Wemby vs. Chet | A battle of unicorns

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Victor Wembanyama and Chet Holmgren put on a show in San Antonio recently -- who was better? Who won their head-to-head battle? This detailed film breakdown examines the matchup between these two Rookie of the Year candidates, their defense, passing, off ball impact (and gravity), how they guarded each other and more.
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@natekong3596
@natekong3596 7 ай бұрын
Wemby IQ is so often overlooked. He sees everything on the floor and orchestrates the Spurs offense even when he doesn't have the ball.
@jojoprocess2820
@jojoprocess2820 7 ай бұрын
He might be the perfect basketball player
@theSafetyCar
@theSafetyCar 7 ай бұрын
​@@jojoprocess2820I think it's crazy we went from MJ is the perfect basketball player to this freak of nature that nobody thoughy would ever exist. The only way to improve on Wemby as a player is if there was somehow a version of him that was as fast and agile while also being jacked and athletic like Giannis.
@lapetiteoliv
@lapetiteoliv 7 ай бұрын
Exactly, he has Jokic like IQ, it’s just that for the moment, the system around him, the players around him and also him still making bad shots decisions makes them difficult to see But he has a crazy high iq at his age and I even argue that is his best skill yet in his game Maybe a tie with his shot blocking ( but shot blocking is also heavily linked with iq so…)
@Fawnswine
@Fawnswine 7 ай бұрын
Yup I dont get these Chet or even Bol Bol comparision. Victor is doing stuff on the court that i never seen Chet nor Bol Bol do. Victor is 1 of 1. Victor is averaging more assists than Chet despite being on the wrose team. Imagine if he had descent teammates he could easily average 5+ APG as a rookie which is just insane for a center rookie.
@Kermit_T_Frog
@Kermit_T_Frog 7 ай бұрын
He's got a good basketball mind. In my eyes, the most surprising thing about him. He is NOT a phenomenal athlete. Nor a good shooter. I like the comparisons to Durant, though I expect Wembanyama to get get bulkier with age.
@shelovet0mmy
@shelovet0mmy 7 ай бұрын
These two both have the intangible drive, toughness and desire that makes you confident that they’ll try to squeeze everything out of their potential
@Anthonydu01630
@Anthonydu01630 7 ай бұрын
But only 1 has GOAT potential 🇫🇷😊
@paulgastelum2143
@paulgastelum2143 7 ай бұрын
@@Anthonydu01630you never know🤷🏽‍♂️
@pricelessmine
@pricelessmine 7 ай бұрын
You described it perfectly
@Kentarius
@Kentarius 7 ай бұрын
@@Anthonydu01630lol
@awdrpepper
@awdrpepper 7 ай бұрын
​@Joesmith-gn7mhTrue... But Wemby will close the gap if he puts in the effort!
@dimelo58
@dimelo58 7 ай бұрын
That play with wemby telling his teammate to move up shows his high IQ he might just be even better than we think he is.
@tigerhoods7927
@tigerhoods7927 7 ай бұрын
Facts he just need better teammates
@coachtimmeh6826
@coachtimmeh6826 7 ай бұрын
@@tigerhoods7927they’re all young, Victor has just played professionally for 4 years. Spurs will make some moves in the offseason, add two more top 10 picks and don’t underestimate internal growth since we are watching it first hand this last month or so.
@TheChessRunner
@TheChessRunner 7 ай бұрын
He is doing that all the time the last month. Even more then there point guard Tre( who is playing great too)
@M0IVD0
@M0IVD0 7 ай бұрын
Exactly don’t see Chet doing that
@terrancejohnson8017
@terrancejohnson8017 7 ай бұрын
News flash he is
@Drakoth01
@Drakoth01 7 ай бұрын
Watching them play is incredible, I'm watching 2 potentially generational talents in their rookie years at the same time
@issey1456
@issey1456 7 ай бұрын
Although to be fair, one of them is 2 years older and 1 year ahead in the NBA than the other.
@doobleludo3589
@doobleludo3589 7 ай бұрын
Chet is not rookie ...
@RasLion
@RasLion 7 ай бұрын
LOL nobody is gonna remember Chet by next year
@NeteroxZeno
@NeteroxZeno 7 ай бұрын
​@@RasLiontrue they should be happy with comparing now Wenby with chet ( even if wemby is already way better than chet , but haters wont admint )because that's how close the comparison is ever going to get chet has nothing more to offer he already fullfield his potential , wemby is gonna be the goat if he doesn't get a major injury
@Luke-Ryan
@Luke-Ryan 7 ай бұрын
@@doobleludo3589 whats the difference? What about Bronny? When he enters the NBA will he not be a rookie because he is around NBA players all the time and will have college experience. Wemby is certainly as fresh as they come but whether someone has college experience or were drafted in different years your a rookie the first year you play in offical regular season games this is both the first year they have played. That he's not a rookie is bullshit. What about Luka who had professional experience? Simmons was in same situation as Chet did he not deserve RotY?
