Were our Souls Created Before our Earthly Existence? | Dr. Shabir Ally

The Quran 7:172 seems to suggest that the soul was created prior to our earthly existence. How do we understand this verse? Does it challenge the notion of the soul as an emergent property? And how does this verse fit into discussions about abortion?
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[@asad0810]

I've always wanted to hear such deep and detailed discussions, couldn't have been a better place by a better person. Thank-you for these beautiful, knowledgeable videos.

[@Quantum-Entangled]

Jazakallah. This issue always confused me. Your explanation is logical and probably the best fit.

[@hoomanAdnan]

May Allah grant us Jannatul ferdaus ❤️🙌🏼

[@nazkhan7141]

Allahhumma Ameen

[@hoomanAdnan]

@@nazkhan7141 ameen 😊

[@proofy25]

ameen

[@yrsruby5396]

Salam! Ameen. And O our Rabb, with no judgment or reckoning, Ameen ❤

[@yrsruby5396]

Astaghfirullah. May Allah protect us in this life, let all of our sins be burned away before death, and achieve ultimate success in the longer-lasting Hereafter. Ameen.

[@pbrstreetgang1424]

Every man that has ever lived, every man that is alive today, and every man that is yet to be born is already alive with God...We are on a journey to meet our past in our future ☪️

[@juanibarra1026]

Beautiful mind

[@bngr_bngr]

How about women?

[@pbrstreetgang1424]

@@bngr_bngr The Man (Husband) shall submit to the Will of God. The Woman (Wife/Man's Helper) shall submit to the authority of The Man (Husband). The Child(ren) shall honor and respect their parents' authority to shepard (tend and rear) them throughout their lives. Family, in this order, 1st Husband, 2nd Wife, and 3rd Child(ren). God is God and he cannot change. Does this answer your question?

[@thetruthwithproof8802]

WHICH SECT IS C0RRECT ❓ Just because our Prophet told us only one sect is correct, does not mean we need to join a sect Joining to a Sect means we abide by the teachings of the sect & this is the real cause of 73 sects If we all followed the Quran and Hadith, we would only have one sect To be amongst the correct sect, we must follow the Quran & Hadith Before the arrival of all the 73 Sects, the solution was follow the Quran & Hadith Why do we muslims feel we must follow a sect ❓

[@pbrstreetgang1424]

@@thetruthwithproof8802 Your journey through life and faith is in its infancy. You are asking the right questions of our God and of my brother Mohammed 🙏 . I will give you the simplest answer in question(s) format. What did God do for Mohammed? What did Mohammed do for God? A child will have many questions. A man will begin to understand. A shepard will be at peace and live in peace with his brothers and sisters. Does this help you any ?

[@irfanhasan7457]

I notice your lens of reading Quran 7:172 is similar to tafsir Jalalayn by Imam Al-Suyuti, and I am inclined to read through this lens as well. We are blessed with fitra. When we reach maturity as adults, we need to use our reasoning to read, reflect, and understand His guidance as best as we can. Thank you for the explanation, Dr. Aly.

[@islamforall437]

Excellent response.... I love your arguments.

[@jarsoabdulkadir7801]

The two suras complement each other. I like the traditional interpretation, it's powerful and mystical. I don't think the abortion issue has anything to do with either of those two verses.

[@TheRockeyAllen]

Counter argument: this topic is not relevant to abortion. That aside, using the same logic, maintaining consistency of thought, like how you give the room for plausibility of souls being an emergent property, one could extend the same to give room for the plausibility of souls being an non-emergent property. I hope you notice the incoherency. Another point I'd like to make is, about the questioning of athiests on why they had forgotten of their beliefs etc. First, yet again irrelevant to abortion, and second, you could give various analogies to support either side of that specific argument, and some of them would be on how atheists too have fitrah but the ignorance and/or the arrogance they choose to adhere to keeps them from recognising the fitrah within them. To rest the case, Allah clearly stated that there are things we don't know and we don't understand. Like many, this is yet another topic which we cannot and should not take one side or the other with conviction unless authentic hadith counters either. AssalamuAlaikum wrwb

[@shiraazkhan6672]

