodations" for disabled employees and not being able to fire them because of a disability.

[@hectorsmommy1717]

@Brp 549 Every person's situation is different but proving discrimination over a firing isn't as hard as many people think it is. Generally there is a pattern leading up to it and if the employee documents well it can be proven. There are many attorneys who specialize in ADA cases and work on contingency so you don't need money to hire one. My documentation was so good that they settled out of court and I actually wrote most of the complaint and responses myself. My attorney only needed 15 minutes to edit and be with me for the hearing. We settled and she said my case was so easy she would just bill me for her time which came to a total of $600.

[@NYMusic89563]

The lobotomy is the worst thing that’s ever happened in medicine in my opinion.

[@Dina52328]

Also the Thalidomide drug that caused horrible deformities in newborn babies in the 1960’s. What a catastrophe for the babies that survived. How sad.

[@discogoth]

And the Twilight Sleep that was very common during birth in the 1910s when Rose was born. The medicalization of pregnancy and childbirth has been an absolute disaster.

[@catphat7912]

It was disgusting thinking that jabbing and cutting the most delicate organ in the body well fix any problem someone has. many where basically turned into mindless vegetables but without this gruesome medical “treatment” we would not know as much about the brain then what we do now. knowing different parts of the brain do different things like the frontal lobe is in charge of memory and thought process the back part of the brain is in charge of vision but without knowing this, many medical conditions like epilepsy would still be a mystery to help a great example of this there was a little girl with severe seizures so doctors carefully take out half of her brain but because of learning from the past the little girl no longer had seizures and is fully functional without any physical or mental issues the medical field holds a horrible and gruesome past but without that past we would not be to where we are now

[@ruvimbomichellemuzheve4531]

read into what they did to slaves 10000x time worse

[@KIRKSHINTATURNIPSEED]

If you think thats the worse in medicine read the book medical apartheid - black women were experimented on in horrific experiments

[@courtneyfox2497]

How could they do that to a birthing mother ! And that poor child. People are so cruel and ignorant .

[@DylanRomanov]

I was horrified hearing that, In what world does it make sense to prevent the baby from coming out?

[@courtneyfox2497]

@@DylanRomanov I know right ! That's just so shocking . Thank God thats well known now. When birth became controlled by doctors mortality rates sky rocketed of mother's and babies . They didn't know back then they had to wash their hands and these doctors would go straight from patient to patient even autopsy's to delivering babies with no washing hands or gloves or anything. Also the chainsaw was invented to aid in childbirth! Some gruesome birth history for your day 👀👀

[@emw5]

@@DylanRomanov it happens here in America disproportionately to BLACK & BROWN women

[@pepperprovasnik]

Mine was born that was too. It happens more than you think

[@pepperprovasnik]

@@emw5 it happens in the US to poor women. Of ANY color.

[@victoriajohnson1117]

It's so sad how they treated this beautifully, sweet lady. I can't believe he did that to his daughter. Embarrassment from a child with a disability is a special kind of evil.

[@marlenanapier3186]

truth

[@marlenanapier3186]

the matriarch also said that when her other daughter and son in law died in plane crash that it was DIVINE INTERVENTION for marrying outside her FAITH! i hate the kennedys.

[@kellyshomemadekitchen]

Very true but society, especially the upper echelons, was completely different back then. It was a disgrace to have a disabled child and the Kennedys were definitely not the only family to hide away a handicapped child. Not justifying their actions in any way, just pointing out what a different world they lived in compared to now. However, I do feel they redeemed themselves somewhat by creating the Special Olympics.

[@lesliegoodman-malamuth9796]

Rosemary’s sister Kathleen “Kick” Kennedy worked on a newspaper at the time of Rosemary’s lobotomy. She’d researched lobotomies, and said anxiously to her father, “Dad, this isn’t what we want for Rosie.” He ignored her.

[@REALcatmom]

If only he’d listened!

[@lesliegoodman-malamuth9796]

@@REALcatmom Isn’t it sad? And Rosemary was not really all that mentally impaired. That was demonstrated in the diaries she kept when the family lived in Europe. It was whispered, when Rosemary began to leave her school unchaperoned, that her father’s greatest fear was that she’d get pregnant.

[@REALcatmom]

@@lesliegoodman-malamuth9796 I’d also read that.

[@indiatastic]

i thought he never told anyone??

[@lesliegoodman-malamuth9796]

@@indiatastic Word leaked out…

[@patsysolatzzo2962]

Rosemary is the reason why Britney Spear’s situation scares me. When someone has enough power and money who is anyone else to stop their power over their children…absolutely saddening.

[@PrincessDie187]

Totally

[@henri7054]

This is flippin so sad a life ruined over pride 😢

[@jn8922]

Exactly. Its like a horror movie. All you need to get locked up in a mental asylum is someone in your family saying you're insane. Its horrific. And like the doctor and the sick nurse, there could a cruel sick psychiatrist out there willing to just sign away and have you committed. The more you protest, the more insane they'll say you are. It chills my blood.

[@amberagain3487]

Britney posts videos of herself dancing in her mansion and vacationing in the tropics lol I can’t see their situations in the same light

[@patsysolatzzo2962]

@@amberagain3487 are you not following her situation? Britney Spears had been in a conservatorship for over a decade now. She has no control over her image, her work, or social media. She has a team that was managed by her father who was controlling her every move from making her preform world tours when she didn’t want to, barring her from marriage and having children, and keeping her in her home under supervision. After her public meltdown, her father took control over her entire life and brand. She can’t even see her kids that that back up dancer has custody of. She’s not vacationing and dancing in her mansion. Her dancing for a large part of the past 3 years have been a call for help. She was begging her fans who have zero power to help….in a desperate attempt to spotlight her situation. Most people saw what you did but people who followed her knew something wasn’t right…her dancing became vacant and her captions became cryptic. Now, everything was revealed to the courts that everything fans have been speculating is factual. She is completely a slave to her own brand being abused in plain sight. Which is horrorfying because someone like you sees what you commented but the reality is far more bleak.

[@tyishaariel]

I’m in tears 😭.. my heart goes out to Rosemary. She was beautiful & didn’t deserve to spend all those years alone and in the shadows. This is a very sad story.

[@sarai373]

This made me cry as well. The thing is so many children of the wealthy who were born with some challenge back in those days were sometimes banished away from the family in a secret room in their house or sent away. The first time I read that I cried like a baby for all those children. Research it. In fact no don't research it. It's depressing. Just pray for their precious little souls.

[@xyz7572]

A bit poorly worded, sounds a bit like you mean the reason she didn’t deserve it was because she was pretty. She wouldn’t have deserved it even if she was really ugly.

[@kimberleelovett9377]

Indeed, very sad. Bless precious heart.

[@judylloyd7901]

The sad thing about the story is that it all would have been prevented from the start if the nurse had not pushed the baby's head back into the birth canal for TWO HOURS!!!!

[@tomdavis3038]

Cry me a River. What do all the tears do? Noting

[@AurielArts]

My great Aunt was given a lobotomy and institutionalized for how she struggled. After being misdiagnosed for over 30 years, I found out I was on the Autism spectrum and most likely she was too. Both sides of my family have this. They made her worse and my life (and my family’s) would have been massively different if we had all known sooner. At least these days more and more is coming to light.

[@girl1213]

Lobotomies are the reason my grandma never got my dad diagnosed. She feared the institutions and for good reason. I don't blame her for covering up Dad's Asperger's syndrome as "being painfully shy" since it was her best defense against those who did not understand there was nothing wrong with my dad, just that he was different. Dad didn't even know until I was diagnosed at age 12 and Grandma finally opened up about it. Answered a lot of my dad's questions about himself.

[@emilypharr2454]

I have an autistic son and I believe that Rosemary was autistic the way that she is described before the lobotomy. So sad!!!

[@robblequoffle8456]

Imagine having a needle jammed in your brain, all because of a mild mental deficiency/disorder

[@nmc1859]

My great aunt was also. It has drastically affected the way my family dealt with things.. a lot of secrecy and brushing things under the rug. Of course I feel for this great aunt I never met .. I pray her soul is resting in peace.

[@sofie5619]

”She was pushed back up in the birthcanal where she stayed for 2hours” How does this sound like a good idea? Insane! 😳😖🤢🤮

[@nancyhopple8138]

Babies are killed before birth every day.

