What A Chemist Said About Toned Coins & Restoring Coins

What A Chemist Said About Toned Coins - How To Protect Coins. In this video you will learn what a chemist said about coin toning, how to restore coins and how to prevent toning and properly store your coins. It doesn't matter if your coins are nickel, copper, silver or gold, this is how you prevent toning which is damage and tarnish.
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[@linneisenhower2571]

Hi Daniel. I am also a retired chemist and a long time follower of your channel and occasional commenter. I’ve made the same argument re surface reactions on coins being technically “damage” to that surface, vs assertions by numismatists like John Albanese of CAC that ugly toned coins are desirable because they display originality. Nope - the original coin surface was consumed during the process of toning. Re storage, I have used Intercept slab boxes to store coins for decades. The concept was invented by an individual at Bell Labs and used the principle of sacrificial reaction to protect other metals. The inner dark liner of those boxes is infused with copper which reacts with toning gasses and locks them up so they can’t react with coin metal. Unfortunately, the copper has a limited absorption capacity and indicates by turning black that it is spent. Wizard is where I’ve bought mine. Hope this is useful.

[@CoinHELPu]

Yes, thank you for your comment, he mentions Bell Labs in the book too.

[@billweinholtz154]

Good morning Daniel, I’ve been a machinist for 52 years and knowing what happens to different metals and materials has been something I’ve paid attention to. Thank you for sharing this with us and I’ll be getting the book today after work 😂

[@allthingssilver7635]

I buy charcoal dehumidifiers from dollar tree and keep them in my safe. It's amazing how fast the bottom part of it fills up with water. Silica gel packs work too but they don't last long and there's no good way to tell when they need to be replaced

[@robertscheinost179]

You can't argue with a chemist!

[@Rob-sx8ek]

Wizard is one of my favorites for supplies. Quality stuff at great prices.

[@bullitt7544]

Thank you for being 100% Right on Toning. I agree.

[@monkeyman4131]

Thank you once again Daniel for the great info . We coin collectors would be poorer with out yer videos . I bought Intercept years ago . They work great . Well worth the price too keep yer coins the best you can . You are one of the best out here . Tom Daytona Beach , FL. 26, June 2024 .

[@johnfriend240]

Looking at that book on the shelf right over my computer screen...

[@michaelmartin4816]

You did a video with this book back at the end of April or the first part of May just before the Richmond, VA coin show. The first day of the show there was a guy who had a bunch of supplies & numismatic books who had two copies of that "Coin Chemistry" & because of your video I bought one. When I went back the second day the other book was gone. I haven't read the entire thing but the little that I have looked at it's a great wealth of knowledge & should be something that any serious collector has in their collection. I've been collecting for more than 20 yrs & had never heard of this book until your video so it's great that you shared this so thank you!

[@brianhagler4490]

I look forward to your videos all the time! No blib blab, straight up useful information that increases my knowledge- so much appreciated.

[@jimweber5323]

Thanks for the info Daniel, I think what gets people upset about cleaning coins is that it is so easy to do it the wrong way. And once incorrectly cleaned it is just one more damaged coin lost to the rest of the coin collecting world. Most people have no business trying to clean coins so it is easier, safer? to say don't clean your coins. You are a professional and I have no problem with what you do, I am just a little uneasy about lay people thinking they should clean their coins.

[@66block84]

Thanks Daniel, very informative. I got started in coins buying junk Morgans and Peace dollars. Some are in flips, some are in capsules (the better ones). Some are black on one side and fine on the other. Some look like they were glued to a brown paper bag. I have one coated in gold and another that the reverse is painted blue. My intent is to some day clean them, first by just washing them with dish soap. Then maybe some E Z Est.

[@Hotbuyking]

Daniel, another informative video. As the coin grading companies call it, "conservation."

[@Chuds_duds]

All coins are damaged coins unless in perfect mint state, because anything else is damage.🙂

[@markjohnson9445]

Good info. But I must say.I still love lightly rainbow tonning.

[@ShirlBussman]

I found Wizard a long time ago. Great company and products. Thanks Daniel. 🤗

[@MarkA-Coins]

Thanks Daniel. While I understand toning is a damage to a coin, once in awhile, I dont mind an edge toned Morgan. Overall though, I prefer them blast white and my copper to stay as red as it can be. I'll check this out for sure.

