What Can The .300 Blackout Do That The .458 SOCOM Can't Do Better?

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[@TreborUSCG]

Q: "What Can The .300 Blackout Do That The .458 SOCOM Can't Do" A: Hold 30 rounds in a single magazine........

[@CHAOSTACTICAL]

Apples and oranges taste totally different with different nutrients as well

[@allenmoto291allenyother8]

Havent watched yet but in response to the title. 1.) Load 30 rnds in a standard mag 2.) Use cheap .308 bullets for plinking 3.) Use the most widely available brass on the planet

[@jerrychandler657]

458 for home defense......just in the event a sasquatch attacks.

[@montana375cheytac]

I use mine for home defense because I live around meth heads and grizzly bears.

[@robsorgdrager8477]

@@montana375cheytac grizzly meth is the worst.

[@evo666]

@@robsorgdrager8477 worst than meth gators?

[@robsorgdrager8477]

@@evo666 even worse than them deep souf bath-squaltchers and methshiners . I'd recon grizzly meth is even worse than some moly-thickets 😏

[@donniebrookins6215]

Or the bad guy is hiding behind your neighbors refrigerator

[@voodoo1449]

I'll tell you what it can do that 458 SOCOM can't....hold 30 rounds of 220 grain sub-sonics in a standard capacity magazine.....BAM!!!!!

[@jasonblahafirearmenthusias4699]

Touche.

[@nickleback3695]

syb sonics are weak.

[@xeroblastx]

Voo Doo1 i would pay to see any person who says subs are weak take that challenge

[@user-sy6gq9yk1d]

7.62x39 also has 220 grain subsonic

[@swampfox7522]

Ive also accuratly and consistantly hhit target from 5 to 700 yards.

[@Provi03]

.300 BLK was developed not due to consumer demand for another caliber of AR, but at the request of the Special Operations community for a sub-sonic round that has more kinetic energy than a 5.56x45. It was derived from the wildcat cartridge .300 Whisper. The changes from the Whisper to the Blackout were minimal, mainly what was needed to become a SAAMI certified cartridge. .458 SOCOM was also developed at the behest of Operators in order to be able to quickly swap upper receivers and magazines to more effectively engage and put down threats. The beginnings of the .458 SOCOM go all the way back to the after action reviews of the operators that participated in Task Force Ranger during the Battle of Mogadishu. They wanted more stopping power and this was the beginning for the .458 SOCOM.

[@stevelauterwasser1475]

subsonic 300 BLK rounds absolutely can and do expand in gel; check out Lehigh defense and IV8888. Do they over-penetrate though? Arguably yes.

[@mwc729]

Totally. And you should see what a Lehigh 300blk Maximum Expansion does to hogs. It expansion is insane. This guy doesn't know much about the 300blk obviously.

[@derekchecketts8461]

This guy goes all around the world just to reload Hardcore bro!

[@alexgavieres8293]

One thing you're not factoring in is that 300blk is optimized for the short barrel AR. Short barrels being ideal for home defense. A 7 5" AR pistol in 300blk shooting 110gn bullet at 2200fps is putting out more energy than a 55gn 223 bullet at 3100fps. Like you mentioned, the pistol powders are used and will be more efficient in the short barrels. Training rounds using 150gn xtreme flat points with 14gn of Lil gun and used range brass can be made for cheap! can also use 150fmj, if you were one that WANTED more penetration to shoot bad guys behind a wall or door. 30rd mags vs 458 10rd mags are not even comparable. Don't be naive in assuming a home invader would never bring an AR15 TO the home invasion....or his 3 buddies. 458 follow up shots are gonna suck in that situation. btw, I love your videos, keep up the great work!!

[@lifewithmarleyandjon4616]

Alex Gavieres very valid points

[@skyungjae]

Glock 19 w/ 33 round magazine baby!

[@user-vt2cj7mc1u]

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[@chitterlingsrtasty]

skyungjae indeed there are many ways to skin cats. I'll take them all thank you ;)

[@GioGuitarDude]

Unfortunately you are off on one account. A 7.5" barrel will not launch a 110g blackout projectile anywhere near 2200FPS, and even if it did, a 55g m193 at 3100FPS would be pretty much identical to the 300 blackout in the muzzle energy department (8 ft/lb difference). You are identical with a 16" 5.56 and a 10" 300BLK... which I am not denying the incredibly of. www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/576681_8_300BLK_Ballistics__velocity__energy__expansion_.html

[@3vil3lvis]

If you think you need a 400 gr projectile and are concerned with cost, why not use a 12 gauge shotgun with 1 oz slugs for your home defense?