[@queerlibtardhippie9357]

@@nancyhopple8138 And how is that relevant to the babies who have to suffer permanent damage because of incompetent "medical professionals?" Things that are dead do not suffer. Things that live remember suffering.

[@ashashraa6579]

@@queerlibtardhippie9357 So because they're dead and can't remember, it's justifiable to end their lives in the first place? What kind of effing logic is that?

[@user-yd4nk4lm6s]

It was for money. The nurses were instructed to do this for the doctor to arrive and collect the bill.

[@alinagongu3824]

@@user-yd4nk4lm6s you are so, so right and smart!

[@deidre1965]

As a mother of a special needs adult child... this is horrifying! I'm blessed to be my daughter's mother. How could a father do that to his child?

[@lighthouselaura4324]

It was the norm to institutionalize special needs the.

[@rickyparrilla2426]

Thank you. There is no excuse for what he did and her brothers & sisters should have fought harder for there sister since she couldn't.

[@bailey7792]

I mean.. were really expecting people who were just BARELY out of the Victorian Era, to have the ethics, morals, and medical information that we have today? Like come on lol.. the way we think today, was not the norm for people back then. Yes its sad what happened to her.. but you can't honestly expect that people back then, should've behaved how we do today.

[@user-yc7qe5jc8w]

Monster

[@user-yc7qe5jc8w]

@@bailey7792 being humane is not tied to a time in history, no excuse.....

[@katemaloney4296]

Kathleen Kennedy had thoroughly investigated the lobotomy procedure and was appalled at what she found. In fact t, she told Joe Sr, "No, Daddy. This is not what we want for our Rosie." I am sure Kick had an inkling as to what her father had done and that was the catalyst to her staying behind and marrying Protestant Marquis William Cavendish. I also think Rosemary helped Kick find that rebellious side--that unfortunately led to her death a couple of years later. I do know that when Rose found out what had occurred to her beloved daughter (Rosemary was actually Rose Marie Jr, being named after her mother) she unleashed hell on Joe and refused to sleep with him ever again. Her hate and disdain for Joe went so deep that, despite being in the same room while Joe was having a stroke, she went out and played a few holes of golf--waiting two hours to call for help. The stroke was so severe that Joe lost the ability to move freely and communicate normal speech. It is said that she took wicked delight in tending to her invalid husband. She made him suffer the way her namesake and the family had because of his narcissism. I like to think there is a special place in Hell for Joe Kennedy Sr.

[@user-yd4nk4lm6s]

That is all untrue. You ought to read Kate Larson's book on Rosemary. Her mother denied knowledge of the lobotomy years later. She did, however, send Rosemary away to various schools without informing them of her disability. One school has documented that Rosemary was dropped off with an understanding that she would support teachers! They found that she was not mentally her age and unable to keep up. Her mother refused their calls. She dumped her there and travelled from spa to spa in the meantime. JFK even called his mother a terrible person and she included this in her own book. She was evil. She definitely knew but felt great shame in later years.

[@fidelnenas8390]

@@user-yd4nk4lm6s all the schools that she attended were before she had the lobotomy. Her father had the procedure done when she was in her early twenties after the family returned to the United States from Joe completing his Ambassadorship to the Court of St James in England. After the Lobotomy Joe, found a catholic parish where he had a little house built for his daughter at St. Colette and had nuns take care of her until the day she died

[@user-yd4nk4lm6s]

@@fidelnenas8390 Yes, I'd hope that people would be able to infer that given the teachers finding out gradually that Rosemary was not her mental age.

[@summersojourner]

There most certainly is a special place in hell for that man.

[@angelacarleton9575]

I'm glad to know one Kennedy did speak up! I am appalled by this and stupid Rose didn't have the common sense to say "no!" I will continue to give birth and say. "don't tell me something against the law of what is right." I had just come out of the operation for a ruptured ovary and when the doctor spoke to me I got nervous by what he saw were my insides were beautiful? I could just see that SOB telling me to remove something from inside that my dear people is what he said next that chilled me to the bone. He tried to call me to ask me two stupid questions first how old I was and second if I was married? He couldn't get in touch with me for about a week since I spent one week recuperating at my mother's place. I got the message to call back and he ask those questions which he suggested I have a hysterectomy? I said, to him I may be 30 years old and single but I planned to get married and have children- then I hung up the phone! I spoke to another doctor who said I would not suggest such "SURGERY" and said there was not the reason for it. Luckily I went by my gut instincts or that I would not be able to have the family I wanted all along. Be ever careful what surgeons or doctors tell you get a 2nd opinion. Never accept what they say because they are so eager to cut you open and in my "gut instinct" he was very eager to do his worse without any true reasons at all.

[@rare1walking]

I have a sister who was given a chemical lobotomy to silence and discredit her for telling a Policeman who called the family home that yes, sexual abuse was indeed going on there. My sister Lisa is very intelligent, served in the military and has had 2 children. She has Aspbergers, and was driven to the local Utah hospital and drugged in a Psych ward. My Mother and youngest sister drove her there. She is now like a vegetable in an institution. I can't understand her, as she has no teeth. She can write, as I found out when I visited her. Several Utah doctors were involved. The Mgr. of the current Care Center didn't seem to care about her history. I doubt law Enforcement would either, based on past experiences. My Mother is now deceased. It has been a heartache for years. My sister stayed in that State, as her two children live there. The attitudes of my siblings have been appalling.

[@TannaBerensen-Anson]

I'm so sorry to hear that. I can't believe that was still legal. Don't give up trying to get her justice. Bringing these things to light is very important to spark change.

[@shelley1004]

Did they give her a certain prescription that did it? On purpose or. I’m sorry to hear about this well people Still get commited for minor infractions and gaslighting families.

[@susanb2015]

A country that steals and sells its babies and children wouldn't care.

[@AA-ct7cb]

There might be more to this, she wasn’t able to talk afterward,

[@sarahb4745]

The generation curse breaker. As soon as they speak against the abuse, they all show their true faces. Demons.

[@themoreyouknow3523]

What they did to her was the very definition of inhumane it makes my blood boil just thinking about it.

[@emw5]

$FREEROSEMARY

[@kimmycasts2811]

I feel you

[@genenewallace6868]

That's why his family was cursed

[@sbh2888]

I didn’t know about the loss of oxygen at birth. I had just heard that she was flirty and promiscuous which was a huge no-no at the time. For women that is. Joe had his mistresses at his house, and no disrespect, but we all know what JFK and Robert were like too. No lobotomies for them however…

[@farrellmcnulty909]

@@sbh2888 I remember this family photo in which Rosemary struck a glamor pose. She knew she was beautiful, vivacious,and that she could possibly use it to her advantage. I see later photos of the Kennedy women and imagine her with them. The front cover of a book called "The Kennedy Women" showed all the sisters sitting in a row striking the same pose for the camera, but Jackie was the only one who posed differently. Imagine Rosemary being able to pose for that photo. She would have wiped Jackie clear out of the way.

[@margaretandrade8367]

She was the most beautiful daughter amongst her sisters.

[@ericaeidummckellips7725]

Amen

[@MS-lq2oq]

She really was.

[@merrymerryquitecontrary136]

Literally

[@prettypoppin_552]

She sure was.

[@veronicamoss2597]

That was my first thought.. She's Stunning! Such Beauty shinning through. God Bless her soul🙏❤️

[@racheldeselms2515]

I heard she wasn't really even handicapped, she just couldn't fit the Kennedy mold. She wasn't an A student and was something of a free spirit I guess.

[@lob1523]

Yea I mean even tho it’s photos but it seemed like she wasn’t that bad off before the lobotomy. Such a horrible thing they did to her.

[@stacyharris4824]

Rachel, I am older , and a long time ago I saw a long documentary on how there was never anything wrong with ROSE. Her father felt that she was rebellious and had a lobotomy done. Her father Joe was actually an evil man and made all his money as a boot legger. Gloria Swanson was his life long mistress and he convinced her to allow him to invest her life savings. He promptly stole all of it. But what he did to Rosemary was down right evil ; all because he felt he couldn't control her.

[@mikkey246]

Wtf, that is scary asf

[@susannaCdonovan23]

Not entirely true. She was epileptic. She had a slowness, but unless you read it from Rose I wouldn't believe the drivel

[@WholeHeartily]

Yeahhhh… sounds more like she just may have been on the spectrum

[@ladygrey4113]

It’s lovely that her siblings once they realized what happened to Rosemary they worked hard to make sure what happened to their beloved sister wouldn’t happen to someone else

[@xpxnchyx]

Disgusting what was done to her, but the fact that her siblings stuck by her after what her father did to her is really heartwarming. I can’t imagine how horrifying it was for her family to see what happened to her, let alone how traumatizing it must have been for Rosemary

[@pb4ugo19]

I mean they worshipped their father. & judging by Ted Kennedys book, they didn't blame him at all for what happened to Rosemary.