@turkey8727
@turkey8727 7 ай бұрын
"Snatches that offensive rebound over the little kids" 😆
@austingreen1274
@austingreen1274 7 ай бұрын
I cracked up😂
@TheRealBruceLouis
@TheRealBruceLouis 7 ай бұрын
wemby gets boxed out so many times and it just doesnt even matter at all i remember the good ole days of coaches in youth leagues and schools preaching that whole if you box out, no matter how tall the other guy is, you getting the rebound. well turns out when someone is as long as wemby is that isnt the case no mo.
@princemjbp695
@princemjbp695 7 ай бұрын
Perfect definition of Wemby
@nuggz720
@nuggz720 7 ай бұрын
Both have lived up to every piece of hype 100% and I can see exactly their future of dominating the NBA for the next 10 to 15 years. For both though health will always be a concern cuz that is a crazy frame
@jerrymiemarcus
@jerrymiemarcus 7 ай бұрын
First the NBA and they might also battle it out on the international level.
@nuggz720
@nuggz720 7 ай бұрын
@@jerrymiemarcusYou really missed an opportunity there "first the NBA and then the world" like a couple of evil villains' which in 10 years as a Nuggets fan they will be
@blablablaa14
@blablablaa14 7 ай бұрын
Chet is great, but by God Wemby is so so special
@justinhill5509
@justinhill5509 7 ай бұрын
Wemby is just way bigger. Gonna be a great western conference match up for many years to come. Hakeem and Ewing?
@LoganNagol
@LoganNagol 7 ай бұрын
I’m so glad this rookie of the year race happening. A lot of NBA draft junkies had been debating who was the better prospect for like 3-4 years lol
@glovs4188
@glovs4188 7 ай бұрын
There's no debate really. Okc would trade chet for wemby in a heartbeat.
@wizexel22
@wizexel22 7 ай бұрын
@@glovs4188agree. Other than to hype the rivalry, there’s never been a debate (and there still isn’t one). Wembys is already significantly better and his ceiling is scary. It wouldn’t take Presti 2 seconds to trade Chet for Wemby if offered lol.
@lesansonnet2456
@lesansonnet2456 7 ай бұрын
@@glovs4188 and some first picks. But yes, rivalry for this year, if they want. After ROY, he'll choose another player to surpass.
@awdrpepper
@awdrpepper 7 ай бұрын
​@glovs4188 Straight horse manure you spat right there. Chet delivers exactly what OKC needed, this year - SPACING. Wemby is still raw in a few areas, particularly outside shooting. OKC is one the few teams in the league who would pick Chet over Wemby - and this video illustrates why. And lastly it is not obvious who will become the better player. Most would agree Wemby has a higher ceiling, but the both do pretty much everything you would want in a modern big. And most players never rwxh their true potential.
@pyrotechnic96
@pyrotechnic96 7 ай бұрын
@@awdrpepper So if ur OKC and SA offers u Wemby for Chet straight up you aren't taking it???
@brown9671
@brown9671 7 ай бұрын
whats freaking me out in these clips is him telling his teammates what to do, thats so much knowledge and confidence from a rookie its scary. give it some years and his basketball iq is increased and he might be able to lead a team singlehandedly .
@Cardb33
@Cardb33 7 ай бұрын
That kind of confidence and leadership is special at his age and I'm sure at least some of it is coming from the mentors he has. Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Manu, Tony Parker, Popovich, all the Spurs legends are mentoring him and supporting him in every way they can. Tim Duncan's mentorship particularly is something I'm excited about. He was quiet but absolutely a top tier competitor, winner and classy player. The defensive lessons, the pressure of playoff basketball (When my Spurs actually get some competent teammates for him), blocking out the noise from media and other players, the value of being a great teammate and leader, how to handle the pressure being a highly sought after #1 overall pick, all things that Tim Duncan knows firsthand and that Wemby would benefit immensely from learning.
@burchidoaol3621
@burchidoaol3621 7 ай бұрын
@@Cardb33 Wemby played for Vincent Collet, actual coach of french national team and one of the best coach in the world (Pop said this) so he knows what basket-ball is
@1619Estl
@1619Estl 7 ай бұрын
I hope all the true basketball lovers don’t take what we’re seeing for granted , rooting for both guys just for the love and evolution of hoops.
@jlui21
@jlui21 7 ай бұрын
-- trying to think of a great battle of similar years and size. Kobe Vs Tmac only lasted 4-5 years before injuries crushed Tmac. Shaq C vs Duncan PF/C ain't quite the same. KG v Duncan is close. Lebron v KD is reasonable but just seemed weighted on Lebron's side.
@notasuperuser
@notasuperuser 7 ай бұрын
Wemby is on a different tier and when it’s all said and done it won’t even be close.
@blazefactor6849
@blazefactor6849 7 ай бұрын
Nah, that's a huge cap. Wemby's a monster, but Chet is just as crazy, and arguably has more flexibility in terms of his growth. Wemby's still very inconsistent as a shooter, but Chet's already looking incredible, and that's a big thing when it comes to being able to work with a variety of players and playstyles.
@M0IVD0
@M0IVD0 7 ай бұрын
@@blazefactor6849you cant say that when he was too scared to even go at wemby
@slightexag
@slightexag 7 ай бұрын
@@blazefactor6849he's a year older and has been with an nba organization for a year longer. Shooting efficiency is something that every rookie struggles with but that's less an issue when you have a year with a world class quality NBA shooting coach. Wemby's ceiling is a tier higher, particularly on defense.