[@mohammadcom1]

3vil3lvis Because you can put a suppressor on a ar-15, 458 socom platform which is hard to do with shotguns plus that you have 10 shots + one in the chamber in a 458 socom ar, rather then 8 rounds of slugs in a12 gauge shotgun. Same power as a 300 blackout full power round/load when using a 458 socom subsonic load.

[@mohammadcom1]

3vil3lvis plus that if you're trying to shoot at a deer at 200 yards with a 12 gauge slug. Good luck mate gething a clean shot. 458 socom no problem.

[@tilllindemann2476]

W You can easily suppress a 12 guage, and if youre using a ksg, you get more than enough rounds. If youre specifically looking for hunting, there are rifled shotguns that get superb accuracy past 200m. The legendary Ted Nugent has proven this time and time again. I still think 458 has its niche though. The 8.6 creedmor is going to be the new hottness as far as subsonic hunting rounds go...

[@IIDASHII]

Define easy. A suppressed shotgun capable of clean shots at 200 would be as tall as I am. Moreover, it is hard to overstate the benefit of detachable mags. You also get a MUCH wider projectile selection with .458. On a budget, shotgun all the way, but .458 can do a lot, and in ban states, it turns your 30 rounders into legal 10 rounders (joke. Maybe? Lol)!

[@dexter2433]

i do agree but shotgun slugs are in no way cheep costing more than some rifle rounds at $1 each for cheep and over $3 a shot for some :-) but i do agree that the shotgun is a excellent option out to 200 yards with a rifled barrel slug gun

[@smatterchew]

The title could be "What can a 22 LR do that a howitzer can't do better?" What a butt nugget.... On a completely different subject... how much do you charge to load that 6.8 Grendel?

[@perrylangis165]

When people talk about the pros and cons of 300 blackout, they almost always forget to mention it's number one advantage, the versatility of the round. Out of an 8 inch barrel, you can shoot supersonic ammo (125gr to 110gr, ~1800-2200fps) to similar ballistics to a 7.62x39 coming out of AK sbr, or you can slap on a suppressor and shoot subsonics with ballistics similar or better to a 45acp carbine. To me, it's almost like having two uppers in one. Now loading up on the premium supersonic or subsonic ammo for home defense or hunting is pricey, but plinking ammo for both have been coming down in price.

[@Oberstgreup]

That is the problem with every half-baked criticism of .300 BLK I see on KZbin (in videos or in comments). "Why .300 BLK when you can do X better with [$cartridge]? Ignoring the fact that while [$cartridge] might do X slightly better, it can't do Y at all while .300 BLK can. The whole point is the versatility. Anyway you can say the same about just about any other cartridge on the planet. Why would you want a 9mm when a 10mm has more energy? Why would you ever want a .308 when 7.62x39 ammo weighs so much less? Ignoring that all of those things are tradeoffs.

[@VeritasEtAequitas]

Yep, about the same energy from a 10.5" as a 5.56 from a 16".

[@anthonysmith3132]

@Anonymous Panacea yep i wouldn't hunt with a thompson lol. I'm joking idk about that round on deer. I like 7-08

[@ihcterra4625]

@Anonymous Panacea no. A .300 blackout can shoot a 260 grain bullet at 1050 ft/sec and expands to 1.3 inches. 45 ACP is going to be slower at that weight and won't have as much expansion. Subsonic is under about 1050 ft/sec. You literally can't shoot a .45 faster and still be subsonic. I see them in the mid 800s for velocity. The heaviest blk I have seen is 260 gr. The lightest I have seen is 78 grain. The cool thing is, you only have to change the ammo to get vastly different performance.