[@basbleupeaunoire]

@@pb4ugo19 Children tend to be forgiving to their parents (and vice versa). The Kennedy kids could be angry and saddened by what their father did to Rose and still admire him. Plus, I don't think anyone expects the Kennedy kids to air the hard feelings they have about their father.

[@pb4ugo19]

@@basbleupeaunoire you could be right, but idk aside from Eunice (& later on Ted), it didn't seem that any of them really cared much. Even when it was revealed, Bobby & Jfk didn't make much of an effort with her. I appreciate the Kennedy accomplishments for this country, but I get the sense that that family was very cold & f**ked up behind closed doors.

[@marylougeorge9890]

What gets me is they had All the money to have Full-time care for her. She didn't Have to leave home!

[@basbleupeaunoire]

​@@marylougeorge9890 The father was ashamed of her and probably himself, too.

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

Her father thought power, influence, and reputation were more important than his daughter. What a horrible human.

[@ivanniapicado5578]

You bet!

[@Napolean45]

Very sadistic father.

[@okaymea]

This is so sad, she could've thrived had they allowed her to live in London. I feel so bad for her. She was so beautiful

[@rucianapollard4057]

Rosemary had to leave London, because of WW2, her parents allowed her to stay there as long as it was safe. This is why Rosemary and her dad were the last of the family to leave London before the threat of war mounted.

[@choughed3072]

@@rucianapollard4057 well she probably would of been ok if daddy Kennedy didn't say Britain was going to lose the war because he sympathised with the Nazis.

[@emapheonix]

I think it was within their best interests to leave her there because her father wouldn't have to deal with her that way

[@janisyoung9682]

Such a beautiful young lady! It was terrible to do that to her. It was also terrible for him not to discuss the operation with her mother. He really was a monster!!!

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

He didn't even tell her daughter what he was going to do to her. I don't believe in hell, but if there is one, I sure hope he's burning there!

[@brendabailey4319]

Who the hell pushes a baby back in when it's being born ! It's just stupid

[@nancyhopple8138]

Don't you wonder what type of medical personnel would do this ? See what money can do for you if you are evil at heart.

[@brendabailey4319]

@@nancyhopple8138 Yes I hear you There is much evil in the world 😢

[@fania_mania]

Sadly It’s still done…

[@joywebster2678]

@@nancyhopple8138 medical personnel? They did it to wait for the doctor. Likely told to stop by a hospital worker, midwife or student doctor. Back then the one bigwig hospital doctor had prestige and power. He was one and the nuns in a catholic hospital ran the wards.

[@noradiaz7752]

Only crazy evil person w.no heart women's back in days had.no say has to do what husband said.

[@yaqbulyakkerbat4190]

The operation didn't go "tragically wrong". There was never any good that could come of it! The fact people were psychotic enough to think ramming a rail spike into a person's skull was a good idea a mere 40 years ago is mortifying. It was just Trepanning with a different label. Possibly worse!

[@gtthepesprofessor1986]

Exactly. A medieval way of torture if you ask me!

[@awg7068]

It went tragically right They were no doubt ordered to press on until she lost the ability to speak. This way, she couldn’t say anything embarrassing that Joe would find confronting about his ‘perfect genes’.

[@joncampos5551]

Trepanning?

[@CircleThinker]

@@joncampos5551 Drilling a hole into the skull to relieve pressure on the brain - one of the earliest known instances of surgery (they have found ancient skulls with trepanning holes that have started closing over, meaning that the person survived the procedure). It's still done today in extreme cases of brain swelling.

[@peekiethedogpeekie1080]

No drilling into the skull... the procedure was done through the eye socket while the patient was awake?

[@_squarecube]

she was only 23? she was so beautiful and could have had a wonderful life if they just let her stay the way she was. such a tragedy for that young woman.

[@angeliquedevosd416]

It's the whole thing. The Kennedy' tragedy. They all died from killed or accidents with many questions unanswered. Was all these tragic deaths caused by KARMA?

[@Hlirving15]

I'm beginning to believe it's karma.

[@tessajones9393]

@@angeliquedevosd416 no, not karma. They just take risks and do whatever they want because of who they are. Mass egos

[@karinasarah_24]

I'm beginning to think the father was responsible for all their tragic deaths.

[@katesun2957]

What a monster father, who also encourged his sons to seduce as many women as possible, to show their manliness.

[@renpilak6048]

It is so heartwarming that her siblings loved her dearly despite of her father’s cruelty!

[@cristynlane6507]

She saved many disabled people from suffering the same fate. God bless her soul.

[@cristynlane6507]

@Opal Allen So awful, I am so sorry to anyone who would be given that operation.

[@tricksfollies9549]

As someone who grew up with ADHD, I’m very thankful I grew up in a time where people were more understanding towards these things.

[@boymeetworlf3433]

SAME

[@ReiverGrad14]

Amen

[@christophg.6339]

I think I would ended up with the military because of ADHD. A short lived life, but at least not one as the family disappointment.

[@FiveOClockTea]

Same. Though I still had some teachers who told my parents ADHD was made up...

[@oooh19]

many people still aren't as accepting or understanding as they think! society is still racist, sexist, etc

[@opaulamorgan4265]

What a beautiful girl she was, the most beautiful of all the Kennedy women. Heartbreaking what was done to her.

[@clv4556]

The operation was horrifying she was tough to get that far along! Joseph Sr was a monster sand I blame the mother too it was not her first pregnancy. What a trip

[@Undefinedde]

What was the lobotomy like

[@DoeBoy999]

One thing I find really distasteful is how a bunch of grown adults that were her brothers and sisters never said 'to hell with fathers wishes'. How can you not see one of your brothers/sisters for decades because pops sent her away somewhere? I find that terribly bizarre and there must be something that is being left unsaid about the whole thing.

[@NebulaBull]

The siblings were so busy growing into adulthood and trying to appease their father, not to mention the growing tension with Germany, The siblings did try for 10yrs to find out what happened and wanted to see her and though it took ten plus years they found every detail and told the true story and did so much till this day for mental and physical disabilities

[@angelsgranny]

There's definitely more to it. Much more.

[@julierobinson3633]

I thought that, but what you have to remember is that they were his kids, he had worked on their minds since they were born. In some ways it's like abused wives, they mentally cannot stand up to their husbands. He had clearly terrorised and manipulated his children all their lives, he obviously encouraged their competitiveness by withholding his approval and affection unless they pleased him. He GROOMED them to never go against his wishes. And don't forget they were a very religious family, the Catholic church will have been drumming 'honour thy father and mother' into them since early childhood too...

[@eldupont3095]

It's not like they knew where she was; I can't imagine I'd have been able to find her if I was in their shoes

[@libertyann439]

He kept it from them. Remember, most of them were kids themselves.

[@Violetbunnyfish]

The lobotomy also made her lose control over her bowels permanently. It was a ridiculously cruel thing to do to anyone.

[@lighthouselaura4324]

It is cruel; but at the time, the lobotomy was new technology/treatment. He trusted his doctors & they thought it might "cure" her. It was like the blindly medication of children for adhd- when in reality they are normal kids. That just needed structure, balanced diet & attention. Plus doping kids from k5 on & not giving them life skills has consequences we have yet to discover.

[@stacyrussell460]

@@lighthouselaura4324 agreed. My nephew was one of those labeled "ADHD & difficult to teach" early on in school. Yes, he had learning difficulties. Doctors just bounced him from one medication cocktail to another. He has a high school diploma, but can barely read or write. No Child Left Behind for him meant he was just pushed thru the school system so they wouldn't have to deal with him anymore. Sad. He's now an adult, married with two young children. He works minimum wage jobs & barely scrapes by, but he's doing his best. My sister raised him primarily by herself bc his father couldn't be bothered 99% of the time (he didn't want to deal with a son who wasn't perfect). My sister had no idea at the time what she was agreeing to with all those different medications. She truly believed doctors were helping her boy. Instead they made an already difficult situation worse.

[@PrSndreLrsn]

@@lighthouselaura4324 and may he burn forever in hell what a swine of a father!