Dr. Israr Ahmed’s explanation of this verse is more logical where all souls were created in Alam e Barzak. Allah(S.W.T) asked all the human souls from Adam(A.S) till the last man to come if he was their lord and they said yes. Then they were put away till their time came to be born in this world. That’s why every human being is born on the fitrah of believing in Allah as their only God. I am huge a admirer of Dr Ally’s work but his explanation on this verse raises a lot of questions. #1) why did then Allah says in the Quran that he made Adam from clay first and then put his soul later? Doesn’t this mean Adam’s soul existed before he was fashioned by Allah from clay? 2) The same can be argued about Isa’s(a.s) birth. 3) Why in the Quran Allah says that humans have accepted to go thru the test of wordy life? 33:72 إِنَّا عَرَضۡنَا ٱلۡأَمَانَةَ عَلَى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَ ٰ⁠تِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ وَٱلۡجِبَالِ فَأَبَیۡنَ أَن یَحۡمِلۡنَهَا وَأَشۡفَقۡنَ مِنۡهَا وَحَمَلَهَا ٱلۡإِنسَـٰنُۖ إِنَّهُۥ كَانَ ظَلُومࣰا جَهُولࣰا﴿ ٧٢ ﴾ • Sahih International: Indeed, We offered the Trust[[The acceptance of obligations and obedience to Allāh.]] to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, and they declined to bear it and feared it; but man [undertook to] bear it. Indeed, he was unjust and ignorant.[[Coveting its reward while forgetting the penalty for failure to keep his commitment.]] Al-Ahzab, Ayah 72 How do you explain that?

[@sushiriecks7430]

thank you!!! may god bless you

[@m.e.e2878]

Love the seriessssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

[@Mellinds]

I would tend to agree with the hadiths here thinking that our souls are created and gathered before our physical existence and put in our body/embryo at the 122th day. However I enjoyed the conversations in this series, as per usual.

[@walkingwith_dinosaurs]

We are so blessed wuth dr Shabir! I never seen such wise takes on the I nterpretations of the Quran! All muslim word should watch this and think

[@----f]

6 minutes in and I don't know what I'm listening to. Dr Shabbir Ally please be more concise with your answers, jazakAllah

[@mehmetkundiz-rc6fj]

Its because Islam dont know anything about the soul. Thats why I left Islam en embraced Hinduism.

[@erwinriadi3940]

Most scholars explain 7:172 as an event that took place some time in the past and happened simultaneously to all human "to be". But you clearly open the possibility that the "mithaq" might be happened to each person according to his/her time living in this dunya, which I also think more logical and more in line with other quranic verses such as 32:7-9, that we were given the hearing, sight, and fuad only after Allah blow the ruh, and only then the mithaq could happen. Jazakallah Sheikh.. May Allah bless you.. 🙏

[@joaquimfernandes7724]

Quran clearly says what is not of ur knowledge do not go behind questioning it

[@munawarahmed2833]

I agree.

[@karimb972]

The traditional interpretation is solid: it's part of fitrah to believe in God. That's what the story tells us. May Allah guide us all.

[@yrsruby5396]

Salam! Ameen. Great, great thanks to Allah for guiding us on the path out of billions. We should just naturally recognize Allah is the one true God through reasoning and observation. But many don’t and that could’ve been it. But even after this, Ar-Rahman sent books, Messengers, miracles, sign after sign, all sorts of proof just out of Mercy and Kindness. And even with that, they still refuse to believe. So many chances given before a person/persons are doomed. Scary. May Allah, Al-Mu’min, Al-Muhaymin, protect us and keep us on the straight path forever. Ameen 💕

[@bhavinmehta1490]

@@yrsruby5396 but it doesn’t quite work that way. Belief in itself solely I mean isn’t necessarily a choice, and most of the time it is not. You cannot choose to believe in Greek Zeus, you can’t choose to because you’re not convinced zeus is God. Similarly you cannot choose to disbelieve or refuse God Most Gracious if you truly are convinced. You can act like you believe in zeus but it doesn’t mean you actually do. Emunah (Arabic: iman) isn’t belief about something, it’s a form of action oriented trust with something instead. The honest and sincere individuals who ask questions and are curious but cannot be convinced are not the problem, and suggesting these are now “evil” people that refuse, is not how it works. Some people just out of their genuine search do not know. Most people however don’t think critically hence they go along with whatever religion they were brought up in. And God Most Gracious if He is the greatest must be more understanding than the rational being He created. Humbly, peace upon you all.

