Were the refs REALLY that bad on Monday Night Football? | Buffalo Bills Vs New York Jets

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[@AvocadoHank]

I disagree about the AJ Epenesa roughing the passer call, his left hand is going for the strip and the right brace his fall. I don’t understand it at all

[@pluckpluckpass]

The most normal sack of all time

[@oblockfinest1649]

That’s a penalty by rule nigga YOU CANT LAND WITH MOST/ALL OF UR BODY WEIGHT ON A QB. Dumb rule but you don’t get to “disagree” with the penalty call. Disagree with the rules.

[@mattcron9421]

Problem is you can call a penalty on any play. There is always holding. And roughing is subjective

[@ThorGodofThunder420]

As a Bills fan, I can see how it's called. By the letter of the rule it's about coming down with body weight. But imo those penalties are made for 300+ lb DTs. You're supposed to let off before he hits the ground. But at the same time, since he was going for a strip there was really no other way he could land. He didn't drive him into the ground, he landed on him. I'll wager he and Rodgers weigh in the 230-250lb area. Unfortunately, it's human eyes making the call and maybe they don't have all the angles. The biggest problem with most sports is every penalty is discretionary. There's always grey area. If a ref wanted to call a penalty and it looks like a penalty, they could call it. Take the Rodgers "forward pass" for example. He didn't throw the ball. His arm was moving forward and he never let go until it was basically knocked loose from impact. That's a nonsense rule, but at the same time, hand went forward, ball was "released." It comes down to how the refs feel. And in that scenario unless they had a RB or TE pass blocking, it definitely could have been grounding. The ball went straight down. Whose to say it was a "forward pass?" Something like that shouldn't have a quick booth review. It should have a full review where they look at every possibility with outcome. Bills definitely got the shaft in this game imo where the bad calls or missed calls favored the jets more. I'd say just about every penalty called on the Jets was an actual penalty. They missed some as well. The roughing call on Kinlaw was the closest thing to not a penalty, but from the angle shown in this video, it definitely could be. It could also be a flop. Idk what his left hand did.

[@Princecharisma111]

@@ThorGodofThunder420u prolly said some real shit but no one reading allat fam

[@ribertmoose]

the roughing the passer call on epenesa was comedy

[@rb5337]

They were horrible and wrecked the game.

[@pluckpluckpass]

All three teams were undisciplined last night: The Bills, The Jets, and The Refs. Too many actual penalties, and called penalties that shouldnt have been

[@bplup6419]

Refs were balling out this week. They lit up the Raider-Steeler game.

[@JamesB-mi9uu]

True first half was terrible against the Steelers than a role reversal happened the second half and gave them calls tbh

[@bplup6419]

​@@JamesB-mi9uu Nobody was happy. Even when the calls benefitted their team it was still like, "wtf, that's a penalty, really?"

[@andrewsnape5308]

Those refs was out of control..

[@GarrettOBeirne]

The fact that you didn’t even include the holding call on Tippman that reversed a first down and let to the long third down try on which Rodgers was picked just goes to show how many awful and controversial calls were in this game.

[@deliriousgeorge2879]

That’s not controversial. Tillman clearly held the linebacker which prevented him from attempting to tackle breece at the line of scrimmage

[@jamesstrom6991]

the qb roughing calls are ruining football

[@BushnoSkillzz]

Oof, real disappointing take. Of the 6 penalties youve shown, 3 were blatantly not penalties and 2 could be called every single play. I dont know how a fan of the sport could use their platform to defend this.

[@YoutuberRick18363]

Came on here to say this is one of the few times I disagreed massively with this guy. I think he should also show the non call DPIs on Lazard and Garrett too as comparison at the very least. Disappointing.

[@festusfive9157]

well fortunately for everyones "platform", not everyone agrees with either mr krueger or even you.

[@Asynurr]

​@KZbinrRick18363 this guy is always wrong istg, i haven't agreed with many of his takes. He is ridiculously biased. He is awful.

[@festusfive9157]

@@Asynurr once again to each their own, I dont agree with many of his qb analyses but I do some other things. Also someone being right doesnt need to the the sole reason you watch them. For I stance here I mostly watch cuz he makes thumbnails and other things I find funny for the sheer cornyness.

[@KB21-kt7ug]

This guy narrating was born to be a ref in this modern day NFL. He fits right in.

[@jordandennis6794]

Yep loves made up penalties

[@scottedelman2379]

the problem isn’t that penalties shouldn’t be called, but these judgment penalties are ruining the game. it’s about the refs and not the play. roughing calls are ludicrous, uncatchable balls don’t exist unless the ref views it that way. a holding penalty isn’t a holding penalty unless the ref calls it. the NFL is totally scripted and you can’t say it isn’t.

[@ericimi]

Yes they were that bad.

[@XxGlobalGamerxX]

Why is no one talking about that missed PAT that supposedly went through? Am I missing something? Lmao

[@KB21-kt7ug]

Allen looked like LeBron Tagovailoa going down on that one roughing flop call.

[@mikekellum6238]

The rules are ambiguous in order to massage the outcomes.