@picklericky03
@picklericky03 7 ай бұрын
@@blazefactor6849 One gets double and triple teamed every play the other doesnt, so I'd hope his efficiency is better cuz thats kind of all hes got going for him in terms of stats
@Fawnswine
@Fawnswine 7 ай бұрын
@@picklericky03 Exactly the fact of the matter is that Chet needed 2 of his OKC teammates to help him guard Wemby is crazy. If he is already getting triple teamed as a rookie what will happen when he hit his prime a triple team will not even be able to stop him because he will just shoot over it.
@henryjxg
@henryjxg 7 ай бұрын
Super excited to learn about the upcoming Wemby video. Hope to see a shoutout to Tre, he's been the key factor to unlock Wemby.
@discobassgroove
@discobassgroove 7 ай бұрын
Facts
@TheNatewag
@TheNatewag 7 ай бұрын
nothing gets me more excited than watching your analysis on players
@TolbertOseiOwusu
@TolbertOseiOwusu 7 ай бұрын
Two incredible players and another great content from Ben Taylor again ❤
@Langustaaa
@Langustaaa 7 ай бұрын
Wemby doesn't often have a weight advantage on defenders like he does vs Chet. And I think he took note of how physical Embiid was with him and it looked like he was trying out that style of play on a few possessions.
@09lowkey
@09lowkey 7 ай бұрын
They compete against each other like they understand what their relationship means to basketball. They could be the greatest individual rivalry since Magic/Bird. Also its cool to see shot blocking bigs coming back, these 2 and Kessler are already establishing themselves as rim protectors.
@yerrrrrrrr4567
@yerrrrrrrr4567 7 ай бұрын
shot blocking bigs never left
@tigerhoods7927
@tigerhoods7927 7 ай бұрын
Hopefully we get to see them battle for many years to come
@Faisaltm2
@Faisaltm2 7 ай бұрын
I love both of them, they are very amazing young talent.
@PodiumTuningRacing
@PodiumTuningRacing 7 ай бұрын
Im a Spurs fan, so naturally Im rocking with Wemby no matter what. However, these two are at the worst they will be in their careers, think about that. Chet will be a sniper, his shot looks fantastic. I do think that Wemby is the better overall player, but wow are we so lucky to be able to watch these two grow and compete.
@arkadefire5909
@arkadefire5909 7 ай бұрын
The Rising Star game is gonna be lit 🔥🔥🔥
@alexanderrose1071
@alexanderrose1071 7 ай бұрын
You definitely have the type of videos that people would assume come from an account with minimum 150k followers. Keep it up!
@Fr0gSplashh
@Fr0gSplashh 7 ай бұрын
They're both awesome but to me Wemby is clearly ROY and I don't really understand how this is close. The award is for rookie of the year, not "most efficient rookie on a winning team". Wemby gets the superstar treatment from opposing defenses and still gets better numbers than Chet on lower minutes. He is the story of his franchise while Chet is the 3rd option of his. OKC is SGA's team and SGA is the one name way up on the opponent's gameplan. Wemby also steps up to the plate when an opposing superstar comes to town and the lights shine brightest. The game he played against Giannis was him saying "I am the star of this rookie class" to me. Chet is a wonderful player, but he's just a piece. Wemby is San Antonio. They'll go as far as he goes one day while I'm not sure Chet will ever be the 1st option. He is clearly the face of this rookie class, which Chet is not even really a part of -he has had a whole year to adapt behind the scenes while Wemby is doing it before our very eyes. He is the rookie of the year. Chet is the best rookie on a winning team. But he's neither better nor more important than Wemby.
@awdrpepper
@awdrpepper 7 ай бұрын
Watch the video and you'll see why it's close...
@cyber7273
@cyber7273 7 ай бұрын
@@awdrpepperidk more wemby highlights but to each their own
@rfmmike6096
@rfmmike6096 7 ай бұрын
​@@awdrpepper OKC won the game due to SGA going absolutely nuclear but watching this game live Wemby won the matchup with Chet, Chet looked unwillingly to take him on offense, almost passing out everytime even in insolation but Wemby had his way on the other end. In terms of the race overall I still think Chet has a case/angle due to his efficiency but I'd take Wemb
@Fr0gSplashh
@Fr0gSplashh 7 ай бұрын
@@awdrpepper I did watch the video. It makes the case that they're both good players, which, yeah, duh, they are. I'm just making the case that one of them has a way stronger profile as far as ROY is concerned in my opinion. Last night OKC lost and Chet had a very quiet night. Even in losses, Wemby is anything but quiet. That's because he means everything to San Antonio. All of their stuff runs through him, as it should. And all of the opponent's attention is on him. For a guy who is younger and on a minutes restriction, that speaks volumes as to why he is ROY imo. He makes San Antonio games meaningful. You watch them to see Wemby. You watch OKC to see SGA, not Chet...
@danread6987
@danread6987 7 ай бұрын
Has everyone missed the sack shot on Chet 1:24? Damn 😂
@Max-kw2hp
@Max-kw2hp 7 ай бұрын
I love them both. Too bad that there is so much vitriol among sycophants that most discussions end up with trashing one of them.
