What Annoys Two Gorilla Moms?

[@sonyawilson1000]

If you study this troop's behavior over a period of time they each definitely have their own distinct personalities. The sister girls are not fighting. 🤨 Being naughty, mischievous and competing? Yes! Well one could say Tayari is the dominant female BUT I am doubting this scenario lately. Iriki is definitely stepping up making her presence and position known in the troop no doubt! In this scenario this behavior merely is "rough play fighting" and a game of "hit tag you're it" running alongside one another, running past one another and slapping "your opponent" or a tree branch (showing off) and chest beating kinda like what D'Jeeco does to the lady wives. D'Jeeco also does this when he wants the lady wives to stop doing a particular thing. Again it has to be interpreted based on the situation at that particular time. The same gestures can have different meanings. Slapping the ground, or chest beating could mean "a threat is approaching," or "I'm trying to get your attention, because I just tagged you, but I've got the upper hand..ha ha, or I won...victory!" The latter in this case 👍. An open hand chest beat and stomping the ground means "let's play rough" in which both sisters do quite often, which also includes raising both arms and slapping/pounding each other on the head. Tayari also does chest beating and stomping the ground when she is trying to locate her husband D'Jeeco "hey where are you?" or "I feel uneasy about something". Now I've noticed when Iriki is in naughty looting mode she kidnaps Jabali..."you keep stealing my baby so I'm gonna steal yours, oh and look I can run far with your baby AND with my baby under belly". Again showing off...and poor baby Jabali gets caught in tug of war cross hairs and dragged a half mile, or stepped on, but Tayari does rescue Jabali when it happens 👍. Again it's just the rough gorilla way of life, and part of developing personalities in a social setting amongst the troop. These lovely lady wives here are competing for ranking top female in the troop, which is what female gorillas do, in an antagonistic sort of way. These sisters are just 11 years old so...it's tit for tat for now. They are trying to assert dominance over one another during this rough playing 😃. Oh asserting dominance can also be demonstrated when Tayari sits on Jabali and wants him too stay put (I know...looks weird). Anyhow D'Jeeco is like, "look if it gets out of hand I'll establish order...otherwise I'll be over there in another part of the enclosure leg stretching, having a veggie cocktail 🍸 and enjoying nature...bye!" 🤣

[@mariabitry4108]

Great comments, I wonder, how you know too much about gorillas?

[@sonyawilson1000]

@@mariabitry4108 Thanks...It is a hobby of mine. I've studied them for many years 😃. Such fascinating primates no doubt, and each individual personality makes it even more interesting, and they're so adorable 🥰.

[@sonjavandam1306]

@@sonyawilson1000 what you have said makes sense..We have to try to get a clear picture, before making a judgement call... I don't know what's going on, but thanks for making sense mate... To be objective is not always the way to think.. cheers babes,🍷

[@sonyawilson1000]

@@sonjavandam1306 😆 I had to re-review some videos myself my friend while in 🤔 mode before the light 💡 came on. These two sisters...NEVER a dull moment Sonja, never. 😂

[@gregsutton2400]

So much for your expertise.

[@fionaxd5089]

全部看完，兩媽交手如下： 1:05 Tayari 打 Iriki 2:10 Tayari 打 Iriki 2:52 Tayari 打 Iriki,Iriki同時還手 2:58 Iriki 回打 Tayari 4:06 Tayari 打 Iriki 結束

[@wtyuan5588]

一個活潑愛鬧，一個沉靜壓抑，兩姐妹最近的關係還真是讓人緊張啊😵‍💫前天打得特別兇，迪亞哥出面解決也許能相安無事一陣子吧😮‍💨

[@GloryAndy]

真的常常需要迪亞哥 🦍

[@jor6426]

This is a PERFECT example why there needs to be communication between humans and primates using sign lanuage. I even alert my cat to when someone is coming. And I'm telling you... she greatly appreciates it. She is more at ease, and she knows I care about her welfare.❤

[@GloryAndy]

😊

[@MySkinnydip]

I miss your videos Andy! I always go back and binge watch my favorite troop!😊

[@GloryAndy]

Thank you so much I miss 🦍 a lot 😊

[@redlipstickmafia]

@@GloryAndy Please make some new ones!

[@ninawest8]

I really wish they would leave the babes out of their skirmishes.

[@陳彩鳳-q5s]

打打鬧鬧可以，不要咬傷對方就好，尤其是小孩都小，希望北動能更改餵養方式平均分配食物，讓每位都能吃到好吃的，不用為食物而互相傷害

[@susanschultz6354]

Well said

[@redlipstickmafia]

They still fight over food 2 years after this comment.