[@mrekullitenumeriketekurani3555]

​@@bhavinmehta1490perhaps you haven't come across clear arguments that prove why God exists and Quran is from him so that you would get convinced. Even though i doubt that. But if you are sincerely seeking the truth, thrn reply back

[@bhavinmehta1490]

@@mrekullitenumeriketekurani3555 Or this is just a biased remark, the truth is that the religious world only favors it’s own arguments and is blind to others, but had they been born and raised in a different geographical location under different family structure, and ideas etc. through social conditioning they would have followed that religion and different set of doctrines instead. Secondly, I didn’t disclose my personal beliefs to you, I actually hold to the Qur’an personally but I don’t talk about my views much, I majored in religious studies, took courses on Qur’an and bible, hadith etc. I own my own 9 volume set of Bukhari I’ve written a 22 page academic paper on the discrepancies within Hadith literature etc. lastly I used to be highly indoctrinated at one point, I was quite traditional as well; I initially grew up in Hinduism and converted to Sunni Islam and then learned about Shiism, Qur’anism, and even tassawuf… I then went into philosophy and learned about matters of libertarian free-will and causal determinism, moral objectivism, moral relativism and moral subjectivism, doxastic voluntarism and involuntarism (direct and indirect); and my point is simply this, the religious world truly doesn’t know much, they remain ignorant about a world of information, they’re so much to learn out there and they remain closed minded unfortunately, I wish they could understand. Take care, wish you well. Salam/peace.

[@bhavinmehta1490]

@@mrekullitenumeriketekurani3555 I haven’t disclosed my views, and I personally hold to the Qur’an but I’m afraid most of the religious world is quite biased and doesn’t really recognize how beliefs even work; anyways take care. Salam.

[@Atthehappiness19]

Salamun Alaikum JazakAllah Khair for the clarifications. If we’re saying that we shall not have promised Allah as we may have not existed before, then how do we reflect on the verse 2:38 where Allah Azza wa jal asks everyone to descend down and follow the guidance. 2:38 قُلْنَا ٱهْبِطُوا۟ مِنْهَا جَمِيعًۭا ۖ فَإِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُم مِّنِّى هُدًۭى فَمَن تَبِعَ هُدَاىَ فَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ ٣٨ We said, “Descend all of you! Then when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows it, there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve.

[@CoachQueenSG]

Really wished this video was clearer. Coming downs in the comments I can see that I’m not the only one who got confused about it. Allah knows best

[@mehmetkundiz-rc6fj]

Because Islam tells nothing to less about the soul. Thats why I left Islam. In Hinduism I found all those answers.

[@AhmedMohammed-uk4dm]

jezakallah

[@outthinkersubliminalfacts]

In this world, we're both a soul (spirit) & its vessel (our physical body) - maybe that's the reason we can't remember Allah's pre-birth contract. However, interestingly after death, our souls can run something called a "life review" & remember events hidden from our physical body & brain (from subconscious portion of our brain), like in the case of فبصرك اليوم الحديد There're some Muslims who had Near-Death-Experience ( or call it: Temporary Death) & spoke about life-review & having much clear senses or memory than in this world.

[@dom3073]

So the soul is not pre-created but an emergent property? What is meant by this? Emerging from what? Please clarify, Dr. Shabir Ally.