[@basbleupeaunoire]

@@lighthouselaura4324 I get your larger point, that many people were convinced that it was effective, but prescriptions are not the same as poking around in someone's brain with a sharp object. Joe Sr. hid the planned procedure for a reason.

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

😔

[@sandrad7633]

I have an intellectually disabled 23 year old, 6 foot 3 son who functions at the level of a three year old. He is an absolute joy. This story is absolutely stomach churning. However, the Special Olympics are fabulous and my son loves attending it.

[@MickeyMallone.]

I love filling out forms for the Special Olympics for our patients; they've done so much to make the world see that cognitive disabilities don't mean lack of enjoyment in things!

[@sherrywalton4848]

God Bless You n your son. Sandra.

[@Leemu786]

Sandra I transport Special needs children to Specialized school. Most of them are non verbal. I treat them like I treat my children. I talk and sing to them. You can see their expressions and know they are engaged. I think only lucky people are blessed with these children.

[@canailleism]

❤❤❤

[@SoaringTrumpet]

❤❤❤

[@fabiwilliams4644]

Geez imagine making a baby suffer like that, forcing her not to be born for no logical reason, causing her brain damage & then putting her through such a dangerous operation. They have a lot to answer for

[@user-yd4nk4lm6s]

They didn't know any better. Rose was instructed to do this by the nurse. The doctor is at fault because he wanted to be there to deliver for profit. Read Larson's book on Rosemary. These were different times with little understanding.

[@davidhutchinson7888]

They won't answer for shit because they're last name is Kennedy

[@Imissyoulou]

@@user-yd4nk4lm6s I read the book, however, a lot of people on this site hasn't. That is why their comments are so far off.

[@honestlyyours1069]

I know from my friend's experience that if you have a severe disability and grow up in a family where one parent sets high standards for the children, it's very frustrating if you can't achieve those standards. Rosemary must have been quite upset and frustrated at not being able to do the same kinds of things as her siblings. That poor woman never had a chance, especially after her lobotomy.

[@prossiearinaitwe4768]

He caused the curse to his own family by destroying ReseMary’s Kennedy life.

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

The doctors that botched it should have been charged for neglectful practice and had their MD's taken from them. The whole incident just boils my blood! 😡

[@jenalba1791]

What they did to her is the start of the Kennedy's Curse

[@paperluvxhearts8510]

Kennedy curse is simply the father karma. Someone is gonna burn in hell.

[@sarahferguson0]

Omg, your absolutely right. 💔

[@Hortonheardahoe]

Your parents evils should not rest on your shoulders.

[@noelinerenwick5347]

I think so too

[@bronxcouture]

@@Hortonheardahoe but they do just read the Bible

[@blueviolets52]

I don't think her parents were worried about her roaming the streets bc they were concerned for her safety...I think they were embarrassed that she was wandering around in public. Such a sad story, I hope she found some peace.

[@Celisar1]

The father was afraid she would become sexually active, maybe get pregnant, and bring shame to the family name. That’s why he crippled her.

[@odapunkt]

Absolutely

[@oldcollegecoed]

The real tragedy was Rosemary wasn’t severely mentally handicapped. Today, she would be considered to be a slow learner and placed in special education classes. But compared to the rest of the children who were raised in a very competitive environment which demanded perfection, her very slight handicap appeared much worse. Even then, despite not having any special education, she was a perfect, well-behaved child who tried very hard to make her parents proud. Of course, once she hit her teens and realized her brothers and sisters were allowed to do a lot more than she was, she reacted like any teenager would, and THAT was unacceptable. Instead of blaming her outbursts on puberty and typical teenage anger, her father insisted her mental faculties were failing and she was only going to get worse. Plus, he was a avid supporter of eugenics and Hitler’s plan to eliminate “useless eaters:” the mentally & physically disabled, alcoholics, chronically unemployed, drug addicts, homosexuals, etc. So despite her glowing report cards from her private schools, he arranged for the lobotomy, which not only failed to improve her handicap, it made it far worse. A beautiful, articulate, loving, sweet young woman became a complete invalid with the mental capacity of a 2 yr old! Once it was apparent Rosemary was permanently damaged, Joe lied to everyone about her absence, and none of Rosemary’s siblings were allowed to see her for decades….JFK didn’t see her until 1958 & was horrified by what she’d been reduced to. Her mother waited 20 years to see her and Rosemary “recoiled” upon recognizing her! Joseph Kennedy destroyed his adoring daughter for one reason, and that was to protect himself and his family from being viewed as having weak genes! Despicable!

[@soniamorales-mills7463]

Karma

[@irenehartlmayr8369]

CRIMINAL !

[@emilyheyokaevans]

Thank you so much for this lovely tribute to Miss Rosemary. Such a shame how her father mistreated her for the sake of his perfectionist goals. Im glad that the rest of her family saw the worth in her and cared for her ❤️ 💕 💓 Rest in peace Rosemary ❤❤❤

[@OldRaver]

Apart from my horror hearing of a nurse forcing a baby back into the birth canal by pushing on it’s head for two hours😱🤬... just IMAGINE the AGONY for the mother to endure that? Any woman who has given birth naturally can tell you how painful that would be! Good Lord it was on 1918, you’d think they’d have understood about oxygen depravation by then?? Obviously not. That poor poor girl. Her father should have left her in England where she could have lived a happy life. 💔

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

💔💔💔

[@Maki-00]

Yeah, he could have just left her there to thrive since he didn’t seem to really give a shit about her anyway.

[@sophiemarie7125]

All women give birth naturally

[@Andy.G8]

@@sophiemarie7125 What the hell is your point?

[@veravaladez1525]

Rose Kennedy shouldn't have listened to the nurse and she should have pushed down to have the baby!!

[@JmadiRN]

This is simply gut wrenching. It didn’t have to be this way, which is why it was so tragic !

[@sonnybarthlow982]

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[@proudatheist2042]

I read a biography about Rosemary Kennedy several years ago. It was devastatingly heartbreaking. I cried while reading it. It was interesting that the author states that Rosemary's difficulties inspired her siblings and their children to use their power to create positive changes in society.

[@mariciamariani2468]

Holding that baby inside her Mother, definitely caused Rosemary’s condition. Poor woman

[@MissLippy-fy6bj]

What condition? She didn't have one.

[@tinalouisestagg]

“Let me win - but if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt.” - the Special Olympics athletes’ oath, written by Eunice Kennedy Shriver in 1968. Special Olympics events are when you see the very best of true sportsmanship, when a runner will stop to help their fallen competitor get to their feet and run on. It’s seriously good stuff that also involves a lot of free hugs.

[@mirandaeberts7800]

Hò

[@cshell2222]

I was a coach for Special Olympics summer and winter games for a few years and it was an amazing experience! I learned so much from them and got So much love!

[@verdaschultz2446]

I was in special Olympics for track softball throwing swimming 25 freestyle and diving I had a lot of fun and special Olympics and it's from the Kennedy foundation

[@kristinebailey6554]

One detail you leave out, is that midwives and nurses at that time were practically forced to delay a birth until an MD arrived, as the MD earned 125.00 on average for a delivery. If the baby arrived before the MD he got almost nothing in pay.

[@Sunflower-sh6ys]

I was looking for a comment like yours, because I heard about this payment arrangement too. Thanks for mentioning it.

[@cindynewcomb7139]

Nursing was definitely not the same way back then!

[@mellisafrancis8783]

Whatever who cares of about the MD it's about the baby smg

[@gemoftheocean]

Laughably WRONG. I was born in 1956, and delivered by a doctor. Delivery charge. $10 dollars. The entire bill for everything, including 4 days in the hospital was, $75. And some odd cents. No way in hades was a home delivery well over $100 in 1918.

[@elainaveasey5831]

@@gemoftheocean for one of the most wealthy and influential political families??? Even though they weren’t as famous yet, they were still very wealthy in their area. I’m sure that the Kardashian babies cost far more than another birth in the exact same hospital on the exact same day because they pay for the celebrity treatment. Perhaps the Kennedys did the same.

[@missBehavin22]

I learned about her some years ago. Tragic . She played a pivotal role in the creation of the ADA. The only good that came from her sad story . Her family didnt deserve her , such a spirit . 💗

[@jessicagore6199]

Your words in the ears of God!

[@Dina-zh3fw]

Agreed. Her family did NOT deserve her.

