Were Byzantines Roman or Greek? - Lars Brownworth

[@brennusduxgallorum]

Someone have to inform those guys that the term Roman was officially used EXCLUSIVELY by ethnic Greeks, who considered themselves as the only heirs of Rome, and the new "owners" of the empire. so the title of the video is kinda stupid. The Byzantine empire can be considered as "the Roman empire of Greeks".

[@pasal99]

@Sniper franks were romans ? Saxon , normans were called romans ?

[@NYorksElcapitan]

Why were saxons and Norman's called Roman's

[@mememachine6022]

@@pasal99 saxons and normans where never part of the roman empire pls use your brain pls

[@pasal99]

@@mememachine6022 The top comment says that every Christian was called roman at a time Also my comment was sarcastic Use your brain smartass

[@charadradam9985]

@@pasal99 its a different thing and these were far away from the marrige that happened here.. we have terms of the word greek in every era.. byzantines called themselves greek or graeci or romioi and the italians were called latins and italians.. the byzantines called the other armenias, serbs, bulgars, franks , italians.. so?? also , on sentence from the last word constantine palaiologos from lakonia -- καταφυγιο των χριστιανων, χαρα και ελπιδα ολων των ελληνων΄΄ (refered to constantinople) ;; refugee of all christians, hapiness and hope of all the hellenes.. 1453 .. also no other people uses the byzantium history as theirs.. the italians have nothing to do with that and anyone else. it has as connection have the holy roman empire. where they romans too??? what you mean romans? the citizenship the priviledge or the ethnicity?? you know nothing.. in the songs of greece, in culture, in the common memory, in the populations that were still there untill 1922 and 1955, there are greeks. greeks fought against turks italians and franks during the middle ages.

[@hellenicmacedonianpatriot2866]

Why the Byzantine empire was a Greek empire The Byzantine empire was the ark of the ancient Greek knowledge, the empire had a Greek character, while the official language was the Greek from the 7th century AD. The name Hellas and Graecia never stopped to be mentioned both in Byzantine and Western documents, While the theme of Hellas was founded at 687 AD. For the eastern people the Eastern Roman empire was considered as a Greek empire. For the Armenians, Georgians and other people of the near and middle east the byzantines were called as yoni, Javan and yavani, which means Greeks. In many islamic sources the Byzantine empire is also called Ighrigiyah and yunaniyun. In one passage of the history of Ibn Zabala which was written at 814 AD it is mentioned that the king of the Greeks sent to Αl-Walid help, for the reconstruction of Mohamed's mosque in Medina. The Arab historian and Geographer Ali al-Mascuch reffering to the period of Emperor Romanus Lekapenus and his policy, he characterizes the empire as homeland of the Greeks and the emperor as king of the Greeks. Al-Tabari calls the Byzantine emperor as lord of the Greeks.At the same period , the Arab geographer Shams ad Din, also known and as Mukaddasi, writes "we will exclude now the description of Tarsus city and its periphery because for now is at the hand of the Greeks".Tarsus was capured by Emperor Nikiphorus Phokas at 965 AD. For Pope Gregory the great, Gregory of Tours, Isidore of Seville, Liutprand of Cremona, Paul the Deacon the chronicler of the lombards, wiliam of Tyre and many others the eastern Roman empire was Greek and all the western documents call the empire as Imperium Graecorum which means a Greek empire. Leo the Mathematecian (790-870 AD) calls himself a Greek through one of poems with the title"To myself who is called Greek" And he describes himself as a modest person who doesnt desire fame or riches. Already from the 11th century Anna Comnene ("The Alexiad") uses the name Greeks as a national identification for the people of the empire. Anna Comnene "The Alexiad" Nicetas Choniates insisted on using the name "Hellenes", he states that he cannot continue in writting history, which is one of the greatest inventions of Hellenism and he stressed out the outrages attacks of the "Latins" against the "Hellenes" in the Peloponessus. Nicetas Choniates, "The Sack of Constantinople", 9 '¦Å, Bonn, pp.806 Emperor John III Ducas Vatatzes (1192-1254 AD), wrote in a letter to Pope Gregory IX about the wisdom that "rains upon the Hellenic nation"and states that Constantine's heritage was passed on to the Hellenes, so he argued, and they alone were its inheritors and successors. John Vatatzes, "Unpublished Letters of Emperor John Vatatzes", Athens I, pp.369--378, (1872) Theodore II Lascaris (1222-1258), was eager to project the name of the Greeks with true nationalistic zeal. He made it a point that "the Hellenic race looms over all other languages" and that "every kind of philosophy and form of knowledge is a discovery of Hellenes... What do you, O Italian, have to display?" Theodore Lascaris, "Christian Theology", 7,7 & 8 In the 14th cent AD Nikolaos Kavasilas calls Greeks the scholars of Thessaloniki, and the city as "house of Hellenism". Nicephorus Blemmydes referred to the Byzantine emperors as Hellenes. Theodore Alanias (in 1204) wrote in a letter to his brother that "the homeland may have been captured, but Hellas still exists within every wise man". Nicephorus Blemmydes, "Pertial narration", 1, 4 Theodore Alanias, "PG 140, 414" The neo-platonic philosopher George Gemistos Plethon (15th cent AD) stated "We are Hellenes by race and culture". George Gemistus Plethon, "Paleologeia and Peloponessiaka", pp.247 The scholar, teacher, and translator, John Argyropoulos (15th cent AD) calls John VIII Palaiologos as a Greek king and addresses him as "Sun King of Hellas". Makrides, Vasilios (2009). Hellenic Temples and Christian Churches: A Concise History of the Religious Cultures of Greece from Antiquity to the Present. New York, New York: New York University Press. Two days before the fall of Consantinople the Emperor Constantine Paleologos calls the city as "The joy and hope of all Greeks". Sphrantzes, George (1477). The Chronicle of the Fall. The Byzantine empire was a Greek empire, an empire which lasted over 1000 years. romans are the desendends of the trojans and were guided by AINEAS an ancient greek into the italian penisela were the founded the city of rome if i remember correctly at 475 bc\ 2/3 of their population were outsiders and those outsiders were mostly greek their ruling class was originaly roman but later on they mixed with greek families they were thinking themselves are romans and only romans (exactly like all the other greeks before the persian wars) the hellenic kigdom of macedonia united most of greece but the west was still city states rome was a greco-latin-etruscun kigdom until the carhidonian wars were the etruscans faded and became the same with the romans the greeks of the east when they were conquered by the romans kept their identity while the western nations that were unter their rule changed their identity and called themselves romans and became christians because the best jobs were given to romans that were christians greeks remained greeks until the romans made the name greek lose its true meaning.. they said that greek means pagan but the greeks still kept their identity...how? they called themselves NOT ROMAN but ROMIOI when the west part of the empire collapsed romioi doesnt mean roman it means those who continue the roman traditions (therefore NOT ROMAN) they did that when the emperor was Heraclitus of byzantium (he was greek and at that time the greeks changed the name to romioi to show respect to the romans since they got their empire) but the byzantine empire after heraclitus wasnt roman anymore it belonged to the romioi (greek) all south eastern europeans armenians arabs persians and russians called the byzantines greeks!! even the turks ask them who they conquered did they fought with romans??? NO THEY CONQUERED THE GREEKS but they didnt conquer an empire they conquered a destroyed nation after the betrayal of the western europeans to conclude romans are trojans therefore greeks but they mixed with latins other greeks and etruscans making them something more than greek so they can not be called greeks only but in the same time they arent italians only they are greco-latins the roman empire was roman of course but after the collapse of the west it became GRECO-ROMAN and after heraclitus all the emperors were greeks to name a few john vatatzis basil the bulgar slayer heraclitus chonstantine all the cretan dynasty all the macedonian dynasty the rulling class of the empire of trebizond the rulling class of the despotate of epirus and the emperors of the empire of nicea FROM HERACLITUS TO THE LAST EMPEROR ALL GREEK! plus greek language culture studies ideas look at history look at the legion even their way of fighting was greek until they beated the carthegenians they fought exaclty like the other greeks MACEDONIA AND BYZANTIUM ARE 2 GREATEST GREEK EMPIRES to be contiued...