[@Rico-Suave_]

Watched all of it 10:56

[@user-tf1co1oe6z]

اللهم صل على محمد وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين

[@SoldieroftheImam313]

This is interesting we as Shia Muslims in our doctrine it states that this event event took place in the world of the particles(a'lam Al dharr) this was a world before we all came into being and in this world we all bared witnessed that there is no God but Allah and some people were hesitant and some instantly believed and that's why we as Muslims feel like we already know everything in a way and Islam feels so close to our hearts as if we already know this path is the truth and the more aware you are of yourself the more you begin to remember things

[@Cocolemon-pk6on]

I always think about the times in the Quran where it says God will inform us of what we use to do. I think our souls were created all at once and then placed in our bodies. I wonder what we used to do? If our souls have been around before we exist on earth then where are they and what are they doing? Just a thought

[@affssefstgg4248]

Great scholar: you may read 'born believers' by the Christian scholar Justin L Barret. You may also find some clips debated by Barret with the renown atheist scholar Richard Dawkins broadcasted by at least BBC Radio 4, Today Programme in couple of years ago. In a nutshell, Barret argued for the concept of الفطر the human predisposition to believe in الله if not interfered by outside factors.

[@endor8witch]

but the question is: if we were all souls before. why the need to "reincarnate" us into humans, animals, etc. what triggered the need for god to do that? did something happen for god to shepherd the souls and make them reincarnate into this realm?

[@BJayGreer]

Abraham 3:22-26, 22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones; 23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.

[@robertcummins7739]

I honestly have very little memory of what has happened here on earth let alone before here. Do you remember this pact I vaguely do seems unfair

[@tommyanderson2785]

I’ve noticed that modern Muslims tend to ask questions that do not benefit them in any way, that’s too bad.

[@ollamail1892]

Sheikh just basically condemns all Hadiths explanations of subjects and basically opted for modernist viewpoints… is this not dangerous? Would this not erase the traditional reliance on Hadiths for our everyday lives?

[@Ayyoub_Isa_Allen]

I've watched several videos from this sheikh and I've concluded he is very into tawil and his own interpretation of verses and hadith

[@owusustephen3400]

He’s just an honest Sheik

[@tulipbubbly3748]

@@Ayyoub_Isa_Allen well, kf the reality goes against quran and hadiths, it's still the reality. There's proof of reincarnation already through near death experiencers. And this is something which is against quran, hence it proves Islam is false.

[@saheedali6700]

This man mad

[@SwiggityPeanut]

Just because something is traditional doesnt make it entirely correct. Theres been countless traditional practices throughout human history that were misguided. Islam is a universal religion meant to guide humanity for the rest of its existence. This is quite clear. This leads us to ask, is human progress meant to be stagnant? No, clearly. We progress as a species regardless of if we want to or not. Progress is constantly happening. So if there is a way of life laid out for us within the Quran, for the rest of our species existence...which could be 10 years or 10 million years...how does blindly following every bit of wisdom that applied 1400 years ago affect humanity and its progress five thousand years from now? The majority of sahih hadith should be evaluated based on if it fits within the Quran or not. Is it Quranically sound? If no, then it does not apply to our future, only our past.

[@aisharicci6400]

On this one issue I tend to feel that all souls knew God and bore witness to him in the spiritual realm before they were descended on the physical realm. Also we know that every human being is born with God consciousness, fitra. And Allah swt knows best!

[@nazkhan7141]

Do you remember anything about being in your mother's womb? We don't but that doesn't mean we didn't exist or have consciousness. Allah swt gathered us before this world and he will gather us after destruction of this earth once again for judgement day. So basically our soul journeys through different stations and final abode is afterlife.

[@waseemsstudy9140]

I think Dr Shabbir came short of the conclusion. He correctly points out that covenant with 'souls' would have no value to hold a person accountable, if that memory is not retained. He also correctly points out that this was the progeny of bani adam not Adam AS himself who made the covenant. Thus, the covenant was made at a later time. Here he loses the direction. If you cross reference this in the Quran, it tells that Yaqub AS on his death bed asked his sons who would they worship and they all made a covenant to worship Allah. They spread the message over subsequent generations across the world. So whoever the message has reached to, would have no excuse on the day of judgement to say that they were unaware of this. The verse has nothing to do with soul or 'rooh'.

[@ShoaibDin]

There is no past, present and future as we understand. We don’t have a true understanding of time.

[@nayashams6845]

I know for sure we are created as soul before. May be most of readers don’t believe me but as a small child of 6, 7 years old, I knew I had another life. Because I was very smart, after saying to my mom, she refused it , I remember exactly that I should not tell others, because they don,t believe me. So all my life I knew we had another life. I don’t remember so many things in my childhood,why I remember that vividly, so it must be very important for me or some how it was different experience.