[@ihcterra4625]

@Anonymous Panacea the .300 Blackout is the commercial version of the .300 whisper. They called it that for a reason. However, as the real strength of the Blackout is the versatility. It isn't the best at anything, except maybe suppressed subs, but it can do an acceptable job at an incredibly wide range. If you reload, there is an incredibly wide range of options, that is still growing. I just loaded up some 85 grain xtreme cavitatiors that are hitting 2400 ft/sec in a 9 in barrel, some 125 grain varmint JHPs hitting 1900 and some subsonic 200 grain coated lead for hearing safe plinking at less than 20 cents a round. The varmint bullets act like pistol hollow points when you slow them down to 1900. There are some incredible bullet designs in solid copper now, from expanding bullets that grow up to 1.3 inches to fragmenting that have 7 wound channels to super cavitation.

[@lifewithmarleyandjon4616]

just so you know there are many expanding subsonic 300 blackout rounds now. maker bullets and gorilla ammo's Silverback line.

[@rwgibson1]

Gotta love the inaccurate info here lol.

[@MrBlacksmithrob]

the whole mystique behind the 300 blackout happened years ago ,the 300 whisper did it long before . 300 black out is a fantastic round to suppress and far more cost effective than 458 socom

[@frijoli9579]

Interesting take. You basically talked about all the shortcomings of .300blk and said I can do the same thing with a bigger bullet. The fact that you say a .300blk cost the same is ludicrous. .458 ammo costs way more, the barrels cost way more, the bolt is NOT the same cost as a 5.56 bolt. I can buy a .300blk for the same amount as a 5.56. Show me one comparable .458SOCOM all metal milspec , for 430 dollars? I love .458 don't get me wrong, but a lot your information is wrong.

[@Slinkman2021]

Way wrong lol I literally just got an Ar15 in .300blackout just made not even but a few weeks ago. And here this guy is saying I can build a .458 for the same price as my .300black? HAHAHA not even fucking close, I'd spend nearly twice as much for a .458 upper than that of a .300black upper. This guy needs a write all his info down first and have a friend fact check him before he uploads a video.

[@TattooedNSnappedBack]

Frijoli y would you want milspec

[@skylerhoney3912]

yeha 300 is waaay cheaper to build then 458 and for most anything id say price wise youre better off with 300 BUT id say for some its a personal thing like myself I like large caliber rounds 700 rum 300 wsm 338 lapua so for me the fun of it is : .458 cause fuck you, fuck your cover, fuck the 4 men behind you, and fuck my shoulder lol

[@cplstiffy]

You COULD buy a .458 upper for the same price as a .300 blk. The important part is that money will you buy you bottom of the barrel .458 or top of the line .300. We're not talking about ink pens and notebooks. You do get what you pay for here.

[@nadien1958]

I would tend to agree, pricewise, a 300 Blackout is one third the price of any 458 Socom, hence I got a 300 upper to fit on my "ghost-gun". as for reloading, again, the 300 Blackout is at least 1/3rd the price of a 458 Socom.

[@AGfrom83]

300 blackout might go straight through someone's chest, but believe it's sending them to the next life.

[@Condor1970]

I've discovered that 300 Blk is excellent for home defense whe using hot loaded 110gr SST or Varmageddon. The fragmentation is instant, with little concern for ever penettration. The size of wound cavity is frightening. Also, far more accurate at any range.

[@DelHollowProductions]

Bless his heart, he's trying.Shame he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

[@SETSfirearms]

Oh my God I already dislike this video made a comment I got a comment again this guy has the gun knowledge of a CNN anchor. Apparently expanding 300 Blackout rounds don't exist barrel length is not a factor KZbin Warriors man when are they going to realize posting videos of themselves being stupid stays on the internet forever

[@TheChampionp]

I would get a 300 blk pistol and start handloading while i wait for my suppressor and SBR paperwork to come through. I can't believe as a handloader/reloader you don't find 300 blackout to be a fun caliber to tinker with. 30 cal has the largest selection of factory bullets, not to mention casting and powder coating etc. I think your missing the bigger picture here and that is that shooting is FUN! It's not always about hunting or home defense, even though you can custom load the 300 blk to do those things too. Of course every caliber has its benefits and limitations but i don't think anyone is choosing 300 blk for their once in a lifetime moose or buffalo tag. I guess I just find it odd that 300 and 458 are even being compared to one another because they are obviously invented for completely different applications.

