OLD vs NEW Garou Ultimate: Which one is better? ft.

[@wellworkss]

i accidentally enabled a setting for my mic so thats why i might sound a bit weird in the second half of the video also it turns out using the old garou ult method removes the speed buff you usually get from ultimates, didnt realize this until final editing

[@Rioyyfb]

You should have given yourself a speed buff similar to the speed increase on the new ult so we could see the difference crushed rock actually makes

[@NightmareExpunged-p5r]

Ok

[@spectralfilmer1264]

Hi

[@Therealgoose69]

ok

[@arandomaccount33]

yo can you gift me vip and private server+😅

[@jazzy_burrito]

For the chasing segment, italso worth noting that Garou's ult moveset was designed at a time where no-one could run so effectively. Remember, the only two characters were "Bald Hero" and Garou. So the speed boost was enough at the time. Not anymore, though!

[@Chaoxso]

11:06 “This is my final stand!” Ah luck 😂

[@maxisbrainded]

17:53 is more like that

[@remades14]

nah 23:42 was like that more

[@imtherealegg]

@@remades14 u meant 90:34:56

[@Stickedimates]

@@imtherealeggu mean 69:69:69:69

[@imtherealegg]

@@Stickedimates was it that or 50505:79:639

[@Superdoopercoolguy]

Thank you,I didn’t know this.I also have this cool little thing I learned with tatsumaki that if you do Stone grave,then windstorm fury,The windstorm will glitch in place and it helps a lot with catching enemies.

[@Myaltcooldiey]

The reason is because stone grave usually blocks attacks like flame wave cannon,most attacks mostly

[@ChupapiMynana]

New garou ult: hehe, funny dash Old garou ult:FEAR ME, I CAN ONE SHOT YOU FOR SECONDS! Redacted: OMFG 150+ likes FOR 12 HOURS. THX BOIS

[@BobuxManSus]

that is so true tho, i remember in the old times when someone had garou ult almost NO ONE tried to go after him

[@boggy7091]

So can the new one wdym ☠️

[@yobitsgaming]

@@boggy7091dude there was so many more combos u could do with old garou.

[@yobitsgaming]

@@boggy7091it was way better

[@BobuxManSus]

@@yobitsgaming your so right🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Blufish-mu5pq]

we all know garou is a sweat character and the only reason ppl use the ult is for heals edit: they have infected me i am a (sometimes) garou main now 😔

[@elbuissonmignon]

+ They never use Crushed Rock as a combo starting move cuz they prefer using their side dashes 💀

[@xdpozu]

@@elbuissonmignon ??

[@BecomeRatt]

​@@elbuissonmignon❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌

[@iamyourmaster2565]

@@elbuissonmignonthe have to use crushed rock as a combo starter, they can’t use it after the opponent is on the ground. Rock splitting fist has to be used as a combo ender.

[@Angkimoteaa]

W saitama users🗿

[@quickhallsshow576]

The new version is slightly better in my opinion cuz chasing people is literally HELL

[@joel784]

Atleast you are not treated like a monkey

[@DüD-y7x]

Then why did u say the new one is better

[@quickhallsshow576]

@@DüD-y7x because it has a mobility move?

[@DüD-y7x]

@@quickhallsshow576 oh

[@Hello_1742]

I remember the first time I joined TSB, Genos was still in process, but the moment I ACTUALLY played the game was when they were working on Metal bat

[@seally_mylike]

same

[@phycoeclipse2125]

​@@seally_mylikeI remember that like 1 yr ago I was playing with some of my friends ( private servers were not free) and we were always 3rd partied I have no idea what preys peril did and it was so funny

[@seally_mylike]

@@phycoeclipse2125 private srvers were free, but not private+

[@Nobody-g1c]

I joined when Genos was being worked on

[@Jimmy27397]

2:20 you can actually confirm crushed rock because 1. your hit box stays where your flung for a few milliseconds, 2. you cannot dodge fast enough, and 3. I think the length of your side dash and backdash are reduced. Sure, you could counter it with atomic samurai or garou but its still a 50 50 you go against those characters.

[@Honzik207]

note that if Garou player has brain, he will not use the crushed Rock to hit you, wasting your counter. This will prepare you for a hot plate of final hunt/whatever moves Garou has at his disposal.