[@pielukas]

Sounds as though you are talking about reincarnation, something that I don't believe in

[@imranimmu6892]

where am i before born?

[@kasulebaker8044]

what about Alamul arwaah

[@msb94]

Why

[@rodjaibmanaleseg2264]

The oath with Allah before we came here on earth when we are just souls… is the fitrah(Natural disposition) …. Our natural belief in the Divine.

[@truthseeker3293]

3:40. Who cares what the atheist will say nobody can argue with Allah because Allah is the most just

[@mehmetkundiz-rc6fj]

If you are a truth seeker you read advaita vedanta

[@rajnivenkateshan3074]

Are God and Allah the same? How do we draw a conclusion?

[@marcolucius5083]

This interpretation of the sura would discount the Islamic apologetic around john17:5&24 (wouldn't it?)which seeks to state that all souls existed (with agency/ able to respond) before the world was in attempt to discount the unique nature the Son of God and the claim for himself being (with agency) before the world was (before creation of Adam) Also this sura is pretty clear (in the English translation presented) thatGods question is presented "when your Lord brought forth from the loins of.." ie at/ or soon after conception. Ie not a fixed time in the last when Adam was created

[@mandela-kofiongsingco-boon1969]

I just took my shahada but I still have some Christian ideologies that I can't or at least hard for me to shake I was never a trinitarian Christian but I was wandering because of my studies before I took my shahada I knew we believe in the same God but my main question is could someone be a Unitarian Christian and still be Muslim more like a Islamic Christian

[@1UMMA]

The unitarian are the closest to Islam.. as they believe in one God and believe that Jesus pbuh was a prophet..The issue is that they do not believe in the prophecy of Mohammed Pbuh..eventhough he was mentioned in the Song of solomon... and was foretold about by Jesus himself. (see Ahmed deedat and Zakir Naik videos regarding the songs of solomon) In conclusion being a unitarian you loose prophet Mohammed pbuh and you risk the completion of your shahada , being a Muslim you bear witness that Allah SWT is One, you Recognize Jesus as he was intended to be -a prophet - not a God or a son of God and you win Mohammed pbuh as the last of All messengers peace and blessings of Allah on ALL OF THEM.. & Allah knows best... May we all be guided to the right path.

[@ahmfarooq1823]

Yes. If you believe in One God in your heart and do good deed then you can be saved. As Almighty God says, “ Indeed those who believe And those who were Jews or Christians or sabeans - who believe in Allah and the Last Day and do good deeds - would have their reward with their Lord, and there is no fear for them nor shall they grieve.”

[@TheTruth-hc7ww]

Although Unitarians believe in the Oneness of God that God is still not Allah. Unitarians reject the idea of the Trinity but they believe that The Messiah is Lord above All who died on the Cross and rose from the Dead. They also do not believe Muhammad is a Prophet. So they believe in God the Father and Jesus the Son as Lord above all. If you look closely None of this fits the Islamic perspective. In Islam you not only have to believe God is One but that he has a prophet named Muhammad. Hope that helps.

[@einerftonog]

Unitarian!?!?🤣🤣🤣 So, Gods have united to be a single being?!?! Whom did God united with? Muslims are pagans, because they believe 360 pagan idols united with each other to create a single being.

[@einerftonog]

When did the Unity of Gods happened?!?!😂😂😂

[@robertocb1348]

Observation About the Quran 7:172 Verse, This clearly signified that Allah is not all knowing. Seems Allah did not know yet the answer if yes or no until human replied. Allah should say I knew before hand that human's answer was yes or no. I do not blame Allah, but the writer of the verse that demean Allah. Explain.

[@chrisg9817]

Would the soul meant to be for a baby that died at birth come in on the next birth? My mom gave birth to a baby before she had me & he died at birth. Then had me a couple years later. Would the soul meant for my brother be me?

[@FaisaBeauty]

Very interesting question

[@mehmetkundiz-rc6fj]

No it’s a different soul. You will find the answers in Hinduism.