[@MsSwitchblade13]

Well her father didn't deserve her. He seems to have ruled the family including the mother. How else would be be okay in not consulting her about the lobotomy? He didn't care for what she thought. To him the wife was prob just a barer of children for him to use.

[@dianapeterson3404]

Her family LOVED her! Her DAD was the monster

[@elizabetholiviaclark]

I tend to think of Justin Dart as having served as the pivotal role in the passage of the ADA. I'm not inclined to dismiss Rosemary's entire family as though undeserving of her, either.

[@lynette50]

Such a sad story. I'd always read that Joseph Kennedy was a tyrannical individual but I didn't realise just how much. Here in Scotland, I never even knew Rosemary existed. Thank you for this video. I am glad someone gave this poor woman the time and effort to have her story be heard

[@AS-pn5zl]

Her dad never saw her again because he was guilty. How could he look her in the face.

[@teresarivasugaz2313]

I think he didn't feel any guilt, it was more of his inflated ego being hurt. He wouldn't accept his supposed "brilliance" failed. He wouldn't accept he was wrong. If there's in fact an afterlife, I'd like to think he'll be forever seething because nowadays people remember him for being a n4zi and for what he did to his wonderful daughter. "Perfect family"? Hell naw.

[@lelrica6883]

@@teresarivasugaz2313 that reminds me, the nazis did that to disabled Germans. If you weren’t their walking talking image of perfection in nazi Germany, you were killed or hidden too.

[@YAH-1]

@@teresarivasugaz2313 It is an afterlife go sho, and Joe is in Hell 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@benschlechter]

@@teresarivasugaz2313 Ironically, Joe died the same year that youngest son, Ted, drove his car off the bridge at Chappaquiddick, leaving a blond campaign worker to drown.

[@jodydunlap6374]

Joe Kennedy didn’t feel guilt

[@Yolduranduran]

California passes The Lanternman Act due to the Kennedys. This act ensures that developmentally disabled people receive services that allow them to live as independently as possible and ensure that their rights are respected.

[@Yolduranduran]

@Rob Roy yes you are right. We struggle a lot with ridiculous legislation. But again we also offer many services to the needy. My mother was able to receive a liver transplant and the best care in the country due to this. California is very complex.

[@marienewton164]

@Rob Roy je

[@hellsbelle7533]

My youngest son was early with walking but crawled “late”. He also started speaking “late” as well. He definitely wasn’t like any of the other kids my “friends” had, as we all had kids around the same time. I knew he was perfectly fine despite people saying he wasn’t. He is almost grown now and is brilliant and also amazing in artistic ways. He is much more advanced than his peer group and tends to relate more with adults. He is amazing! I understand that some children may have disabilities. However, how dare any parent assume their child is not capable before they are old enough to really understand what is going on inside their child. I NEVER gave up or accepted what I knew was not true. I knew my son so well and spent countless hours just being with him and getting to know who he is as a PERSON. This is just awful and heartbreaking.

[@okaymea]

I'm so glad your son is doing well

[@bellerain381]

Your son sounds like an amazing person! He is so lucky to have you as a parent!

[@MsSwitchblade13]

You're the definition of a great mother! My cousin and I grew up together and he's autistic. Mind you this was in late 80s when Austism wasn't known much about. He was pretty bad as far as how it affected him up until he was in his teens. He transitioned to regular classes and graduated at age 22 but he did it and he's gifted in other areas. He's sincerely kind, caring and holds down a simple job. How many people can we say that about! I am glad your son is doing great.

[@arrow2589]

as a person with some learning disabilities I just wanted to say that its the parents like you that the world needs more of.

[@musicissmylife0511]

yeah but on the other side those were the old times u wear put away or hidden for simple having anxiety,depression or bipolar and were treated like some kind of monster...ofc today its partly still like this that a child is seen diffrent just because of being 'slower' then others but lets remind ourselfs that this was WAY back when people hated peoole who were 'diffrent' even more then in todays times.Also i'm glad ur child is doing okay❤️...i was the same but now i'm very happt how i turned out 😬😅

[@CourierJackalope]

If a nurse tells you to "hold it", closes your legs, or tries to push your baby back in the birth canal then you need to get the hell out of that chop shop.

[@spike16965]

Exactly

[@clah399]

So glad they rallied around her. Joe Kenedy was a bootlegging Catholic who went to confession on Thursday, took holy communion on Sunday then did what pleased him until the next Thursday of his confession. Many Catholic's do that..... But God knows. I did read that Rose Kennedy was devastated by what had happened to her daughter.

[@benitalovetana8515]

He only love his sons

[@beckydavis1820]

There's a lot of those people out there especially these days.

[@jenniferlaidlaw7017]

@@benitalovetana8515 did he love them? Or was it his own self ambition?

[@benschlechter]

Going to Catholic church doesn't make anyone Christian. Believing in Jesus Christ as savior does. It's a shame that Rose didn't divorce Joe, Sr.

[@jasperjavellana4454]

When I was a child I remembered meeting a very special Nun who was once the governess of the young Rosemary Kennedy. When she was with the Kennedy family, she was known as Alice O’Callahan, but when she became a Maryknoll Sister, she changed her name to Sr. Rose Mary O’Callahan., perhaps because of fond memories with the special Rosemary Kennedy. She was assigned in the Philippines for so many years, and when then Senator Robert Kennedy visited Manila, he made sure to stop by the Maryknoll Convent, and visit their former governess . I’m sure that visit brought so much joy to Sr. Rose Mary and all the Maryknoll sisters. I just wanted to share this memorable experience.

[@cw4608]

“Worried about her disability becoming public knowledge…” That is so sad, she was their precious daughter. Can’t have her around to tarnish the Kennedy name.

[@Sadimal]

Sadly, this was quite common in influential families. Queen Elizabeth II's cousins were hidden away in an asylum in the 1940s. It was even more common in the 1800s when just existing meant a woman could be locked away in an asylum.

[@yadiracamacho499]

For powerful families that relied on alliances through marriage, being seen as having "bad genes" was a devastating. Hiding things that would make difficult for their children to marry into the right families was deemed necessary.

[@Saamla]

Mother not seeing her child for 20 years? What a stone hearted woman she was!!! Even animals don’t abandon their cubs.

[@rachaelwelch]

Well actually animal mother's will abandon their infant. If an infant is weak, small or defective, mothers will instinctively abandon or cull the animal to concentrate their resources on the stronger babies that stand a greater chance of surviving

[@mmgs1148]

What are you talking about? Never heard of shoebills? Birds let their offspring fight and even kill each other. Panda's when they have more than one cub, mistreat one of them which often leads to the death of the cub from starvation. One species throws cub away while facing the predator so the cub gets eaten in expense for the life of a mother. You definetely know nothing about animals.

[@flowrepins6663]

​@@mmgs1148there are animals that do lots of cruel stuff but pp think of animals as disney creatures

[@SmphnyOfBullets]

Sadly many people with disabilities were treated awfully and ignored for centuries, it’s really only until an issue touches the life of a politician that change will come.

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

They still are ignored today.

[@Melissa_M720]

True

[@TheLadyDiazepam]

I read that she was given a lobotomy because Rosemary, due to her cognitive impairments and resulting anger and frustration, became promiscuous. Old Joe couldn't have one of his daughters behaving like a hussy, so he had this horrible procedure forced on her. He himself was quite a womaniser and brought up his sons the same way.

[@veronikabelina3188]

I have read that too. I hate that kind of double standard! He and all of the sons were notoriously cheating on their wives, but the daughters had to be ”pure”. Hypocrites!

[@love_agapi_m3976]

She was cognitively impaired at a 5 th grade level and men should not be having sex with her. It is the men’s fault for taking advantage of her and her father for having her do this unnecessary procedure when he could have done something else. In Rose case it wasn’t to keep her “pure”.

[@vanessaeden8174]

Yes I read that too in a book about the Kennedy's, that she was actually bright but wanted a boyfriend etc. I also read a book I think by Kitty Kelly about Jackie Kennedy who although not blood related was a bitch in real life, especially to her White House Staff. Trouble was and still is, because the USA have no real Royal family, the Kennedy's were treated as royalty and could do no wrong.