[@hellenicmacedonianpatriot2866]

romios is not roman romios is those who continue the roman traditions romaios=roman romios=greek my people were refering themselves as romioi since 1835 WE ARE ROMIOI WE ARE THE BYZANTINES SEARCH THE LETTER THAT EMPEROR JOHN VATATZIS SENT TO POPE GREGORY IX HE ADMITS HE AND HIS PEOPLE ARE GREEKS! AND MANY OTHER EMPERORS AFTER HERACLITUS ROMAN EMPIRE=ITALIAN BYZANTIUM=GREEK

[@hellenicmacedonianpatriot2866]

no they weren't pederasts they weren't idol-worshipers in fact there were ancient greek monotheist like hermes the trismegistos orpheas and many philosophers that believed in one god the ancients didn't worship stone they worshipped gods that thought they were really but if you search how much christianity was influenced by greeks you will understand that the greeks were closer to christ than the jews themselves thats why jesus said to some greeks that went there to see him he said this is the time for the son of man to be glorified hellas is the only nation that is human without doubt greeks have minds and understand science plus in bible in the 7 empires the greek macedonian empire and the roman empire are seen as one southern italians have greek dna and many romans too since many of the first romans started from arxaia and arcadia and troy but mixed with the latins and etruscuns and i am not saying that byzantium isn't the eastern half of the roman empire i am just saying that most of its emperor after heraclius (heraclitus in greek) are greeks in origin romios means greek and romaios means roman the byzantines said they are romioi they were orthodox not catholic like the latins the latins attacked the byzantines if they were latins too they wouldn't and john vatatzis says he is greek and many other emperors after heraclius the last emperor chonstantinos palaiologos also calls the city as the defence and hope of all greeks you know why most of the emperors didn't say publicly that they are greeks? because byzantium had 40 million people and more than 10 million were foreigners maybe even 20 million if someone would go out and say that he is greek there would be a devide with the other ethnicities and conflict would arise plus greek ment pagan to most and it felt like blasphemy saying he is pagan emperors didn't say they were greek they said that they were romioi but i told you before that romioi means greek we were using it for many years after our independence and same people also use it today the previus emperors said they are greeks through the word romioi because simply hellene ment pagan later tho they just said they are christian hellenes there were some philosophers and other citizens that said they are hellenes but everyone understood that they were pagan while they were orhodox it is a very complicated topic the point is that today's greeks are both byzantines and greeks byzantium is a legacy closer to us than the italians because our ansestors were the ones who lived here not yours we are carriyng the orthodox byzantine legacy i don't have a hate to romans and i am not saying byzantium isn't roman i am just saying that its more greek than roman most agree in this calling it a greco-roman empire but however you call it byzantines because they lived there they are our ansestors the ones calling themselves greeks now are desendents of the ancient greeks but their ansestors called themselves romioi in the byzantine era they had key potitions in the nation and most emperors were our ansestors there are people with their surnames still walking here even if its only roman 1/2 of the romans had greek dna in them its just stupid calling byzantium more italian than greek its the other way around

[@saudiumayyadempire9247]

Bullshit. There is no historian called "Ibn Zabala" you made it up !!

[@saudiumayyadempire9247]

All the Islamic sources called Byzantines : al-Rum which means the Romans.

[@aleksk4151]

It's a Greco-Roman empire

[@juliaagnello1302]

in Italy, in Rome, the Byzantine empire is known as the first LARPER in History

[@John-el.]

Basically it was the Roman empire of greeks

[@John-el.]

@@ΜΕΓΑΤΟΤΗΣΘΑΛΑΣΣΗΣΚΡΑΤΟΣ-ω1δ thats the most unclear comment ive ever seen, the greek is an evoving term that ment different things over time and for different people, even the definition of Greek today is a big talk itself, with ethnic Greeks being of medieval Roman descent and concusness, i could speak more about how they saw themselves as both the continuation of Roman and Geek legacy , how important was and how they and how they defended both or their united legacy from the western pretenders, but im sure you are a lot more interested in the ancient Greeks and their ideal civilization and forgeting how over time they all became the medieval Romans and then the modern Greeks

[@GrecoByzantine1821]

The ethnic Greeks genetically never dissapeared and never massively replace d by Latin Roman settlers. What you claim have no sense. They always constituted the vast majority of the people of modern day Greece, Cyprus, Pontus,South Albania,South Italy and Sicily,East Rumelia and Coastal Bulgaria, Crimea and Eastern Minor Asia and never being massively genocided and replaced by Latin Romans. Eastern Roman Empire was Roman ONLY by name and not by its ethinicity, language and culture everything was mainly Hellenic or other Anatolian native tribes. It's like you call Roman the Holy Roman Empire while everyone knows that it was Germanic by race,language and culture and Roman ONLY by its name!

[@Demoesceptico2]

Were Byzantines Roman or Greek? Both of them. They were the Greeks, but now with Roman citizenship. The Greeks were the direct heirs of the Roman Empire during the Middle Ages, just as the Romans were the heirs of the Greeks and their culture in the Antiquity. The Greek element (the Greek people and their culture, language, etc.) took over the Eastern Roman Empire when the West Roman Empire fell. Byzantium, the Eastern Roman Empire, was the Greek people and their soul in a "Roman body". Constantinople was the Greek Rome. (IS the Greek Rome, the imperial city of the Greeks, the historical imperial capital of the Greeks for 1000 years, under Turkish occupation since 1453).

[@evangelosmingas4716]

Finally someone who says the truth

[@keyos1955]

They were not Greek. Absolutely not. Part of them didn't know about the Greek identity and the term Greek was associated just with pagans for centuries. THe consciousness of Greek ethnicity started after the 4th crusade, at the end of the Byzantine EMpire and the Greeks also referred to them as Romans. They were not even the ruler of the ERE

[@DivineHellas]

@@keyos1955 They absolutely we’re Greek since they were Romans. And they were Romans because they were Greeks.

[@keyos1955]

@@DivineHellas You are confusing the culture, Greco/Roman, because it was the Roman culture that had many influences with Greek culture, with the identity and political structure, that was only Roman. They were a Roman civilization with much Greek culture

[@billmp03]

​@@keyos1955 My friend the roman empire was Hellenized after the romans conquered greece. The elites of that period spoke ancient greek . The teachers were mainly greek . Greece was idolized in ancient rome.If u notice there weren't any greek emperors until Constantine the great so that the empire doesn't fall into greek authority. When it did , and the capital changed to Constantine the empire the main language spoken was greek. The political authority fell into greek hands. If anything the roman empire was way more greek than it was latin in many ways. Also culturally the Greeks were considered superior to the latins.