[@SealGaminSeal]

Thats what im sayin

[@P3BBL4]

I started TSB after it started to get popular when garou got released, his old ult moves were pretty good to combo with each other when he wasn't changed yet.

[@evonhong1148]

I only joined TSB becuase I watched a sketch video and wanted to try it

[@ankushalmightgamer]

Past lives

[@PeepWASD]

It was so ez to combo just used the first move then third then second it used to be such an easy combo

[@albiskeller8058]

Still nothing changed hero hunter at this point​@@PeepWASD

[@opsoo2229]

I feel like the crushed rock diss is too much, it's actually a great option for movement and even if old garou ult had a speedboost 90% of the time you weren't gonna catch your opponent, and rock splitting fist is meant to be a combo ender so comparing it to hunter cruelty which is a combo extender is unfair.

[@SaNicbOom6767]

I think people don't know when to use crushed rock and thats why they think the move its bad

[@Koalbalt]

Plus, you can also use Crushed Rock as a combo extender with a mini-upprrcut into flowing water and then final hunt. Just gotta know how to use it right!

[@Koalbalt]

@SaNicbOom6767 Exactly, and I'm not saying that the old moves didn't combo together more easily, but they diss Crushed Rock specifically way too much

[@tikcu5173]

​​@@SaNicbOom6767Materia said it's the worst move + it has a ton of startup no matter how good you use it. Before near update it even used to be PUNISHABLE BECAUSE YOU LANDED IT. Literally anyone who could counter rc could punish you FOR SUCCESSFULLY LANDING IT. Floaty just played it terribly against new moveset because if he just kept dashing he would have avoided every crushed rock easily.

[@lagoofysilly]

@@tikcu5173crushed rock shouldnt be used as a dash move

[@ZebracopYT]

This is kinda a blast for the past. I played the game when this moves where garous ult

[@-RandomStranger-]

Same

[@Zenseryx]

We are killing teamers with this one!! 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@ZoroRoronoa469]

Yessir we are dude 😎🗣🔥🗿

[@maradaxus]

Wopaganganstale🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@jamesvictorbarrera6836]

​@@maradaxusaybasilsilbeysil arturgatun na bay beylin 🗣🗣🔥🔥

[@neil5165]

Fun fact: preys peril was called doomed prey in his old ult. useless but if u were wondering

[@BonjoonKoo-u9q]

litteraly shows

[@neil5165]

@@BonjoonKoo-u9q shows what?

[@Asian_Phan]

he literally said what it was called before and people that played long time ago would know🤦‍♂❤💩🍆😩🤓👽🗿coems🤑😈😭❗😢😂💀🔥😡😈😔ඞඞඞඞඞඞඞඞඞඞ🍆+🍑+🥛=👶

[@neil5165]

Kids I mean to the new people that haven't played when it was older yall stupid 🤣

[@neil5165]

@@Asian_Phan ayyo

[@multiversedoge]

Am i the only one whos clicking on wellwork videos that have been made 10-50 seconds ago.

[@Abdullah94254]

Not only u

[@Xartie0]

Yeah indeed

[@cheeto155]

Does anyone remember old crushed rock?..

[@hoganhuang1414]

Ye

[@edithborjas448]

Yea it used to just knock them down without going back the going back was used as a finisher to crushed rock

[@rajkumarbanerjee9236]

No one talks about that old animation sadly

[@ToastBehindBeans]

​@@edithborjas448Suplex is what it's called

[@Doggy19363]

I wished they kept it :(

[@iamsam2392]

2:54 the counter move is also an old finisher for preys peril

[@phycoeclipse2125]

No it wasn't preys peril had no finisher back then

[@mysteryperson101something7]

@@phycoeclipse2125fr all it did was just fling people very far

[@minosprimus]

@@phycoeclipse2125 it did

[@phycoeclipse2125]

@@minosprimus no? It just flung j away

[@irritawaa]

​@@iamsam2392 that's complete bs

[@Yarukiganai]

Crushed rock is actually pretty good considering once someone uses an ultimate in public half the server also does causing A LOT of dust particles to appear making you unable to see jack.