[@love_agapi_m3976]

@@vanessaeden8174 Jackie treated ppl horribly. She would not even acknowledge when her son brought home Daryl Hannah. Jackie just stayed in her room. She also had affairs before during and after marriage so she was a hypocrite thinking she was better. I wasn’t born or raised in America so maybe that’s why I don’t buy the BS about the family

[@imeaiwteh7540]

Hi, I don’t quite understand how can cognitive impairments cause someone to become promiscuous, can you please explain? Or anyone else reading this really, I’d appreciate it ☺️

[@debbiepugh2055]

This is so tragic they could of helped their daughter and others instead they hid her away 😢 💔

[@larryyeadeke2953]

Not they, that pos Joe. Although her brothers and sister could have looked into it more. I mean the girl disappeared for years.

[@aj-sz8mu]

@@larryyeadeke2953 it IS they then. They eventually did find out, so pretty sure it could have been much much much earlier. The family collective thought they didnt need her in their life all those decades. And they didnt. All that they regretted was the lobotomy, not sending her away. Thus they're part of the blame.

[@Randomyoutubecommenter]

They had to keep the perfect bloodline image

[@gracie3174]

That’s what Kennedy’s do…they hide their sins….but God knows every one of them.

[@covertLLC]

Yeah they *could've* ... Could + have = could've not could of....

[@BethBurns68]

I've known of Rosemary's story and how tragic her life was...you did such a fine job o detailing the events of her life with compassion.

[@pepsiyummie1]

They stuffed her back when she was being delivered. Hard to believe the medical staff was that dumb! Very sad story.

[@helene4397]

Only because some doctor wasn't there yet...

[@marycarricaburu3683]

They didn't understand a lot of things back then. A lot of people commenting have no idea how medicine was back in those days. I am 87 and I remember a lot of it. It wasn't unheard of at all to delay the birth. I also think what the mother was feeling to have labor 2 hours longer than necessary. I had short labors but I can't imagine having 10 children. But, that is me.

[@breezybest6064]

@@marycarricaburu3683 They don't understand a lot of things now. They're still experimenting on us and don't seem to care if it goes well or not.

[@marycarricaburu3683]

@@breezybest6064 Yep. I have been outright lied to by doctors, and of course misdiagnosed too. Now, they want us to believe them when they keep changing their minds. For example, from what the papers are telling me, they have decided that if you got Moderna vaccine for example, they used to say you had to stay with Moderna. Now they have almost decided that you can get Pfizer. and it will be OK, they think.

[@breezybest6064]

@@marycarricaburu3683 Yet they couldn't possibly have ANY idea since there's been NO time to do any long term testing! It sure doesn't help that we already know Big Pharma is nothing but a giant group of CROOKS!

[@sueellenwardmyers9900]

She was the prettiest of all her sisters. It's sad she wasn't born later when we have so many resources and knowledge of how to deal with these issues so she could lead a full life. I'm grateful to my mother. She had the same issues at my birth. The nurses tried to physically prevent her from giving birth because the doctor had not arrived yet. She fought them tooth and claw and l was born as the doctor was washing his hands. There but for the grace of God.

[@girl1213]

I know a lot of women would fight tooth and nail to allow their babies to be born with or without the doctor simply because of the fear for the child would die in the birth canal. I know if the nurse was physically keeping my baby from being born, the gloves will come off and she'd be kicked right in the face, and I'd be screaming accusations of her wanting to kill the baby or something. It's happened. Caroline Malatesta can attest to it.

[@kmarch6630]

Yes, I've always read that Joe was a cold hearted gangster and it was his actions that caused the Kennedy curse.

[@judibiggerstaff8054]

That's silly. There are far worse men whose families suffer no curse.

[@kayscarpetta5502]

@@judibiggerstaff8054 Although he was a gigantic @$$hole, so who knows? Read his biography.

[@missylane7382]

I heard the same story of Joe. It's ironic how members of his family have died 😔 so tragically. Karma is a real thing .

[@mel_zzz_]

@@judibiggerstaff8054 We might don't know all the stories...maybe that's why there are more we can imagine.

[@LathropLdST]

Nah. The curse preceded him. He made something that was bad, already worse.

[@nikkiej.5875]

It's so sad to see that the father was embarrassed of her because she was different than her siblings. Enough to hide her in a mental hospital and undergo a controversial procedure without the family knowing. It's so messed up and I felt so bad for her. I like that after their father's passing, they didn't hesitate to see her. They didn't care because she was still their sister and family.

[@donnaburgar58]

Rosemary's so called "father" Joseph Kennedy, was the living definition of "monster". Donna Burglar Chilliwack , B. C. Canada

[@KAT-KIT]

Rosemary's story breaks my heart. I worked with adults who had developmental disabilities when I was in college and loved it. Later in life, my third child would, like Rosemary, experience a birth injury that would result in a much more severe disability than she had. My son is not able to walk or talk and he has Lennox-Gastaut epilepsy. We however benefit from decades of advocacy that may never have happened if not for beautiful Rosemary and her siblings who defied their father. Timothy and his family are grateful.

[@hebrews212]

Amen. Through suffering and crucifixion of Son of God Jesus, salvation has come. Isaiah 53⭐️

[@Leemu786]

IMO: Only the lucky parents are blessed with Special needs children.

[@jeanpalumbo3411]

@@Leemu786 you are sick tell that to any parent who has a disabled child and not enough money to take care of it and when the parents dies what happens to the child that's their greatest fear you're sick

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

​@@jeanpalumbo3411 Society is sick for failing these disabled children

[@leilanilea]

🌞❤️💕

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

She was breath-takingly beautiful with a smile so bright she could light up an entire room. A beautiful light that a monster snuffed out. A monster called "Daddy".

[@TheCleaner76]

Daddy dearest

[@basbleupeaunoire]

It's a good-looking group of kids, but she really stands out as gorgeous.

[@honestlyyours1069]

I was very impressed with how well done this video was and how well it was narrated. What I liked best was that it got straight to the point and avoided being long-winded.

[@457B1B1]

Such a heartbreaking story, and to think about the countless people who’s undocumented lives were also derailed cause of this “procedure”. I had never heard of this story until today, thankful I was brought up where at least a handful of doctors know there’s not a quick fix to everything and can be held accountable for the most part

[@gentillydanny]

The photo at 12:19 is the only one where she's at ease, looking at the camera, and obviously enjoying herself. Isn't it strange that she was left with her father while the rest came home? After all, a Montessori school could've been arranged in the states. When she came back there was a notable difference in her behavior; she was moody, irritable, wandered the streets, so she was immediately sent to the sanitorium and her father ordered the lobotomy done, telling no one, including his wife. What happened to that girl in London?

[@beboevola6984]

On point! I agree.

[@angelinalozada189]

Good Question.

[@someoneofimportance6459]

That's a good question, I guess we'll never know. Something to think about though, I really feel horrible the poor girl

[@victoriaalbastra6325]

She may have been raped. Maybe by her father. Maybe by someone else.

[@schmittyconstanz]

it had to have been emotionally crushing for poor Rose to go from a welcoming ,accepting environment at Montessori to being around a cold ,distant father who had no love for her ,finding her to be a liability to family name .A dog,a small child knows when a parent is hostile towards them.with no family to comfort her in her loneliness I believe she started acting out.Her father was a cold hearted man.

[@theycallmethebreeze144]

Thank you for shedding light on the positives that came from her tragedy. I never realized how much the Kennedy sibling did to use their sister’s plight as a catalyst to make so many changes for people with disabilities. As awful as her experiences were, I am grateful for the current knowledge and supports we have when it comes to disabled individuals. I worked as an employment consultant for people with disabilities for years, and I never realized that much of our programming probably has roots in the Kennedys’ work. Great video!

[@michellek1139]

Please cover Hattie McDaniel! She was the only Oscar-winner from Gone With the Wind who wasn’t interviewed. And despite being the first ever black performer on radio (CBS), the first female executive producer (1914), and having TWO stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame ... there isn’t a single recorded interview of this trailblazing legend

[@rodneystanger1651]

Diversity hire of that time period. She was mixed, anyway.

[@mzartdesigns]

@@rodneystanger1651 mixed where?? You must have her confused with another actress. Both her parents were formerly enslaved and both black, not mixed. And did you really think white society gave a damn about “quotas” during Jim Crowe? You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about.

[@emilinebelle7811]

Lol!!

[@basbleupeaunoire]

@@mzartdesigns That person thinks they're being funny.

[@angelavenable7308]

Hattie McDaniel was AWESOME in GWTW! They didn’t even allow her at the premiere! She went on to win the Oscar.