[@Hellenic1234]

The Byzantine Empire Was Greek. “From the time of Herodotus to about the Age of Constantine, they (Greeks) described themselves as ‘Hellenes’ (Ellines), as they have also done since the nineteenth century, but for the entire period in between they used the term ‘Romans’ (Romanoi, Rhomoi), in the sense that they identified with the Hellenized part of the Roman Empire and its legacy.”

[@keyos1955]

You are absolutely clueless about history. Anyway, who cares? All modern historians know that it was only Roman

[@DivineHellas]

@@keyos1955 The Byzantine Empire was very Greek therefore very Roman and very Roman therefore very Greek. The Roman civilization and world was Hellenic and Latin hence the term “Graeco-Roman” How hard can it be for people to understand? People today are so clueless about ancient history it’s really sad.

[@GrecoByzantine1821]

@@keyos1955 The ethnic Greeks genetically never dissapeared and never massively replace d by Latin Roman settlers. What you claim have no sense. They always constituted the vast majority of the people of modern day Greece, Cyprus, Pontus,South Albania,South Italy and Sicily,East Rumelia and Coastal Bulgaria, Crimea and Eastern Minor Asia and never being massively genocided and replaced by Latin Romans. Eastern Roman Empire was Roman ONLY by name and not by its ethinicity, language and culture everything was mainly Hellenic or other Anatolian native tribes. It's like you call Roman the Holy Roman Empire while everyone knows that it was Germanic by race,language and culture and Roman ONLY by its name!

[@angelosdaresis1477]

"The Byzantine empire was clearly, despite its multinational dimension, a GREEK empire while its neighbours considered it so, and whose unity was based on the power of authority, in the dominance of Orthodoxy and the use of Greek as the official language." Sylvain Gouguenheim, "La gloire des Grecs", 2017, pp. 72,73

[@neuromancerXL]

The Byzantine Empire was the continuation of the Roman Empire, but it was mostly populated with Greeks, and its language, culture and traditions were rooted in Greek and Greek Orthodox Christianity. As the Empire declines, the last remaining lands were of the Greeks, who finally fell in 1453 after 1000 years of war.

[@jaxnabra1557]

You're really wrong. It was Constantine's initial vision to create a new Roman empire. However later on in life he had changed his mind. He adopted the Christian ways, (got baptised on his deathbed) and desired to create a new Greco-Roman empire mostly Greek. After his death the Empire adopted Greek as its formal language, was inhabited by Greeks, they only spoke Greek vernacular which became later on evolved into a semi ancient greek language (the same language you'd hear in a Greek orthodox mass) Throughout its existence Byzantium became an essential part of Hellenism and totally distinguished its position from Rome. Youll find in multiple Byzantine texts referring to Romans as "infidels", "Latinoi" :the Latins or "Fragkoi" : Francs. They adopted the term "Romios" to distinguish from the "pagan" Greeks. But Romios is a synonym to greek. Greeks still use it sometimes. "Romiosini" for instance means the Greek Nationality in the medieval Greek vernacular. I'm a historian so I've spent many years studying the history of Byzantium. It really annoys me when people oversimplify and deny historical facts.

[@keyos1955]

@@jaxnabra1557 You didn't say one correct thing

[@paulgentile1024]

It was not mostly populated by Greeks !!..Greek was the main language yes..

[@b-3127]

Yes, they Byzantine Empire was Greek therefore Roman, The Roman civilization and it’s world was Greek-Latin. Quite funny how this can be so complicated to understand, especially for a “historian”...

[@georgepantzikis7988]

It's not difficult to understand for a historian. What is difficult to understand for most people uneducated in history is that social constructs of the present are not eternal and, even if two people use the same word, the meaning behind it doesn't remain the same over a span of 2 thousand years. When Aristotle thought of himself as a Greek, he did not have the same idea as someone living in the Eastern Roman Empire, and still different is the Greek identity developed in the 19th century under the Ottoman Empire. The Eastern Roman Empire was not meaningfully Greek in any way pertinent to the present day. It was the multicultural remnant of the Roman Empire, which during its final 150-200 years of existence took extensive influence from Classical Greek philosophy and literature. How on Earth people see this influence, taken by one Empire from certain aspects of a civilisation over a thousand years prior to it, and connect it to an ethnic identity that now exists on the same piece of land, which never existed before the 19th century, a thousand years later, is beyond me.

[@angelosdaresis1477]

"With the collapse of the empire in the west, its eastern counterpart became, in reality, an entirely new and independent state, at once Greek by language and Roman in name: 'A Greek Roman empire'." Roderick Beaton, "The Greeks: a global history", New York: Basic books 2021, pp. 212

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

FACTS 💯 ".. *whether someone calls us Hellenes or Romans, that is what we are* and *we safeguard the succession of Alexander* and that of those after him .." *-Manuel Chrysoloras* *[Exhortation on behalf of the Genus]* «.. *Ἕλληνας βούλοιτό τις λέγειν εἴτε Ῥωμαίους, ἡμεῖς ἐσμὲν ἐκεῖνοι καὶ τὴν Ἀλεξάνδρου* δὲ καὶ τῶν μετ’ ἐκείνων *ἡμεῖς σώζομεν διαδοχήν* ..» *-Μανουήλ Χρυσολωράς* *[Παρακίνησις ὑπὲρ τοῦ Γένους]*

[@resusdaskalos7956]

>National Identities are a modern notion, people belonged to cities >Byzantines called themselves Roman pick one, doesn't make sense that Byzantines thought they weren't Greek and they suddenly called themselves Greek again after the Revolution.

[@TagmatonDomestikon]

They were Romanized Greeks.

[@shadowrealm8014]

So the empire was made of Greeks but their nationality was roman . Kinda like how the Holly ran empire was ..their identity was German mostly I believe and their nationality was roman empire.. huh!

[@gayeagleberkut4775]

No. Look at genetic map of anatolia in 1000s.

[@GrecoByzantine1821]

@@gayeagleberkut4775 Look at the genetic map of modern Turkey. Turks have maximum only 6%real Turkic DNA, the rest consisted of turkified islamised Anatolians 🤫🤣

[@DivineHellas]

Western Scholar : Byzantium wasn’t Greek because it was Roman Also Western Scholar : Let’s do some Roman history and have a lecture on the GRAECO-Roman World

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Also Westerners: You people in the East are not Romans, you are IMPERIUM GRAECORUM 🤣

[@DivineHellas]

@@SpartanLeonidas1821Exactly 😂 😂

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

@@DivineHellas 🇬🇷✊🏻

[@DivineHellas]

@@SpartanLeonidas1821 Rome was Greek, Westerners refuses to admit this because then they couldn’t steal and claim the title for themselves, this goes far back in history since medieval times Charlemange and so on. There is no such thing as a Graeco-Roman world civilization or empire, it’s just the Roman one, and Rome was Greek, the Greek-Latin world = Rome and Latin btw was very Greek itself, Greece and Rome are not different things, this is all just western doctrine and western propaganda.

