Western rattler, 357 suppressor, and in general, making a suppressor for your air guns.

[@ryanfreebird1982]

Good looking out.. I like this

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

Happy to hear it! I’ve come a really long way since this video. Machining aluminum baffles on the lathe, making custom CNC machine, parts and testing as far as within SOS scope and 2 dB meters, I went a little crazy, and developed my own suppressor, 29 dB quieter than the closest competitor with seven office shelf top of the line air gun suppressors. Then I made a 3-D printed model, I have videos on all of it. Appreciate the feedback though for sure.

[@ryanfreebird1982]

@@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining have you tried the Donny FFL suppressor? Is it worth it? Does it make it quieter than this system you created?

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

@@ryanfreebird1982 Those are frankly the worst suppressors on the market. They are just small tubes with huge openings in them inside a larger tube, they do make it quieter, but so does the hollow aluminum tube on the FX guns, they are not much better. If you want an ACTUAL suppressor let me know I'll make you a custom one.

[@Liam-ql7tr]

sniff sniff... for no snow you have a cold. 🤧 keep up the work

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

Yes, because I’m used to having snow, we are having days that are 40 and 50°, and then days right after that are -20, and no snow at all all year! Totally ridiculous a year

[@ryanfreebird1982]

Question, my trigger stopped working out of the blue so I mailed it in under warranty as the guns only two months old it comes back and it’s louder than it was.. The same muffler can was still on and reinforced it more but the gun is louder.. Do you know what could be the reason or adjustment that could cause this? Could it just be the back adjustment giving it more power? Your take?

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

Hey man, it could be the regulator. If you're getting higher velocity also, that's probably it, otherwise, can you tell me anything else about the characteristics of the gun? Is it shooting as accurately, how much kick, velocity, and projectile, weight and type, cycling, trigger pull??? The regulator is adjusted at the front of the dial just above the bottle, you can turn it with a 1.5mm allen or the like, and left is higher as it opens the valve, right is lower as it closes it...

[@tedshickell7315]

How much you charge to make me one for my .35 cal aea challenger the standard one

[@ryanfreebird1982]

What kind of surpressor did you use? I did what you are showing here and want to quote it up more.. would you say a Donny Fl Emperor would do better?

[@williamh6547]

How did you get the short moderator apart?? Cause I don't see any welds, unless it's screwed together some way, cause I intend on putting some muffler packing in mine. Thanks??

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

Yes, at threads apart, the bottom threads out and the top slides out

[@williamh6547]

@@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining thanks alot bro, to be honest, at first I tried to unscrew it and thought I was going to break something 😂😂😅😅😅 they had that torqued pretty good from the factory. Thanks for your help. And I definitely agree, it's a good suppressor, just needs to be finished with packing.

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

@@williamh6547 yes, I agree on that. I just have changed my mind on what type of packing to use. It has been a long road with modifying suppressors, I have gone as far as to buy a 500 pound lathe, a $10,000 CNC machine, milling CNC machine, and I have been making my own internals as well as parts and even car parts. But I have my suppressors 29 dB lower than the best moderators on the market. Forget about DONNYFL bro because I blew that one away. The closest competitor was the impulse it’s a great moderator, but mine was 29 dB quieter, check out some of my suppressor videos where I manufacture them

[@theguy2137]

Good to see more Rattler vids finally! subbed.

[@rcrdps8144]

Niiiice range! I'm jealous. When I saw folks using those DonnyFL's, I googled the stack pictures, and could definitely see they aren't very efficient. And while the Rattler/Sidewinder is better, it could still be much quieter. I like to imagine that it "could" be backyard quiet. I do wonder about any air leaks from it being a semi-auto action though. Do you feel like there is much noise from the breech? But I get your desire to impulse buy a DonnyFL because it's easier. I've kinda figured I'd do that( not for the Western's) just to have a base to start modifying. Assuming the rear threads have a shoulder to square up to and keep in alignment, I'd gut the rest of the stack and probably "print" a new one. I feel 3d printed has a place here since there's no heat to deteriorate the plastic, and the outer metal shell will help with stresses. Two points against the Rattler stack: 1) That tube through the middle is going to tend to guide a bunch of air straight out the end. It would be better to delete the tube, and put outer spacers between the washers. But maybe they did it this way to help stay off the ATF's radar. Other US airgun manufacturers have real stacks though,.. like Benjamin and Airforce. 2) Symmetry: Depending on its thickness, you could possibly redrill those holes in the tube at an angle. Drill through both sides from one side and do not alternate drilling angles. That way you end up with an asymmetrical push on that jet of air so that it hopefully ends up hitting a baffle. This is a lot of what differentiates older/simpler designs from the newer more efficient ones. Modern designs don't only rely on expansion of the gasses. You have to redirect the jet going down the middle. Consider when you're driving down the interstate with your window open, and a slight breeze pushes that 70mph wind into your left ear. That is what you want to accomplish in your stack,..and all in one direction.

