What are ALL the different Figure Skating Choctaws? Ice Skating Difficult Turn Explained!

[@IceCoachOnline]

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[@biff5856]

I could care less about jumping, (except for the old delayed axels, my favorite that will never happen) I love these footwork moves, rockers, choctaws, mohawks twizzles etc. All I really want to do is dance across the ice with music from my cell phone.

[@IceCoachOnline]

It's a lot of fun doing turns and footwork! I'll be adding more videos like this in the future, but I wanted to wait until ice rinks open up first! 🙂

[@Jin-Hee]

forward inside open choctaw 0:44 forward inside closed choctaw 2:01 forward outside closed choctaw 2:29 backward outside closed choctaw 3:31

[@DyckAmber]

I never thought I'd say this, but I feel much more confident learning new jumps and spins than footwork! It's crazy how something so small can be so challenging! Very well explained 👌

[@IceCoachOnline]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video. Footwork varies in difficulty a lot, some things aren't too bad, but some turns are really though to master!

[@kumikosachs4619]

This things are SO hard to do, I have a hard time controlling the second edge. Thank you for this excellent video!

[@nowolves870]

Am I correct if I say : - 3 turn : same foot, change of edge - mohawk : change of foot same edge - choctaw : change of foot, change of edge What is a rocker counter then?

[@IceCoachOnline]

Yes you are 100% correct. Rocker: same foot, same edge, turn the same way you would if you were doing a 3 turn. Counter rocker: same foot, same edge, turn the OPPOSITE way you would turn if you were doing a 3 turn. Bracket: same foot, change of edge, turn the OPPOSITE way you would if you were doing a 3 turn.

[@nowolves870]

Ice Coach Online Thanks so much! Your explanations and videos are really helpful for self-taught skaters like me!

[@IceCoachOnline]

@@nowolves870 you're welcome! I'm happy to hear its helping you out!

[@KxNOxUTA]

@@IceCoachOnline Wait, bracket? 🤯 First time hear! It's OK, I'm going to look it up. I've probably seen it already 😂.

[@KxNOxUTA]

@@nowolves870 Thanks a ton. That summary is super helpful!

[@andychan6458]

Choctaw. I love everytime he does a choctaw, he says the word choctaw. And even a choctaw-choctaw.

[@lizardtooth6252]

Brilliant video. Very well explained and not boring and too wordy. Thank you!!

[@zoidoehrer4768]

Great explanation! As an adult ice dancer, I love watching people do choctaws - I think they look very elegant! So far the only one I can do is the "fake" choctaw: the BI-FO open choctaw done for spin entries or in power three-turns.

[@IceCoachOnline]

Thanks! Glad you liked the video! 😂 The fake choctaw😂 Choctaws at great when you get the hang of them and are far more comfortable to do than some other turns like forward outside rocker.

[@KxNOxUTA]

I'm going to have to go through this once more veeery slowly and one by one! So much variety! Great! 😁

[@IceCoachOnline]

Let me know if you have any questions 🙂

[@KxNOxUTA]

@@IceCoachOnline Will do! I've given it a little try today in a short free moment. Tried the first one. I understood what I'm trying to do. What I can't do at all yet is switching travel direction. I can't turn my feet out enough and weight distribution completely fails me. I'm yet to figure out where balance goes. The moment I turn backwards I land on my backwards inside edge and can't get myself to lean the other way for the life of me 😂. I'm sure it's one of these things that are easy once your body has figured out where to be at what point. That said, I can't do rockers either. My body says "Where do you think you're going? We're staying on our cycle, foolish woman!" 😂

[@natsskates]

The rumba choctaws are actually really hard, I had a hell of a time learning them. My coach had to hold my front arm and pull me left and right, took a few days to get it. Now I can do them sort of ok, but I lose speed completely after just 2 forward/backward choctaws, so it's still a long ways to go!

[@leannemartin9137]

Hi Lloyd, great video!!!!!!! would you be able to do another of the common competition ones, but in more detail, with of close ups and slow-mo of the edge change/foot placement and the body lean with the correct arm position...(don’t want much do I 😉). I’ve just started learning the back outside.

[@IceCoachOnline]

Thanks! Glad to hear you liked it. This is something I have started filming actually! I also want to include what common mistakes look like. For example I would have a slow motion shot of it performed correctly, then another with an incorrect edge in the Choctaw, which results in the skater losing points on their footworks during competition.

[@mikatravelchallenge77]

Hi! I am a beginner adult figure skater from Japan. Your video is easy to understand. Some day I want to do beautiful Choctaw like you!!

[@Prizzlesticks]

I got a little busy at work, and when I came back to look at your jump videos, I saw you made the Choctaw video I asked about!! What a *fantastic* surprise!! Thank you so much!

[@IceCoachOnline]

You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@IceCoachOnline]

Someone brought It to my attention that I missed out the "Cross Toe Choctaw" from the yankee polka compulsory dance 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ My bad! I'll make sure to cover that move in a future tutorial! Thanks to Katie Stader Holmes for bringing it to my attention 🙂

[@kolapyellow7631]

U make it looks so easy. I can't even balance on ice.

[@IceCoachOnline]

Thanks! We have plenty of tutorials up to help you learn to balance on the ice!