[@jforcenet]

2:27 POV: garou players that have a brain predicts the side dash and lands it

[@OminousGooberX]

I started playing TSB when it used to be Hunter's Cruelty ._.

[@gabyjohal]

Old Garou was so good

[@bigbosses4686]

It was only good because of their being no runners. If it was still in use today, it would be worse.

[@-RandomStranger-]

​@@bigbosses4686 it was better used when the ENEMY popped ult first, since it had a much bigger awakening range, and the enemy was forced to either fight you or waste their ult (although there was only Saitama and a little of Genos back then)

[@Bubudude]

New garou is so underrated

[@BingChillingCitizen]

even before the doomed prey move, it had a version that was a counter, which was just Preys Peril but faster, and blows em away really far in the air.

[@TheCatHasFallen]

I thought for a sec i was the only person that thinks this, cause i thought i had a mandela effect where garous ult counter use to actually knock away opponents instead of doing a slam

[@forgotten6769]

isnt that the finisher?

[@epicnightmare5600]

@@forgotten6769 there werent any finishers before they would just ragdoll

[@mrmagmacube3065]

I personally think new Garou ult is better because crushed rock is a dash move and their are no ranged moves in the old ult, if your really good like Wellworks (obviously) you will be able to hit them ez pz but with new players learning the game, or players that have been playing for a little while may not be able to hit it, just because they may not have mastered side dashing or forward dashing. but you can think what you want. and I hope I dont start an arguement.

[@cosmic_baller]

Crushed rock should be a little faster, and i think hunters cruelty needs to come back. Garou have received a lot and when i mean by alot, i mean ALOT of nerfs, even if, he is still pretty good. I personally think the admin should add another passive that is not that strong but not that weak either.

[@epicnightmare5600]

man i remember when people said garou was pay to win good times

[@AwakenedAsianGamer]

Bro made a game theory : which garou ultimate is better video

[@TheBallsInspector]

uh.. quick tip.When used rock splitting fist.. quickly side dash when it ends then use the dash move. It should be either 50/50 to hit the opponent

[@BlueArrowTSB]

Bro had the most INSANE luck at 11:03

[@vitia2285]

i heard somewhere even this cant access the true old garou ult because the old garou ult had much more Invincibility frames, but still very cool how we can see a part of the TSB history

[@squggily]

Honestly, I think they should’ve swapped hunters cruelty with crushed rock instead of rock splitting fist because hunters cruelty is just a hunters grasp finisher but doomed prey should stay but have some buffs like it can counter more moves including ultimate moves and maybe have deflected projectiles do more dmg too. I’m not sure but I think I just really miss the old move set.

[@Rioyyfb]

You should have given yourself a speed buff in the old ultimate to make so we can really see if crushed rock makes that much of a difference

[@Teorema_dogatoinfinito]

We gotta agree that the new ult attacks are much cooler tho

[@CosmicBoiVeryCool]

yea but even tho they are cooler the moves made the ult so bad, the old ult moves were much more viable than the present moves.

[@Mightbebens107]

​@@CosmicBoiVeryCoolhow do u plan on catching your opponent, new ult actually gives u a chance

[@Zane-Satoru]

@@Mightbebens107 New ult has such a big start up on all of the moves people can dash away or punish you for using crushed rock like bro

[@-RandomStranger-]

​@@Mightbebens107 that "gives a chance" is a simple stun and free combo opportunity to smart players, meanwhile in the old one it was always very risky even AFTER the enemy missed an attack since all of Garou's old moves had s and if you didnt attack in time they could just counter-attack with final hunt or doomed prey

[@CosmicBoiVeryCool]

@@Mightbebens107 sometimes when u use crushed rock you have a wide opening which lets the opponent take advantage of it. The old ult tho it has lots of s, was more viable and was risky for the opponent if they missed the shot.

[@Sovasplays]

We Need old hero hunter back

[@splatboynick5149]

fun fact about crushed rock is that the final part when you smash them into the ground was only a finisher for the move before it was changed

[@andrewmalbon]

1:04 hunters grasp is hunters cutlery, and the counter move is doomed, pray

[@Rigged2Explode]

Gotta remember that Old garou was actually nearly completely invincible in his ult, cause the old barrage had i-frames and on top of that his counter was pretty solid. And his final hunt didnt deal as much dmg, which made up for hunter's cruelty being able to combo extend.