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

So I think the western needs a way for the air to get out, it needs a muzzle, brake, and some holes in the suppressor shroud. I don’t think 3-D printed stuff is going to be good for this at all, I actually have a video I have to upload. I made an aluminum solid piece to go inside my trident because it had the wrong size threads and I tried to use a bushing, but it wasn’t completely straight and damaged the inside, and that’s one of my favorite moderators because of the brake compensator and it just reduces sound better, but now, after making a couple of modifications to the internals, I made one solid piece of aluminum from 1 1/2 inch aluminum bar stock, and I machined it to fit exactly in the lip at the compensator, and the rest of the way down is all thick baffles that are V cut with holes machine through each baffle in the center going both directions so on all four sides. I will post the video later today if you want to take a look. That moderator is 19 dB quieter than my quietest moderator.

[@rcrdps8144]

@@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining Will check it out. But I will say that 3d printing can handle a lot when heat isn't involved. You of course have to make things thicker than if you were making them out of metal,...

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

@@rcrdps8144 but these are air guns, there is no heat. The compressed air actually makes it cold enough to condensate. Aluminum is a very solid option because it absorbs sound better, it’s more resilient and durable, and will not break. I feel 3-D printed plastic is flimsy most of the time unless you’re using good wire, but instead of a 3-D printer, I ended up buying a CNC mill and a lathe, and they have been machining aluminum that way for moderators because anything else is too heavy. I am 29 dB quieter than the best moderator I’ve bought and I have bought so many I’ve lost count. And now I have modified almost every single one, the same way with similar results on all of them. Trust me, I’ve tried and tested it. It works.

[@rcrdps8144]

@@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining I think we basically agreed on the heat "argument". I have 2 3d printers, cnc, and 2 lathes. I've done a form1 AR silencer on a previous lathe and mill. I still wager that a 3d printed stack inside a harder shell( cf tube), can be designed to withstand an airgun, and the flexibility of CAD and printing would allow it to be made more efficient. Simple K baffles machined from delrin work quite well on airguns, but you always want to push the envelope. I'd print in either PC, CF Nylon, or with Syria tech sculpt on my resin printer.

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

@@rcrdps8144 Agreed, I do have a tendency of pushing the envelope, but if your using derlin, and the material is good quality I think it's totally possible. Just not sure if it would be MORE effective, but i'd be interested to see. I don't have a 3d printer. I've considered buying one, but I just like making things out of metal better, so I have the MR-1 CNC, a 500lb Lathe, and milling table, bandsaw, plasma cutter, multiprocess welder, etc, etc. But I'm honestly interested in the theory.

[@ryanfreebird1982]

I’m asking the Donny FFL suppressor. Does it work any better than what you were doing here?

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

Absolutely not, the factory suppressor is better! It has actual baffles. Danny doesn’t do baffles.

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

That gun is gonna be loud, no matter what you do, it’s a lot of air

[@normangilden3453]

How did you disassemble the moderator? Because the one I have doesn’t slip on like the one you are showing

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

If it’s the same gun, it does come off that you have to unthread it. It is threaded on, but I would change my recommendation at this point. I’ve been doing a lot of research and making my own internals for all my other moderators, and I would suggest using felt and wire mesh or wire screening underneath and on top of the filth, if you were going to modify the moderator

[@normangilden3453]

@@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining yes it treaded on but it’s on there and I’ve tried all different ways to get it untreated. But being that it’s aluminum you can’t put to much torque on it or it deforms the metal. I will send over pictures.