[@stefaniaponitz5738]

Very pretty moves. I've got some other things to practice before I'm even going to attempt this LOL

[@IceCoachOnline]

At least you know what these moves look like now! Let us know if there is something you're working on that we haven't covered yet!

[@annaelisa5346]

I remember my trainer forcing us to do this and no one understood what was going on Thank you so much for this video!

[@IceCoachOnline]

😂 That's funny! Glad to hear the video helped.

[@MDMarck1401]

I Really want to Thank you for this video. It is not very common to find a video with a complete explanation about this Topic. 🙂⛸⭐⭐⭐

[@IceCoachOnline]

Thank you for the kind words! I'm haply you liked it!

[@متینفرهمند-ن1ض]

Good job,,,,u r talking about rumba dance but why Wright it rhumba?

[@derekchandruang]

Lloyd 😍😍😍 reminds me of my ex from the valleys

[@annieli3518]

Ok, so with Mohawk the free leg is in the middle and Choctaw the free leg is in front or behind? Is this the difference?

[@grantnoroyan4083]

some great skating and tips are you an ice dancer......lovely

[@IceCoachOnline]

Thank you! Yes I was an ice dancer when I competed.

[@grantnoroyan4083]

@@IceCoachOnline who coached you

[@IceCoachOnline]

@@grantnoroyan4083 I had a lot of different coaches over the years including: Muriel Zazoui, Romain Haugenhaur, Igor Sphilband, Marika Humphreys, Barbara Fusar Poli, Natalia Linichuk, Joan Slater.

[@grantnoroyan4083]

@@IceCoachOnline wow some great coaches for sure i grew up with igor when he first came to detroit in usa 25 years ago amazing coach for sure and muriel and roman also very good in france and barbara in italy .......great coaches cheers

[@kseniia_]

I didn't get if the difference between first 2 choctaws is only in 25 cm? Or there is different body positioning already? 🥺

[@IceCoachOnline]

The only difference between the first two is the distance between the feet. I included them both since they are featured in different ice dance compulsory dances. The wider stepping Choctaw is a fair bit harder to do.

[@kseniia_]

I also wonder how arms and shoulders should actually help in this turn? It seems you don't need them because professionals don't really need? I usually have them aching after training as I really need them to keep the balance 🙈

[@IceCoachOnline]

As long as your upper body (torso specifically) is doing what it is supposed to do, you can wave your arms around without it affecting the turn (within reason). That is how high level skaters manage to do all sorts of arm movements without messing up their footwork. You arms will ache less as they get stronger! Mine used to ache too 😞🙂

[@biari8599]

What about inverted choctaws, I've noticed those in several single's programs over the past few seasons, specifically BI-FO and BO-FI. I think they can look really cool and add some character, because they're not as common. But I'm never sure how they're supposed to be executed, without doing too much of a jump/loosing contact with the ice i.e. what's still acceptable. Also, I wouldn't want anyone to think I just messed up a BI rocker or BO counter :( but that's inevitable I'm afraid, with steps/turns that are unusual.

[@IceCoachOnline]

I made this video around 2013 and unfortunately I missed a few choctaws that I now feel should have been included! What I'll be doing is adding creating another video in the future that includes the ones I missed out, such as your examples above. Normally any kind of jump or hop from one foot to the other results in the turn not counting as a clean turn (in ISU competitions). You should aim to step from one foot to the other as smoothly as possible!

[@kseniia_]

Somewhere at 4:17 the sound goes off as if you were swearing 😛 I'm struggling with choctaw at the moment I change the foot - it turns to be more like an awkward jump. I guess if a press more on inner edge, it should work better? Then i am close to fall down 😫 and can't stop tightening my feet in boots, does everyone make this effort? Next day my feet ache as if I spent the whole day on high heels 🙄 And I wonder

[@IceCoachOnline]

😂 It was the mic dropping out due to some interference. Are you jumping from one foot to the other during the Choctaw? Which one are you trying to do?

[@kseniia_]

@@IceCoachOnline I do all typical ones, forward and backward, and it feels like a jump because of unsustainable position I guess... no problems with forward crossrolls but the same awkward foot change in backward crossrolls

[@IceCoachOnline]

@@kseniia_ sometimes people don't take enough care with placing the foot down gently, so they end up plodding it down heavy. Try to use your knee action to step down gently during the Choctaw.

[@MusicHarvester]

I swear you all are spying on my lessons in class. 🧐🧐🧐🧐 My coach just spoke about counters and rockers earlier this week, and I asked about choctaws, which she demonstrated...... and next week, I'll be searching for that spy camera.

[@IceCoachOnline]

😂 What a coincidence! I promise you we are not spying on your lessons 🤣

[@N.A.alchemist]

Yeah I can't twist my legs like that, I'd die

[@maryd8288]

L'Agorà!!!

[@IceCoachOnline]

Yes! Well spotted! I used to train there ❤️

[@aed2318]

Sorry to be this person …. But .. Take a shot every time he says Choctaw 😅😅😅😅

[@shoham2792]

am I the only one who read chocolate on the ice? 😅

[@toitoimil]

You talk too much and show tooo less! Do it the other way around

[@ЕвгенийКорвяков]

Чё? Кто?!!