[@juliaagnello1302]

Byzantine Roman is transvestism, "I thought I am". Here in Italy we laugh when a conquered Greek thinks he is a Roman.

The byzantine empire was the Christian Roman state of the Greek nation(Ranciman).It become as Roman but it quickly became a Greek empire because of the Greek nation,language,culture and education.

[@angelosdaresis1477]

"In his »Comparison of the Old and the New Rome«, addressed to emperor Manuel II Palaiologos (1391-1425), Manuel Chrysoloras presented Rome as the mother and Constantinople as the daughter which was founded by the two most powerful and wise peoples of the world, the Romans and the Hellenes, who had come together there in order to create a city that would be able to rule over the whole world. In a sermon to the same emperor, he stated that the Rhomaioi were the offspring of the Romans and the Hellenes, thus being ENTITLED TO USE BOTH NAMES. Yannis Stouraitis, pp. 86-87, "Reinventing Roman Ethnicity in High and Late Medieval Byzantium" medieval worlds • No. 5 • 2017 • 70-94

[@gayeagleberkut4775]

comment section is full of greek fire

[@philopatoron9598]

Bulgarians and Serbians were reffered as Sclavenoi not Romaoi, also the Armenians were not called Romaoi.

[@PaxiKaksi]

I want to ask where he gathered the information form ? Also is language really the thing that determines your origin ?

[@stamk4929]

The language is the most important ingredient in identifying someone's origins, besides religion and culture even to this day. All these three ingredients were Greek in the Byzantine empire, and as far as the culture was concerned it was inherited to Modern Greece!!!

[@charadradam9985]

no its the sources that show the different use of the term romioi and greek during all the ages of the roman empire. and is not a straight line. also yes, if the majority of the people spoke latin, the emperor would have not change the language into some else when nobody talks it. its like you change the official language from latin to greek in the italian peninsula.

[@iuiu8831]

@@stamk4929 haha you say it yourself because the language was ALBANIAN LANGUAGE. They call Omerik greek but it is ALBANIAN almost 90% similar to ALBANIAN LANGUAGE today and nothing like modern Greek. Enough lied yourself and the world . Homer wrote in PELASGIAN ALBANIAN LANGUAGE

[@GrecoByzantine1821]

@@iuiu8831 ahahahhahahhahahahahhhahahhahahaahahahahahahhahahahahaaaahahhahahahahaah Homer wrote in Albanian? Ahahahahhahaahaahahahah Homer wrote in Albanian? Aaaaaaaaahahahhahahahhahaha🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣aaaaaahahahahmpouaaaaaahhahhahaha🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TagmatonDomestikon]

When it comes to their ethnicity they were Hellenic but they would have considered themselves Roman because the Byzantine Empire was of course the Eastern Roman Empire.

[@brennusduxgallorum]

In all the empires there are people of different nationality (for example in Britain there are Scottish Welsh english etc or in Russia there are ukrainians Russians etc.) However Byzantine empire was a Greek empire because the predominant nationality was the Greeks, and Greeks used to self identify as Romans but didn't recognise inhabitants of Rome or generally any other non Greek as Roman.Moreover during the last years they used more and more the term Greek and Greece.

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

BIG FACTS !!! 💯 ".. *whether someone calls us Hellenes or Romans, that is what we are* and *we safeguard the succession of Alexander* and that of those after him .." *-Manuel Chrysoloras* *[Exhortation on behalf of the Genus]* «.. *Ἕλληνας βούλοιτό τις λέγειν εἴτε Ῥωμαίους, ἡμεῖς ἐσμὲν ἐκεῖνοι καὶ τὴν Ἀλεξάνδρου* δὲ καὶ τῶν μετ’ ἐκείνων *ἡμεῖς σώζομεν διαδοχήν* ..» *-Μανουήλ Χρυσολωράς* *[Παρακίνησις ὑπὲρ τοῦ Γένους]*

[@TheodosiosTziomakas]

You know Saint John the Chrysostom wrote the liturgy in Greek. The language of the Orthodox Church back then was Greek. Even then Turks when they are mocking us they say "Instabul since 1453".

[@PlethonGemistos]

Consider then how modern Greeks have invented Greek names for towns with, say, Slavic or Albanian names: Τρίπολη (it was Draboltsa), Ιωάννινα. And many others. Similarly, Turks made Greek names sound like Turkish. It happens in every language.

[@PlethonGemistos]

Justinian wrote laws in Greek (Νεαραί), even though he himself spoke Latin. Greek has been the language of the Greeks, of course, but also of the Roman Elite. The peasants spoke Latin. The learned ones spoke both.

[@keyos1955]

@@PlethonGemistos Justinian wrote in Latin. The Corpus Iuris Civilis was written in Latin

[@jasonivancontreras9340]

I suppose this is the natural evolution of ethnic labels first as just that ethnic labels or perhaps just as personal names for a very illustrious person, a hero or a patriarch, examples would be Israel to Israelites, Franko to Franks, Hellen to Hellenes. After it's ethnic phase it'll tend to just be a cultural or a more fitting word civilizational term

[@CHAS1422]

Does Lars have his own channel? I love his passion for the Byzantines. Has he ever seen the work of Antoine Helbert regarding Byzantine works of Architecture? The buildings of Constantinople What are his thoughts?

[@georgethanos7700]

The obvious error of that scholar is that modern Greeks still referring to themselves as Ρωμιοί (Romans). Are they? In fact Romios is the second most popular ethnonym for a Greek today (the first being Hellen). So back then they were referring to themselves as Romioi to take distances from their pagan past: Romios (Roman) ment the Christian Greek whilst Hellen the pagan Greek. By 600BC no Roman from Rome were left to the Empire and by 800BC every other European was calling them simply... Greeks.

[@maxriley3888]

I think you mean AD

[@TrojanConspiracy]

Emperors of Byzantine were always designating the Empire as "IMPERIUM ROMANUM" It was highly influenced by Greek culture but state was Roman origin. Some people trying to classify the empire as Greek Empire with some quotes. But it doesn't change the reality.

[@robertmccance7605]

Considering you used the Latin word for it deciphers it to be from perhaps the 4th to 6th century. Greek was the dominant language prior to that.

[@stamdom1429]

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[@Constantine_IA]

The Eastern Roman Empire was run by Greeks it was the predominant language and culture its like a football team like France in the 2018 World Cup that has 8/11 of its players from Africa but you still call them “France” its the same deal with the Byzantines.The big change came when Justinian translated all the legislation in Greek and made Greek the official language after that the Eastern Empire became totally Greek and developed a feud with the West(Schisms of 867 and 1054 plus the fall of Constantinople by the Crusaders in 1204).In 1453 the West avoided to help save Constantinople from the Ottomans ,as they didn’t consider the Greeks part of the Western World anymore and they demanded the unification of the two Churches and still after that they sent only their thoughts&prayers... Anyway Ancient Greeks never saw Romans as barbarians they even accepted them at the Olympic games.Rome was seduced by Greek culture and the Lights of the Classical era ,Cicero famously said “What is going on in this Greek City(Rome)” it was the hype of the time in Rome.The Aeniad was written to enhance the Greek origins of Rome and succeeded.Constantine the Great chose Byzantium as the new centre because he knew that the Greco-Roman Civilization would emerge(and for other geopolitical reasons) Constantine XI had a fucking National identity when he fought his last stand against the Turks in 1453 and by dying he gave birth to the Modern Greek National identity and State in 1832 ...fuck neomarxist intelligentsia bullshit narratives NATIONAL IDENTITY existed before the 18th century it existed since Homer who first wrote the word ΕΘΝΟΣ(ETHNOS)that means Nation.BYZANTIUM WAS GREECE.GREECE IS BYZANTIUM.Just visit Greece today and visit the 2500 Churches ⛪️ it's Byzantium 2.0