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

@@normangilden3453 no don’t put a lot of pressure on it, it is Loctite it on yes, I realize it’s aluminum, you don’t want to use a lot of pressure or torque, it should come off, fairly easily use a heat gun at the threads. It will come off fairly easily. If you use a rubber wrench a strap wrench, you can twist it right off doing no damage at all.

[@normangilden3453]

@@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining thx I will try

[@GregoryMcBride-qf7hx]

If you’re getting pellet clipping, it’s not because they used a small hole unless you got a faulty one, most likely it’s off center so you’re getting clipping? Is it legit catching the bullets?

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

Oh my God dude it’s been such a long road since then, since then, I literally bought a CNC machine, a bench top lathe that weighs 500 pounds, and I have been cutting all of my suppressors and making them so much better. I have been machining one piece of aluminum to fill the entire suppressor with all baffles and holes between the baffles on all four sides. Watch some of my newer videos you’ll see I even did a couple where I was machining it in the video, then I did some sound testing, and it blows away any of the stock moderators that I had, which was an impulse, several Donnie, FLC, the Trident moderator, the FX/Danny, FL, a bunch of moderators and on the decibel meter mine was 19 dB lower than any of them

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

But yes, the emperor was off by 4° and it was literally catching slugs in the side of the moderator, that should not be able to happen. I don’t believe that that opening or any opening in it should be larger than the caliber of the bullet going through it, except for the hole going directly through it, just my opinion and logic

[@christophermarcellus8860]

👍you just got a new subscriber

[@Car_Lift_Manufacturer]

how are you, how about your lift now.

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

Hi Jay, I’m not sure what you mean?

[@Car_Lift_Manufacturer]

@@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining 9000 extra-wide extra high commercial-grade lift.

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

@@Car_Lift_Manufacturer oh, did you see my post about the lift? It was a disaster! My credit card company refunded me, rightfully so, I sent them all the evidence, and was vindicated.

[@Car_Lift_Manufacturer]

​@@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining yes,i see your post on youtube. Well done!

[@derrickmitchell39dm]

I just got the Rattler it is a air hog. 81 grain at 1020 fps. I know I need to turn it down for shoot count.

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

Yes, it is definitely an air hug! You hit that nail on the head, I have a 700 cc bottle, and anytime I’m going to shoot more than one magazine I tether it, no choice. I have my regulator up to 210, and my wheel pretty far up as well, it’s an awesome gun, immense power, but yes, it is a complete air hog. Try turning the regulator down, as well as the power wheel.

[@derrickmitchell39dm]

@@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining I'm at 180 on the reg at a 275 fill.

[@bloodops3751]

Sub. Great job

[@MorningStar-DCLXVI]

You just don't understand the science of what you were attempting to do. And I don't have the time to explain it. However we will tell you what to use to make it quieter. Instead of using door insulation, use yellow sponge. It is more porous and can be compressed because between the baffles just the right thickness to produce the effect you are looking for. You want it wrapped tight. Just try it and see. It's what I use in the one I made for the hammer.50 cal. Donny FL don't compare. Wish you much success.

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

The science behind it on that gun is a decibel meter reading 19 dB lower. So that stuff I ended up taking out and I ended up using a foam insulation that is very pliable similar to a yellow sponge, but a little bit more dense. Still has enough opening for air to flow through more freely than that insulation would, but I used it on a couple of suppressors already. Only the ones that are not baffled and I did use it on part of that one because it really does muffle the sound between the baffles, and I get a much lower reading on the decibel meter, so obviously it definitely makes a big difference. The Donny FL suppressors I used the same material to go over the little bit of felt and wiremesh, and had similar results. But the one I had the best results on is the trident, I made my own baffling for that and took 1/2 inch hollow steel tubing and bored out lines smaller than a 22 on four sides because I was putting it out at 22, then put five washers, one of which fit right in the bottom, where the machines part of the old plastic that was inside used to fit and set it perfectly center, the others for sound reduction, and used the bottom plastic piece. That was the original one heated that and put the steel tube in the center of it to guide that perfectly center on the bottom, and that is the quietest suppressor I have. I will do all of that in place, drilled out the holes to exactly half an inch in the middle of the washers and machine to the outside to fit perfectly in the tube. Best suppressor I have by far! 56db

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

Maybe you should look at some of my more recent videos, I haven’t been using door insulation. I have been machining, solid, aluminum bar stock, and making my own baffles with holes in each direction in between each one. I have been 19 dB quieter than the most quiet suppressor I have bought, which I have bought all the major brands. How’s that for science?