[@JJsGA]

@What saith the scripture? no, no its not. Your not yeeting a 458 to 300+ yards with any real accuracy and you lose out on ballistics in short barrels. To me, the knock down power of the 458 is trumped by cost and recoil as well as being hard to find. I can't walk into any gun store in my area and find 458. I can find 300blackout as readily as I can 5.56. Hell my local ace hardware has a ton of 5.56 and 9mm. That's the only store I have not seen 300blackout in in a 75mile radius of me

[@dreadjavapirate]

Interesting talk. It is a good idea to consider all options when going with a non-5.56 build. For me, I did not get 300 Black or 458 SOCOM, I went with 6.5 Grendel; hunting and target shooting is my interest. And that 6.5 Grendel is a tack driver!

[@awag160]

6.5 is usually not a subsonic so it’s usually not in consideration for people looking at 458 or 300blk

[@castanza128]

"What Can The .300 Blackout Do That The .458 SOCOM Can't Do Better?" My answer: "be purchased" .458 can do a lot of things great..... if you make the ammo yourself..... for $2 per round.

@jiovannitorres93 you can make 300 blk for about 16 cents a round.

[@sdvten]

I can reload .458socom for $.25 a round because I get the lead to cast the bullets for free. If the bullet is lubed and checked add another $.04. Thankfully the .458 brass lasts a long time.

[@ronaldroberts7221]

I think the 458 AR is an awesome round, and yet...at 14:00, you state the brass for 300 BO is expensive. Most of the guys I know who have 300 BO reload, and they also use that equipment to re-neck once-fired 5.56 brass that is dirt cheap...Just a thought.

[@thebloopsound4241]

Come on man, you have to leave one side of the hat unsnapped.

[@samuelpope7798]

Not kick as much? Take a higher capacity magazine? Shoot cheaper bullets? Use simple reformed spent .223 cases?

[@Zionsol777]

i own a 300 blkout and a 458 socom. i love both of them. i don't shoot suppressed though. for home defense i have lehigh cq rounds loaded. it is a 79 gr bullet with devestating expansion and relatively low overpenetration. for my 458 I use lehigh controller fracturing bullets. 325 gr monster. I don't see a home Invader surviving either of these. unless You're Made Of Money you're going to want to reload either of these rounds especially the 458. cases will run you about 1$ a pop, and good bullets will also be about 1$ each. you can reuse cases though, and you can but hardcast lead bullets for around $70 for 250 rds. Hogdon lil gun,powder works great for both platforms.

[@Shootgreedofirst]

They sent Harold Fish to jail for having a 10mm. Wonder what the jury says when you plug someone with a 500 grain .458 round.

[@Ramb1t0]

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[@Shootgreedofirst]

@@Ramb1t0 Yeah... I know what happened to Harold Fish, I brought it up. That prosecutor weeped and gnashed teeth about how dangerous 10mm was, and how it was a high powered round that even police didn't use, and that it was designed to shoot through bulletproof vests. Total horseshit, but that was what this comment was about. If an ambitious ammoral prosecutor can make hay out of a self defense shooting with a 10mm, imagine what one would do if you shot someone with .458, even in totally justified circumstances.

[@CC-oy8ii]

Crazy to think about how any jury would convict someone for having a caliber doing what’s it’s supposed to do.

[@jwill540]

1. Fit 30 rounds in a standard mag. 2. Cost less. 3. Better aerodynamic coefficient. 4. Only requires a barrel to convert an existing ar. Don't get me wrong I think it is a cool round for the ar platform but it is rather niche.

[@Toker9420]

I stopped watching when he said 6.8 Grendel smh

[@MyMainMan756]

I know. I wasted too much time on this video as well. I just don't see myself picking up a socom, or any gun with a 10 mag. 30 or bust, we aren't in california anymore.

[@austntexan]

Glad I read through the comments before getting into the vid. Good post.

[@tahcogunworks]

That hat!

[@archangel20031]

Funny, when I priced the bolt, barrel and ammo for the 458 SOCOM, everything was WAY MORE EXPENSIVE than 300 BLK. The barrel and bolt price point as well as the brass (god forbid loaded rounds at way over $2.00 each) was why I did not build one!

[@randomsmarts3977]

I have 556, 300BO and 458Socom. My go-to for home is the 300BO, 8.5" barrel, suppressed, 110gr polymer defense round. Yeah the supersonic crack is loud, but nowhere near as loud as the muzzle blast from an un-canned 8.5" barrel. The suppressor brings the muzzle blast down enough to not rattle my cage, the bullet is devastating, the weapon is short and maneuverable, and it still holds thirty rounds.

