Developing cadence and expression in the trot

[@b.wild_and_free8206]

The horse is quite broken in the 3rd vertebrae, she has very little neck muscles. The front end and hind end aren’t connected at all which is why her back is so hollow. Her hind end is completely disengaged, she isn’t flexing in the hocks, and she doesn’t have any bend. What you’re saying is correct, but what you’re showing isn’t. You’ll cause a lot of damage to this horse if you continue riding her this way. If you want to see true dressage and partnership, please check out Will Faerber’s channel ArttoRide.

[@george.6556]

What happened to: An engagement of the hindquarters, in an uphill balance a lightness of the forehand, a supple poll as the highest point and the nose in front of the vertical? Not to mention self carriage.

[@minky7252]

Very badly bv. Some head wagging

[@Lfoxrealtor7975]

This horse never reaches out to the bit

[@SpectrumPS]

It is very kind of you to make this video available. Thank you very much!

[@jojoey5555]

This horse is held in front; behind the vertical. why? The rider can use all the buzz words he likes: engagement, impulsion, half halt, cadence....blah blah blah....this horse has beautiful natural movement but it will break down if this training continues

[@harshpalshekhawat8925]

how can we continue to keep the horse in his natural gait and also develop it without spoiling what we already have??

[@edmund_1223]

@@harshpalshekhawat8925 more light contact, not too tight. Horse's nose in front of the vertical, not behind the vertical. The classical way. It is even FEI dressage rule.

[@adelaideemeralding]

Thank god i’m not the only one who saw that!

[@sandrabakerassemi]

This horse is consistently behind the vertical. Why?

[@lovelylaura8632]

Excellent video and the advice! This is exactly what we are needing at this stage in our training. Most videos commence with a highly trained horse with brilliant expression and it is refreshing to see a nice (but realistic) trot develop into something brilliant through schooling exercises. THANKS!!!!:)

[@pab742]

This is far from an excellent video. It's a shame people actually think this is good. It shows actually how not to ride the horse.

[@danielthomas3333]

How not to do it.

[@JG-mt3rp]

Unpopular opinion - this video is being a bit unfairly maligned, it's a little deep but the horse is through and you get the impression this horse isn't ridden this deeply all the time. There's a trainer at my barn who rides LDR all the time and his horses go like shit. This isn't that, this is a limited, strategic use of compression, have no doubt this rider can elevate the poll at any time.

[@JG-mt3rp]

@peterbowcher742 Point out where I said this is "correct" Karen 😅

[@AmeliaNewcombDressage]

Here's another interesting video on developing cadence in the trot: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKrcZpV9rNt_hs0

[@george.6556]

Can the horse develop in uphill balance when the poll is never the highest point and so behind the vertical?

[@svatom]

The horse is still at the reins. Stiff in the neck. The back unstretchable.

[@heeeheee733]

people don't understand that some horses prefer to hold themselves behind the vertical and as a matter of fact find it more comfortable. my mare for example, loves to spend our rides behind the vertical. i am training her so i will eventually break that habit, but it takes time and there is no quick fix to it. this horse is obviously in training, so he/she is not perfect and obviously has things to work on. you cant just say to someone "your horse is behind the vertical, fix it". sometimes they cant, it's a work in process. stop bashing people when for all you know, they could be training this horse to fix this problem, it's just not displayed in this video. don't be an ignorant know-it-all.

[@Romovictorio]

Hi, I do understand exactly what you mean, some horses go behind the vertical to evade contact & it is "work in progress" & it happens for many reasons. I think the rider, in this demo, would be assisting us if he explained if this were the case. There are mirrors in the school for him to check what he cannot feel but that he could see in the mirror. It is good that so many people are, "on the case" these days & pickup on issues which for too long have been ignored & are for the horse wellbeing & care. We all want/need to be shown the very best work done by the very best riders & trainers & being able to critique & also to be critiqued ourselves in a positive manner. Riding & schooling & training horses is a life's journey to be enjoyed & to give enjoyment & most of all to the horse whatever their ability & capability.

[@heeeheee733]

I 100% agree with what you have stated. It kind of angers me when people are so harsh and quick to judge without knowing what goes on behind the scenes. Constructive criticism is great, but when it gets to the point of being disrespectful it ticks me off. :)

[@jenspringerchannel]

Totally agree too. Everyone is a critic and horse expert on the Internet. We don’t know the back story and he does acknowledge they can contract. Every “expert” keyboard trainer likes to throw around works like BEHIND VERTICAL to sound knowledgeable

[@coollikegrass2489]

No, horses don't prefer to have their nose behind the vertical. If you have a horse that likes to dip it's head behind the vertical then there is a reason for that and the reason is not that the horse likes it. The horse has been taught the head needs to be in that position or that you give to the bit until I stop pulling, so when you ride the horse will put it's head in that position or give to the bit to the extreme.

[@george.6556]

Stop making excuses! It does take time to do it correctly. This horse has been competing!!!!!!

[@Jim007baker]

horse appears to be over bent????

[@amberblyledge7859]

Also HILL WORK. Just up and down hills, mostly up. They have to sit to control their speed down hill, and have to push to go uphill.

[@JosephaGuillaume]

Euh, your horse is just hopelessly behind the movement, lacking behind because you hold her behind the contact. You say you should get the horse towards the contact but you do the opposite. Even when trying to go forward down she is still not able to open the throatlatch, hence she is very much on the forehand. Why? It is a horse others only can dream off, but getting the frame open again to allow true collection will be a pain. A shame...

[@jenniferhall2318]

I'm glad he acknowledged the 'shortening of the outline' thing... I was worried all his horses would be permanently cranked! :s

[@Pferdecoach]

very good demonstration !!!.....the eperienced rider can see how the horse becomes shortened in its body not loosing suppleness ....for not experienced people this work seems boring ..... smile

[@susiewalker]

for goodness sake please lift the reins to raise the poll - this horse is being held back - its trying to think and go forward but you are prohibiting it. open your fingers, raise the poll, so the the poll the highest point, lighten the forhand - let her look up - please dont break this beautiful horse - every good book and all the rules say the nose should be on or infront of the vertical - this riding is consistantly pulled down and back and under. your "good stretch' is not good - its still BTV. Forward out and down is a good stretch.

[@nigelcarter9637]

Totally agree Susie poor Horse !

[@mariapintomota]

It's dramatic

[@AngieSummers-p4w]

The horsebis behind the bit😢

[@crystalhaynes7725]

thanks for showing us how NOT to train a horse!

[@nigelcarter9637]

WHO IS THIS BLOKE ?

[@wejump2]

Too deep too long. Even when the horse stretches it's behind.

[@lpjarrett]

How not to train a horse .

[@danacrosby3680]

Not happy with how this horse is being held really too far beyond vertical. Looks painful. Not nice.

[@bethbrown4670]

Poor horse! Beautiful animal is already broken at the 3rd vertebrae. Riding a horse behind the vertical only causes back issues and will break the horse down within a very short time. Brilliance and expression come from self carriage not a constrained, tense horse. Please stop!

[@lisahowland144]

:( I can see the break too. A beautiful animal with super movement. I am a show jumper learning more about dressage and it fills me with fear !

[@Miss-Laine]

Poor horse. :( You are cruel. The title of this video should be "DEVELOPING BROKEN 3RD VERTEBRA" At the end It looks like the horse is trying to stretch but you won't let him.

[@ChristynaWydenes]

Why in the heck are you using the second bit, the horse is curling up behind the vertical something we sure do NOT like to see. Take the second bit out and ride the horse in a natural position with the natural cadence. Only then we have an honest cadence.

[@debbiehattan890]

This, in my humble opinion, is exactly what not to do. This is not dressage. This is nearly torture for the horse. She is over-bent, over-bitted and constantly dug in the ribs at every stride by his spurs. Shame on him. Did his father, Ferdie Eilberg teach him this?

[@emilydove2514]

so badly over bent.