[@nikoder8790]

Exactly. Can't rig games with explicit rules.

[@KB21-kt7ug]

No, by rule it is not a penalty. Epenesa is attempting to strip the ball from Rodgers and is battling to work the ball free and continues to do so until they hit the ground. How people bet on this absolute corruption or pay to attend a game or for the Sunday Ticket is a joke.

[@mattrider4936]

The one at 5:45, that ball was far over wr head and landed outside the white coaching box and in the green. They showed the angle on tv.That’s beyond uncatchable.

[@readmelancholystrumpetmaster]

The fumble/ "incomplete pass" made me question what a pass is.

[@cohoanglervancouverwa6755]

The enormous number of penalties made the game unwatchable. Football has too many rules. The officials could call a penalty on every play, particularly holding.

[@Maxdouble07]

Refs ruined this game last night. The NFL are making the games hard to watch because of nonsense like this.

[@CharlesDriver-hj4xp]

The game was so bad I started to score the refs on how they threw the flags. 😂

[@jcore0981]

Yes

[@YoutuberRick18363]

Josh Allen and the wrs cry every time and chance they get because it works for the chiefs. Floppers. Go play soccer instead.

[@tdtommy196]

I remember saying the same things about the Patriots when the Bills were a bad team. It's all perspective. "They're flopping and crying!" With the exception of Aaron Rogers, who NEVER flops or cries about calls (True man's man), the guys on your team put their hands up and cry for calls all the time too.

[@deliriousgeorge2879]

If it works it works, don’t hate the players for playing

[@BWeManX]

The main problem is that the 3 dumbest penalties in the NFL are: Roughing The Passer Offensive Holding Defensive Pass Interference And they were called CONSTANTLY in this game. They are worth way too many yards, highly subjective, and are mostly just the guy doing the job he's supposed to do.

[@ThorGodofThunder420]

Great breakdown. Totally agree with everything in the video. The "fumble" was definitely the worst one for me because I just don't see how they could call what he did a throw. The arm went forward but it looked like he was trying to hold the ball and it got knocked loose. At the very least (and I don't recall any eligible receivers in the area) it could have been grounding.

[@timcritchfield]

No. 1 rule is don't touch Aaron "Crybaby" Rodgers or his Big Daddy Refs will call the penalties.

[@smellsfargo]

Gotta disagree. It's an interdivisional game, let them play

[@fleammm]

😂

[@SneakySnake133]

It’s not interdivisional lol they’re in the same division

[@smellsfargo]

@@SneakySnake133 wait isn't intradivisional outside of division? Lol am I trppin

[@louiscypher4186]

​@@smellsfargo inter = between. Intra = within.

[@smellsfargo]

@@louiscypher4186 whoppsie

[@javierseguram1167]

"Roughing the Old Man" is a new foul in football... good to know.

[@Brando-_-440]

Refs turning the players into crybaby bitches. This is same thing that ruins the last 2 minutes of every basketball game.

[@nichodemus10]

On the Allen roughing, i think the issue that the tackler initiates thetackle with a jumping leap and their helmets touch. A little soft, but letter of the rule, much like the Rodgers Roughing is a call that fans hate, but it is too hard to legislate acceptable helmet contact so here we are.

[@jamessnee7171]

I agree. Its the rules that suck, not the refs. They will turn it into flag football soon.

[@lorenzobolis5166]

The most puzzling to me is the Reed PI: ok he initially has no track of the ball, but as they are colliding he starts turning around to locate the ball and the WR runs into him; yes he impedes the WR, but only because he is in better position, standing between him and an underthrown ball; it's not like he must step aside to let the WR make a play on the ball...

[@brianprobert3090]

That's the way I see it too. A receiver shouldn't be able to make a J turn directly into the path of the defender (regardless of whether he's looking back or not) and get the call

[@markfoll5292]

You are wrong about the Garrett Wilson pi call. He held him on his shoulder the entire play. That’s defensive pi all day.

[@ericimi]

Disagree with you

[@toddfelong6399]

Dude, really? I am upset no one officiated this KZbin recommendation to me.

[@MikeDuncan-c4w]

I turned on the rockford files during the second half....

[@ricardofishbach]

why is this even a debate? it was a perfectly clean hit and the ball never even left rodgers hand obviously a sack

[@UHFStation1]

He didn't put all his weight on Rogers. His hands and feet were mostly on the ground. He may have used all his weight to get momentum, but when he was horizontal he was rolling off.

[@waltersteele7141]

The last PI is not clear and should have been a no call. The offensive player redirected and initiated the contact with the defender while the defender was playing the ball. This is “a clear “ no call.

[@calvinit21]

Remember the Clowney sack on Joe Burrow last year that took him out for the season? Clowney was doing everything he could to AVOID getting all his body weight on Burrow. That resulted in him landing on Burrow's wrist. So yeah, that is a dumb rule.

[@crazyralph6386]

I’m sure Goodell was happy, with all the extra revenue from tv commercials!