[@-RandomStranger-]

Also the range of final hunt was much bigger

[@weirdodudeman]

Tip: To baffle someone when you wanna rock splitting fist then crushed rock, sidedash anywhere then crushed rock. Enemy most likely will dash to you or sidedash away, which will fail, considering the jump length of crushed rock.

[@M.FadhlanAZ-qr1lf]

Imagine if they are just changed the ult counter to crushed rock. That will be so powerful.

[@albiskeller8058]

Can u say it right bc i had a headache after i read this do u mean the counter got changed into crushed rock?

[@Ilovetdsducks]

Old garou ult move giving me nostalgia moment when I first use garou

[@Mightbebens107]

you guys aren't noting that garou just recently got a new buff, which is the removed endlag for when you hit your crushed rock. This means that if you hit crushed rock you can instantly use final hunt and they wont be able to escape it. This is why new garou ult is just better

[@TheHighLvlDude]

Ngl I personally would’ve preferred the old Ult but with the speed of the new one, cuz not only would you have the potential to catch up to runners but also a move set that works well with eachother

[@dumb_koi34]

Hunter cruelty is actually crude because it does less damage now and actually you can do more attacks while the hunter’s cruelty is the main first attack and yet they can escape.

[@MLY_BACON946]

Man,the old good days. No sonic,no genos runner, and no spammer. Also, i think they add crushed rock because theres soo many runner(?)

[@kaicheese2]

tf you mean old days genos existed when garou was released and table flip spammers were literallt clearing the place

[@miguel8250]

the only thing i dislike about the garou ult is the fact that it can get countered like any normal ability

[@SAIGO369]

also the old one was so good everyone was running bc of the how op it was but now bc of the explosion it does

[@sickothem5869]

Old Garou’s ult combos were so deadly back then. Now the ult is extremely trash if you don’t even know how to use it

[@vexillium_gaming]

tbh i think garou's new ult needs a change it should instead use cosmic garou's moves and when they activate ult it drags players near him and then causes an explosion that can deal 40 damage 1st move is a counter it can counter all moves except saitama's 1st 2nd and 4th move 2nd move is cosmic punch this move can create a small portal where the garou ult grabs the player and smashes their face on the floor but this move only activates when cursor is present on a player 3rd move is cosmic barrage the garou ult runs around the enemy and then travels throught multiple portals causing a dent on the floor and then teleports in front of the enemy and does a punch barrage and then punches the ground causes an explosion 4th move is divine cosmic plummet where the garou ult launches a lot of rocks into the sky with you and and then jumps from rock to rock and punch you. also the more damage you do to the garou ult makes his ult bar go down,

[@kalcey1]

tip for landing crushed rock: step 1: waste their ragdoll step 2: land an m1 combo (m1 + m1+ m1+ uplift) step 3: use crushed rock step 4: profit

[@ISEEYOU979]

hunter's cruelty is literally just the hunter's grasp finisher with less damage

[@richisdaman]

I remember this cuz I started playing when Garou was still early access

[@AnormalBottle]

Hunter’s grasp was a ending attack in the old ult and prey peril was a prey peril then a down slam…

[@Crusty_Cheddar]

Fun fact that most people know! Doomed prey is a instant attack,and preys peril has 1 second then attack If you don’t get it preys peril has a small charge you when you counter them Idk how to explain

[@ammar9068]

idk why but i think you and floaty are the best duo like goku and vegeta or saitama and genos

[@Gamerz_Land450]

i remember the old garou ult it was overpowerd and so cool i remember it being like orange and a orange spot on your eye

[@sukritigupta1657]

2:50 the counter move was called doomed prey

[@michellesullivan7541]

I think the new garou ult contrast Garou in the anime alot better. He stops trying to go for combos and just trys to kill you, that's all he is focused on, with 2 dashes he's always on your tail. He's smelled blood and the waters are coated red. He is done reading your attacks and finding counterplay, all he is trying to do is finish you.