[@aliceobryant618]

This playful yet competitive posturing between the sisters is what Tayari misses the most in present time. She frequently tries to instigate something with Iriki to spark her up but Iriki gives nary a bite.🤷🏽🙄😉🤔🤷🏽

[@redlipstickmafia]

I think you're right about that!

[@sonjavandam1306]

Was this the lead up to the looting, they are so fiesty, I know it means something when they bang on the ground like Iriki does, can't remember. They seem to be trying to out do one another..🤣 Dj is gonna be bald soon😥 great video Andy.🌟 Thanks so much for sharing, never a dull moment with this troop.✌️

[@sonyawilson1000]

Sonja Iriki said she's top female now 😆.

[@sonjavandam1306]

@@sonyawilson1000 Hi Sonya, I don't know what's going on with both of them, I suppose we just have to wait until thing's are more clear.???😘

[@sonyawilson1000]

@@sonjavandam1306 Hi Sonja! Watching all videos up until this point...read my (lengthy 😁) reply of what I believe is up with these two sisters 🤨.

[@sonjavandam1306]

@@sonyawilson1000 👏🙋🌟😅I did see the longer reply...spot on. Cheers🍷

[@sonyawilson1000]

@@sonjavandam1306 My very kind friend! Blessings! 😍

[@kimhaveman3628]

I can hardly watch this family because of the way Little Jabali is treated by his mother. I know there have been some still shots of her sleeping with him or feeding him but my gosh that poor baby just wants his mom to hold him. Breaks my heart.

[@RichardPennetti]

When Jabali was first born, many people pressured the zoo to take him away from her she had no interest in him. She was too young to have had a baby. And, had no maternal interest in him. He hardly ever nursed. She denied him more than she fed him. No cuddles no nothing. I guess he turned out ok.

[@redlipstickmafia]

I didn't start watching this family until fairly recently so I know that Jabali is fine now. But if I had seen these videos back then I would've lost my mind seeing that baby treated so horribly! Just nuts! I imagine the zoo must have supplemented his feeding with bottles in the first year, because I can't imagine her spending enough time nursing him. She barely ever lifts him above her feet. And she started to put him on her back long before he was old enough.

[@jessc7039]

Perhaps so! WE know that it’s construction so there’s nothing to be afraid of. But all they know is that there are loud scary noises from next door / old home 🧐

[@mariabitry4108]

This behavior doesn't have nothing to be with the construction, is about female dominance. I think Tayari is jealous about Iriki and Iriki have had enough with Tayari bullying, because they both have offspring of DJs with just few months between them and even is very subtle Iriki is wining DJ preferences. Just because Tayari is too much to handle. Sorry for all the Tayari fans. With the last fight between the female that DJ have to intervene and even Iriki get some of the discipline she shows she is not a bit afraid of Tay, she just runs out of patience with her sister. Just pray that Tay got it!!!, because for an smart gorrilla like many claim she is, she have been beaten too much.

[@jessc7039]

@@mariabitry4108 You could be correct about everything you just suggested. No one will ever know for sure. But I think this video implies that the construction noises made things worse. Construction noises are a noise pollution that would negatively impact the average human family. But we would know the direct cause of it, this family does not know what this is-they can only hear the loud penetrating noises. The feeling of being unsafe in your own home can make everyone very tense, uneasy and exasperate any existing discontent 😬 Perhaps this is why Tayari has been looking for a way out?

[@tothetopj2296]

@@jessc7039 well said

[@thh5231]

we know that gorillas are too sensitive to resist the environmental rumble. That was the fault of ZOO.

[@susancortez4124]

first time i saw iriki getting feisty

[@tothetopj2296]

The noise of construction made Iriki nervous???🤔

[@bskiez]

*1:00* 🚨 *INCEST ALERT!* 🚨

[@davidtseng7702]

台北動物園 你們也要多多注意一下啊！這次Jabali沒被Iriki踩死 那以後呢？噪音的問題應該是可以防範的 譬如播放優美的音樂呢？

[@lunchien9516]

說甚麼“踩”死？那Tayari常常亂跳，小J也曾爬上去時，跳下來差點踩到小R，好像大部分人也沒說故意踩啊～ 說這樣混淆視聽的話，讓版面最近都很烏煙瘴氣，我看網友也很入戲ㄟ～

[@思恩-o8w]

@@lunchien9516 小J已經被iriki故意踩兩次了，你應該是選擇性的看不見吧？希望園方有注意到，iriki情緒真的有問題，園方應該多關心一下！發現大家各有擁護者耶，超好笑的🤣

[@Grace-iv5kn]

@@lunchien9516 kzbin.info/www/bejne/j16monemhcxqeaM

[@Grace-iv5kn]

@@lunchien9516 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y17XZKSZaLaLhJI 7:27的地方

[@Grace-iv5kn]

@@lunchien9516 kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4Cvd6R7dt6Xma8 4:44 到5:16

[@joeychen9124]

Iriki真的是個性使然、從荷蘭比較安靜略有自卑的心理、到今日生了Ringo之後什麼事都要跟Tayari較真、不是歹逗陣與家族其他成員保持距離、就是盛氣凌人與Tayari互不相讓、自己太保護Ringo、卻又看甲百二跟迪亞哥很親近而吃醋、現在還會有意沒意的欺負甲百二！真的是春天後母心翻版！只希望不要傷害到幼猩猩就好！

[@おてがわ]

確實感覺她心理狀態很不好，塔子就不會拔毛，園方說I在來台前對方就知會有拔毛問題了，過度沒安全感會認為全世界都與她為敵。之前跟塔子玩鬧她還會微笑，現在變得焦躁暴怒失控，她目前已經很難正常去看待其他成員了。

[@ann5993]

Andy, I really hope this video will explain what is happening that is causing Iriki to treat Jabali the way we have seen in your video of her looting and stepping on him. They're videos out that show her being extremely cruel to the little guy and never why she is doing these things.

[@sonjavandam1306]

Ann, we seem to keep popping up at the same time, asking the same questions.🙋 All will be revealed... I'm in Australia. Different time zones..👀

[@ann5993]

@@sonjavandam1306 🙋‍♀️ I'm in Eastern part of the US. Yes we do 😉😄 I sure hope so. Iriki has always been so sweet and calm before.

[@ellenknell9645]

@@ann5993 So am I Ann.

[@ann5993]

@@ellenknell9645 🙋‍♀️🌹

[@Georgie14]

She’s truly dragging him around.

[@AnziLai]

我看的也好緊張唷😳😳😳😳

[@gorillabff1003]

Iriki does the ground pound silverbacks do when they challenge each other 🦍♥️

[@sonjavandam1306]

Andy I really hope this is longer than the last 3 clips & you can put some context in as I am really confused.🤔 Dam I should have read the intro.😎 Silly me.

[@GloryAndy]

🤗 This is a 4-minute video Sonja 🙂

[@sonjavandam1306]

@@GloryAndy Don't know if I can wait that long, oh okay I will practice some patience.🤣 Only cause it's you.😘

[@GloryAndy]

Thank you Sonja ☺

[@marthatrending]

Hermosos ❤❤❤❤Saludos 🙋desde Minatitlán Veracrúz MÉXICO 🇲🇽

[@juliajohnson6022]

The noise is definitely bothering them.

[@davidtseng7702]

好期待啊！

[@pamela6507]

As what's going on with iriki and why are the girls seemilingly competing with each other another great video thank u

[@GloryAndy]

Thank you 🙂

[@juliajohnson6022]

The construction noise is definitely bothering them.🇺🇸❤️

[@GloryAndy]

Yea 🥲

[@thor573]

I really do not like the way these females treat the little ones. It's bizarre.

[@redlipstickmafia]

That's not normally functioning gorilla behavior. That's gorillas with issues. I wish the zoos would take on the responsibility of gorillas' behavioral health, not just physical. It's really they're responsibility, and healthy gorillas today are a better guarantee of healthy future generations. That's a big deal considering these animals are critically endangered.

[@mentayflor]

Why does Tayari usualy drag her baby?😥

[@redlipstickmafia]

Doesn't it seem sometimes like D'Jeeco is a single father of 4? 🦍🦍🦍🦍

[@km6341]

The sound ruins this video. It would’ve been much better if we could hear what was going on.

[@lilirishgrl]

The baby sitting behind the adult in the beginning was copying the adult’s mannerisms.

[@GloryAndy]

Yeah 😊

[@michaelmannix1604]

Well gee, they keep looking toward the visitors and flinching. It looks much less to me now like they're "competing" and more like they're asserting their presence, which ordinarily wouldn't be an issue if not for the fact that they both have infants to protect; D'jeeco is more accustomed to this enclosure, and he also doesn't do very much in the way of parenting, so naturally he isn't as concerned. I mean, think about it: it wasn't until visitors started pouring in from after the lockdown that the two sisters started acting restlessly. Almost always, you can tell they're already tense before an outburst through how they stare in the direction of the visitors, tightening their posture and beating their chests. (Btw, the "tapping" on each other's heads is a common behavior even in wild gorillas that is meant to inspire others to follow their lead, not to agitate them. Obviously, there's strength in numbers, and it's their instinct to rally each other to further assert their troop's presence to threats-particularly when they're surrounded.) I've come to really hate this enclosure. It's much too open, and very noisy. They should've better prepared for the sisters' arrival. Instead, viewers are busy blaming the gorillas for their own anxieties...

[@Cloud76721]

I want to say that they can’t see outside at all, so they don’t know how many tourists there are…Zookeeper is already trying to solve the problem, so I don’t think it’s all about the relationship between tourists, it’s purely the problem of the two sisters…🙂

[@michaelmannix1604]

@@Cloud76721 Um... You can literally see the visitors in several videos through the glass windows. There are windows on almost every side of the enclosure. I'm sure the keepers are doing what they can, but the layout is just bad. This same type of open enclosure was used in London Zoo, and it distressed the gorillas so much that one broke the windows and escaped. While that doesn't appear possible here, they shouldn't have to feel anxious whenever they go outside.

[@Cloud76721]

@@michaelmannix1604 I mean that there is a layer of paper on the windows that they can’t see outside, so only tourists can see them, they actually can’t see the outside. It’s also to reduce their tension, but not all gorillas don’t like tourists. At least I’m sure D’jeeco doesn’t hate it. Although not every zoo can do its best, but at the Taipei Zoo, they do their best to take care of them…so don’t worry too much. Besides, these two sisters had their own problems in the previous zoo, they don’t just have such a situation now…

[@michaelmannix1604]

@@Cloud76721 If we can see visitors on the other side of the enclosure through both the glass that the videographer is behind and the opposing windows all the way across, obviously the gorillas can see them too. They have the same visual perception as humans. Even if they WERE heavily tinted, camera flashes will show through and should be prohibited. If the windows weren't floor length, it might be fine, but it's a bit late to fix that. They would need to install a low guardrail on the visitors' side to hide their lower bodies (standing is perceived as threatening by gorillas, but almost no visitors ever kneel to look at them anywhere in the world). As for Tayari and Iriki's personal histories, sure, they're sisters, so obviously they have their bad days. I don't even care about them fighting. That's what gorillas do. That doesn't mean they should be tormented by obnoxious guests, even if the guests don't realize they're unnerving them. Even so, they didn't appear this agitated until after the lockdown, especially now that they both have children. They need privacy, end of story.

[@Cloud76721]

@@michaelmannix1604 Since they're in the zoo, of course there will be tourists visiting them. According to what you said, it would be better for tourists not to visit them...there are many animals in the zoo to take care of, not just caring for gorillas. If you are worried about their physical and mental health, then I think let them return to the wild...After all, Africa is their habitat, and they are relatively free and will not be disturbed…🙂

[@benc.9622]

可憐的小J，被咬被拉被踩還被摔。😭

[@おてがわ]

竟然做成藍色蜘蛛網😂

[@ellenknell9645]

Glory Andy: Why is the hair missing in spots all over D'jeecos body? I always wondered that.

[@tothetopj2296]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/e37bmaqZpMdsZ5I Iriki did it. Iriki got the problem of plucking.

[@fionaxd5089]

Don't worry, Taipei Zoo has tried to solve the problem, it does work for Iriki.

[@fionaxd5089]

Taipei Zoo's Video kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXyZeYCGot9phas

[@mariabitry4108]

I think that part was Iriki but there are too many spot that don't look like plugging hair but loosing hair, is stress or bad nutrition.

[@sonjavandam1306]

@@mariabitry4108 Tayari has started to pluck dj on the other side... I think they think it's a good way to get close to him, one on each side.🤣 We do know how much they 💞 love him.

[@Popular4]

我一直很好奇為什麼腦公是否有皮膚病。 為什麼祂身上的毛有凹洞?

[@高立雅]

lriki拔的，她拔自己的也拔老公的😓

[@susanpotter9720]

Jeeco seemed ok about it all....so it may have been a woman only thing going on...

[@betestefani1578]

TAYARI desde sempre apresenta um comportamento anormal mas agora está cada dia pior. Parece que ela e IRIKI estão disputando a atenção de D"JEECO e os bebês no meio dessa loucura toda e parece que estão abalados. O pessoal do zoo precisa tomar atitude e salvar os bebês. Eles não merecem viver assim. 😔

[@claudiadossantosfernandes1094]

Tayari agora sequestra Ringo, infelizmente Iriki tem que aguentar essa situação, pedir ajuda como? É palpável a forma como Diego ignora Iriki e fica de sempre perto de Tayari, foi um erro colocar Diego com duas fêmeas, deixava só Tayari e arrumava outro macho para Iriki.