[@SHK8553]

👍👍👍

[@nazkhan7141]

Yet the sheikh fails to mention that we have no recollection of ourselves when we were in our mothers' wombs or even in early months after birth. Also how can you call the hadith of our beloved prophet pbuh questionable without any justification. The quran and authentic sunnah of rasulallah pbuh is revelation from Allah swt.

[@omarbataineh6028]

The point is how can you be taken to account for something you dont remember?

[@deepmalatiwari900]

Were do muslim follow souls

[@salmo5841]

Sure no problem in souls being created before joining with the body. But if it is said that human beings actually existed before human beings actually existed , this is logically impossiblity in and of itself. I think verse 172 is not talking about this impossibility. I'm doubtful about Shabbir linking it with the natural disposition to know Allah, fitra that all people have because the verse is talking about literal gathering to testify. Hadith also reiterates this.. I think more thinking needs to be done to arrive at a rational understanding.

[@agent99pianoman47]

I am not a muslim at all. I am a evangelical born again christian and i am Latter day saint that believes in the oreexistence of souls in heaven. I hVe always believed in the xictrine of preexisyrnce of souls. I had a few seconds of remembering parts of my premittal existence in heaven during my payriarchal blessing i had recieved from the patriarch eho laid hands onme through the soirit of prophecy. I rememmber before i was born on earth everything was totally pit h black yet i knew it was me that existed. I remember sering a beautiful light tunnel that was yellow and orange hearing tye beaitiful voices of spirits singing i remember the familiar feeling and a few seconds of memory

[@victoremman4639]

Linguistic approach, Nafs, morphology an etymology : when the N ends a word, it means a full of a kind, when the N starts a word, it means an original source, unique one. The archaic root beeing FS which means Animation, soul or animus in latin. But to be animated, we need a Rooh. Always misleading a tafseer using english concept, not arabic. S

[@rynestabillo1506]

Mashallah! Are you father and daughter?

[@hewhay8464]

There is HADITH that say when we were still a SOUL we were ask If we want to be born and be part of the TEST right ??

[@markward3981]

Which hadith says this ?

[@mehmetkundiz-rc6fj]

When we still a soul? You don’t have a soul right now? Even shaitaan is confused😂

[@zusterMalikaLithgow]

Why calling Allah aza wa jal 'god' instead of Allah??? Is it to please the non-moslims? SubhaanAllah.

[@malenomadiclion2030]

The creator of all things has many names when it’s diverse creation calls upon it, however our creator surely knows who it is, not needing a specific word, or name from us.

[@analyticallysound2716]

I wonder why Islam kept the idea of the pre-existence of souls when Origen of Alexandria, an early church father was condemned for his insistence that souls exist before someone is conceived. I also feel Surah 7:172 calls atheists like myself insincere when I say I don't believe God exists. Similar to what Paul does in romans 1 when he says that "all are without excuse". I am certainly not aware of the alleged truth of Islam, and I don't think it's fair to hold me responsible if I die an atheist for what some hypothetical soul that existed in another universe said on my behalf when I have no recollection of such events.

[@mehrourbadloe8339]

Brother you are making a mistake because Soul means conciousness and NO SOUL ON EARTH can say I did not know about GOD also in case that soul never had entered a church or Temple or mosque or any type Holy place. Also this souls van enter a good after life in one of the Levels in Paradise if they did good deeds on earth and righteousness in actions etc etc Based on above it is logical that anyone should be questioned : WHY DID YOU DENIED THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR LORD ?? It is universal and not a question for Islam alone.

[@techknowsimply]

You will be held responsible for your actions in this world.

[@analyticallysound2716]

@@techknowsimply How so? I don't recall doing anything terribly wrong so far.

[@techknowsimply]

@@analyticallysound2716 Then no worries , except your denial for the Creators existence is greatest sin. Wrong are right are defined by Him.

[@markward3981]

The truth is not based on what we feel . Best to you.

[@BMA8403]

I humbly disagree. Visit our Dergah in İstanbul. Come sit at the knees of our Sheikh Ahmet Ozhan Efendi and learn why. Hint:When Prophet Muhammad was asked: "When did you become a Prophet?" he replied; "I was a Prophet when Adam was between the water and the mud -before he came into existence. Thus, we ALL lived a soul life. Now, if you want to learn how is it some of us become believers, non - believers or atheistic, then you'll learn that too. Hint:Kalu Bela has a major role in it. Salaam.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

First!! 🐱👍🏿

[@abdulkhadarsaljoq3662]

Wow...I get surprised to the new levels to which misguidance goes, here is a clear cut verse of the Qur'an plus hadiths affirming the clear cut meaning in the verse and then we have this incoherent interpretation which also has no basis in the clear text in the verse itself neither in the hadiths. So that implies you want to interpret Qur'an which fits the point you wana prove (which itself has no logical, moral and religious basis)....I mean, wow!!!

[@mehmetkundiz-rc6fj]

Thats why I left Islam

[@cocoalfaridah5831]

@@jamshedkarai5524 you are right! Hindu Buddhist have more solid ground! 70000 years and so.. But in truth, old information doesn’t mean truth! First car doesn’t mean best quality Older shoe doesn’t means best quality and truth! Older religion doesn’t mean tte whole truth , .. I am sure that you had the first cellular telephone 25 years ago, see the evolution of that first fone until today.. No one use these kind of telephone anymore.. they are not fast, no camera, nothing at all compare to today android cellular!! No my friend old doesn’t mean better quality or truth, Old mean, symbolic of something that will evolve …

[@BG-gu9sf]

Jesus said love one another as I love you . He died for our wrongs and sins thus showing us love . Abortion is killing . Thereby allowing spirit of death to be in our bloodline . Any killing allows spirit of death in our bloodline .

[@makanah7240]

Very correct..and they should also know, life is in the blood.. DNA..Abortion is murder at every stage.

[@pielukas]

What do you mean by "allowing the spirit of death to be in our bloodline"?

[@makanah7240]

So are you saying Allah didn't create the body surely.. Oh my

[@patriciarigholt2786]

If our soul already existed before we were born in this life, can it also be that we have multiple lives on Earth? I mean reincarnation. Multiple lives to grow toward God. That would explain the diversity of all people. Some people are further along in their development than others.

[@khaldrogo4460]

No there's no reincarnation in Islam the souls were in the alam e arwah the world of the souls where everyone's soul was created billions of years ago and the angel brings the soul from there and blows it into the mothers womb into the fetus

[@mohammedmia3654]

No, your theory is impossible and wrong. Because currently on earth there are 7 billion people. And the amount of people on earth increases every year. More people are born then there are that die. So reincarnation is wrong and false.

[@najmu49]

@@khaldrogo4460 Patricia Righolt has a very important point. Remember life is like a school. One may decide after the Great Hall of Judgment that Merciful Allah allows another life to make good what was left undone to merit the Companionship-on-High.

[@mehmetkundiz-rc6fj]

Islam tells nothing to less about the soul. And when it does.. it doesn’t make any sense. Thats why I left Islam and embraced Hinduism 🕉️

[@pielukas]

You should have left Islam and remain an atheist rather than turn to multi god religion. Viewpoint of a Christian

[@moinudeen2887]

Dr shabir understanding is ok.but still it is not correct 100%. My understanding the interpretation is includes both past and future. Both way of understanding correct and is included this verse. My understanding is , soul created in the past before man advent to this world and we all witnessed. Once reached world serially from that point , the soul mixes in this world as rasul sal said every soul by fitrah muslim and once reached world, child parents convert them to Jews christians or majoosi etc. I.e away from monotheism. At one point in the life of that child , during adolescent periods Allah shall.make the mind matured enough to recognize God Almighty's presence and from that point the person is accountable. That's the understanding i have. Dr shabir view is ok but it is recognitikn of God in life on this world at one point due to effect of remembering of a past event of witnessing oneness of God past. Whole quran is reminder of truth. Thats how quran presents itself to us.. quran uses two kind of words when it is talking about purpose of seven skies and earth... Allah uses words like "illa lil haq" and "illa bil haq"... One has meaning created with truth and another haq word meaning is unveiling the truth i.e unveiling or exhibiting the truth of its early created nature. Truth already set in this world when Allah created this world itself whether man is here or not.. shaitan and his comrades trying to corrupt this nature. So Allah created mankind and it's souls with truth one time and each soul's nature too. He is sending each soul serially one by one to this world to unveil the world's early truth in this earth to world of jinn and angels. Thats how my understanding. Otherwise, Quran saying itself as reminder does not make sense. Reminder is something we use as a thing of previous nature and our true nature is getting reminded thru Quran in this world.

[@joaquimfernandes7724]

I think ur contradicting the quran and ur prophet, if quran says in past tense its past tense ,if it says future tense then its future tense, the.moment u contradict u say quran is not the word of allah

[@nazkhan7141]

Well actually Allah swt also talks in the Quran about judgement day in past tense too for rhetorical reasons. Judgement day is such a certain reality that its mentioned as a past event perfect tense to crush any doubt about it taking place in future. It's as certain as already taken place.

[@omarfarooq7685]

@@nazkhan7141 Allah can speak in past tense about that because He is the First and the Last, doesn’t mean that past tense applies to us in that instance

[@nazkhan7141]

@@omarfarooq7685absolutely Allah swt is as he described himself but i never brought that up, just look into balagah and divine speech, and who is the Quran addressing ? Mankind and jinkind, putting an event in the past is making it absolutely certain and removing any doubt about its occurance since past is not changeble and is a fact. you're off on some other tangent, which I didn't even raise.

[@mehmetkundiz-rc6fj]

Islam dont know anything about the soul thats why I left Islam and embraced Hinduism. You will find answers in advaita vedanta

[@Barfsimpson911]

Your Prophet claims the earth is flat-----Explain as no one has ever walked off the edge or seen the edge !

[@williamwilkinson8777]

According to the Bible the soul is not immortal. The Hallmark of all ancient religions is the doctrine of the immortality of the soul. This had led to ancestor worship. This doctrine found its way from Greek mythology into the Christian church as well as Islam. The Bible writers never taught this. The record states in Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Other versions say "being." To have a soul there needs to be a combination of the breath and the body. You take away the breath the soul dies. Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. If the souls are immortal then they are like God because He is immortal. The idea that God created souls before they possess bodies is not Biblical.

[@pielukas]

You misunderstand Ezekiel 18:4. It is referencing Jeremiah 15:4 where it says the sins of the father visited upon the children. In Ezekiel, God was telling the people to stop using that proverb. The sin of the father belongs only to the father not the son. The soul that sins shall die. Notice it says the soul that sins. So, what happens to the soul that has its sin forgiven? As per Ecclesiastes 12:7 the body shall return to dust from whence it came and the spirit back to God who gave it.

[@williamwilkinson8777]

@@pielukas there is no correlation between Ezekiel 18:4 and Jeremiah 15:4. The soul that sins will die and we have all sinned so no one is righteous. When the person dies no part of him or her lives on. When Jesus returns He will call back to life those faithful to Him and take them to heaven. Those who reject Him will be raised afterwards to be sentenced to hellfire.

[@pielukas]

@@williamwilkinson8777 I agree with you 100% that Jeremiah 15:4 has nothing to do with Ezekiel 18:4. I grabbed the wrong book and chapter...Ezekiel 18:4 is referencing Exodus 34:7. "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation." Ezekiel 18 found the Jews in Babylon. They were always using the proverb that the sins of the father fell on the children and it here that God forbid them from using that proverb. Ezekiel 18: 1-4 states The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying, 2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? 3 As I live, saith the Lord God, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." As per Ecclesiastes 12:7 the body shall return to dust from whence it came and the spirit back to God who gave it.

[@ciscodealmeida8541]

LOLOLOLOLOL Ho my God, this guy does not know.

[@ciscodealmeida8541]

How ignorant on Allah this man

[@joefaridahnur7586]

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[@nowokenarrative8669]

CAN I MARRY MY FIRST COUSIN BROTHER --

[@rafeekshah4067]

Indeed you can marry your first cousin. It is permissible as per Islamic Jurisprudence.

[@mehmetkundiz-rc6fj]

No its sick according to new data and science.