[@Fakesi]

I think I thought of something that could help,not completely solve the fact that Garous ultimate is basically used as a free heal but could still help, passive:hunters mark,when a player is hit by garous ultimate awakening they get slowed down by 35% this will apply until the player is dead or until the ultimate is gone

[@Fakesi]

Or maybe it could go on stacks of 10% all the way up to 50% but then again if someone really tries they can avoid most of garous ultimate moves,also it’d cause a little more chaos as then most people would be slowed

[@bobbyuser1]

Tbh the new moveset is a better counter ult than others (except satiama), where you can chase, punish but be punished and very lethal (as he has a move that goes through satiama’s death counter) basically making a character where if you’re not careful you will die however, his old moveset is more of a combo ult where each and every move, perfectly combines into each other allowing the highest damage out put and hard to punish as well, basically a god damn Truck you do not want to be hit by. Also the old moveset fits garou more in my opinion and I prefer the combo too.

[@bobbyuser1]

P.S I just realised this is technically better against teamers as it has a lot more AOE and has a counter

[@SomeGuy-jn9cb]

Honestly knowing Strongest dev team if they get enough complaints they might rework the ult. I’m sure they were even considering to begin with it’s not as flashy or strong as the new ones now

[@rowdy_rish]

i hope garou ult gets reworked its so easy to run from and it has 0 cinematic cutscenes (not complaining)

[@Sillybillywastaken]

For combos, old is a bit better, but for chasing runners new clears

[@FallenVZX]

The old ult has more combo potential, but it is hard to catch runners . The new ult has less combo potential, but is better with runners.

[@shadowkiller9009]

nah if you play with pro player you will get cooked but the old 1 you have prey paril and its have fast cooldown then the normal one the pro player cant do anything if you did prey to him everytime he dash to you or side dash to you

[@notcatac1838]

If your fighting someone with a brain 💀

[@Viyde]

honestly crushed rock depends on the player. The example you used of rock splitting fist which isn't supposed to be used as a combo starter wasn't a good example but i guess it does explain your point about the gap to dodge. But crushed rock is used as a combo starter because if you use crushed rock + water stream + final hunt you can kill them instantly. If you dont have final hunt you go into rock splitting fist instead. I get that they shouldn't have replaced the counter with crushed rock, But at the same time i dont think it would be fair to have a counter in an ult. It would make a Saitama main like me cry a river. I think instead of using crushed rock after splitting fist you should side dash + dash to save that ability. And once they dodge you use it, works most of the time for me because they waste their dash.

[@blackboardmanz]

Old is the best

[@nathanleezhenweimoe]

I feel like garou's crushed rock is actually pretty good, Although it's easy to counter, it's very easy to hit when you side dash and use it, if they have a counter you basically have 3 moves.

[@musicalgirl30]

Old moves water stream rock smashing fist, final hunt, *hunters cruelty*, *doomed prey*. New moves water stream rock smashing, final hunt, rock smashing fist, crushed rock.

[@DrSelVonSands]

Me and my brother say that New Ult is better than Old Ult because of the chase capabilities and the combos that can be preformed, however we both agree that Garou is long overdue for ult rework

[@PoisonEditors]

I first time played TSB when it was called Saitama Battlegrounds now its The Strongest Battlegrounds. i like the saitama ult tho, 4 moves, 1 shot, instant kill except for serious punch if the opponent is full health

[@arandomguywitharandomlife]

i feel like alot of people already knows this but there's a TRUE combo that no one can escape not even with evasive,and its the easiest combo: 1+2

[@ZainnhyGoon]

Crushed rock and doomed prey should've been combined with each other. Like the startup is the counter, then the dash.

[@mariowithagun1941]

I like the new Garou but the old Garou ult was just more fun.

[@laurieannegross9156]

we subcre'bing with this one🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🥶🥶🥶

[@sifumonkey78]

it just needs a full on rework, maybe monster garou. I think the old version isn't very creative because it just reuses his base moveset while the newer one just doesn't compete with the other characters

[@marouane2354]

I got a move idea for garous ult name : rock of the flowing cascade : the person slams the ground then picks a rock then he rapidly throws it and you cant counter it cuz its too fast and unpredictable if the owner sees this garou needs range

[@onishiranui]

this debate can stay up in arms but the old music and yellow aura went way harder imngl

[@Waffle0.]