[@manictiger]

I think 458 is the better choice. I don't see capacity as important as initial shock, barrier defeat and damage value. If I've failed to clear the house with 12+1+12(mag cinch)+12(buttstock mag pouch), then something has gone terribly wrong, and I need to retreat and get the 50+1 308, as well as consider a more defensive, cautious and atrophy-based style of fighting, since most of the ground has been ceded to the enemy and they're obviously strong enough to still be assaulting after receiving 37 .458s from a high-end ultra-light carbine.

[@twissted1277]

6.8 Grendel...I have a 6.5 Grendel and it is the best of the bunch!

[@Uziavenger]

Can't believe I just watched a 20 minute video of a dude ranting about calibers while reloading but the guy really knows his shit

[@aaronp9835]

The .300 black thru the honeybager is like an MP5SD that fires 7.62/35

[@Dogtrainerslife]

The ejection port will need to be opened up a bit from the research I have done on 458

[@doug4974]

Big brass go ping

[@VeritasEtAequitas]

Yeah, or some companies sell uppers ready for it.

[@ravissary79]

Ooo, oooo, I know I know! Fit more than 10 rounds in a magazine!?!? :)

[@user-cu6sj6he3k]

One thing that 300blk can do way better than 458 SOCOM? Keeping the damn bolt alive for longer for a start😂

[@d-op1502]

There are companies making subsonic 300 expanding bullets now. So that statement doesn't hold as much weight now.

[@dexter2433]

300 BLK was designed with a specific shorter-range focus and to work reliably with suppressors as the 5.56 is difficult to get to function sub sonic and use components the military already has and it is built around a 9" barrel setup for close quarters use .......and 30 rounds of 300 blk are worth allot more than 9 rounds of 458 in a self defense situation and you only change out the barrel all the rest is a 5.56 even the bolt .......and 300 blk is very cheep to shoot even brass is just as easy to find as 5.56 brass ....for one 5.56 brass can be converted to 300blk brass with a simple tubing cutter $7 and a case trim $12 from lee and with normal reloading dies and you have all the 300blk brass you could ever want .and the pistol caliber carbine dose not have even close to the energy the 300blk has subsonic for one it has 3 times the energy than a 9mm and twice as much as the very slow 45acp with a subsonic 220g round .....do not get me wrong I love my 450 bushmaster and my ARs in 5.56 also a 300blk for deer hunting is excellent out to 200 yards and is about the same energy as a winchester 30/30 one of the rounds that have taken a ungodly number of deer out to 200 yards but the 30/30 is not a AR platform ...............and to top it off the 458 Socom really suck for follow up shot because of recoil and the 300blk has even less recoil than a 5.56 from my experiences making followup shots a breeze .....also my son shoots 120g hallow points threw his 300blk rated for 2200fps and come in bulk buckets for cheep from Remington like $0.76 per round so not bad at all just my worthless 2c and my opinion as i love them all and now use my 450 bushmaster for hog and deer hunting and gave my AR10 in 308 to my son my other son not the one with the 300blk :-) did enjoy the video and your opinion keep it up

[@richardshippful]

I like all 3 calibers, no doubt my 458 SOCOM is the most fun to shoot, but I am building a 9" 300 blk supressed pistol for HD using Gorilla 205 gr subs that expand to 1.5", and are accurate past 100 yards, with a good red dot.

[@3045mc]

And the future arrived , subsonic expanders...

[@davidjordan8093]

Love the idea of loading rounds and shooting the shit BUT, your info is incorrect my ballistic brother. I know for a fact a blackout subsonic does expand in flesh. They have come a long way over the last few years.... I love the blackout for deer hunting and home defense...

[@michaeledlin9995]

I'm not worried about overpenetrstion. Hopefully they are stacked up. I run 110gr for home defense. 2100 fps.

[@TJ4774]

I view the 458 as as the 45-70 of ARs. big ass heavy bullet that keeps on trucking.

[@nolanritchie6280]

300 blackout advantages over 458 socom. short barrel suppressed supersonic and subsonic on the same gas system (yes, with expansion) cost capacity recoil management availability 458 socom certainly is more powerful, but exactly how dead do you need a bad guy to be?