[@keyos1955]

Run by Greek?? Don't make me laugh, the majorities of Emperors were not even Greek by ethnicity. The Greek language was an official language of the Roman Empire. Justinian didn't made the Greek the official language, that was Heraclius

[@Constantine_IA]

@@keyos1955 Making the language of the legislation Greek was the final step to Hellenisation

[@keyos1955]

@@Constantine_IA No, the language used in those provinces for edicts was Greek since Augustus. Diocletian also made the edict of maximum prices in Greek. The Greek language was part of the Roman Empire, not an element of discontinuity. The Byzantines spoke Greek because Romans did

[@DivineHellas]

@@keyos1955 Doesn’t matter if some of the Emperors were Greek by blood, they for sure were Greeks by culture and civilization,

[@DivineHellas]

@@keyos1955 exactly... wich makes the Romans very Greek. Of course Byzantium was Roman, Because it was Greek.

[@Sira628]

was the holy roman empire german or roman ? :)

[@infantrytactics1233]

German, they don't have the legitmatchy and as far as I could tell they never bothered to call themselves Romans as a national Identity.

[@Sira628]

+Infantry tactics so byzantines were greek......

[@infantrytactics1233]

aris0978 In a technical sense both yes and no. Greek identity only became apparent during the waning years of the Empire under the Laskarids and the Palaiologoi.

[@hiukas.]

No

[@charadradam9985]

@@infantrytactics1233 charlemagne was kinf of romans from the pope.. what do tou mean?

[@enoughisenoughenough4037]

Aso their name was Romaioi not Romanoi, if you had ever read a text you would knew that mad history falisfier

[@LondonPower]

During most of the Middle Ages, the Byzantine Greeks self-identified as Rhōmaîoi (Ῥωμαῖοι, "Romans", meaning citizens of the Roman Empire), a term which in the Greek language had become synonymous with Christian Greeks. The Latinizing term Graikoí (Γραικοί, "Greeks") was also used, though its use was less common, and nonexistent in official Byzantine political correspondence, prior to the Fourth Crusade of 1204. While this Latin term for the ancient Hellenes could be used neutrally, its use by Westerners from the 9th century onwards in order to challenge Byzantine claims to ancient Roman heritage rendered it a derogatory exonym for the Byzantines who barely used it, mostly in contexts relating to the West, such as texts relating to the Council of Florence, to present the Western viewpoint. The ancient name Hellenes was synonymous to "pagan" in popular use, but was revived as an ethnonym in the Middle Byzantine period (11th century).while in the West the term "Roman" acquired a new meaning in connection with the Catholic Church and the Bishop of Rome, the Greek form "Romaioi" remained attached to the Greeks of the Eastern Roman Empire.The term "Byzantine Greeks" is an exonym applied by later historians like Hieronymus Wolf; "Byzantine" citizens continued to call themselves Romaioi (Romans) in their language.Despite the shift in terminology in the West, the Byzantines Empire's eastern neighbors, such as the Arabs, continued to refer to the Byzantines as "Romans", as for instance in the 30th Surah of the Quran (Ar-Rum). The signifier "Roman" (Rum millet, "Roman nation") was also used by the Byzantines' later Ottoman rivals, and its Turkish equivalent Rûm, "Roman", continues to be used officially by the government of Turkey to denote the Greek Orthodox natives (Rumlar) of Istanbul, as well as the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople (Turkish: Rum Ortodoks Patrikhanesi, "Roman Orthodox Patriarchate

[@stamk7196]

Did all the people in the Roman empire spoke all Latin? Of course not!There were Egyptians, Syrians, North Africans, Slavs, Greeks, Franks, Britons. Germanic tribes of all sorts etc. Did that make the Roman empire non-Roman? of course not!Did all the people of the Ottoman empire were Turks? Of course not!There were Arabs of all different types, Persians, Slavs, Greeks etc. in fact the Turks were also in the minority within the Moslems in the empire.Did that make the Ottoman empire non-Turkish? Absolutely not!The samething goes with the Byzantine empire, and by the way Romanoid means Roman-like, not real Roman! It is true that a lot of the traditions of the Romans were kept in the Byzantine empire, but that also didn't make them actual Romans either.

[@innosanto]

+stam k He didn't say romanoid. he said romanoi. roman-o-i.

[@TheMaskhadov]

+John The Byzantine Empire was a Roman Empire and refered to itself as roman. This is because they had been Roman Controlled since the fall of the Hellenic Kingdoms and had been Roman citizens a hundred years laters. It is nothing to do with Christanity although later the Byzantines would refer to themselves as either christians or Romans. When the Greek independence war broke out it was to reestablish the Byzantine Empire. The capital was supposed to be Constantinople but this failed. Although they spoke Greek after Justinian as the lingua franca they still seen themselves as Romans just like the Palmyran Empire or the Gallic Empire during the third century seen themselves as Roman it is only later nationalist who put other connotations upon these empires. The law that was followed was Roman law complied by Justinian and later turned into Greek much later. Even after the Emperors were greek speakers although some were not fluent greek speakers they would have seen it as an insult to be referred to as Emperor of the Greeks something Westerners did and it is the western biased which has survived to this day. The west tried to reclaim the Roman past to do this they had to ignore the surviving Roman Empire. Hence the word Byzantine which was never uttered by a Byzantine. The idea of the collapse of Rome being the western one is something still prevalant in Western education. I myself knew nothing of the Byzantines for a long time. Anyway this is not to demean the Greeks but it is usually best to treat historical figures as they seen themselves. So Septimus Severus a Punic man from north Africa seen himself as Roman as did Heraclius and Basil. They were Roman as they were citizens of Rome something they had been for centuries.

[@TheMaskhadov]

John It is basic, they refered to themselves as Roman. Any person studying outside the prism of greek nationalism knows this. If you don't care for the truth thats fine. Would you say that when Septimus Severus took over as Emperor the roman Empire was no more and it had become the Carthaginian Empire. Or Trajan And Hadrian the Spanish Empire. What of Constantine was it then the Illyrian Empire. They called themselves Romans as they are Romans. That doesn't mean you're a Roman as you are a Greek nor does it mean that you can't claim to be an heir to the Roman Empire. The funny thing is you are actually singing the western tune. So fine if you find it boring we in the west as we have done for centuries lay claim to the glory of Rome. While you shudder in your ruins wondering what giants once roamed in these lands.

[@TheMaskhadov]

John Not really a lot of the Emperors were Armenian although a number of them were from Asia minor. But then again ethnicity is a more modern concept and the Roman Emperor would not see himself as anything else but Roman. Which was not a race but a culture. Still it is the Roman Empire not the greek.