[@ninawest8]

This has been building up for about a week it seems , I have noticed a lot of dirty looks and tension lately. In a perfect scenario Tayari and Shebani would be together, my goodness he would love all that attention and adoration AND her high energy would certainly match his. If Nene dies someday and when Annie and Kiamosa leave, then he will only have a disinterested Ai, So maybe they could do it at that time. I know these sisers have been together, but other families are eventually split up too. So what makes them any different? I think we need a petition for Tayari and Shebani to be an eventual pair😉☺🤎🖤🦍🦍

[@jessc7039]

They do seem like a fun match! Double the trouble 😜 The only thing that I would be sad about would be Tayari losing natural looking habitat. I’m not sure if a concrete jungle would be the best option for our girl here 😣

[@chingchilla6777]

Gentaro needs a wife too, probably sooner then Shabani needs another

[@kathieshirley]

@chingchilla6777 Yes he does! They are very close in age, way closer than waiting on Annie! Great call!

[@benc.9622]

之前有發現小J有時看到Iriki會突然嚇到跑開，有在一些影片中發現她會偷偷欺侮小J,之後就看到Tayari會帶著小J衝向她，衝來衝去的，訓練小J膽量。但在事件當天一些影片中有發現Iriki那天反應有比平常較為激烈。

[@st1009]

常看到你對Iriki的負面留言。不要再編故事了。Tayari在發現Iriki壞孕後就開始三不五時的打她，那時小J還沒辦法衝。

[@Grace-iv5kn]

@@st1009真好笑你不就是在編故事嗎???你怎麼知道Tayari知道Iriki壞孕???你怎麼知道他們是在玩還是在挑釁,你是動物專家嗎??

[@st1009]

@@Grace-iv5kn 你怎麼知道Tayari不知道Iriki懷孕？她自己也懷過孕。有一陣子Tayari對Iriki動作頻頻，有版主提到，Tayari的動機可能是源自於Iriki在荷蘭的家族位階比較低，也有可能是因為Tayari想搶當家母的位子。你也不是動物專家呀。還是老話一句，平靜的看影片很難？不要再打口水戰。有問題保育員都有看到，會想辦法解決，沒人想看到保育類動物出現任何的差池。北動關於Iriki拔毛的片段，網友有說看到保育員在大太陽下拿著望遠鏡記錄Iriki拔毛的狀況，他站在後面看了都覺得好辛苦，保育員都有在注意，會小心的。

[@Grace-iv5kn]

@@st1009 版主說的?誰?以訛傳訛的話能當真??還有因為Tayari想搶當家母的位子是你腦捕的?Tayari知道Iriki壞孕你腦捕的?你以為你在看后宮甄嬛傳阿?你要別人平靜的看影片自己腦補情節攻擊Tayari!他人稍微說Iriki對小J不好!就不准別人說!你只只許州官放火，不許百姓點燈阿?

[@st1009]

@@Grace-iv5kn kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXqxo5iim56Jo9E 回覆到此為止，也希望你多做點功課，動物之間是會有權力上的競所產生的衝突行為。之後你愛怎麼說就怎麼說。

[@mentayflor]

Tayari meastrate her baby.

[@lunchien9516]

煩請版主標題可否不要這樣下～ 感覺最近看金剛家族的影片，一堆意有所指，指桑駡槐的言論，讓人看得都很難有趣味跟療癒感了～ 我們看這些動物們的影片，應該是要開心，溫馨跟感動的～ 而不是在那邊指責哪個，搞得大家看得也心煩，真的本末倒置了～ 就好好看，讓牠們，也讓我們清靜好嗎～ 老是看這些自我解讀的留言，到底是多討厭Iriki啊～ 連對猩猩也這樣，真的無聊透頂了～

[@おてがわ]

我不覺得應該粉飾太平但也不贊成對他們產生惡意，I確實有她的心理問題，不需要去避諱也不需要針對她辱罵

[@lunchien9516]

@@おてがわ 所謂“心理問題”，感覺比較多是憂鬱症，但跟“精神病”差很多喔～ 所以解決問題，不是在版面帶風向，怪罪哪一隻，這樣並不是真正在為牠們好，不是更唯恐天下不亂嗎～