What 2500 matches does to your Ghost AI | TEKKEN 8

[@Dizintegrator]

The problem with Ghosts is that they use Ai model to drive them. And, contrary to what many believe, Ai posesse no intelligence nor does it understand WHY it should do some things over others. Its just a statistical chance of doing a move/sequence influenced by your play data. "Braindead" was a good word to describe ghosts. Not "bad", but "dead".

[@BigDaddyWes]

It's not really an "AI model." There's no machine learning involved. It can never do something you haven't. It only replicates what you've done.

[@Dizintegrator]

@@BigDaddyWes Thats exactly what pre-trained Ai model does. The problem is that, similar to what you've mentioned, there's only one Ai model (which they've trained once and that doesnt adjust itself) and your "ghost" is just a set of weights that influence it to do one move over others. So it feels just like that, an estimated guess move replicator :)

[@sighyawn6378]

I also use ghost battle for like casual play and warmups. Things I've learned about them. They learn stuff from ranked games. They never completely unlearn something so if you dropped a combo a few times when first learning your character they will never forget that specific way you dropped the combo forever. It literally will copy and paste your inputs for combos regardless of distance to wall. I've seen it do full big boy combos in retaliation right after I landed the exact same combo. Same for flow charts. I deliberately tested to see if I could teach it to do certain attacks in a certain sequence and It copied me exactly. Jab on hit into CH mid for example. But jab on block to another jab. I recently learned to play Lars so I got to make a fresh ghost for a new character. I play really defensive and block a lot and also like to orbital over lows. My Lars ghost plays defense so well that it feels like input reading at some times. On open stages the bot seems to do my combos no problem, but it sometimes does my day 1 combos instead of optimal routes because it doesn't know how to unlearn an old combo. Also, my Lars ghost seems to auto duck strings that end in highs and block punishes most of the time. (my block punishment wasn't perfect obviously) Anyways, I hope they do an update for ghost battle eventually. Include a way to reset the ghost to unlearn things maybe. I hope they don't abandon the gamemode completely because I think it could still be cool.

[@AlistairAliceEarl]

The way the ghosts start cooking then immediately dropping the combo is hilarious

[@TerraFuu]

Fun little experiment!

[@LonandoSFX]

I don't usually use it for training. I just f*ck around with the AI and make it learn moves that would be useless in a real match. I can essentially orchestrate what I want a fight to look like, and make the whole match flashy moves instead of a sweaty infinite wall combo to ground break to a wall bounce to another wall combo to rage art and repeat the whole cycle BS. In short; I'm making the most of the neglected single player modes.

[@rl7_slimkat]

The team is using GAIL learning which rewards the model for how well it imitates you in x or y situations, not how well it actually fights or adapts.

[@shu9220]

great video man! could you give a link to that blue health bar mod? I've been trying to find it. I can't find it anywhere

[@Adieu_tk]

tekkenmods.com/mod/4344/tekken-tag-2-inspired-hud-mod

[@shu9220]

I appreciate it thanks man

[@emeritus666]

I wish I could reset my ghost, my Leo is still using ancient simple combos I used when I first started using juggles. Maybe 1 in 20 times did my ghost use one of my current juggle combos. Then I’d use one of the standard 10-hit combos a single time and the ghost will start to use it repeatedly. It’s so strange.

[@Adieu_tk]

There was something online that said if you waited forty days and did not play that character your ghost would reset. I tested this when the game initially came out with leo, funnily enough. While absolutely does not delete or reset your ghost, your ghost forgets most of the things that it did previously. But it will always hold on to some of the initial conditioning. After resetting it and playing against it about 2-3 hundred games, it's largely an entirely different ghost. But I understand that's a lot of commitment since Leo is your main character 😭

[@-KLEEKO-]

I have never lost a single ghost match the ai is horrible

[@StevenWays]

This is a good thing.

[@Empty_Roar]

I loop stance cancels that my ghost could never hope to copy. Its useless

[@mmkaykats]

Mmmm bet it could