[@joshuawalak6419]

Couldnt of said it better

[@gsmithy7995]

One thing you're forgetting about your argument is between 458 socom and 300 blackout but you keep jumping back to 556 to back up your points that 300 blackout is inferior but what you fail to get is you lose 25 rounds out the gate . You fire five rounds and I'm still shooting

[@brianjones1151]

I've got a feeling that youve never even shot a 300 Blk ! your all Smoke and mirrors mate ! 300 Blk is AWSOME !!!

[@nickleback3695]

Except the diameter is smaller so it makes a much smaller wound.

[@joelnagy8291]

The only thing you are worse at than critiquing the 300, is weightlifting.

[@bluefalconssuck5881]

My 300 BLK (SBR) is 30.5 inches O.A.L with suppressor. 30, 40, 50, (or 100 sh*ts & giggles) round mag/drum. There are rounds that do expand at sub sonic speeds for highly reliable leathality. For CQB it is great for maneuvering, control, low flash, and follow up. And for an extra trick, you can swap the Mag and have supersonic ammo if you so desire to better fit the situation. No other caliber you mentioned has all of that in one package. Yet you sure do jump around alot to try and make it seem that way. I also have .223 Wylde & 458 SOCOM uppers for it. For the AR-10 I have 22-250, 308, & 45 Raptor. I shoot them all for different reasons... But my SBR 300 BLK (suppressed) is my go to for home defense. Pistols are fine and I have my EDC, but they're meant to be used as an "oh f**k, oh, hell, oh f**kity ass hell" tool, until you can grab something better, un-ass the area, or both. But hey, you do you. R.L.T.W.

[@kennethwilliams2738]

ummmm how about shoot effectively over 200 yards? I would like to see your 60 rnd socom .458 magazine please.

[@tahcogunworks]

I just nailed a 250 pound hog with my 458 running 300 hp at 1900 fps. 215 yards. Does it drop? Yes but still has more energy than any 300 bo round.

[@absoluteresolution3822]

There is so much wrong with his information on 300 blackout this video should be flagged! 😂 There is a reason 300 blackout is the 2nd most popular cartridge behind 5.56. It is a versatile round with its only weakness being distances beyond 300-400 yards with accuracy. It shoots supers and subs, it’s a 30 caliber round with heavy hitting capabilities, it can be shots in barrel lengths as low as 5 inches(honey badger anyone?), and cost isn’t as high as many of the other calibers. You can hunt, plink and use it for self defense. What else do you need from a caliber outside of distance shooting and you need a dedicated DMR for that. Sorry buddy you are wrong!

[@jedediahhoffman7925]

300 blackout chambered in a 556 rifle? That wouldhave been crazy. My brother had a rifle explode on him. He had, I think it was a 220 swift and he tried to load it with a howitzer shell. It loaded right up. The only thing that saved him was his ear pro. He's lucky to be alive.

[@morganh2800]

I just watched a video of a 300 BLK being fired through a 223 AR. The bullet actually squeezed down the barrel but the receiver exploded. Nothing could be salvaged. I couldnt imagine my face near that rifle as it went off. I've labeled all my 300 blk mags and swapped the dust cover on my 300blk upper with one that is labeled 300 BLK. Just incase someone picks it up at a group shoot by accident.

[@yzfr1kenny]

I have both and like them both:) my old 45-70 is still my favorite does what ever I need it to do from home Invaders to any critter in North America

[@deqkraft3870]

6.8 Grendel sounds amazing

[@trevor22333]

There are several 300 blackout bullets that expand at subsonic velocities. The Hornady Sub-X, Lehigh high defence Subsonic Maximum Expansion®, and Alexander arms subsonic hollowpoint to name a few. Just FYI. but you have some other good points and your right that MOST subsonic 300 blackout rounds dont expand in gel/tissue.

[@mikehancho1613]

I shoot 300 blackout Hornady police subsonic rounds and they do expand in gel. My 300 blackout upper was only $179.00 and ammo is way cheaper now I don't mind paying $15 a box for hunting ammo. Not to mention everything is interchangabel for 300 blackout minus the barrel. In VA my furthest shots hunting are around 100 yards so 300 blackout Is perfect for me.