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[@trinhbui3585]

Good evening Daniel from Maryland. How are you Daniel? I like the video.

[@1011Shke]

Nice show today Daniel ! Interesting comments. Stay calm. 😉😄 I myself use primarily the Leuchtturm Ultra Intercept capsules for storing my more valuable coins, some gold included. I buy from Lighthouse but i need to check out Wizard now. I do have one coin im worried about - 1883 O Morgan, NGC MS66 when i bought it, with beautiful rainbow toning in half moon on reverse. You saw a picture of it some time ago. The toning is spreading to almost whole reverse. Not sure if im going to do anything about it but i think ill try to find a copy of the book you noted. Thx again for a good show.

[@numismaticstacker]

Greatest video I've ever seen on coins by far! Wow I love learning NEW things about coins.

[@henryburness3580]

Heard a rumor silver wire pipe used in Manhattan project being reused for silver coins ever hear such a thing ?

[@johnpeek827]

Copper is a very reactive metal. it's just waiting to expel any free Cu ions. I'm assuming this results in the toning process too. Chlorine really facilitates this reaction and is easily visible, to the human eye. You'll see your pennies turn pinkish/red and for the most part damaged beyond restoration.

[@giegie6283]

Thank you Daniel for sharing this information. God bless you.

[@jenihansen7201]

Hello Daniel. thank you so much for all of your valuable lessons to us. We appreciate it.

[@ZoomedOut2020]

Thanks for your recommendation for Wizard Supply….. I had been looking for a reputable supply shop….

[@jp27whodey31]

I use wizard too. Love em

[@josevarjas8263]

There is no substitute frosty white coins. Since toning can be done artificially I don’t want to get deceived. So I stay away from toned coins.

[@Twelvestonestacking]

Hey there...quick question: what coin viewer, make and model # do you use and recommend? What do you like most and least?

[@paulbruney5091]

Good morning from Arizona Sir Daniel. That's some very interesting information. Have a great day!

[@dougwagoner2620]

Good video Daniel

[@borisperez3129]

Hickock45 has a very heartfelt and to the point video about how there’s too much hate, especially here in social media. Always like 👍 never hate like grandma said if you ain’t got nothing nice to say keep your mouth shut, unless they step on your toes!

[@gpscoindondelasmonedascuen6318]

Ebay has a lot

[@bobporch]

That book is out of print and can be rather pricey to obtain in the secondary market.

[@CoinHELPu]

It's worth it.

[@Rob-sx8ek]

Tarnish = 👎 toner = 👍 so funny what just calling it something that sounds more appealing will do lol.

[@ibji]

Now I'm wondering how long a graded slabbed coin will retain its grade after being slabbed? Should slabs have expiration dates printed on them?

[@CoinHELPu]

Most always retain their grades, as long as they're stored properly.

[@tracyuliano3406]

Hello, I have what I think is proof of a buffalo nickel. What is there such a thing?

[@michaelspellman8624]

Hey Daniel, I'm a new comer to the channel...I'm wondering which grading service is best for someone who occasionally wants to submit a coin...The process seems so freaking difficult to decipher...I'm not sure if I'm going to end up owing them $kk's of dollars...I can't possibly be the only one...thanks Michael

[@CoinHELPu]

Call the grading service, ANACS coin grading will help you and I have videos on how to do it.

[@acousticshadow4032]

"All toning is damage to the coin." ~ TY for making my point, Daniel. Gimme Frosty or Blast White, any day! 😉 Btw, I also use a book to back up my coin cleaning policy. The unedited manuscript to the Bible provides the following; "On the 8th day, he cleaned his shekels with e~Z~est.". 😇

[@man-lt5qy]

These toned coins that have blasting colors were tampered with, yet they command big prices, you know, this is crooked !!! The grading companies should call this dishonesty out !!!

[@marianmoses9604]

The way to avoid being ripped-off with ridiculous pricing for beautifully toned coins is to avoid buying them. Trying to discern the difference between NT and AT is largely a waste of time IMHO. All toning is the same thing - a chemical reaction on the surface of the coin. The surface has been altered either way. So it really doesn’t matter. If you LIKE the way it looks and you just gotta have it….well…you have to decide for yourself how much you are willing to pay for your “purdy” toned coin. There is no objective standard and no way of objectively pricing such coins. But as a general rule if the toning has fantastic eye appeal there will always be those who will shell out extra $$$$ - sometimes substantially more - to possess it. In the end, it’s a free market. But let the buyer beware. You may have trouble making your money back when you need to sell it. Especially if the toning progresses further and becomes unattractive.

[@man-lt5qy]

@@marianmoses9604 Absolutely!!!!!!!

[@marianmoses9604]

I love rainbow toning on coins, but agree 100% that all toning is a chemical reaction with the environment and it is surface damage. Best solution: Put coins in intercept shield holders and store in a dry place free of reactive chemical vapors and with a good moisture abatement system. Also, once toning advances too far and threatens to turn BLACK, the coin should be dipped to prevent severe and irreversible damage to the coin. Otherwise, the “eye appeal” drops to ZERO and what you are left with is a corroded coin. The entire numismatic hobby needs to get comfortable with CONSERVATION. This is not the same as ham-handed cleaning by morons. I’m talking about preventing toning and corrosion using professional chemical restoration techniques applied by expert restorers.

[@sixsixtysixanhour]

looks like the ATF will be giving Daniel a visit ....😂

[@albanesealbanese-yv2sd]

what if you want you want toning how do you do that Thanks Fred

[@CoinHELPu]

You buy toned coins.

[@marymastromauro8164]

A lot of it makes sense

[@trevormoebes4827]

Cleaned coin is a cleaned coin... Disqualified from the Sheldon scale

[@CoinHELPu]

You're incorrect. It doesn't work like that, chemistry proves that. NGC and PCGS and ANACS, all conserve coins that can be restored.

[@mikeperdew2719]

Dont forget about heat

[@CoinHELPu]

Heat is just an accelerant of the toning process.

[@MarkyB-yf9xr]

DAMAGE defined: physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function. None of this applies to toning. Corrosion, the reaction of two or more dissimilar materials making contact, airborn or otherwise, IS damage and often leads to pitting. Toning refers to a change of color and is visual in nature; just like the hobby. It can be attractive or unattractive but is still not damage. The fact that attractive toning ofter demands an increased premium supports that it's not damage. At least thanks for the topic.

[@CoinHELPu]

Incorrect, mint errors are damaged, waffled coins are damaged, hobo carved coins are damaged and yet they have more value than regular coins. Toning is corrosion that causes a change in color, it's not just a change in color. You used the only part of the definition of damage that made you correct and ignored the rest. Words are much more complicated then using just part of their meaning. Read the comments and the book, three chemist are telling you it is indeed damage, your opinion is wrong.

[@MarkyB-yf9xr]

@@CoinHELPu Please stay on topic. This has nothig to do with mint errors and I used the entire definition of damage. No chemistry class I attended ever described a molecular add, remove, or change as "damage". As to the chemists, there are many types. Hopefully the authors are physical chemists. My opinion, and the opinions of many others you've argued with over this, are not wrong. They're just not yours. Your page so you can have the last word.

[@CoinHELPu]

It is damage to a coin, it’s not my opinion. You’re ignoring most of the lexicon of damaged and its uses. You used the simple version. Just because some toning is colorful and some coins are worth more doesn’t mean it’s not damaged. Most people prefer white coins with little toning and untoned coins are worth more over the entire market. So there is a a loss of value. Bright white coins are worth more in the market, sell for more and sell the most, while most toned coins loose value and are damaged coins and less desirable. I’ve been in this business all my life and colorful toned coins with eye appeal are rare and not the whole. I am on topic, we collect damaged coins and physical or chemical is all the same as damaged. It’s not my opinion, it’s a fact and they don’t have to be any kind of chemist to give you the exact chemical reactions that cause toning which is a form of rust. It changed the chemical properties of the coins surface alloy.

[@andreavandekleut6379]

so , in otner words don,t trust any coin dealer ? because they will know about toning or cleaning (without evidence)??

[@CoinHELPu]

Just to be as blunt as you are, your ignorance is astounding. Toning is tarnish as rust is to steal, toning is damage to a coin. It’s a chemical reaction, it is a well known chemical reaction that is not supposed to happen to a coin. Using another chemical reaction to reverse the damage doesn’t harm the coin, that surface has already been harmed. Buy the book I showed so you can learn the facts. I can't help you with trust issues.

[@buyystocks]

There’s a dentist that restores coins and gets much better grades

[@niarbasdeenohw]

Agreed with linneisenhower2571