[@aimeeseattle]

I can’t believe what her father did to her, even didn’t tell the mother or Rosemary. I had to stop the vid at 9:12 because I broke down in tears. My 2 of 4 sons have autism, my youngest more severe. I’m heartbroken from Rosemary’s story. 🙁

[@justineharper3346]

This is such a tragic story. I didn’t know that she had issues from being stuck in the birth canal. The same thing happened to my grandma in the 60s. She was having my mom and her twin, and they told her to cross her legs and wait for the doctor, which took hours. My mom luckily was ok, but her twin was stuck in the birth canal and was still born.

[@gabbylauren]

How absolutely heartbreaking not only for your mum, but for your grandparents as well 😢 So glad to hear your mum made it though

[@sunfire5790]

It happened to a school mate of mine (her eldest sister) and it was the oxygen deprivation that did it and they sued the hospital and won

[@kathryncarter6143]

I can't imagine being in labor & being expected to cross my legs

[@Daniellasanche]

Wow. They killed the child.

[@lesliegrossman916]

sorry for this loss. yes even in the sixties . alot of things just were not ... done right. i nearly died due to a breach birth that nobody even cared to find out till i was in a hospital . over twenty hours of pain beyond belief and it was frank my son had not turned. and we both nearly died as my doctor was off on a ski trip. thanks be to God for dr. manskie who came in and manully saved our lives. my son is fifty now. but mental health too was just really bad in the sixties too. sad things so happen far too much I think.

[@FroggysMama]

Joseph Kennedy Sr. Was such a monster. He couldn’t admit that his child was not perfect. Nobody’s child is perfect. What he did to her, I hope God will make him atone for his sins.

[@pamelaarlethiaalexander9912]

Seems like as he lived God made him see and he lost a lot. He own sons.. God don’t make no mistakes. All lives matter!!!!!

[@TruthXisXChaos]

She was absolutely stunning. This is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard.

[@khfan4life365]

I’m glad that her siblings immediately went to her after their father died and involved her in the family again.

[@mrs.8816]

My mom was born in the same way. My grandmother's thighs were forced closed. My mother had a learning disability due to it. She did well with being a wife and mother just had issues with learning things. Joe Kennedy was a disgusting man. My mother's from cape cod and myself and we know all the stories. Thank goodness he raised kind children. In the end they came through for Rosemary.

[@kozumekenma4449]

Cape cod..brought back memories from banana fish 😕

[@chernandez3915]

@@kozumekenma4449 Ayo? 🤨

[@kozumekenma4449]

@@chernandez3915 😁

[@MK68-419]

I doubt he "raised" them.

[@maryanngreatbatch931]

Can't believe the family didn't see her for years. Especially Rose Kennedy. They found her easily enough when the old man died.

[@coll4455]

This reminds me of the story of my grandmothers sister. She had seizures and because of this was sent to a home. She wrote the saddest letters to my grandmom wanting to come home and she died at young age. I can’t even imagine how hard it mush have been for her

[@jennyrose9454]

A friend of mine is 75, as a child she was sent to a "convalescent home" for t.b. patients which was like a kids prison. They had to stay in bed, not play, get shots etc. Only her Aunt was allowed to visit once in a year and a half. She witnessed a little girl die right in front of her while asking for help, and told " stop crying" about it . Worst part is she didn't have t.b. had a very slow growing lung cancer so gained nothing! She had part of her lung removed and was fine. She was traumatized and still is. Horrible.

[@joanndelise4834]

How awful what was done to Rosemary. Her father was a terrible person. I'm glad her family was able to see her later in life. They loved her.

[@sheilajohnson6478]

Poor girl would’ve had a happier life if she were born in a normal unpopular family. My daughter is slow, with learning and speech disabilities, but we never treat her any different. We’ve never told her she’s any different than anyone else. She keeps me straight, as she doesn’t forget anything and reminds me. I love her so much.❤️

[@yeseniaeguia256]

Impaired People like such do end up as the most loving of all human beings because of the pain they experienced. I being abit slow myself probably due to my slight MS idk. Just fears of learning. I miss it. Learning sharp Due to a mindful mental health experience. Afraid if ill go funny in the head again.

[@emilylovell5976]

Please don’t uses to word slow especially when referring to your own child

[@annodomini7250]

@@emilylovell5976 and what word would you use?

[@catherinethomas2906]

💜🌹❤️🥰🙏🙌👏👏👏

[@gabbylauren]

I cannot imagine the fear she must've endured her entire life leading up to and especially during the lobotomy not to mention all the others that this would've happened to 💔 I still remember last year when my psychiatrist suggested I do ECT I was absolutely terrified, I was even terrified of trying TMS first. Honestly I'm grateful for modern medicine and that I was given a choice compared to all these innocent people who weren't given a choice and subjected to these terrifying and painful "treatments". I'm so happy to see that her mum and siblings not only reunited with her after 20 years, but also learned the truth of what her father allowed to happen to her and she was able to live the rest of her life knowing she was loved and that her family would make sure proper research, programs and camps were established

[@mandywheeler4186]

Same. Almost did ECT about 10 years ago. Thank GOD I made the decision to try different meds and therapies. Poor Rose.

[@gabbylauren]

@@mandywheeler4186 I hope you're doing better now? My psychiatrist wants me to do another course of ECT but because I'm epileptic that combined with having ECT has caused memory loss so I have to be admitted back in to the clinic and have medications changed and added

[@justcallmenikki9532]

I agree! It’s a horrifying and evil procedure that only a monster would perform on another human! Her father is a beast to force this on his daughter! Her only problem is she was born into a wealthy family!! It’s horrifying that they would cut into anyone’s brain and awake while they performed this!! I want to vomit thinking how they destroyed this darling girl!! He should have been thrown into prison for this travesty! The sick power of money!!

[@JoMarieM]

In a family that has suffered a larger than usual share of tragedies, Rosemary's story had to be probably the saddest one of all. She was a bright, energetic and seemingly kind-hearted young woman who seemed to have the deck stacked against her right from the start. The nurse was qualified to deliver the baby, but for whatever reason, she didn't want to and preferred to wait for the doctor to arrive, which resulted in some tragic consequences for Rosemary. While Rosemary's siblings did treat her kindly and tried to involve her in numerous activities, and her mother was decent toward her, her father was a total jerk. He had an image that he wanted to project on the American public, and he had the idea that his kids were going to be the perfect kids, as much as possible, and poor Rosemary didn't fit that image. When the family had to leave England and Rosemary lost her support system, why on earth couldn't her parents have found a similar type of school in the States that she could go to, instead of just leaving her to her own devices, for the most part, and allowing her to become more and more frustrated and lash out emotionally? Apparently, there was no such thing as therapy back then, which probably could have greatly helped Rosemary, and the lobotomy appeared to be a "quick fix" to her father, to curb Rosemary's rebellion and ensure her safety by making her easier to control. It's still shocking that any father would make such a life altering-decision without telling the rest of his family what he was going to do, or consulting anyone of significance, even though he was warned that a lobotomy was a HIGHLY risky procedure, and Rosemary herself was probably unaware of exactly what the operation would consist of. And then, when it all went wrong, Joe Sr. tried to keep it all under wraps, and the rest of his family had no idea what had REALLY happened to Rosemary until years later. It's sad to think of what Rosemary's life could have been if it hadn't been for the botched lobotomy; maybe she might have even gotten married and had a family of her own. Except for perhaps being a bit "slow" in some regards due to the oxygen deprivation at her birth, there really wasn't anything wrong with her mentally, and her condition was manageable, and she had been able to live a fairly normal life up until the forced surgery. The lobotomy was forced on her not so much because Joe Sr. was concerned about his daughter, but about his own IMAGE; having a rebellious and mentally slow daughter didn't fit in with his perception of the perfect family. What happened to her was so heartbreaking; at least her siblings, once they found out about the lobotomy, did try to do what they could for her and her other disabled people. I hope that she experienced at least some happiness in her later years!

[@lbadger2829]

Maybe knowing exposing Joe for what he was..might explain why the Kennedy's were cursed. he may have brought a lot of tragedy on to his family by his rotten actions

[@stephanieruppelt7471]

Her story is sad, but she only had the mind of a 5th grader so it’s unlikely that she could’ve had a family. Therapy of any kind wasn’t around back then, but she could’ve lived her life as best she could if her father had not done what he did.

[@1of3angels22]

This is a sickening story. Children are precious and yet at the mercy of whatever idiot is in their lives. What a scumbag. And the incapable nurse should have been hung along with the father. Disgusting. This will haunt me forever. Kennedy will always bring this image to my mind now.