@M0IVD0
@M0IVD0 7 ай бұрын
Because spurs fans feel crazy watching a generational talent be compared to a role player.
@mosessupposes2571
@mosessupposes2571 7 ай бұрын
Thank you. Well said.
@shorewall
@shorewall 7 ай бұрын
@@M0IVD0 Lol, you got the brain rot. Don't jinx Wemby with your glazing.
@TariqKanhal
@TariqKanhal 7 ай бұрын
5:34 i love how Chet didnt dive and cry to the refs like other nba players this rivalry will hopefully revive the nba they both are amazing players
@KEVEONISEYE
@KEVEONISEYE 7 ай бұрын
It’s more so Unicorn vs alien and they’re both in the end gonna be all time players I feel, much respect to them both and good fortune to come
@bobmortock
@bobmortock 7 ай бұрын
They need to call traveling again with how gifted these guys are. 4:11 isn't one step. He does a mini hop, then picks up his pivot foot while taking an extra step
@veejay41
@veejay41 7 ай бұрын
Hope and pray they stay injury free and continue to lead the next generation of players. Unicorns indeed!
@hashbrown4278
@hashbrown4278 7 ай бұрын
Yes
@joshb.1118
@joshb.1118 7 ай бұрын
Appreciate both of them. They are uniquely talented and skilled.
@wc4201
@wc4201 7 ай бұрын
I’m team Wemby as a Spurs fan but I LOVE Chet’s intensity and how he isn’t flopping all over the floor. Chet doesn’t back down from Wemby or anyone else and contests at the rim as well as any center ever has. His biggest advantage tho is his teams IQ and skill as he is free to play 1v1 against any team. The Thunder are really good. This team is a championship contending quality team. As of right now Chet is more developed and you can see his year in college and year injured in OKC has really helped his IQ. Wemby isn’t as polished but he is far more skilled and has a higher basketball IQnaturally. What I really like is that they both are competitors and want to win by beating each other. I hope to see more of this and hope the LeBron/KD super team era is at an end.
@angryraylangivens1281
@angryraylangivens1281 7 ай бұрын
"chet doesnt back down from Wemby" LMAO he was hunting mismatches the whole night
@M0IVD0
@M0IVD0 7 ай бұрын
What are you even saying did not even attempt to try wemby lmaooo
@kathmandu6237
@kathmandu6237 7 ай бұрын
@@angryraylangivens1281 he's clearly talking about on the defensive end... hence the "anyone else" and "contests the rim".
@angryraylangivens1281
@angryraylangivens1281 7 ай бұрын
@@kathmandu6237 chet is ass
@tyn6211
@tyn6211 7 ай бұрын
At 4:31, you can see the difference between the SAS and an elite team like Denver. In DNVR's offense, Sochan would be diving to the rim for the dump-off or for the lob, McDermott would be flashing to the corner, and Devin occupying McDermott's spot. As is, the spacing is way off; SAS has 3 guys being covered by 2 Thunder.
@small_creeper
@small_creeper 7 ай бұрын
great video keep it up man!
@johnmarku3658
@johnmarku3658 7 ай бұрын
As you guys remember, Chet had an injury in his supposed to be rookie year. Being with the team for a whole year definetly helped improved his skills before he started his first nba game. Now imagine if Wemby had one season with the team before playing 🤯
@tomevans5976
@tomevans5976 7 ай бұрын
Nice to see so many people supporting both of these guys because we want to see both reach their max potential to give us a generational duel instead of shitting on one or the other
@mayhanay
@mayhanay 7 ай бұрын
This month: Wembanyama 25/10/3/3 on 61% TS Chet 15/7/3/2 on 59% TS He is literally averaging more of EVERYTHING on a way worse team without 3 playmakers that average a combined 17 assists like Chet does.
@cabbage8742
@cabbage8742 7 ай бұрын
Does that include turnovers and plus minus?
@mayhanay
@mayhanay 7 ай бұрын
@cabbage8742 Wembanyama is turnover prone sure, but he also is a lead ball handler in a lot of plays. I'm glad you brought up plus minus. Chet has +55, while being on the best team in the West and playing 3 more games, Wemby has 50 while on the worst team in the West and playing 3 less games. Wemby has a better plus minus per game. Youre right with the turnovers tho. He has averaged more turnovers, but also more points, assists, blocks, steals, rebounds, double his offensive rebounds and a better plus minus per game. Better 3p%, better FT%, better TS% and overall better stats on 26 minutes a game, while Chet plays 30.
@cabbage8742
@cabbage8742 7 ай бұрын
@@mayhanay For the past month. Ok sure man
@mayhanay
@mayhanay 7 ай бұрын
@cabbage8742 I mean for a career, Wemby has more points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals. He is third in stocks per game and blocks per game ALL TIME. He started off his rookie campaign shooting low percentage shots but now that the team has learned to play with him it's showing.
@cabbage8742
@cabbage8742 7 ай бұрын
@@mayhanay Well he sure fills up the statsheet for a team that ain't going anywhere that's for sure. Good on him
@adikunduru2734
@adikunduru2734 7 ай бұрын
Great editing!
@benjipaname846
@benjipaname846 7 ай бұрын
Wemby Cook Chet 1on1
@domingow.17
@domingow.17 7 ай бұрын
This might be controversial, but I think Victor is by far the more talented between the 2. Chet, however, is way more polished, which is why he contributes to winning so well already.
@Rooski245
@Rooski245 7 ай бұрын
Lol it’s not controversial at all. Most pundits and analysts are saying the same thing. It’s not even close
@joshb.1118
@joshb.1118 7 ай бұрын
Most analysts focus on usage and iso possessions (ball in hand) and one on one feats such as blocks, which look great for Wenby. The reality is that so far Chet has had higher efficiency and a bigger impact on winning as measured by nearly all advanced metrics (after controlling for who else is on the floor). The advanced metrics aren't close. But, we are only at the midway point for the season and Wenby has been improving quickly. Wenby has the higher long run upside, but I also feel that most folks don't truly appreciate the impact of Chet. His defensive positioning and versatility is superb for a rookie and his gravity creates space and cutting lanes. As great as SGA has been, the one big roster change between the 0.488 team and current .771 team is Chet.
@domingow.17
@domingow.17 7 ай бұрын
@joshb.1118 I'm very locked in on nba so I'm well aware of the stats and metrics. I also watch a TON of bball and have for nearly 2 decades. So I know the difference between a player in Victor's position vs Chet. It's undeniably easier to be more efficient in Chets situation vs Victor's.
@joshb.1118
@joshb.1118 7 ай бұрын
@@domingow.17 Bro. Chill. I brought up a nuanced point and was not the one who brought up the "many people say" argument.
@domingow.17
@domingow.17 7 ай бұрын
@joshb.1118 all good man. Just countering your counter point. No hostility on my end
@tommyguntunechi8124
@tommyguntunechi8124 7 ай бұрын
San Antonio desperately needs to hit with these next 2-3years of first rounders, or make good roster moves/trades. He needs a guard and a wing atleast. Jarret Allen also comes to mind.
@shorewall
@shorewall 7 ай бұрын
They need to make moves. People were saying Wemby is good enough to win right now, and they were right. If they could get Trae Young, I think they could be a contender. That kind of move is what they need. Imagine if they had traded for CP3? They might be in the playoffs right now. And Wemby would be the clear ROY, Allstar, and who knows what else.
@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069
@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 4 ай бұрын
I LOVE how Chet seems to have no ego issues in terms of not wanting to challenge dunk attempts for fear he might get posterized. That's about your ego, he's more concerned about doing his damn job when anyone attacks the rim. It's like how Alonzo Morning was one of the best rim protectors in the league, but he also got posterized famously a few times, that is a compliment to him, it means he was there to contest every attempt he could.
@jonasbrown1
@jonasbrown1 7 ай бұрын
it’s insane to see the size difference between them and everyone else it’s almost scary
@danieldafonsecagagsb4526
@danieldafonsecagagsb4526 7 ай бұрын
Great video!
@collinslogan01
@collinslogan01 7 ай бұрын
Can’t see how anybody can argue wemby isn’t roty. He cooked Chet this game.
@chendaddy
@chendaddy 7 ай бұрын
I'm so happy both are living up to the hype. Desperately hoping we can get the privilege of watching them healthy and battling against each other for the next 20 years, like Kareem but if there were two of him.
@ryanandrewbaker
@ryanandrewbaker 7 ай бұрын
They are both amazing, but Wemby doing what he does with zero help (and I mean zero) on his team makes this easy for me. The way I think about it, if you switched their fortunes and put Chet on SAS I can't see it being so clear cut. But man, Chet's shooting is impressive (I mean everything is, he's awesome too).
@wizexel22
@wizexel22 7 ай бұрын
I kinda get the argument for Chet as ROY. He’s really good. But it’s been so obvious to anyone that watches games that Wemby is the better player. Basically if you swapped their teams OKC would be so scary. It’s sad for fans that Spurs have been tanking all year with their “experiments”. If Wemby doesn’t win ROY he can thank Pop and Wright for that.
@shorewall
@shorewall 7 ай бұрын
I think it is semi-intentional from Pop. I don't think Pop wants Wemby to explode too soon. He's trying to humble Wemby, but it might backfire. I think Pop has to go in 2-3 years.
@michaeljansz4346
@michaeljansz4346 7 ай бұрын
Something that is overlooked is how unique a situation this is for both players. They're both unicorns, and the odds of them being in exactly the same stage of their career at the same time is astronomical. In terms of them having a rivalry, if either one wasn't in the league, who would there be for them to compare themselves to in real time? KP? I can't see there being the same level of drive and motivation for either player if they didn't have a situation where the ONLY real rivalry prospect for either play just happens to be playing at the same time, the same age, and honestly to the same level. IMO this can only bring out the absolute best for both of them, playing against each other, sharing something absolutely unique, and driving each other to grow as much as possible, as either only hated enemies or close friends can in competition. MJ's the GOAT in some respects due to the fact that he made everyone his bitter enemy on the court, helping to drive himself throughout his entire career. Here's hoping that these two lads stay healthy, drive each other to unbelievable heights in competition, and give us all the most amazing next two decades of basketball we've ever seen.