The old garou ult moves: Water stream rock smashing The final hunt Hunter’s cruelty Doomed prey

[@epicsharky2345]

I just missed doomed preys. Imagine having a very low cooldown time counter in your ultimate and base.

[@shavetamittal3191]

There was a time when there was hunters cruelty with crushed rock, that was the best garou ult time

[@unknown-10214]

9:21 ‘u gotta play like those mobile players that just run for their lives’ HEY NOT ALL OF THEM DO FLOATY

[@CallMeMidnightlol]

fr, i’ve destroyed many ults on mobile

[@neil5165]

Nahhh Lil bro risked 76 persent of his fans for that disrespect

[@UmmmIDKYet]

@@CallMeMidnightlolsame bro im on mobile too and I’ve destroyed many ults

[@Casual_guy1234]

YEAH, IM A MOBILE PLAYER, I KILL STEAL NOT RUN LIKE A COWARD

[@The_Jayden00]

i destroy on mobile

[@Pork12555]

I’m pretty sure old garou was more like “catch them and you win” type ult.

[@seaSawltLOL]

"I dont have anyone to test it out on" **proceeds to deflect with a shuriken thrown by a player**

[@psu_k]

its a no brainer these ult moves got removed, once you got caught in a garou ult's grasp it'd be impossible to escape them. they replaced the moves to make garous ult more easier to escape. then again they were literally just copy and pasted from the normal garou moveset

[@PomatoeZ]

i feel like new garou ult is very good for runners whil old garou ult is very good for combos and defense (old garou ult had big Iframes back in the day)

[@Starbird75122]

3:52 use it at close range after some m1s if they’ve used side dash

[@muisaainee1594]

Dude , the only thjng they should do is nerf garou base moves , like i dont think his first m1 does 3 damage , cuz i ranked it's really wierd , some sweat comes just lands 2 flowing and 2 hunter's grasp an we are dead , like that is crazy.

[@The_Hentai_Dealer397]

literally a skill issue

[@oaristhegoat]

You got to remember with the old move set, sonic wasn't out so it's unfair

[@Spectbutworse]

“Garou’s ult isn’t even good” Has a 100% combo

[@bigbosses4686]

I have an idea: What if Crushed Rock had an aoe for when he misses sort of like Thunder Kick’s aoe, but he doesn’t get quite as much damage. The other option is to change the move into something into something like Toji’s shadow blitzing ult move like in Cursed Arena

[@goofuston]

probaly the ground smash thing could just be the old crushed rock anim when you land it but a bit more impactful i guess also no the shadow blitz idea kinda sucks since its completely wack like the fight mechanic

[@curioustheking]

I think they need to bring the old preys peril back since it's the only base counter move that can't be combo extended (if the move is hit completely) unlike atomic samurai's counter which can be combo extended

[@Coolhouse-kv8po]

Garou users used to use there ult to kill players easily in the old times of the games

[@CharlieScrotum]

you guys should 1v1 with old garou moveset vs new garou moveset, then we can see which is actually better

[@kiwien1086]

Garou is the best ult because it has a 1 shot combo which is extremely fast and its very easy to land Just use crushed rock and use the final hunt Crushed rock does around 30% and final hunt does SO much damage it literally 1 shots with only 2 moves but it can only be used on 1 person because final hunt will never regen I have never seen anyone else do it before but only i have tried it

[@Randomlyperson123]

Imo the garou ultimate is not bad. You just have to know how to use it. It’s definitely one of the worse ones as of rn but it’s not terrible.

[@ruburnn]

bro the new ult is cool but i want the old ult tbh. way easier to combo

[@xqloxo]

The old ult used the regular flowing water, it just slammed you into the ground.

[@yellow_gamer67868]

New garou combo:lethal whirlwind stream jumps and flowing water

[@RealBaldGoku]

"The speed is not speeding." -Floaty

[@a5t3r1sk]

I just found out about a second split counter glitch last week. The guy basically did a death cpunter using split second on the wr9ng guy Apparently its a bug ingame

[@christmastoyfan1847]

Floaty: You know you should run like those Mobile Players Me on a McDonald's wifi and fighting My friend who doesn't touch grass: