What All Christians NEED to Learn From the Alistair Begg Controversy

[@valkam9325]

This just reaffirms the notion that we shouldn’t put our trust in man. It is not God who fails us, but people.

[@IWillNOTbeShaken70x7]

Thank you Todd! I appreciate your efforts and handling of this issue in a godly way. Follow GOD, not man. No matter what. Keep in the WORD, read it DAILY, so that you may tell TRUTH from counterfeit.

[@barrettsmith881]

To attend this "wedding" is to condone sin! PERIOD! What's so hard to understand about that?

[@JonJaeden]

​@@GramGramGenX-ln5scHe also hung out with Pharisees. The point?

[@johnpaulkajoba9666]

But he didn’t condone but told them to repent and sin no more. Attending the wedding condones it and it’s sinful to condone blasphemies against God, like a gay wedding

[@tylerp1939]

@@GramGramGenX-ln5scyou have very poor discernment and Biblical understanding to even say such a thing.

[@JonJaeden]

​@@GramGramGenX-ln5scHe did not go to participate in or be a voyeur of their sin. Not attending gay/trans weddings does not preclude interacting with anyone. This is a straw man. Not all interactions are created equal.

[@tylerp1939]

@@JonJaeden He is obviously lacking judgement. His logic says Jesus would also go hang out at strip clubs with the sinners, but of course he wouldn't agree with it. It's hard to even dialogue with such nonsense.

[@nae1777]

I've been a listener of Alistair Begg for over 25 years and will continue to support his ministry. Your call to unity is truly rare - thank you! “Disagree not on the issue but on the application” is a good way to express it. As is your 7 big questions.

[@Charles-Paisley]

Ditto. Alistair Begg has a nuanced position that in some cases, it is better for the sake of evangelism to attend a wedding. I see no problem with that, even if I may not agree with it. It is really outrageous that people are disfellowshipping Alistair Begg over this.

[@e-bikeskibum7141]

@@Charles-Paisley The Pharisees jumped on Jesus when he ate with the Tax Collectors & Sinners!!! If it was up to the Pharisees, they would've stoned Jesus to death right there on the spot. Every day we live and work in a fallen world. We do business with sinners ALL day every day! Should we start interviewing our mechanic, our baker, our accountant etc...etc... to clarify what sins they commit???? How ridiculous does that sound?? Perhaps we should only do business with "certified" Christians???? How ridiculous. We need to be a witness in the fallen world, not of the world. I would attend my son's gay wedding, with him knowing where I stand, but I wouldn't shun him. What kind of love is that?

[@Charles-Paisley]

@@e-bikeskibum7141 Its shocking isn't it? I can understand that some people may disagree with the advice. But all these people who have disfellowshipped Alistair Begg is shocking! I am truly appalled.

[@RockyTop85]

You all are missing the fact that he has continued to dig in his heals and says his counsel would not change on it. What?? That is a problem.

[@nae1777]

@@RockyTop85 You disagree with his advice - but that's not a reason for him to change his position is it? You need to address what "sin" you believe he's guilty of before you can assert there's a problem.

[@drizzy8450]

Thanks for this video, Todd! This is a well needed encouragement to us in our discourse with those with whom we disagree!

[@frankmurphy6010]

unfortunately there were those who took the opportunity to be controversial to gain views on their blog, not being constructive , and loving for a brother in Christ , to me some of them reminded me of witch hunt, blatently dividing listeners unbiblically in my opinion thank you for this blog Todd..

[@addjoaprekobaah5914]

True. Many didn't respond with grace. It scared me to think of how we treated a man who in many ways can be considered faithful. I don't think unbelievers outside looking saw were presented with a good picture, a biblical picture of gently rebuking an older man in the faith. This man, unless things change will be sitting at the same seat with us on Abrahams table.

[@kierananderson5807]

Seriously though, Begg's advice is a tertiary area at best. There is no scripture in context that says one way or the other on the topic.

[@Desert-edDave]

@@kierananderson5807 'You will know them by their fruits,' If you attend a homosexual civil union (it's not marriage), you abide in it. It is as simple as that. This isn't something that needs to be directly stated in scripture, amongst many other things regarding the integrity of one who actually follows Christ. Those who straddle the fence to tickle ears and conform to the ways of the world severely risk hearing Christ's words in Matthew 7:21-23. 'Let love be sincere; hate what is evil, hold on to what is good' -Romans 12:9

[@jaywickman337]

​@@addjoaprekobaah5914Judas sat with Christ the entire time until his death! This isn't a case of turn the tables on sin and be tolerant to the poor old messanger. This is about declaring truth and keeping the path to righteousness open with direction signs, not road blocks.

[@baby.lemonade5864]

I see it too. brutal!!

[@anastasiaburr3959]

Alistair has not fallen!

[@robertdagit4315]

Fallen no, but grossly wrong in this circumstance yes

[@JonJaeden]

Perhaps not, but he's standing on a different foundation.

[@arclemons1967]

He's certainly stubbed his toe, though.

[@buddyroeginocchio9105]

Begg's standing for the sake of his immortal soul is in our Lord's hands, however Begg has unnecessarily created contention among the faithful over an issue of ungodly behavior.

[@petercollins7848]

It does not necessarily have to be called a ‘sin’! But he has made a serious mistake in his advice. Attending a ’gay wedding’ is to affirm and celebrate a sinful union. Pastor Begg made it far worse in his defensive sermon, which was appalling, mis-applied the scriptures that he used and accused those who tried to correct him of being ‘pharisees’ and worse! I have listened to and appreciated his ministry for years, so I am not going to reject him out of hand. Pray for him, his family and church. But the Bible is clear on these moral issues.

[@ltilley7343]

Isn't unity "being of one mind?" If the Bible says something is sin shouldn't we all agree on it, and not condone it? Objective truth in God's Word, not subjective truth, which is based on personal opinions. Ephesians 5:11 "Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them."

[@andrewcosta2760]

This is one of the most common misconceptions in evangelicalism. Most mistakenly think unity just means to get along in spite of difference.

[@Noir-q2m]

“The error of a faithful teacher is more dangerous than the error of a kook. The former will be considered more seriously because of the trustworthiness of the source. The latter is regarded skeptically because of the source.” Tom Ascol Over half a year later and I am still struggling to listen to Pastor Begg’s other messages. This controversy has caused a distraction for me. He previously was so trustworthy. His response to the criticism reeked of a defensive haughtiness.

[@tomwales7527]

Thanks for being honest (as always), real and trying to bring reconciliation.

[@Jsmith0819]

I think it's worthy to note that the persecution question is a heart issue. Was grandma going in order to "get along" and not be persecuted or was she going because all those attending the wedding knew her position but invited her anyways. If the first, the answer is very clear that she shouldn't be doing it. If the second, then it's not really relevant as a factor. I see a lot of Christians react to sin in ways that intentionally cross the line between telling truth in love and being volatile for the sake of actually attempting to be persecuted. Forgive me, I can't remember the exact verse, but Paul advocates doing everything possible to live in peace with sinners that when we are persecuted it won't be for an justifiable reason. We should be persecuted simply because we follow Christ and his word, not because we've specifically done something to poke the bear. We will poke the bear just by being true to Christ, but our intention shouldn't be to create the situation that leads to our persecution for the sake of saying "look, look! I'm being persecuted".

[@ThecrosseyedTexan]

Well said I think most Christians these days would probably be spitting on Samaritans just like they did back then.

[@petercollins7848]

A lot of what you say is true, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the situation in hand. The grandmother loved the person in question and they knew that I think. So there was no need to attend the ‘wedding’ to prove that. It is a matter simply of approving or not approving of the ‘wedding’, and obviously attending is approval - what else could it be? So it should be a no no for a Christian.

[@ShariLutschkin-pb8tk]

The best suggestions of how to think through any cultural issue. Thank you!

[@jpnapier750]

You are so appreciated for your leadership and thoughtfulness.

[@JustinR150]

As I don’t agree with Begg at all and is a very dangerous way to lead/teach. I understand the loving part but Friel has a point. King David was in sin and the prophet didn’t exclude him from being anointed by God to be king even though what David did was very evil. There were some time between David’s actions and his repentance. The prophet Nathaniel reprimanded him without taking away his calling.

[@davidjohnson497]

Thanks for your encouraging and also hard-hitting and challenging dealing with this issue. I love it that you tell us to think and you yourself are not taking a stand. You say make a decision based on our faith and to consult pastoral resources. You are DA MAN. Thanks and may G bless you!

[@328am]

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Love team Wretched ❤📖⛪️🙌🏻

[@SuenoTinguis]

From her inception, Christ's church has needed wise, godly men to navigate these issues with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. This may be a small matter compared to some throughout history, but it is still an important one for our day. It needs to be discussed, along with the other things you mentioned. I'm hoping it will not be a topic that is avoided at the upcoming Shepherds' Conference. 🙏🏼

[@Concetta20]

I have a feeling it will come up in the Q&A. I hope it does.

[@therockstar17]

I would rebut the comparison to transgender/gays to actual weddings as a category error, since transgender/gays can’t get married, it’s merely an anti-God, pagan ceremony on the golden calf/Moloch level. There is definitely a discussion to be had regarding attendance of marrying unbelievers or unbiblical divorces but in my opinion it’s a different issue.

[@jukeboxhero30]

This is one of the most Christ-like and Biblical responses Ive seen to this whole issue. And its also an intelligent one! Why shouldn't we take a solid length of time and examine these questions? Why not examine the precise application of the scriptures and have reasonable discussion? The homosexual and transexual communities clearly aren't going anywhere anytime soon, so why not actually talk about what we should do about this new reality? If we agree those are both sins, its now just a matter of figuring out where that balancing point is between compassion and conviction and how to apply it. The one thing that does need to stop is people just writing off fellow believers for making bad calls. So Alistair Begg dropped the ball and was too proud to pick it back up. That doesn't invalidate all of the solid preaching and teaching he has done. I for my part will continue to listen to his teaching and pray he does repent. Because the moment we start cutting people off for making one bad judgement call is the day we become no better than the world. At that point, we have no right to say anything against cancel culture.

[@FlightProgramAborted]

I agree, my initial thoughts were that coming from a respected theologian it could cause a split amongst believers. My wife and I had an argument over it. Ultimately though I feel this has been driven by God , because its something we all need to examine and its clearly an issue which is sat in the back of a lot of peoples minds and it needs to be addressed

[@markdakel9253]

Excellent work on bringing this view to the forefront, there is no doubt this is an extremely stressful event and we feel the shockwaves throughout evangelicalism and the church, thank you for taking the time to bring forth the content

[@jacobjacob3257]

Going to a sinful wedding is exactly that sinful. Me and my wife experienced the same scenario with her brother. I said no way, and she was divided. Ultimately through harsh debating, she agreed with me and didnt go, although the rest of her family went. Her gay brother and his gay bride were hurt, but did come over to our house months later, and we welcomed them both in and ate and laughed together for hours. We can love the people soo much, but completely reject the sin. In reguards to my christian inlaws that attended the sinful wedding, ive been ignoring having the conversation with them on if it was right or wrong. The fallout from having that conversion would be nuclear, so i dare not attempt it.....yet.

[@bjornegan6421]

People who want to hear the audio in both ears, if on a PC, type 'mono' in the bottom left search and turn on mono audio.

[@hobbyholly]

Celebrating what God calls an abomination by attending this sort of union is not love. Begg knew what he was doing when he said this in public. He said outright that he knew people would not like his answer. He should not have then retaliated by calling people Pharisee's who didn't agree with him. You can love a homosexual without celebrating their sin and not attend their man-made union. Pray for them and all those that do attend the ceremony. He was lovingly rebuked for his encouragement that cause confusion and stumbling for believers and un-believers. He then seemed to allow his pride to form his response.

[@kierananderson5807]

This is only relevant if you hold this view that attending something, even when you have stated you don't affirm it, is celebrating it. If you don't hold that view (and the bible does not hold this view to my knowledge), then this is a moot point.

[@neenee7936]

@@kierananderson5807a wedding/marriage is a covenant. When we attend we affirm or support what is happening. The Bible is clear that a homosexual relationship is sin. As a believer in Christ and one who desires to follow Scripture, one, out of obedience, and two, love for the Lord. With that in view, I can find no Biblical support for us attending. Her comment and thought wasn’t moot.

[@dorisazznara-uk4wy]

Jesus would never have participated in perverse behavior. He would have loved the sinner enough to tell them the truth. He would have preached the gospel and called them to repentance. Sometimes love is tough love. I have personal experience in this topic. It was heart wrenching to watch my family member walk down this path of destruction. The consequences of her decision hurt her terribly. It is my hope and prayer that she will give her life to Jesus.

[@chuckpatterson8374]

A very thoughtful and thought provoking pice…..

[@VeritybyVerse]

What we do now, brother is hold the line. The issue is biblical fidelity, and our responsibility to be the pillar and ground of God's truth. Alistair Begg was wrong on at least three counts: (1) his advice to that grandmother whom he even admits he'd never met, (2) his emotional rationale for giving that wrong advice, and (3) his refusal to acknowledge the error and to recant, but instead to label those who disagree as pharisees, fundamentalists, and even trollers. I've already forgiven him for such slanderous inferences. And I maintain that he was flatly wrong for giving such culture-caving advice, and for doubling down on it, and helping to blur the line between biblical and "cultural" morality.

[@AnhYeuEmMaiMai69]

When he said he "I am not ready to repent" and "I don't have to" shows pride. Christ said he will remove a candle stick of a church that does not follow him. Revelation 2:5 KJV Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. I left him my final message complete with Scripture to back it up. Mark 6:11 KJV: And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Until the Alistair Begg repents, his teachings are not to be trusted. John MacArthur is the greatest preacher of our time and he had to remove Alistair from the Shepherd's conference due to his unwillingness to admit he sinned.

[@aquinasrost]

Your comment is utter nonsense. Furthermore, you citation of Revelation 2:5 shows you have no business throwing Bible verses at people until you know how to interpret and apply them.

[@AnhYeuEmMaiMai69]

@@aquinasrost You should probably read your Bible before you comment. There were 7 letters written to various churches and only one did Christ commend. Revelation 1:4-18

[@adamhays2256]

The beginning of the Law of the Spirit of Life, (the NEW Law that supersedes the OLD law of Sin and Death), begins with the knowledge and acceptance that “THERE IS NOW NO CONDEMNATION” That’s what the whole Sermon was about. The title was “Compassion vs Condemnation. Nobody in any of these millions of comments even addressed these concepts or Principles. The whole argument begins and ends when AB says, “We cannot revile you, but we cannot affirm you. And the reason that we can’t revile you is the same reason why we can’t affirm you: because of the Bible, because of God’s love, because of his grace, [and] because of his goodness.” Condemnation activates sin. Sounds like VERY few people could understand the sermon and AB’s reasoning and even fewer understand the true Gospel message.

[@imperiousrex966]

Very well said. And Bravo to Alistair Begg.

[@Skinski7]

When you preach that the sin NEVER stops then the obvious result of that message will be ongoing sinning. In that context why not go to a homosexual "wedding"??? The Apostle Peter taught... Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:" 1Pe 4:1-4 Ceased from sin, no longer living the rest of our time in the flesh to the lusts of men. That's NOT what Todd Friel teaches nor Alistair Begg. Thus this whole debate around Alistair Begg is moot. It's just like apostate Israel debating the nuances of their traditions, total vanity within the framework of the spirit of error. The Apostle Paul taught to keep without spot (1Ti 6:14) godliness, faith, love, patience and meekness (1Ti 6:11) and to avoid oppositions of knowledge FALSELY SO CALLED (1Ti 6:20). False teachers like Alistair and Todd certainly have a veneer of righteousness, a form of godliness (1Ti 3:5), yet they certainly don't preach or teach a true deliverance from sin. Thus what does it matter if one attends a homosexual so called "wedding" when all the parties are still in bondage to sin? Isn't that a deck chair shuffle on a sinking ship? "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." 1Jn 3:7-10 Preach and teach a TRUE deliverance from the bondage of sin, the establishment of a pure heart abiding in love (1Ti 1:5) wherein we have truly been established in Christ and therefore, having the same character, we have boldness in the day of judgement (1Jn 4:16-17). Think about it.

[@robfrechette1998]

Related to this matter, I'm wondering what are the responsibilities of the couple getting married and what are the responsibilities of people attending the wedding ceremony? For the couple getting married, shouldn't they and their Pastor confess that they are in obedience to 2 Corinthians 6:14 (equally yoked) and make this known before the wedding day? Am I, as a Christian, suppose to ask for a written testimony before each wedding I attend?

[@petercollins7848]

Marriage between a man and a woman regardless of whether they are believers, is a genuine marriage in God’s eyes. Now if it is a case of being ‘unequally yoked’, then I would not attend as I would have already made it clear to my friend that they were making a serious mistake and I could not approve of it. Most people would know the spiritual position of people who are getting married if they are close friends.

[@EBRoyJr]

It's simple. Have nothing to do with any of it. When you start adding compromise and try to insert nuances to commands in scripture you already have opened the door of your heart to Satan and temptation.

[@kierananderson5807]

Can you cite your bible verses I'm context that prove Alistair sinned?

[@xXEGPXx]

You are 100 pounds overweight, is gluttony not a sin anymore?

[@heatherwoods5703]

Thank you! Circular firing squads indeed! I'm so disappointed by the completely unloving responses by podcasters and those who comment there. Sadly, too many Christians prove incapable of critical thought and are just critical. How much thought, prayer, and pouring over their Bibles did they do before jumping on a side? There's a terrific book called, "In Defense of Troublemakers: The Power of Dissent in Life and Business." People who stand with the majority give little thought to whether or not the majority is right. Even ONE person who speaks in dissent-- even if they turn out to be WRONG in the long run-- causes people to think harder about their position. It may not change minds, but everyone used their God-given gray matter more than in the absence of dissent. And we should be more gracious with a brother in Christ and not so quick to call him apostate and hurl him out. That's more shameful to me than Begg's advice to the grandmother.

[@thomthompson9217]

I completely agree with you Todd. I’m right he’s wrong, he’s wrong I’m right. Glad to have that cleared up.

[@jamiegustkey2573]

Shame on everyone who has not understood or does not support Alistair.

[@MatthijsNederveen]

Thank you for this video. It has indeed been painful in two ways: 1. is to step into the shoes of the grandmother having to make a decision in love and in truth and 2. to see the heated debate and sometimes accusations among christians. Coming from the Netherlands (which is a bit closer to the UK), I understood what he said about the difference how many American christians treat issues like this and how christians or theologians from the UK treat it.

[@xXEGPXx]

The grandma does not love her grandkid, she hates them and wants them dead

[@Hubbs3of6]

Instead of criticizing Herod's wedding, John the Baptist should have attended the wedding and brought a gift, then he could have witnessed to Herod. Then he wouldn't have been beheaded. (If John had only received advice from A. Begg.)

[@sleepyheadz]

Did the cousin of John the Baptist join him in criticising Herod? By your logic, he too should have joined John to be beheaded.

[@andrewcosta2760]

​@@sleepyheadzHe did criticize Herod when he called him a "fox."

[@JoelWalton-f4h]

Great point - Thanks!🙏

[@briankristensen349]

He is our unity, in Him we unite.

[@dave8767]

It's seldom the original 'error' that is of concern, it's the very aggressive and continued defence that is offensive.

[@Concetta20]

Yes. That’s become the even more alarming problem. I think it is a blind spot.

[@michaelbirke6050]

Have not once in all the hundreds of comments has anyone asked the question “Would Jesus have attended the wedding?”

[@danwilsonpastor]

Bringing our Bible verses sounds right, but it is so rare to see people using verses in context. A better question to consider is "What would Jesus do?" Also is unity agreement? Or is unity something else?

[@Ironturbine]

as far as what to do about AB, New Testament churches are autonomous, so the decision about what to do if anything about AB is up to the eldership of his church

[@williamantila5262]

Well said, O voice in the wilderness, that is 21st century Christendom... the issue of the "contentiosness" and carnal, divisive language is at least as big an issue in the Kingdom of God...sad how far short we seem to have falenl.. But God..

[@andyheller2691]

Very good words spoken here.

[@cathykiley7485]

It is never wrong to prayerfully and biblically consider everything to the table. I think Pastor Begg was wrong, but if we cannot think, speak and act in unity as the Church, then we cannot expect to make a difference in the world. Thank you Todd.

[@tamararivera7312]

Acts 2 ESV 37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" First church Modern church “what shall we do and still be safe” I heard this on KZbin channel of brother Spenser Smith

[@stefancover5956]

I agree with Alastair's advice to the grandmother, but I appreciate your attempt to inject some sense into this matter. Alastair's advice can be summarized as "Don't lose the grandson. Keep the door to the gospel and to you open." It amazes me how fast many run to comb the scriptures for citations to support their own personal judgements. The Savior ate with sinners and tax collectors, touched the unclean, healed lepers, the crippled , and the possessed, and opened the door of salvation for all. It is telling that in the gospels most of Jesus' anger is directed at the Pharisees, who prided themselves on their purity, righteousness, and uncharitable judgements, and justified themselves by the selective citing of scripture. When we feel the urge to condemn sinners it is always time to look in the mirror.

[@dannyiselin]

So Toddie, do you have a continuation contract clause that says when Johnny Mac dies, you'll still be on payroll? What if GCC reconfigures as a new entity and leaves you with a severance adios?

[@RevDavidReyes]

Thank you for saying this. Most have desire for division. Paul fought strong against it, division.

[@Ruthbaby175]

Amen, Todd! My heart has been hurting over the angry and sometimes hateful response to Pastor Begg’s words. I had already asked myself, does this mean I can't go to a wedding where the couple are unequally yoked? Does this mean I can't attend the wedding of coworkers who are Hindu? What about a reception or anniversary party? I believe that a homosexual wedding is wrong, and I think Alistair is wrong. But I can see the heart of love and compassion that I know him to have, not for the couple but for the grandmother. She, at a vulnerable season of life, was faced with alienation from her beloved grandchild and possibly others in her family. I pray with a time that he will study this matter and conclude he was wrong, but the awful, hateful, personal, and unbiblical reactions have done nothing to further that. Those are the reactions that make people dig their heels in. And Alistair is our brother in Christ. His decades of Biblical teaching deserve respect and a gentle approach. They will know us by our love, not our public smearing of a fellow Christian.

[@ruthdella37]

Can you interview Robert Godfrey, who is a church historian, and see how Begg’s comments will be viewed in 50 years/100 years from now regarding Christians attending gay weddings? If people get the “idea” that Begg is giving them permission to attend gay weddings, SHOULD they also take their children with them like they do to OTHER weddings? And will the future mean more persecution towards Christians whose conscience tells them NOT to attend gay weddings, because now Begg made it seem like if you don’t go, you aren’t showing love? I’d like to know what Begg did to the WHOLE CHURCH in 100 years from now. Ps 1:1 Please, I BEGG YOU, do not sit with scoffers and you’ll be blessed by God!

[@tronsgard]

We are tearing down stronghold builds up AGAINST the true knowledge of God. It is NOT loving to approve the “practice” of sin in the Church. Practicing an illusion instead of reality…. Where is the debate??? GOD’s Love is PROTECTIVE…… children…. Keep yourself pure… If it’s not practiced in Church… how would the deceived see any difference from the world.

[@tomhitchcock8195]

A’s application came from ignoring scripture he knew about. He also agrees with women preaching

[@ThePaPappy]

John MacArthur's Shepherd's Conference removes Alistair Begg from speakers' lineup

[@jesusbeloved3953]

I’m not married and never have been in my 70 years. My belief about marriage comes from Ephesians 5:22-33. Not going to type it out, you need to read it. If you take these verses seriously, you’ll see marriage from a different point of view.

[@sadie6586]

Very well said

[@InSoloDeo]

The hypocrisy here is stark as this guy would verbally stone had this had stemmed from the charismatic denomination!

[@patriciaalber367]

Where is the hypocrisy? Name it. Prove it.

[@levifox2818]

Actually, I’m sure many charismatics have given this advice and I haven’t seen a conservative bring it up as a point. You’re just slandering without evidence.

[@jasonshoots1655]

The one thing the American church is not very good at right now. Is taking time on issues, but like other Americans, and very quick to make decisions.

[@Found-SpOOky]

In your video you gave the challenge to present bible verse to make our case, and to define what is love.. I am firmly on the "Christians should not attend LGBT celebration's" I'm also in the position of living this experience, because I have a sister whom I dearly love, who got engaged to her same sex partner, and I responded by explaining that I could not offer congratulations, and I would not attend any celebration (wedding) But along side that I have continually love them both, both in meals, serving, giving of gifts and hugging them when ever we meet. But I remain rooted in my position about celebrating their choices. Now having given that context from where I'm speaking - On the question of bible verses that make the case for my position, there are many verses I could go to, but I think just a few verses say enough on the issue. Firstly Matthew 10:32-39 highlights the importance of standing firm in biblical truth and the costs we may have to face as we carry our own cross. Yes we may risk a great deal in standing on truth, But Jesus knows that and still calls us to do it, It cost him so much more to rescue us from our sin, so if we are wanting to show true love to our neighbours, we also must be willing to a accept it may come at a cost. Secondly, Ephesians 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. How is joining in the celebration of something that assaults the bibles definition of love, not partnering with darkness and it's fruitless deeds? What is Love? Well the Bible has the clearest and most powerful demonstration and picture of love, something that actually defines love for us. Christ laid down his life for us. Furthermore, the bible so often gives us pictures, Jesus gave pictures in the parables he told, so that we could gain better understanding. Paul tells us that God gave us a picture to understand the depth of his love for us, revealed right back in Genesis. ‭‭‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:31‭-‬32‬ ‭ “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. Marriage was given to us on part as a picture that points forward to the Gospel, it reveals Christ and his love for the church. Every wedding, no matter if it is Hindu, Muslim or whatever else you might not agree with, if it is between a man and a woman, it still preserves Gods established order and presents a picture that points to the gospel of Christ and the Church. But When you break Gods established order and a man marries and man, or woman to a women, this corrupts Gods intention for marriage, and most importantly it distorts the picture of Christ and the Church. For example, if a man marries a man, then it's picture points to Christ, loving himself, laying down his life for himself, it completely distorts the picture of love. I would even suggest it's blasphemy against Christ and his love for his Bride. ‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭ teaches us about love. "Don’t just pretend to love others. Really love them." (How should we do it?) "Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good." So attending a LGBT wedding is not (in my opinion) possible for a Christian who is aligning with scripture, we would be joining with darkness, and Celebrating a distortion of God's purpose and intention for marriage, and possibly even celebrating a distortion of the Gospel. Finally there is a question that nobody is addressing; what about the damage being done to those who are faithfully standing on truth, those of us who are seeking to love our family while not attending an LGBT celebration These declarations make us look to our families, as bigot's and unloving so much more, because of the compromise being presented by such established respected pastors of the flock. It tells them, we could have attended after all. Alistair Begg, could have given that unwise advice to the grandmother and kept it to himself, But rather he chose to tell millions around the world all about it, without any consideration for how that might taint and contaminated the witness of us who are not attending those celebrations, but are still looking to love our families. His public declaration could reach the ears of our loved ones, who then suddenly see our decline to attend In a much less understanding way, causing hurt and even breakdown in our relationships and ability to witness though our love for them. It makes our witness so much more difficult and complicated. If we siants are charged to make the difficult and uncomfortable actions of not joining with LGBT celebration's, then should not our shepherds be taking a stand also, and not joining with those who are encouraging such actions? We need to protect and preserve Truth not just in our own churches today, but we need to preserve and protect it for our children, their children and all those who follow after them. Im not calling for anyone to be canceled, Im calling for a defence and protection of Truth, while also praying for Alistair Begg and others to see their error, and loving them with word and action, just as we do everyone else. One final question, is it possible that a new idol has crept into some areas of the church, could this recent line of thought be a sign that evangelism has itself become an idol for some?

[@sierragrey7910]

Well done.

[@guapounggoy]

I would not attend such a "wedding" as it would be my confirming my agreement with the participants. I also never wish my Muslim friends a Happy Ramadan etc. We either believe or we don't. I can and do pray for people trapped in these various lifestyles. The cake thing--especially if you are working for a large company or the government is forcing you to bake it from your small business--isn't celebrating or condoning these activities. You are only working and following the law of the land so to speak. It seems easy to discern to me. If a grandmother truly believes that her grandkid is potentially condemning themselves for eternity, should she go out there and give them a huge thumbs up just to make them feel good about themselves and their improper choices?

[@danielestaub9445]

"There is nothing new under the sun." 'Agree to disagree' is a toxic ideology, in my opinion. "Contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God's holy people." (Jude 3) So, dialogue is important but this channel did not respond to my previous comment???? 🤣

[@heathermcpherson9047]

You mentioned pronouns...what if my boss is transgender? I actually CANNOT use the "wrong" pronoun or I will be disciplined and eventually fired...I have struggled with this. 😢

[@levifox2818]

That’s a very difficult situation, but I would encourage you-if you wouldn’t call someone lower than you their preferred pronoun then you shouldn’t comply for your boss either. Our decisions of what does/doesn’t constitute moral compromise shouldn’t be determined by coercion, as hard as that is. May God give you wisdom.

[@irdue]

Thank you Todd! I consider Alistair Begg to be an outstanding servant from whom I have learned much! I encourage all to hear his sermon concerning the theif on the cross. With that said, I recognize his error in this matter. I am not willing to throw out the baby out with the bath water over this non-essential. For example, I listen and learn much from reform teachers even though I disagree with some of their teaching on things like limited atonement. I think in time with prayer Alistair will see his error. Sometimes our desire to be compassionate obscurs our compass. When I first became a believer, I could not understand all the division because I thought everyone in the church at large loved Jesus and others the same way, Over time, I began to see there were some who were so outside the bible they had to be kept apart from. I wish I had perfect understanding on all issues but I simply don't. In this case, I think his advise was from a desire to do good but found himself in error. I might add how important studying the word on your own is rather than blindly following your pastor's teachings and opnions. They are as human as the folks in the pews and subject to error from time to time. I am sure Alistaire would say for his flock to measure everything his says against God's word. I have never seen anything to cause me to doubt his heart and faith in Christ alone. PS, the next time I am in error please love me, correct me, but don's shoot me.

[@GayleMarie-f6d]

well said! Maranatha!

[@SweetTea_73]

I'd agree having time on how we treat him would be pragmatic, but whether we should attend a celebration of sin...that's a no go, no matter how much time you give it.

[@frankmurphy6010]

Your last part is right but the agenda of most i have read disregard that premise, and show disrespect

[@frankmurphy6010]

i agree in whether your views are for or against, but some go way beyond constructive criticism and that's wrong spiritually

[@Gaoda-p4y]

In the world but not of it...who's influencing whom....

[@Gaoda-p4y]

@@silvereight6054 false doctrine in this case...how

[@AliciaGuitar]

Jesus ate with sinners. It's not like grandma was going to officiate.

[@punch9242]

You continue to fail to see the seriousness of Begg's heretical advice and sinful attitude since his ego was bruised in the aftermath. It's interesting how it's always clear when charismatics get it wrong but now that it's one of your reformed friends, it's soooo "unclear" that you need to give us a long explanation as if we're clueless. Your problem is inconsistency in dealing with heresy and it's danger for the people of God. This is not the time to convince us that unity is the issue, it's not. Our God is a holy God who calls homosexuality an abomination. Our God is a holy God who calls us to repentance when we have sinned. But Begg has remained unmoved, prideful, and arrogant throughout this saga. Is he so prideful that he cannot see the error of his ways when he has been dropped by a family radio station and has been dropped by Shepherd's Conference? If that does not tell him something, then his pride runs deeper than we think. Stop your pandering and excuse-making. This is not about so-called "new" issues. Homosexuality has been around forever and you know it. I'm just surprised that you continue to run down this foolish path to explain obvious heresy and sinful attitude.

[@kierananderson5807]

You think this is heresy? You ought to be real careful on the judgement you put out.

[@lidiasalazar5152]

Exactly. If this were about unity. AFA would not have dropped him.

[@TVHouseHistorian]

Speaking as someone who Jesus redeemed from “this particular sin,” I have to continue walking in repentance without looking back. If I were sitting under Begg’s teaching, I would have to lovingly withdraw from fellowship with his church. I know what this sin does to people, and in my opinion, the line drawn needs to be *thick.* I’ve been invited to a same-sex wedding, and I very kindly declined. Because I have struggled with same-sex attraction in the past, I take a hard line with what I will accept and what I won’t. Call me a Pharisee if you want to, I don’t care. As a teacher, Alistair is standing directly on the line, so for me, I would have to withdraw from his fellowship. He is *very* misguided in his diversion from Biblical orthodoxy. If he doesn’t get it corrected, this diversion will widen.

[@dadblogCA]

Thank you for being open and honest and praise Christ for redeeming you, just like He did for me and countless others.

[@mrragman12345]

God bless you brother.

[@jimmymeyer7980]

It is not being a Pharisee, brother, but being wise while mortifying sin. May God bless your walk with the Lord and continue in walking precise mortification of sin.

[@antoniotodaro4093]

I would not call you a, "Pharisee" just astute and sensible

[@callforsalt2624]

Thank you brother! Your voice on this is invaluable. This truly is outside orthodoxy as you say. I'm really glad to hear how God has worked in your life! Keep putting Him first!

[@motorTranz]

"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.". Ephesians 5: 11 "reject every kind of evil.". I Thessalonians 5: 22

[@jasonshoots1655]

I just looked up the word, Expose in my interlinear app, and to Expose means to reprove, rebuke, discipline, show to be guilty. 2 Timothy 3:16. How do we do that? By bringing supporting evidence of one's faults in love (that is what is beneficial to them and their soul growth).

[@FriendlyEvangelist]

Yes!!! Expose Alistair Begg!! Keep rebuking him and calling him to repent until he does! What he said was truly compromising with evil!

[@Gaoda-p4y]

​@@jasonshoots1655grandma did just that...😅😅😅

[@solascripturamjc9681]

Exactly - easily understood.

[@stanhannan4522]

Ephesians 4:31&32 Let all bitterness, anger and wrath, shouting and slander be removed from you, along with all malice. And be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving one another, just as God also forgave you in Christ.”

[@Spurgeon_General]

This isn’t a difficult issue, we need to stop pretending it is. And we need to be able to call out sin, even in our brothers, and stop falling over ourselves trying to look “loving and winsome”. Begg’s counsel was abominable. The man needs to repent. He needs people in his life who will actually love him enough to tell him the severity of his error. The early church would be astounded if they heard, not only what Begg taught, but that so much of Christendom was focusing more on appearing loving to him and focusing less on being righteously appalled.

[@geraldarcuri9307]

You missed Todd's point entirely. He is asking us to examine the fallout from the original incident, as it ( the fallout, not the incident ) may affect the church. Important distinction.

[@Spurgeon_General]

@@geraldarcuri9307 I didn’t miss his point. Friel is acting as though this is this issue that will take patient time to truly talk about and discern, even citing the Westminster assembly taking 10 years. Difference is, Westminster theologians weren’t wondering if they should go to tranny weddings. They were hammering out the fine points of (many) specific doctrines. Many evangelicals are acting as though Christendom is overreacting to Begg’s words. We’re not overreacting. We just unapologetically see that his counsel was abominable. It deserves rebuke, and the way Begg has so ungraciously accused those who disagree with him, also deserves rebuke. It needs to be addressed with less estrogen and apology, and with more firmness and love. But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. - Galatians 2:11 Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But deceitful are the kisses of an enemy. - Proverbs 27:6 So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense… - 3 John 10a What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. - 2 Corinthians 6:15-16

[@Spurgeon_General]

@@geraldarcuri9307 Not sure why my response to you is deleted (?) But to reiterate, no, I understood Friel’s point. My point is that this doesn’t require 10 years of Westminster theologians to understand. This is a very, very, basic doctrinal issue. We need to have UNITY on condemning Begg’s counsel, without apology. And we need to lovingly rebuke Begg, for not only his abominable words, but also his divisive and ungracious response to those who disagree with him. We’re not Pharisees. We’re not closet homosexuals, as Begg implied. We’re men living in an age where compromise after compromise is witnessed in the church, and eventually Christianity has got to start drawing some hard lines. I’m not saying Begg is an apostate, or a wolf is sheep’s clothing who wants to destroy the church, I’m saying he needs to repent. But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. - Galatians 2:11 Let the righteous smite me in lovingkindness and reprove me; It is oil upon the head; Let not my head refuse it… - Psalm 141:5 Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But deceitful are the kisses of an enemy. - Proverbs 27:6 Abstain from all appearance of evil. - 1 Thessalonians 5:22 Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father. - Colossians 3:17 Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? - 2 Corinthians 6:15 Do not go to transgender weddings, and do not tolerate any teaching that tells others to. Abominable counsel.

[@xXEGPXx]

Alright you are 300 pounds overweight, is gluttony not a sin anymore?

[@lidiasalazar5152]

Were you invited to a ceremony to celebrate gluttony?@@xXEGPXx

[@vj563]

It's actually really upset me this whole thing. I don't follow many preachers because of their compromise. I just started listening to Pastor Begg and he seemed pretty solid. Then this happens. I know his past teachings are biblical. I'm just really disappointed that he said what he said, and won't repent of it. I just keep praying for him and that he understands why so many are upset.

[@robizzett6442]

Show me in the Bible where what he said constitutes sin.

[@stevew2996]

1 Thessalonians 5:22, 1 Timothy 5:22 @@robizzett6442

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

You shouldn't be listening to what ppl say, no matter how "biblical" their doctrines appear to be to you. You should listen to God. That is your biggest mistake. The Bereans were called noble because they didn't just take Paul's words at face value. They looked into the scriptures for themselves to see what they said. Traditional Christianity has created a culture of pastor/teacher worship because ppl won't look in the Bible to verify what they hear.

[@jessedphillips]

​@@robizzett6442Romans 1:32 Who G3748 knowing G1921 the judgment G1345 of God G2316, that G3754 they which commit G4238 such things G5108 are G1526 worthy G514 of death G2288, not G3756 only G3440 do G4160 the same G846, but G235 G2532 have pleasure G4909 in them that do G4238 them

[@jessedphillips]

​@@robizzett6442it is never biblical to celebrate sin. You would not go to a slave auction that your brother is hosting and your wouldn't go to an abortion party or a coming out party or a "meet my side piece that I got a divorce for" reception. This is sin. Celebrating it is sin.

[@robinknight6122]

Quote from Oswald Sanders. “There are some associations with the world which must be broken, but it is to be the separation of insulation rather than isolation. Our Lord was ‘separate from sinners’ , but His separation was moral and spiritual, not physical” Time is needed to work through this issue, not knee jerk reactions.

[@robertmize327]

Yes. It's a praying and teaching "moment" if there ever was one.

[@markjohnston1971]

In the case of Alistair Begg, might I suggest an eighth question: What are our standards for teachers in the body of Christ? As James assures us, teachers are held to a higher standard. So things that we might let slide for ordinary believers, are often not acceptable for teachers. And Alistair not only teaches his local congregation but other pastors as well. He is a teach of teachers, and as such is held to a very high standard. I really like Alistair Begg, and his ministry has been a great blessing over the years. But the man of God has stumbled badly on this issue, and his position to could easily lead others to even more serious errors. So I have taken a step back from his ministry and am watching where he is going. But let's keep praying for him since we are all subject to weakness and error.

[@ericmchenryil5186]

Begg is 100% wrong. There is a commandment in the New Testament, which is secondary separation and Alistair, does not follow that. According to conferences, he attends with heretics same with John Piper. (2nd John 1:9-11) (Romans 16:17-18) (1st Timothy 6:3-5) (Philippians 3:17-19) (Titus 1:10-16)(3:9-11) (2nd Peter 2 , 3:1-2, 3:14-18) Because he has not repented. We are to have nothing to do with this man.

[@eurekahope5310]

I think I would have been much more sympathetic to Begg's error had he either misinterpreted the text or truly spoke of a unique situation. Examples: 1. Jesus ate with tax collectors and sinners 2. The grandma was dying and grandson was moving away the day after the wedding. (Last chance to minister or see him) But his response made it clear that if we refuse to go we are judgemental and unable to countenance anything. In other words, we sin by not going because we aren't "surprising them with our love" but proving ourselves to be self righteous. This is much bigger than your average discussion over baptism and sovereignty in salvation because it isn't about doctrine based on different interpretations of Scripture, but the assertion that those who stand firmly on Christ's clear reiterating of marriage are simply being judgemental and unloving. It accuses the principles stand as sin, not disagreement. And if Begg had simply doubled down on misinterpretarion or the unique situation with Grandma, we could lean towards disagreement of non-essentials, but he came out and called those who disagree Pharisees and like the spiteful, ungrateful brother in the prodigal son parable. He didn't just come to a different conclusion, but made harsh accusations against those who disagree.

[@christophertaylor9100]

Yeah, and its consistent with Pastor Begg over the years. I appreciate his calls toward love and compassion, but he stumbles a bit going too far at times. He's like one of those old hippie types but that doesn't make him terrible.

[@diasporan4159]

Remember: Grandma was shocked!

[@scottlough5522]

I am spending some time today studying Ephesians 5:1-20. I think it has application here. A secondary thought: Another aspect that troubles me about Alistair's advice is what the grandmother will have to experience (see and hear) at the wedding and the reception if she also attends the reception. Did he prepare her for that? For when glasses are clinked, toasts are made, for example?

[@kailon8822]

John the Baptist said Herod marriage is sinful, this conviction cost him his head,

[@mrragman12345]

That is really good comparison thank you

[@nickfedor210]

Yeah, glad Begg wasn't around to correct old John.

[@Gashd820]

Amen!

[@xXEGPXx]

John the Baptist is a fictional character, there is exactly zero evidence that any such man existed

[@felicciasc]

That Will teach him

[@stephenm8233]

“To be my disciple, you must hate father, mother, brother, sister, and yes, even your own life.” -Jesus Christ We first need to know if affirming a sinful union is that- sinful. If it is, we cannot sacrifice our Godliness and servitude to our LORD for the praise of men and “preserving a relationship.”