@Alex-df1zf
@Alex-df1zf 7 ай бұрын
Chet is not even a rookie.
@joshb.1118
@joshb.1118 7 ай бұрын
True. However, it's "redshirt" rookie rule the NBA has had forever: Blake Griffin and en Simmons were ROY winners.
@stevieboymkii
@stevieboymkii 7 ай бұрын
I would really like to see these two play together, although that almost certainly would not happen outside of All Star games, which aren't properly competitive. Their differences would make them a nightmare, as it doesn't really feel like they'd get in each other's way that much, if the coaching was right.
@rachelespiritu4215
@rachelespiritu4215 7 ай бұрын
Okay but seriously, how fun are the all star games gonna be with Chet+Wemby repping the west together for the next decade?
@stevieboymkii
@stevieboymkii 7 ай бұрын
@@rachelespiritu4215 I'm not sure they'll go back to the old East/West format and unless they do something to make the All Star game more competitive, I think it would sadly be a disappointment. Hope to be proved wrong though!
@midsbv8960
@midsbv8960 7 ай бұрын
@@stevieboymkii huh?? i thought they switched back to East/West format this upcoming All-star game? or am i just daydreaming
@stevieboymkii
@stevieboymkii 7 ай бұрын
@@midsbv8960 you are right - I am behind the times! Honestly, the most recent All Star games have been so painfully boring, I haven't bothered paying much attention.
@ricerice566
@ricerice566 7 ай бұрын
Hey thinking basketball, I wanted to get your genuine opinion on if Wembanyama is a generational defender
@OriolCardoso
@OriolCardoso 7 ай бұрын
I never watched them so I don't know but I feel like this is what it would be like to watch Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain battles back in the day. Obviously they are rookies and comparing them to all time greats is absurd but the height along with incredible defensive and offensive potential which alters the way the game has to be played, it makes me feel like we could have a modern version of those battles when you include the modern aspects of todays game such as 3 pointers, positionless basketball and whatnot.
@thenotoriousmichaeljackson8938
@thenotoriousmichaeljackson8938 7 ай бұрын
Shoulda been a main channel video, but posting it here might give dis channel a significant view boost.
@particularlee
@particularlee 7 ай бұрын
there is one argument where Chet has more 'win shares' than Wemby, where just by adding him they have gone from play-in team to best record in the west. but i feel like Chet also benefits from the lowkey INCREDIBLE improvement not just SGA has shown this season but also Jalen Williams. SGA has obviously elevated himself into a frontrunner in the MVP conversation, but I feel Jalen Williams is also a frontrunner for MIP behind Tyrese Maxey. The guy is playing like an all star at times esp with clutch buckets - super underrated because he is buried behind Shai and Chet in these conversations. I argue Chet is not the clear cut 2nd best player on OKC behind Shai either, so against this line up, who do you load up your defense on? You can't really because there that many weapons. Meanwhile wemby has faced triple and at times quadruple teams and his open teammates continue to brick open shots
@alext3496
@alext3496 7 ай бұрын
Dont overthink it Wemby cooked chet 1 on 1
@joshb.1118
@joshb.1118 7 ай бұрын
It ain't a 1v1 game.
@M0IVD0
@M0IVD0 7 ай бұрын
@@joshb.1118roty is an individual award
@alext3496
@alext3496 7 ай бұрын
@@joshb.1118 We all know okc is better than the spurs. The only reason people watched the game was becuase of WEmby vs Chet and Wemby cooked him
@M0IVD0
@M0IVD0 7 ай бұрын
@@joshb.1118 roty is an individual award
@joshb.1118
@joshb.1118 7 ай бұрын
​@@M0IVD0yes. An individual basketball award, not a 1v1 award. The two plays where Wenby went at Chet were impressive but one was a clear offensive foul and the was 50/50 call. The fact that Chet ended up snipping from the outside is just as impactful though not as highlight worthy. You could argue that Wenby didn't (or couldn't) cover Chet in the perimeter. If he goes out, the cutting and driving lanes are open. If he doesn't, it's a three. The whole 1v1 narrative is childish.
@felipebrunetta2106
@felipebrunetta2106 7 ай бұрын
One step to dunk from the free throw line btw.
@thugtrippin
@thugtrippin 7 ай бұрын
Chet is set to become an all star, Wemby is something else
@zakil25
@zakil25 7 ай бұрын
They're both talented and both well headed and competitive, if they heek improving they'll push each other's to all time status.
@TurboGauchiste
@TurboGauchiste 7 ай бұрын
One is in the road to be the next superstar the others are a very great role player. The first is french the second is American
@shorewall
@shorewall 7 ай бұрын
Lol, Wemby is gonna waste his prime on bad teams. Wemby is putting up good stats on a bad team. And Chet is gonna win a chip as at least the second best player.
@MrTenInHell
@MrTenInHell 7 ай бұрын
This is what Hakeem vs Robinson, KG vs Dirk felt like back in the day. Hopefully they are all time greats as well.
@TheChessRunner
@TheChessRunner 7 ай бұрын
I am curious how high do you rate them in the 21st century of rookies? I find that more interesting than comparing them( which is impossible because the different situation)
@lilyrubyify
@lilyrubyify 7 ай бұрын
I really like this rivalry. There’s no excessive amount of shit talking. None of that big ego speeches in interviews. Just two young, extremely skilled bigs that’s extra competitive when playing against each other.