[@ellenross4413]

From what I've read the reason the nurse didn't let Rosemary be born at proper time was the doctor wouldn't be paid if he wasn't the attending physician, to be there when she was born. So the orders were she was stuffed inside till he got there. At that time doctors were the gods...nurses (more women) could not counter man a doctor's orders. A nurse had to stand up when a doctor came in a room...lot of crap like that. The nurse didn't dare. The jerk doctor should have been reprimanded and lost license. Wonder both Rose and Rosemary didn't die that morning.

[@elcucy]

I explain more on the story or tell. When she went to go visit the queen. She tripped over before doing a curtsy and the queen lauged. She was in love with the child. In the United States she was sent to a catholic school where her mischievous side came out. She was also said to have been devolping her sexual side since she almost had sex with her grandfather. Sexually promiscuous was the term they used. After the surgery she was still isolated by her family or not even mentioned. According to the books. Because who would want to know about a lobtemy. That is why no body really knew about the lost hidden daughter. Even in books in the kennedy's biographies and in john f kennedy he was embarrassed by his sister. That is the reason the kennedy family misfortunes.

[@Liz-hz6dd]

This is just heart breaking. My daughter was deprived of oxygen at birth which caused her to be diagnosed with severe non-verbal autism. She’s 6 now and still can’t talk and is still in nappies. And do you know what we do with her?………. Love her with every ounce of our being because she is perfect the way she is.

[@Zeelovesdinos]

I had no clue that being deprived of oxygen at birth can cause autism, I thought it was just a brain thing. /gen

[@amelia8127]

autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder and that affects how your nervous system including brain develops and is not caused by oxygen deprivation at birth. the cause of autism isn't known but it's generally known that because it's a neurodevelopmental disorder it isn't caused by one off events and rather a mix of genetics and environmental factors :)

[@Zeelovesdinos]

@@amelia8127 sorry I was just curious but does that mean autism is just something that happens as soon as the brain is formed and is like how the brain is coded or like after a kid is born and the outside world makes the brain autistic? I’m trying to learn lots because I’m trying to get a diagnosis and there’s still lots I don’t know /gen

[@amelia8127]

@@Zeelovesdinos no worries, there's a lot of misconceptions about asd. There's not much known about what actually causes autism/ autistic people's brains to develope differently, but ultimately people with ASD have brains that function a little differently. While it's not an inherently negative thing, it's 'the outside world' which causes difficulties for people with ASD :) good luck with the diagnosis, it's a difficult process but to me it was very worth it

[@Zeelovesdinos]

@@amelia8127 thank you!

[@beautifulsoultress3078]

The lobotomy procedure and the physician that created it he basically barred from practicing medicine after the procedure was deemed severely harmful.

[@cisa_m]

Can you tell me where you got this information? Egas Moniz, considered the creator of the lobotomy and the person who won a Nobel Prize for the procedure (this is still a controversial topic today from my research) died in 1955 from internal haemorrhage and still held a private practice at the time. I found no records of him losing the rights to practice medicine.

[@thebotanicalden8468]

This happened to my brother. They held him in for over an hour until the doctor got there and he ended up having to stay in the hospital for over a month to heal from oxygen deprivation. Thankfully he's healthy and okay, nothing slow. But we were all so angry, he almost died because a nurse wouldn't let her have the baby before the doctor got there.

[@girl1213]

It's a sad reality that women tend to be treated as "hysterical" even in modern day medicine. Women's health suffers greatly because of this: just look at the statistics women don't go to an OB/GYN or a gynecologist. They don't trust the doctors or nurses will take them seriously whether they be man or woman. There's a power struggle there where it really shouldn't be. "You don't know medicine!" "I know my baby wants out whether you like it or not! She/He wants out and I WANT her/him out!" "You can't the doctor's not here!" "MY BODY *IS* THE DOCTOR!" And that's just an example

[@joannlanders6035]

I have to say that when I had my first baby in a very big snowstorm (I had to walk 1/2 way up a snowy hill while in active labor) I told the nurses that I was having the urge to push and was worried that the doctor was not there yet. the nurses said don't worry we have delivered lots of babies so go ahead and push. needless to say, the doctor arrived just in time to catch her ! joking that he and his wife had to shovel his way out.

[@claratenzs]

This is the exact reason why my cousin won’t have the her next child in a hospital. They treated her so badly for the first one she’s going for a home birth and midwife. I’m so angry at the doctors nurses and that hospital, I don’t blame her for not wanting to go back to a hospital to give birth, she literally had ptsd symptoms about going back to a hospital! but I’m worried about her giving birth at home.

[@mnicholson66]

I knew that Rosemary was given a lobotomy but did not know any of the details provided in this video. Joe Kennedy was a terrible father. Thanks for telling this story.

[@carpediem.9]

The father basically destroyed his daughter's life ... then lived happily without ever seeing her or caring ... disgusting...

[@jasong6789]

Joe Kennedy sr suffered a stroke in 1961 that left his right side paralyzed that was his karma

[@Napolean45]

​@@jasong6789kkkk

[@benschlechter]

@@jasong6789 And he died in 1969, six years after JFK had been killed, a year after RFK was killed and a few months after Ted Kennedy drove his car off the bridge at Chappaquiddick, leaving a blonde campaign worker to drown.

[@Hannah-ls7xb]

This story is full of Female disempowerment. The female nurse at Rosemary's birth was qualified to deliver the baby but it was 'best' to unnaturally postpone and wait for a male doctor. Later Rosemary's surgery was done with only her fathers command, without her mother's permission (not to mention her own.) The female nurse that helped during the procedure immediately quit because it was so traumatizing. I question if this would of ever occurred if women weren't silenced and disempowered. Toxic masculinity has gotten the best of some women, but over all females live through the heart of compassion. The mama bear within all women is rising to say "NO!" 💛

[@nekocamii]

@@hamsterking2187 there was very few male nurses if any at the time

[@tywanasutton1640]

@@nekocamii True...There were very few male nurses during that time and most of the ones that were around, were in the military and not in hospitals. It's amazing that men got into the nursing game so much later than women and some how they still make more in wage than female nurses! Smh...

[@rhondas3017]

My 1st child born in 1980 was delayed because my Dr. was at the dentist. Maybe no big deal, but he had to be delivered forceps, so every minute counted. That was the beginning of the birthingbrooom and I was watching General Hospital theme music whenike he was born. Decades later I saw that Dr, in People’s magazine because he was a well renown fertility expert or something.

[@0217ldp]

A girl I graduated from high school with had cerebral palsy caused by a nurse pushing on her head to keep her inside while she was being born as the doctor, who was at his clinic, ordered the baby not be born without him being there.

[@Billman66]

By all means, beat the "toxic masculinity" drum but, you've completely ignored the actions of the nurse; you remember, the one that urged the mother to close her legs tightly, the one that physically pushed on Rose Marie's head forcing her back up the birth canal for those two long hours. Without a doubt Joe Sr. was a standout POS, a Nazi loving bastard that didn't deserve the salt that went in his bread but the horror story that became this Lady's life started with some criminally neglegent decision making on the part of our nurse. She could have chosen to assist the delivery but either out of ignorance or cowardice, she chose the unthinkable. Mama Bear? You're pathetic. Understand this, power is always accompanied by an attendant responsibility and the reverse is true, you cannot claim to be in charge of anything as long as you refuse to take responsibility for the outcome.

[@bonniemcmanus1823]

So sad, but glad she had a positive impact after the terrible surgery she endured. So glad her family reconnected. I knew that the Kennedy Family started the Special Olympics, did not know the story behind it.

[@johnlarocco3348]

The Lord has Rosemary now and I bet she is perfect and singing with angels . Brother John passed laws for the diabled and now we know All life matters very much. Thank you for a great video.

[@moominesque6081]

It is so awful to see a patriarchal society reflected here, from the doctor not allowing a female nurse to deliver a baby which was ready to be born, to the doctor who botched a very controversial operation, to Rosemary's father, Kennedy senior. How terrible to constantly compare your children, and not love them for themselves, and also to prevent them developing a sibling relationship with their sister. He could only think that she brought shame, sending her to this school and that school and trying to keep her out of society. Her siblings only finding out the whole truth after his death. What a terrifying figure he must have been. Any shame is one hundred percent with him, because he couldn't love his daughter for herself.