[@Desert-edDave]

Well put, THIS is the issue that the 'we need to be unified' crowd, including Todd Friel in this video fails to realize.

[@jessedphillips]

@levifox2818 here you go

[@Kuala-mc1mk]

Facts 👍

[@FriendlyEvangelist]

Ya! To put it in modern Alistair Begg context: "You must hate your grandmother and your radio listener who's a grandmother in comparison how much you love me..." Take that to the bank, Alistair.

[@Gaoda-p4y]

So apply this verse to the situation...you probably listen to secular music...r rated movies...King James only...no Greek understanding at all. Get in the game homeboy

[@petermui5329]

Why not just focus on the advice itself? The advice is bad under all situations. You go and you send a message: you approve it or you are a person who doesn’t take your belief seriously. But no one gives good advice all the time. James 3:1-2 “Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. For we all stumble in many ways. And if anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle his whole body.” Always check the teaching against the scripture no matter who say it.

[@davidlarson4647]

Thank you for this video. At this point in the controversy it has been exceedingly clear that many if not most believer's commentary and comments have been lacking in objectivity. The comments and commentators seem to be coming from the I know what is best for Alistair and if you don't agree with me then you are wrong. Or they come from perspectives that now even though they have listened to him for years, they knew all along something was wrong. This added to their disrespectful treatment of him causes me to wonder about their need for more introspection. Your teaching on this is much appreciated indeed. There are very few voices who are seeking to have an irenic dialogue that can be used for positive growth.

[@Switzer1234]

Believer's (one) commentary. Believers' (more than one) commentary. An apostrophe before the S means one. An apostrophe after the S means more than one. Her parents' (two parents) car is green. His parent's (one parent) house is gray.

[@davidlarson4647]

@@Switzer1234 thank you for clarifying the grammar/syntax errors.

[@keithrayeski6417]

I love this guy! Discuss indeed Todd…it’s difficult if not impossible, to resolve anything without discussion…accepting that perhaps, a resolution might be…division?

[@dylankandoll3756]

Amen. Not seeking the division but if it comes then let it be by them and not by us.

[@minutebooks3245]

There are several things in play. Homosexuality isn't new and neither is a sacrilegious gathering. Begg has shown pride in that he "doesn't have to repent". Further, he said if he recanted then that would mean he never should have said it. Exactly correct, Begg. He also insultingly said that he was not an American evangelical but rather a British one and could therefore understand nuance. Very disappointed in this last bit of condescension. It doesn't sound like he is in a good place about this. It's possible, I suppose, that he is correct and hundreds of solid Bible teachers are incorrect.

[@EPPM-tq1nl]

I've attended Parkside for two decades. Alistair's biblical tutelage was the bedrock of my young Christian maturity. I'm eternally grateful to have been led to his teaching. After all, take a good look at what's being preached as Gods word these days. Thank you Alistair and Sue. However, I never put him on a holy plinth, where no man belongs.

[@guitarmuser6150]

2 things to consider: 1) on the issue: "Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ." - Galatians 1:10. 2) on the aftermath: John 6:7 paraphrased says, "let he who is without sin throw the first stone." Just a couple of things I think about when dealing with issues and people. Let's remember to share the grace and mercy that God has first shown us to others while correcting with gentleness and respect. 8-) God bless. Love Tod's response and insights on this by the way.

[@lorettarobards2657]

From what I understand about the wedding guest is, they are there to give their support and share in the couple’s happy occasion. Yes, Jesus ate with sinners, but could you in any way shape or form, see our Lord sitting at such a sinful display, to give His support? Just thinking of it makes me ill. Christ would rebuke such an act that is against all that He is. Was this grandmother going to the wedding to do that? Nothing that was said makes me think that she was going to ask the couple to repent of their sin. Even she was surprised by Pastor Begg’s advice. I think the Pastor just made a bad situation worse. We must always stand on the truth, and pray for guidance. No one is without sin, but we shouldn’t have pastors putting temptation in our way causing us to stumble. If they do, what do we do? We go to him in love and address the sin. That’s what the Deacons and elders are for. Also I would like to add, this lady called because she was conflicted between her loved one and this sin, that is against God. She wanted someone to help her to decide between her grandchild and the god that she serves. That is a no brainer, Jesus came to divide people, not to bring piece. (Luke 12:49-56).

[@siegistic]

Honestly this doesn’t need to be talked about anymore. This is a cut and dry case. It’s not a hard one to know what is right and what is wrong here. We go by Sola Scriptura. Not by anything else. I am tired of seeing videos about this in general. We all get WHY he said what he said. He’s just wrong. And the fact that he’s unrepentant and unconvinced of it is sad. I think removing him from the Shepherd’s Conference was the right move. Though I would like Dr. MacArthur to address it, not talking about it being a distraction. But being in disagreement.

[@InglesSpanishConversation]

I get the idea of allowing time for brothers "to catch up" on more difficult issues: but is there not a sence of urgency when a movement is taking off that is not moving towards us, but in the wrong direction? Like, we all like and use doors: opening a door is not a sin, but depending on what's on the other side of said door: it sure can be a sin. We all know the story and process through which the major, historical denominations became libral: it was in the name of love, biblical values and, supposed "evangelism" that they began to participate in liberal/sinful culture, that was clearly defined by God as something to not participate in.

[@c.a.iversonbooks5745]

I agree that we are to be united, but that unity is to be with " speaking the truth in love". This issue now has become an issue of accountability. Alistair has given ungodly counsel, attacked fellow christians publicly, has displayed gross pride and refuses to repent. For these things he needs to come under church discipline. He is an elder and needs to be held to a higher standard. Since his own church will not discipline him, ( which is shameful), then the rest of the body of Christ must. We can do this by having several elders inform him that he is under church discipline and then the elders inform their congregations of the discipline explaining to them that this means no fellowshipping with Alistair until and unless he repents. This would mean not watching or listening to him. This of course is in the hopes of godly repentance. This would be in keeping with unity in the church.

[@lidiasalazar5152]

Well said!

[@barbaraluningham5761]

Thank you, Todd. It has been troubling to me to see the disrespectful posts of professing believers. Your comments are masterful.

[@briancuff549]

Remember that nothing is more loving than ‘telling the Truth’ to those who are in error and headed to hell. Marriage was created by God and the definition cannot be changed by anyone. Think about church discipline being done to bring a fellow believer back into fellowship and telling the truth about this issue is attempting to help these very wayward people see what God requires.

[@littlemary2840]

@@briancuff549 Alistair Begg believes marriage is between a man and a woman. This advice he gave a grandmother concerning her grandson I do not agree with. I would have told her not to go. I believe he gave out the wrong advice but I do believe he is a Christian.

[@patriciaalber367]

@@littlemary2840 I think there may be a very small minority that would say he is not a Christian. However, this small minority are not very nice. And most of those have a very poor grasp of Scripture.

[@carnduffagc5155]

@@littlemary2840 Yes a Christian, but a Christian who needs to repent.