@JakeEpooh
@JakeEpooh 7 ай бұрын
I have to admit, I'm very impressed with Wembanyama's intelligence. It's his brain that will make him great. I mean, yeah, his physical tools are special, but there are lots of amazing athletes who don't fully pan out because of the mental side of the game. Joe Alexander, anyone?
@easternautumnleaf
@easternautumnleaf 7 ай бұрын
This video deserves to be uploaded to the main channel 👀
@SarkisAlexander
@SarkisAlexander 7 ай бұрын
Interesting to me how you didn’t mention the two times Wemby outright rejected Chet. Would have been 3x too
@jomm7671
@jomm7671 7 ай бұрын
Anything Chet can do, Wemby can do better. Chet is just obviously on a better team but skill-wise, Wemby's on a different level. Both are insane unicorns though and will take over the league for sure!
@dweejeshnaik303
@dweejeshnaik303 7 ай бұрын
I understand the comparison due to similar archetypes, but comparing their skills and talent is downright an insult to Wemby. As a 20 yo he's battling against the top players in the league and holding his own. Chet is a great talent, but man Victor is the GUY
@t4d0W
@t4d0W 7 ай бұрын
As interesting it is to note Wemby's IQ, Spurs trust his acumen to run the offense through him. So with all those reps he's going to be aware where his teammates at least should be given the situation. Just like in 2:45 where Wemby defends the close out on a smaller shooter then starts booking it to the other side. Because when a teammate gets the defensive rebound, he's already at the other side cross matched in transition with a smaller player! This is how the Sixers get Embiid easy baskets in transition. No knock on Chet's IQ either when he can play make in transition and read/navigate screens on defense well for his age. Since his shooting is instrumental for the Thunder's ability to space.
@isayu9242
@isayu9242 7 ай бұрын
Bro actually have the bag of KD, Jokic and Giannis at the same time at 19 years old, man the 2030s gonna be fun
@1O1O11
@1O1O11 7 ай бұрын
I think I am the only person in the world who doesn't like this rivalry or the way it seems to be artificially pushed on us by the media... I like both players, and think they both deserve the respect of not being compared or forced into the same category. Victor Wembanyama is doing great things with very little to work with on his team. He is making great defensive plays despite being on one of the worst defenses in the NBA. He has more future potential than anyone in the NBA. He is the only reason anyone actually watches that team... Chet Holmgren is on the 100% opposite side of the NBA spectrum. His team is the #1 seed in the West and he is having to make game altering decisions when OKC is down 2 points in the last minute of a game against some of the best teams in the NBA. He is in a position where he has to decide between being confident in his own shot as a rookie, or getting the ball back to SGA or Jalen Williams to take that final shot. A shot that could determine if his team is a #1 seed or a #3 seed. You can't compare these two mindsets. One player has 3 defenders on him but can take any shot he wants because nobody cares if they lose 10 games in a row. The other has to defer to a legitimate MVP caliber player in games that control the standing of the NBA. Lets just enjoy both of them individually and forget about those horrible blowout games when the two teams actually met...
@joshb.1118
@joshb.1118 7 ай бұрын
💯 agree.
@LoganNagol
@LoganNagol 7 ай бұрын
I mean they have been getting compared to each other for years. Way before nba media started covering them
@1O1O11
@1O1O11 7 ай бұрын
Just because people have been annoying for a long time doesn't make them right.@@LoganNagol
@dxbgaming4813
@dxbgaming4813 7 ай бұрын
I'm just thinking right now, will Chet still be like this if he did play last season? I mean he looks better than Banchero right now in terms of rookie performance but did resting helps him to be better?
@sp123
@sp123 7 ай бұрын
Chet had the same game in college, this is how he plays basketball
@jdw5706
@jdw5706 7 ай бұрын
It’s a lot of fun and really cool to witness but tbh, I don’t think it’s that close. To me, Victor is a superior player and prospect by a good margin. Chet is fantastic but Wemby is generational.
@tomleslie6565
@tomleslie6565 7 ай бұрын
Excited to see Chet's development in the future. Having wemby as a rival is gonna make both of them way better as the years go by
@RuthlessVibesBB
@RuthlessVibesBB 7 ай бұрын
Lol
@Grumpygrumpygrumpy
@Grumpygrumpygrumpy 7 ай бұрын
This is like Ovi and Sid NBA version lol
@markohm1949
@markohm1949 7 ай бұрын
What is the purpose of the white pants/tights/leggings/wraps that Chet/Wemby and a few other players are wearing? Compression? Tattoo coverage?
@barryballer
@barryballer 7 ай бұрын
Chet had the better start... but the inevitable happened for Wemby. He's insane.