[@MorningStar-DCLXVI]

@@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining that's about exactly what I did. I made my own baffles and drilled holes from one chamber to the next. First is the blast chamber. Then after that is 4 in the first, 3 in the second two I'm the second, 2 in the third, and 1 in the fourth. The last three have no holes. However I did use yellow sponge in-between all my baffles to cushion the sound. Also I used a ten inch tube (infinity). It is Hollywood quiet.

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

@@MorningStar-DCLXVI I like that! I tried it with salt, but you can see in some of my videos. I did some machining of the aluminum barstock for the baffles, and made a video of it, and a couple videos where you can see the suppressors tested for decibel readings next to each other. Pretty hard to debate with that. Sounds like you and I had a lot of thinking alike. I didn’t change the amount of holes. I did all four holes in every section, and I did the Trident moderator and kept the flip compensator at the end, and I did holes in both directions, making four holes in each section between the baffles. Worked fantastic, literally quieter than any other suppressor I’ve bought, and the only one that’s actually quieter is the Bohemeth from edgun, that thing is unbelievable. They used heavy steel tubing for the center, with holes as many as screening, and they used rat wool like from a Russian war coat is what it says, it works unbelievable! And I’m shooting heavy 25 caliber, and even 35 caliber, I bought the 35 the new 9 mm in 450 mm barrel because of the 130 cc Plenum and 470 cc bottle, then I bought a 25 caliber barrel and magazines, so I can get the most power out of that, and I got the smallest jets and largest puck, I’m still testing with it, I’ll have a video of that shortly

[@ezrabrook3993]

🤔👍🏻✌🏻

[@majidtorkamani6004]

Grab a tissue first dude

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

I love when arrogant assholes actually take the time to make stupid ass comments like that as if you’re hurting my feelings, do you really think I give a flying fuck what you think about me grabbing a tissue? Trust me, you are not affecting my day in any way, shape or form, but I’m glad that you let me take up space in your head for free, have a great day

[@DutchAce]

But it really looks you take some yeyo or something greetings from dutch no hate i was thinking about blanco punto hehe

[@atlantaacman4750]

A big ole fat line. Sniff sniff, annoying!

[@Cjsairgunscarsandmachining]

Dude, that was in the winter, and I plow snow and outside. Yes I get a cold and I have the sniffles, if it’s so annoying why the hell are you watching it and even more than that why are you taking the time to comment on it? I mean you’re just giving away space in your head for free, you think you’re insulting me? Frankly, you’re probably some fucking bum that has nothing better to do than watch KZbin, and make nasty comments! You don’t like it don’t watch it dude I don’t give a shit.

[@FacelessMan777]

Because a couple of you guys are giving him shit, I froze the video and looked at his pupils. He is absolutely sober and no signs being under the influence of any crank, coke, Adderall or any amphetamines or anything. I was a deputy sheriff on Los Angeles County Sheriff's Dept. The biggest, most advanced, best trained department in the nation, with an annual budget of $4 Billion/,yr. Do you know how much one billion is? I retired in 2020. His pupils are perfectly normal. I made way too many 11350 H&S of 11550 H&S code arrests in spite of the fact I hated arresting on chicken shit under the influence deals. But sometimes people are assholes and force the issue. I worked a tour in West Hollywood and we had the Sunset Strip and Hollywood Hills. Holy shit bindles of coke and meth would be fall from the sky there. So quit fucking with Chris. Maybe you are envious this young man(Chris) has every toy you wish you had. And he has more tools and a shop the envy of anybody that knows how to turn a wrench or build a house. It's because he looks so young isn't it and he is well on his way. Fuck these pukes Chris. Keep up the great work. I just bought a Rattler and appreciate your knowledge and information on the subject.