[@nicksofialakis1448]

+Charles McIntosh Byzantium is from the Thracian-Greek King-Byzas, it was and is an ancient Greek holy city 1200BC since the bronze age.Then, Great Alexander spread his Empire from Spain to India Africa Black sea and beyond, and finally the Romans. Emperor Constantine was more Greek than Roman. The Romans have always respected the Greeks and regarded them as superior race thus Constantine was calling himself Greek, he spoke Greek, he's intellectuals and most of his Generals where Greeks, so the Empire went from Greek-Macedonian to Roman and Greek again. Yes, there was lots of foreigners in Byzantium like Bulgars-Hans-Alens-Goths etc. and spoke their own lingo's but they where all Hired Armies, not citizens! The Byzantium consisted of 70% Greeks with 30% Hellenised Romans!!!

[@barthill9578]

This is like saying were the Apache, Cherokee or Indian? Romans are Greek but not all Greeks are from the Roman tribe.

[@DivineHellas]

Exactly

[@chriskw4362]

A Roman citizen at the time was basically a European citizen (member of EU) as we call ourselves today in this Neo - Holy Roman Empire. The Greeks conquered the Romans first with their culture, administration, law, etc. So to sum it up I will use the term they used back then. Romioi (Ρωμιοί) the people, Ro(h)mania (Ρωμανία) the empire. The Greeks lived by the Roman code. The Roman code was nothing new as it was the evolution of the Hellenic city-state. So in the end yes the Eastern Roman Empire was Greek as the Greeks were Romans.

[@gustavogiavierra5467]

Just won the debate ROMAN EMPIRE ROMA=ROMALEOS which is greek and mean strong

[@barthill9578]

the byzantines dont like the greek name, they are religios and very sensative about being called greek because it means pagan, hellene doesnt mean pagan, they would prefer to be called that or simply romans

[@brianfuller7691]

It's interesting that they still referred to themselves as Roman even when the Greek language and culture dominate. They were Romans until the fall of Constantinople but not Latins. The term Byzantine was not used until the fall of the Eastern Roman Empires. Until 620 C.E., Latin was still the official language.

[@DivineHellas]

It’s not interesting at all but quite obvious if u know the Roman history

[@tomasrazelo3271]

So what did the Byzantines call themselves? Romaioi - Romans. The elite were very touchy about this; in 968 envoys from the Pope were imprisoned for calling the emperor "Imperator Graecorum" rather than "Imperator Romanorum", and it derailed negotiations between the Holy Roman Empire and the Byzantines: "to increase my calamities, on the day of the Assumption of the Virgin Mary the holy mother of God (August 15), there came-an evil augury for me-envoys of the apostolic and universal pope John, through whom he asked Nicephorus ,the emperor of the Greeks " to close an alliance and firm friendship with his beloved and spiritual son Otto "august emperor of the Romans." Before the question as to why- this word, this manner of address, sinful and bold in the eyes of the Greeks, did not cost its bearer his life-why he was not annihilated before it was read, I, who, in other respects, have often shown myself enough of a preacher and with words enough at my command, seem dumb as a fish! The Greeks inveighed against the sea, cursed the waves, and wondered exceedingly how they had been able to transport such an iniquity end why the yawning deep had not swallowed up the ship. " Was it not unpardonable," they said, "to have called the universal emperor of the Romans, the august, great, only Nicephorus: "of the Greeks"';-a barbarian, a pauper: of the Romans'?"

[@jasonivancontreras9340]

The same thing happened with the word "Frank". At first it only designated a specific germanic ethnic group, but slowly with the rise of frankish(french) culture, it started to free itself from any ethnic meaning and just had a cultural one. Thus we read hear and see Arabs, Turks, Iranians, Indians and even Asians like the Chinese or from Southeast Asia calling Western Europeans, Franks or a variation of the word.

[@tomasrazelo3271]

The Greeks and Hellenistic people of that area were conquered by the Romans who later made the term Greek (Hellene) illegal because the Greeks were tied to Paganism and Rome became Christian. So those who saw themselves as Greek could not call themselves Greek and used the Greek word for Roman to say who they were. With the crusaders sacking Constantinople the Greeks started to use the term Greek (Hellene) a bit more. The Empire did have many non-Greeks as all Empires are multicultural by nature.

[@thomascaramela9699]

To quote Kaldellis, "Byzantines" were not a bunch of Greeks who thought themselves "Romans", but a bunch of Romans who happened to speak Greek.

[@stamk4929]

Mr. Kaldelis doesn't know what he is talking about! If they were a bunch of Romans why didn't they speak Latin like good genuine Romans ought to have been???

[@Sira628]

Happened? So modern greeks are just europeans who happened to speak greek.

[@mellake7052]

Correct @Thomas Caramela. Kaldellis, a Greek professor, also states that records were falsified and the term "Greek" was often placed were no such term existed to give the impression of everything being "Greek."

[@Мустафаиракский-я8ш]

Most of the Byzantine Dynasties were not Greeks until the 1050s A.D They were Illyrians , Tharcians , Armenians , Syrians , Arabs , etc The Greeks ruled it after the 1050s when the Empire was weak and small The population also was mostly not Greeks , they were Egyptians , Syrians , Arabs , Albanians , Bulgars , Slavs , Armenians , Berbers , Georgians etc as i say until Empire become weak and small the Greeks became the majority So the Emperors weren't Greeks , the Population was Majority not Greek , that means that the Empire was not a Greek Empire The Culture and Language was definitely Greek , the Byzantines were Greeks culturally but they are not Greeks ethnically .

[@mydogsbutler]

According to the Holy Roman empire the Holy Roman empire were the real Roman empire and the other Roman empire was really Greek.

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

".. *whether someone calls us Hellenes or Romans, that is what we are* and *we safeguard the succession of Alexander* and that of those after him .." *-Manuel Chrysoloras* *[Exhortation on behalf of the Genus]* «.. *Ἕλληνας βούλοιτό τις λέγειν εἴτε Ῥωμαίους, ἡμεῖς ἐσμὲν ἐκεῖνοι καὶ τὴν Ἀλεξάνδρου* δὲ καὶ τῶν μετ’ ἐκείνων *ἡμεῖς σώζομεν διαδοχήν* ..» *-Μανουήλ Χρυσολωράς* *[Παρακίνησις ὑπὲρ τοῦ Γένους]*

[@zaxosthegreek567]

The byzatiom was Greek not italian ...!first were orthodox like the today Greece ..! Second the italians did attack byzantium in 1204 and the are to many others proves that i cant write because is to many...!