@CptMonstar
@CptMonstar 7 ай бұрын
SUCKS THAT THEY’RE BOTH IN THE WEST, WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM IN THE FINALS
@Simon-mj1im
@Simon-mj1im 7 ай бұрын
i do hope they will still show fierce competetion between them and never show some friendly accolades and shit. I want them to retire and eventually be friends and appreciate the competition they had going on
@raylxh1925
@raylxh1925 7 ай бұрын
Just some random thoughts, but I kinda considered wemby to be the taller, hypermodern version of tim duncan. Might have something to do with the fact that he is playing on spurs. By taller, hyper modern version of tim duncan, im referring to the general impact rather than the particular skillset. Even then, assuming tim duncan is born in the 2000's instead of the 70's, who knows if timmy can master the same kind of skillset as wemby.
@hiawathasbrother
@hiawathasbrother 7 ай бұрын
This is going to be a phenomenal decade-long rivalry. When these guys are both in their sixth year and have each added 40 pounds of muscle they should team up.
@Max-kw2hp
@Max-kw2hp 7 ай бұрын
40 pounds of muscles would be detrimental to both of them (game and healthwise).
@hiawathasbrother
@hiawathasbrother 7 ай бұрын
@@Max-kw2hpI've thought about this and I am well aware that your perspective has become the conventional wisdom over the last few years. Apparently people think it will make them injury prone and slower. But I disagree. First of all, these guys are young. Wembanyama just turned 20. They would naturally probably add 20 pounds of weight just by continuing to grow up and fully mature into their bodies. But by carefully planned bone-density-building and muscle-building exercise regimens they can add a lot of strength and explosiveness and weight without adding a lot of bulk. It's a pretty good rule of thumb that when it comes to athletics, it helps to be strong.
@shorewall
@shorewall 7 ай бұрын
@@hiawathasbrother Yeah, look at Giannis. I think that is what they should strive for.
@goldnarms435
@goldnarms435 7 ай бұрын
Fellow hoopheads, We are going to be blessed to have these two dudes going at it for the next 15 years.
@t4d0W
@t4d0W 7 ай бұрын
Count your blessings. Durability is always a concern for bigs and few ever make it to 30 and beyond with the ability to play a full season.
@spagettifork8916
@spagettifork8916 7 ай бұрын
If wemby made that dunk at 5:50 there would be no RoTY race
@AlphaDwg
@AlphaDwg 7 ай бұрын
both these guys are cold. Must see TV
@princemjbp695
@princemjbp695 7 ай бұрын
5:46 This is what I don't really get about the NBA. They introduced a "flopping" rule to lessen it, but won't call this obvious of a push off unless the defender sells it by falling to the ground. I mean come on now.
@moreTB
@moreTB 7 ай бұрын
This is something I'd like to investigate!
@quantum_beeb
@quantum_beeb 7 ай бұрын
“Wemby snatches the rebound over the little kids” 😂
@cliffwoodbury5319
@cliffwoodbury5319 7 ай бұрын
how do you expect a rivalry when wemby is allowed to truck over chet with no calls. That first one was tech worth because he just didn't press his choulder into him where there was already contact, he jabbed his shoulder into him football style.
@njrogas
@njrogas 7 ай бұрын
Wemby is on a different planet. Chet is great but they are not the same.
@Teenieweeniemussolini
@Teenieweeniemussolini 7 ай бұрын
God please let these two have healthy careers
@Convisis
@Convisis 7 ай бұрын
It’s crazy to think Wemby has legit Jokic potential except that he might be able to run more pick and roll up top. He’s still raw but he really has everything anyone could ever need.
@mitchisreal
@mitchisreal 7 ай бұрын
@7:50 is the closest we'll see a real-life alien vs predator. 🤣
@Solomon11777
@Solomon11777 7 ай бұрын
I don’t watch basketball for a week I come back vic is playing point guard 😂
@GustavoSilva-ny8jc
@GustavoSilva-ny8jc 7 ай бұрын
I think ben has a huge b0ner for tall long players. But that was an exciting match up out of fiction, i cant remember the last i saw so many unusual plays with players having their own show down so got me hyped in a while.
@GO-FYT
@GO-FYT 7 ай бұрын
OKC trades all their picks for Wemby? 😂🥵
@moreTB
@moreTB 7 ай бұрын
This is the dream
@ClanVirtuality1
@ClanVirtuality1 7 ай бұрын
Where do u see a battle lmao, Wembanyama is just soooo much better
@sidney1234usc
@sidney1234usc 7 ай бұрын
Wemby is playing 1 on 5 out there his other 4 teammates offer nothing so of course chet is about to get the block. Hell just look at the paint every one on OKC was down there with him.
@NuclearCarnivore
@NuclearCarnivore 7 ай бұрын
That number 10 guy @ 1:05 is definitely kicking Holmgren
@Goonboycano103
@Goonboycano103 7 ай бұрын
Chet is special , but Wemby is something else entirely .
@straightguy8384
@straightguy8384 7 ай бұрын
"Tallest point guard in nba history" bruhh😂😂💀💀
@lukaslambs5780
@lukaslambs5780 7 ай бұрын
Seeing them duke is out was like watching Eren and Armin fight as Colossal Titans
@moreTB
@moreTB 7 ай бұрын
Spoilers!
@GustavoSilva-ny8jc
@GustavoSilva-ny8jc 7 ай бұрын
This is gonna blew up
@ujjwalkumar2468
@ujjwalkumar2468 7 ай бұрын
I used to think that it's a fake channel ! 😂
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