[@nichodemus10]

It is easy to say in hindsight, but if there was an over/under on penalties. This game should have been an automatic overbet. It is a divisional game, for the top spot, with a team trying to set the tone for a new defensive minded head coach, with the loser of the game going from superbowl expectations to a near irrelevancy position where the rest of the season will be going through the motions whiling feeling you lost the 'must win game' Refs might have flag happy, and wishing they had the opportunity to call offsetting unsportsmanlike penalties but both teams were professional enough to keep the cheating between the whistles.

[@tonyconiglio6941]

The roughing the passer on Rodgers should not have been called. Just because it kinda fits the letter of the law doesn't mean it's the correct call, that's a legal philosophy called positivism which should not be used when calling penalties in a professional sport. Not every thing that technically breaks the rules is called, can be called, or should be called. Referees in every sport balance between over calling and interrupting the flow of the game and under calling and letting things get too rough. Discretion is inherently part of the job. Choosing to take a 4th & super long and turning it into a 1st and 10 because of a soft landing on a QB bc muh rules is not even remotely justifiable.

[@kevinallen9009]

You are wrong about the roughing on Allen, there was helmet to helmet contact at the beginning of the sack, but your camera angle doesn’t show it fully. Helmet to helmet is a cut and dry penalty.

[@kevinquinn225]

Walk away from it! Its managed and corrupted! All of it! Walk away and let them sink!

[@miniharez]

I don’t think they were bad. You saw both teams were highly agitated getting into constant fights, they were all high strung and they were making mistakes. Now that doesn’t mean that there weren’t bad calls, but definitely nothing as dramatic as people are making it out to be.

[@benheidemann3836]

I seriously doubt that the “most of their weight” bar is cleared (or even close) on the first one…

[@econhelp583]

I don’t think Jackson says anything here that is too unreasonable. Colin Cowherd made a point that because it was a Monday night game the refs were trying to make a statement that they would be strictly enforcing rules and were a bit flag happy and were erring on the side of giving a penalty. The problem is that the NFL is trying to reduce injuries which requires reduced contact but the whole game is about contact. Also, enforcement is uneven so players tend to push limits and when the refs are flag happy, ugh, it is not fun to watch.

[@gamewhiz23]

Obviously a zebra taker

[@timothyeargle5621]

And what about jets getting that one field goal and it was excepted as touch down when they had missed the goalie???then they got the three points...

[@NewYorkNYKer]

Except the Epanesa sack on Rogers, all calls were legit.. that 3rd down personal foul was sick to my stomach!!!

[@thereal1162]

They wanted the jets to win

[@tdtommy196]

Yep, the Bills beat 2 teams in 1 game. Impressive.

[@unforgivenkd]

Would love you to do this for the Raiders Steelers game. Worst called game I’ve ever seen.

[@mentalcow]

There was a lot of sloppy play which is why I do feel for the refs a tiny bit but also... you cannot be calling a penalty every play, like unless its an obvious one it just ruins the watching experience. They also need to look at the ineligible man downfield calls, I do get the advantage they may cause but as a viewer you do not even notice them AND the players dont either cause players will signal for ever penalty in the game but I havent once seen someone cry for that to be called. The pis and the roughing are so hard cause I get it but nobody likes them and they are just whatever the refs feel like on the day, uncatchable balls dont exist and depending on the official it is either just tight play or a spot foul.. It was a sloppy game and there was a lot of real penalties but surely part of being a ref is knowing when to let the boys play, like it goes too far in the other direction sometimes but playoff hockey when they refs might as well not even bring a whistle for the first round is some of the most fun sporting to watch and imo football refs need to start adjusting to the game, if they have been sloppy and holding for 3 quarters maybe we gotta swallow some of em in the 4th.

[@tdtommy196]

Sorry, but you're wrong. Neither of those roughing the passer penalties should have been called. Did Epenesa land on top of Rogers? Yes. However, that is NOT the rule. The rule is that you cannot land on top of the QB with all your body weight, and that is absolutely NOT what he does there. Watch his legs, It's more like a wrestling take down. His left leg is forward knee bent, and his body weight is not fully channeled into the hit. On top of that, his right hand braces the fall even further taking body weight away from the hit. Sorry, but you are absolutely incorrect in your assessment. The call was a complete joke, and the officials in this game were absolute dog crap.

[@lyletheegg]

Josh Allen is a shameless flopper if nfl had yellow cards Allen would get them every game

[@thomasdoughty88]

They need to add language if passed, how can rough the passer if there is no pass play

[@avionsocool9944]

Not sloppy for the bills

[@TerrenceGallagher]

how about a non-call? on a crucial down, jets wr grabs damar hamlin's facemask & rips his helmet off.... no call on the facemask.

[@spindog9600]

Those were all questionable calls,..😮

[@avionsocool9944]

Why u ain’t mention the missed pat that they said was good

[@johnyates7566]

You can not defend the calls, this is how the games are fixed through the officials You people who try and defend it make me laugh and the commentators won't speak the truth because of their jobs. The nfl is a public joke.

[@thomasdoughty88]

I guess I should have watched the whole video so disappointed in your views are you a Jets fan??