[@kylenolff987]

I am very impressed with Todd’s approach to this compared to many other conservative Christians whom I follow and watch consistently. He is looking at Proverbs 15:18 as well as James 1:19-22 to slowly observe what’s going on. I appreciate this serious tone just as much as the zany, wacky ones and it shows the sincerity of his heart. Glory to God.

[@theresavoomadaffore9466]

More of us God's people can learn to appreciate and adopt Bro Todd's articulation on a touchy area.

[@calvinismistrue]

I have a hard time taking Todd's advice on unity after his diatribe to chide believers into rolling up their sleeves in obedience to the govt. for covid shots.

[@BibleStudyWithFriends]

I so enjoyed your loving response to this issue. AND I totally agree that the basis for our reactions to the question can't be emotionalism but needs to be scripture-based. "Be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord... Great job in a tough question.

[@rpullen4825]

What he advised was to go to a celebration of a clearly identified Biblical SIN, and worse, watch them promise to CONTINUE to commit that sin until they die! And, I assume, the grandparent is to sit there and smile, with a gift in her lap! To me, that's nothing short of affirming the celebration. She could, of course, sit there and weep, as well, which is what she apparently had been doing about this event. Either way, it's TERRIBLE advice. In addition, his insulting remarks about "nuance," and assignment of Pharisaical behavior to his clearly NON-Pharisaical fellow pastors was disgusting. AND to make things worse, he suggests this sin of the two homosexuals/transers is hiding in the pastors' thoughts as something they might desire!! His arrogance, criticism, and judgmental attitude are shocking ... and sinful. He's attributing sin to THEM, instead of acknowledging his OWN. My thought is that he needs to be under church discipline.

[@tomhitchcock8195]

It’s a sin to cause brothers to stumble or to aid and abet the enemy

[@aquinasrost]

BRILLIANT! BRILLIANT! BRILLIANT! You are the only one in this entire controversy who has presented one of the finest, level-headed perspectives on the Begg controversy. Begg has a legacy of solid biblical teaching, and he deserves to be respected for what he has represented for decades, and that means doing due diligence in assessing Begg's position with solid biblical, theological, ethical, and pastoral study and discussion. I've been in ministry for 30 years, and what I have witnessed in those three decades is an appalling viciousness on the part of believers toward those who embrace views that are not heretical, and they will not budge, but continue to attack. Begg's position is not a question of heresy, and it challenge us to step back and carefully study its ethical, biblical, pastoral, and theological implications.

[@kierananderson5807]

Thank you for this comment. I think it reveals weakness and fear in the average conservative Christian, as well as pride and idolatry towards certain opinions and celebrity pastors. I struggle to understand how people can claim to have love when we look at how they've treated Alistair Begg.

[@kdhander]

Spot. On. My thoughts exactly.

[@gregorysmith9706]

I so agree.

[@heresyhunter2649]

I have to disagree. What Alistair Begg did was in fact heresy. If you even approve of homosexuality, it is sinful (Romans 1:32). And if someone attends an LGBTQ wedding, and buys them a gift, that individual is sinning by approving of sin. And if you tell someone to attend an LGBTQ wedding, you are also sinning by approving of sin. We're supposed to have nothing to do with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them (Ephesians 5:11). Because of Alistair Begg's approval of sin, and his refusal to publicly repent and recant what he said, he should be considered as an apostate who should be marked and avoided. And I will not back down where I stand.

[@JesusLopez-un6mw]

You can have the longest history of sound preaching and teaching for a lifetime and destroy it all in one second. I hope that he retracts and repents of his words or that will be the case with him. I heard his sermons first many years and found them sound and appealing but can’t approve of his advice under any circumstance in light of the scriptural truth. You cannot give a pass to someone for his past. We always live in the present and that’s what counts. I pray that he will correct it all for everybody’s sake.

[@APleaForReason]

Why is it so hard for people to see that you can disagree with Alistair Begg's advice without accusing him of sin?

[@1963wheeler]

Um... Because to condone sin is...SIN!

[@JonJaeden]

​@@1963wheelerTo counsel someone to sin, even more so.

[@blueflowerfilms5933]

We are on this side of eternity. We can't do things right. Come Lord Jesus.

[@johnnyoost1144]

Yes!

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Rom. 1:26-32 teaches that God doesn't see any difference between homosexuals and their heterosexual allies.

[@duanebrown2063]

While not defending Alistair or his position, I have sent about two dozen comments to Christian leaders all over the country, because I don't think social media is the place to deal with it. In Matthrew 18 Jesus tells us how to deal like this. Social media has been filled with hateful retoric. Maybe John and Steve and Paul didn't mean it that way, but it sure sounded harsh!

[@addjoaprekobaah5914]

Yes. Almost every influential American Christian leader un his circle thought it was necessary, even a salvation issue, to drop all that they were doing and chime in. This is what made the case bigger than it was. All I can say is that tlwe should all remember that even the best of men are men at best, and shaking together running over will be metted out God forbid they slip.

[@bethanylewis3267]

But Alistair is the one who made it public in the first place. It can be disagreed with publicly.

[@ashc2703]

Hi Todd! Could you do an episode about funerals? Because the last two funerals of elderly people in my family, who were very clearly not saved, at the funeral everyone talks about them “being in heaven and being Christians and having faith in Jesus.” At one case this was a non denominational service and one was a Catholic service. It was so awful hearing the name of Jesus blasphemed in both of the different situations. I would never take my kids to a Catholic service of any other type why are we expected to come to a Catholic funeral and bring them? I have a grandmother who will not likely love much longer who has rejected the gospel as a Catholic and don’t want to go and hear the blasphemy and definitely don’t want to take the kids. I would attend and take them to the dinner or whatever some after. But I think if you go into this it would help my case when I tell my christian family who will be offended when we say no. Thank you!!

[@directorjames1855]

I may not be Todd, but if I may give my opinion, ask yourself two questions. Would attending be harmful to your or your kids’ spiritual health, and would attending dishonor God? If either of those two questions are yes, then you shouldn’t attend. If both are no, then you’re most likely fine. I hope this helps. God bless, I pray that you’ll get a response to your question from Todd.

[@TheRealQuartKnee]

Funerals (unfortunately) are a wonderful place to witness to others. People begin thinking of their own mortality, the meaning of life, and are faced with how truly finite we really are. It’s a dark place to shine the light of the gospel. Maybe don’t take the children, as it could be confusing the difference between catholics and protestants. It would depend on the age of your children. You do not have to entertain whether or not the deceased person is saved. We don’t know that persons heart at the end of the day. They could have repented of their sin and cried out to Jesus right at the end, and our Lord welcomed them into the gates. We do not know, it’s not for us to decide thankfully. Praying for discernment and the wisdom of Christ in these matters. 🙏🏻

[@GayleMarie-f6d]

@@TheRealQuartKnee so true. thank you for your comment on this subj.

[@PeterJRam]

Worth the watch! I re-watched Alistair Beggs' sermon (ALL OF IT), and was satisfied with his explanation of the situation and his recommendation. The resulting witch hunt made me want to clarify my opinion.

[@carolynpatty3711]

His actions shows compromise! Period!

[@ruthseilern5400]

Thank you Todd Friel! Thank you so much!