[@zaxosthegreek567]

+Constantine Dragases Η αλήθεια για το Ελληνικο dna. Συμφωνα με ερευνα των πανεπιστημιων του Στανφορτ των ΗΠΑ και της παβιας της Ιταλιας αποδικτικαν τα εξηςσ. Το dna των Ελληνων δεν εχει επειρεασθει απο τους Σλαβους οπως ισχυριζιζονται ορισμενοι ουτε απο τουςσ τουρκους παρα τα 400 χρονια σκλαβιας! Ειναι γνησιο 99.5 % τα εκατο .!(τουλαχιστον μεχρη το 2011 που εγινε η ερευνα) Ιδιετερη σημασια εχει το γεγονοςσ οτι στην ερευνα δεν αποκαλιφθηκε μογγολικη προελευση dna στο dna των Ελληνων..! Αμα θες διαβασε και την ερευνα του καθηγητη Κωσταντινου Τριανταφυληδη και τησ ερευνητικής του ομαδας

[@zaxosthegreek567]

+Constantine Dragases Κοίτα σε μερικά εχεις δίκιο αλλά σε μερικά άλλα όχι 1ον Δεν μπορείς να λες ότι δεν έχουμε πολιτισμό (από τους αρχαίους) .Και μην τους σύγκρινης με τον σημερινό πολιτισμό αλλά με τον πολιτισμό της εποχής δηλαδή μπορης να τους σύγκρινης παράδειγμα με τους Περσες και να δεις τι πραγματικά πολιτισμό είχαμε (για να μην συγκρίνω την Αρχαία Ελλαδα με την Ευρωπη της εποχής που ήταν πολιτελία να ζει κάποιος σε κάνα δέντρο)Επείσης όταν οι Ρωμαίοι κατέκτησαν τους Έλληνες με τα όπλα η Έλληνες τους κατέκτησαν με το πνεύμα τους δηλαδή την φιλοσοφία τους και των πολιτισμό τους και έτσι οι Έλληνες δεν ήταν κάτι το διαφορετικό για αυτόυς και δεν αναφέρετε μέσα σαν ξεχωριστή φυλή από τους ρωμαιους .Επείσης δεν αναφέρετε στο βυζαντιο η λέξη Έλληνας σαν φυλη αλλά σαν την λέξη ειδωλολάτρης σήμερα αυτό μέχρι τον 8ο εωνα όπου εκχριστιανίστηκαν και οι τελευταίοι ειδωλολάτρες στην πελοποννησο μετά από τότε ξαναπήρε την έννοια της φυλής μας .2 Ρωμιος σημαίνει Έλληνας και η Ελλαδα είναι η συνέχεια του Βυζαντιου (άσχετα με τη συμβενη σήμερα που μας πολεμάνε οικονομικά) δηλαδή δεν θέλει καν εξήγηση αυτό στην Εκκλησία όταν πας δεν ακούς το Υπέρμαχο οι σημερινή Ελληνες είναι απόγονοι των Βυζαντινών δηλαδή από αυτό το συμπέρασμα καταλαμβάνεις ότι Το Βυζαντιο ανήκει στην Ελλαδα και η Ελλαδα στο βυζαντιο..!

[@zaxosthegreek567]

+Constantine Dragases Κοίτα είναι λάθος ο τιτλος του video γιατί λέει Were Buzantines Roman or Greek δεν είναι σωστή η διατύπωση γιατί 1ον Οι Βυζαντινοί όπως αναφερα και πιο πανω δεν αυτοαποκαλούντουσαν Έλληνες γιατί η λέξη Ελληνας τότε σημενε ειδωλολάτρης και δεν το είχανε σαν προσδιορισμό φυλής οπότε είναι λάθος η απάντηση που έδωσε αυτός στο video καθώς το τεκμήριο του ήταν ότι αυτοαποκαλούνταν Ρωμαίοι. Τέλος οι σημερινοί Ιταλοί δεν έχουν τίποτα κοινό με το βυζαντιο ούτε με την Ορθοδοξία που σημαίνει ότι το βυζαντιο είναι μέρος της Ιστορίας της Ελλαδας και οι σημερινοί Έλληνες είμαστε οι συνεχιστές του..!Καθώς όπως είπα και πιο πάνω το βυζαντιο ζει μέσα στην Ελλαδα ....!

[@zaxosthegreek567]

+Constantine Dragases Στο τελευταίο άρθρο εχεις πολλά δικιά ( Στο αναγνωριζω ) Άμα αφήσουμε την Ιστορία μας την Ελλαδα μας και την Ορθοδοξία μας θα χάθουμε ..! ( παντός μην πιανεσαι απο την λεξη Ρωμιος ή Ελληνας τωρα έχουν την ίδια σημασια ) Γιατί ούτε Ελληνας ούτε Ρωμιος μπορεί να θεωρηθεί πραγματικα κάποιος που δεν ειναι Ορθόδοξος

[@zaxosthegreek567]

+Constantine Dragases Επείσης , και εγώ ευχαριστώ για την συζήτηση...!

[@georgethanos7700]

TO ALL WHO COMMENT HERE: Historiography, 500 years ago, introduced the term "Byzantine" to eradicate just this confusion: That the Byzantines were Romans. In fact, they were speaking Greek and all Europeans were calling them Greeks at the time. Just as simple as it can get. SO STOP THE "BYZANTINES WERE ROMANS" JOKE. It is offensive for everyone here who has a decent amount of knowledge on the subject (even as amateurs). Before saying anything, research first. Don't just chew. PS. On the "THEY WERE DEFINING THEMSELVES AS ROMANS" joke, please note: 1. The DIDN'T define themselves as ROMANS (English word) but as ROMIOI (Greek word). 2. Modern Greeks are defining themselves today as ROMIOI also. ARE THEY ROMANS?? 3. The Germans were for a thousand years subjects of the Holy ROMAN Empire; their king was also defining himself as Caesar (Kaiser). ARE THEY ROMANS ALSO? 4. The Russians were calling their capital Moscow "Third Rome" and their king Ceasar (Tsar). ARE THEY ROMANS TOO? 5. I may call myself Martian. AM I AN ALIEN FROM MARS? 6. I may call myself a Neurosurgeon. Am I one? (if I don't have the objective qualifications for the job)? 7. Byzantine Emperors were styling themselves ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΓΡΑΙΚΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΡΩΜΑΙΩΝ (yes, in Greek) meaning "King of Greeks and Romans". 8. For a time, their currency was called "the bezant" a pejoration of byzantine. CONCLUSION: So, Byzantines were speaking Greek, everyone else in Europe was callng them Greeks, they were writing Greek, their Emperor was styling himself in Greek but (according to some) they were.... Romans(!). I won't follow this non-sense anymore.

[@juliaagnello1302]

Byzantine Roman is transvestism, "I thought I am". Here in Italy we laugh when a conquered Greek thinks he is a Roman.

[@neoreactionarysceptic9892]

They were roman not gayrreek

[@jasonivancontreras9340]

I don't think the term roman ever had an ethnic connotation to begin with, however I will say that the latin ethnic group was the most numerous and that's why most of europe, at least Western Europe is Latinate. I do think that it was unfortunate that greek came to mean pagan, but I don't think that was Christianity's fault, but with the spread of hellenism after alexander, greek started to carry that meaning.

[@12F220]

so many pople arguing about whats greek or not

[@sailisi]

Sure , also country Romania ... same thing ..

[@John-el.]

The correct name is romeos, its true that the byzantine empide is roman empire but it was hellinised in an area with a core greek poppulation and later a major one after the fall of midle east and africa

[@DivineHellas]

There are no c contradictions between the term Hellenic/Greek and Roman. The Roman world was Greek-Latin aka “Graeco-Roman” so anything that was Greek was by nature Roman, and on the larger picture, anything that was Roman was Greek. The term “Greek” and the term “Roman” carries no contradictions just like the term Rock and the term Stone doesn’t. This historian is a very poor historian with a poor understanding of this ancient world, with all due respect. Just like milions of westerners unfortunately are nowdays.

[@DivineHellas]

They are two words for the same thing.

[@fabian4022]

no roman and greece they where ANTONY'S ROMA

[@Sira628]

the eastern roman empire wasnt greek just like the european union isnt german or the soviet union wasnt russian :)

[@Sira628]

@@ΜΕΓΑΤΟΤΗΣΘΑΛΑΣΣΗΣΚΡΑΤΟΣ-ω1δ The core of Soviet Union was the SOviet Russians, the core of Europe are germaphone nations or descendant from germanic tribes, the core of Eastern Roman empire were the Greeks

[@Sira628]

@@ΜΕΓΑΤΟΤΗΣΘΑΛΑΣΣΗΣΚΡΑΤΟΣ-ω1δ really? You are clueless. The Soviet union was based in soviei russia thsys why everyone was learning russian the collapse of Russia meant the collapse of the rest soviet nations equality was only in theory just like in Marxism. Europe is the continuation of germanic Tribes . France for eg means Frank. Scandinavians are germanic so the English proof is their language austrians the same their origin Charlemagne thats why they are Catholic and Protestants. Eastern roman empire was greek thats why their official language was greek after 7 century not latin not armenian And their western opponents called it greek empire . Read a Byzantinologist after the translatio imperii officialy the empire is considered a core greek empire the way the holy roman empire is the holy roman empire of the germanic nation. Stop the insults open a book.

[@DestoV2]

funny, because the romans are a Greek tribe...

[@mehmetcarikcioglu782]

romans are not greek tribe.composed of etruses and latin.The Byzantines are greek

[@Pyrels]

greeks are orthodox turks. East roman empire is big mixture of thracians, illyrians, hellenic, arabs, italians etc. etc etc. ...

[@nicksofialakis1448]

Anders Brownworth, You sounds and also look drunk! What's wrong with you mate??? Are you Ok?

[@nicksofialakis1448]

And who the Hell is Edward Gibbon? Is he a historian on drugs???? You don't need to worry about some crock-sucker's quacking on the internet. If you need accredited answers, they're all in Accredited BOOKS! Not on the e-net! Unless its author is well known. Such IDIOTS are not Historians or even Hieratic-graduates! Edward Gibbon???? Who the Hell is he?? He's not even a Greek or Italian. He's sound more like an Idiot who's trying to either make some easy money on KZbin and thus uses a interesting topic. Or he's a globalists who's trying to confuse the masses of ignorants by twisting the original foundations of Orthodoxy like the Bolsheviks did in Russia. Otherwise, every insignificant player like Edward Gibbons can bark on his own KZbin's domain as much as he can, as long as there's plenty of IDIOTS to agree!

[@barthill9578]

constantine established new rome with the original inhabitants of old rome which were greek romans, saying roman is only being specififc what kind of greek you were like we say athenian ect, and there was only 1 language not 12, we are all hellen from the same stock, and the name is not pagan helios is sun and las is land=land of the sun(light) but also go by el-las el was the name of God , from the begining i believe. o yea barbarian was a bad term then too and the persians werent refined

[@George_kan7]

Byzantine empire 🇬🇷

[@cormacmcquillan3005]

They were Romans. First of, the questioning of this infers that Roman was an ethnic identity. That infers the only Romans were the Romans of the Italian penensula. If you go back in time and express this, it'd have come to a shock to the millions of Romans outside of Italy. Roman was a civic identity, much like American. There's no Roman ethnicity or Genus as was explained by the East Romans to the Holy Roman Empires emperors when they attempted to usurp the title. They spoke Greek, but so did the Romans. Greek was promoted with Latin during the entirity of the Empires existence. Caesars first language was Greek, Constantine was fluent in Greek as were countless roman officials. Also, when it comes to ancestry the majority of the people in the East Roman Empire weren't Greek. There were Semites, Coptics, Armenians and west Asian ppls populating the Empire along with the Greeks. The anatolia a who were hellenised were mostly of Iranian west Asian extract. That's why most modern Turks have more west Asian ancestry than Greek.

[@charadradam9985]

greeks were 2 milions untill 1922 in minor asia.. what are you talking about?

[@DivineHellas]

I find it very interesting how modern scholars claim there is such a thing as a Graeco-Roman world but then suddenly there cannot be anything “Greek” when it comes to the Eastern Roman history “because it was Roman” Don’t you guys see the contradiction?... one moment there is such a thing as Greek and Roman being one and the other moment there is only Rome because now suddenly “Greek” is a contradiction. The modern understanding and view of the Roman history is clearly flawed and based on the doctrines of Charlemange.

[@SpidahRidah]

Both.

[@nikolastefanov8645]

MASEDONIAN

[@ARESDOG100]

First off I'm Greek. 1. If the political leaders of the Byzantine were Roman then that will tell you who's in control. 2. Only the few at the top gained from being in control, what difference does nationalism matter to peasants and farmers. 3.Romans were probably 30% Greek so they enslaved themselves. 4. Greeks are great at distorting realty and have a magical way of enveloping other cultures just through actions and words regardless if it's legit or not So I can see how Greeks swallowed up the empire.

[@panosn1340]

Greek empire

[@DivineHellas]

👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼

[@iuiu8831]

ALBANIANS

[@DivineHellas]

Albanians are Turks from Kaukasus

[@iuiu8831]

@@DivineHellas o fil that don't know that name Filip has ALBANIAN ORIGINE

[@levesd3722]

@@iuiu8831 Philip was Greek by his own admission dipshit.

[@giannisgiannis870]

I am greek...i Believe that Byzantium was Italian.I say this because Romans done the big city of Byzantium.

[@lorenzobonfili2684]

True

[@costastheodorakopoulos9240]

Διαβασε λιγακι ιστορια μεγαλε.Ηταν μια Ρωμη ελληνικης παιδειας και γλωσσας και χριστιανικου ορθοδοξου θρησκευματος.

[@giannisgiannis870]

@@costastheodorakopoulos9240 όσους τούρκους έχω ρωτήσει,κανένας δεν μου έχει πει ότι έχει δει ναό Ολυμπιου θεού εκεί,αφού οι Έλληνες είχαν το δωδεκάθεο ως θρησκεία,τότε γιατί δεν υπάρχει κάποιος ναός χτισμένος εκεί Ολυμπίου θεού? Εσύ θα μου πεις ότι εκχριστιανιστικαμε και σαν Έλληνες γίναμε χριστιανοί και η πόλη ήταν ελληνική (υπήρχαν Έλληνες μέσα η αλήθεια είναι στην πόλη που πολεμούσαν κατά των Τούρκων), όμως ήταν ο χριστιανισμός η πραγματική θρησκεία των Ελλήνων?Γιατί εγώ έχω αρχίσει να πιστεύω ότι χάρη στον χριστιανισμό,οι ανατολικοί λαοί μας έχουν μισήσει.Και η Κωνσταντινούπολη ήταν όντως ελληνική??

[@DivineHellas]

And the Greeks made Rome, wich makes Rome Greek

[@fabian4022]

THEN GREECE WHERE NOT OLD GREECE THEY ARE JUST REBELS ALBANIA IS OLD GREECE

[@DivineHellas]

Albania are Kaukasian Turks

[@IjustAteOmg]

this guy lived there and he knows everything :P

[@enoughisenoughenough4037]

hahah!

[@charadradam9985]

there are hundrends of documents that you can search for if you like instead of saying your smartass shit