[@supremeheights2666]

This guy wears a cowboy hat & Superman shirt....DEFINITELY will NOT take him seriously in any way shape nor form.

[@patriciastauffer3278]

Both rounds are good rounds but you are confusing the issue by throwing in comparisons to the 5.56 round. The argument to stay with the 223 round only works for self defense, the minimum caliber round for deer (and larger game) hunting in many states is 6mm/.243 so until laws get changed hunting favors the .300 over the .223 no matter how good the ballistics and performance is. Now advantages of the .300 over the .458: First: the .30 caliber round has way more bullets available. Many are quite inexpensive and very satisfactory. We are starting to see some really good .458 bullets on the market, but the term inexpensive can hardly be used to describe them. Also, some of the best .458 bullets on the market are cast bullets which work great in the old .45-70 but can create feeding issues in semi-auto rifles. Second the brass for the .300 BO can sometimes be found for free at the local gun range, sure it is headstamped .223 or 5.56, but a little trimming and sizing you have brass! With the .458 you have to pay through the nose for brass if you can find it! Third: the upper receivers for the .458 are at least twice as expensive and the bolt head and carrier are special order if you need a spare, and as with brass; if you can find one.

[@mwc729]

You have never heard of Lehigh Defense obviously. There are are a couple very good 300blk subsonic bullet designs that expand larger than any .45 acp hollow point. And proven by many hog hunters.

[@subninja8069]

All the bedrooms are upstairs and we live on a stab with a great funnel place. All I have to do make sure it goes into the concrete..

[@colsoncustoms8994]

From the testing I have seen, a 300 will not chamber in a standard 5.56 barrel. Granted, I could for sure see it seating back the bullet and locking into place. Pretty sure with the way they usually load up the 300 AAC, the ogive will hit where the neck of the 5.56 case would be.

[@BlueSpud711]

Between these two rounds, 300 BLK wins in: ammo capacity, recoil, cost. Like you said though, to each their own when choosing their caliber. Respect your opinion.

[@StoutAdventureCo]

I like 300 blackout for few different reasons. 300BLK is the cheapest and easiest conversion to make your AR-15 a legal deer rifle in states that have banned 556 for deer hunting. The 458 Socom is not a round meant to used at a distance, it has far too much drop to accurately calculate the longer shots. This makes it an awful hunting load for anything outside of 100yard. Like hunting with a 12gauge slug. 300BLK also has a lot better ballistics than a 556 once you start reducing the barrel length. 10.5 and lower barrel lengths and I'd rather have the extra energy from the 300BLK.

[@accur81]

I had a .50 Beowulf. More power than the .458 at a similar cost and mag capacity. What did I do? I sold it. I already have a .45-70 that has more power than the .50. My what did I do with my 300 BLK? I bought another one. It has more power than the 5.56, hits harder at short range, and shoots much heavier subsonics than the 5.56 could dream of, without losing a single round of capacity. The 300 BLK is way more popular than .458 Socom for a reason - partially because you have triple the mag capacity of the .458 or .50. The .458 and .50 Beowulf are still cool rounds. The .50 is the AR power king. The 6.5 Grendel is the long range winner. The 6.8 is interesting. I own one, but wish I would have purchased the 6.5 instead. Still a cool intermediate round though, and has a cult following. The .300 BLK has great versatility. The 5.56 is the lightweight and versatility winner. Hey, buy what works for you and use it safely and within the limitations of the round.

[@fortusvictus8297]

Your opinion is based on your experiences and lifestyle, and thats great. What works for you works for you. However consider that the 300blk, like the .458 was NOT designed for hunting...it was designed to bring better terminal ballistic performance to a base AR platform. The .458 has found a niche in hog hunting and 300blk can crossover to hunting much easier than 5.56 however its not the actual meat of it. 300blk is better at suppressed operation and killing people than 5.56 AND 7.62x39 (queue the comblock fanboy hate). .458 is basically a slug gun in AR platform and does great with a suppressor out to 200ish meters...as requested by the customer. Thank you for not comparing the .458 SOCOM to the Beowulf...anyone doing a serious comparison there needs book education - kinetic style for failing to read it.

[@UNKNOWN-zb3qm]

Round capacity. That's what the .300 blackout can do that the 458 can't do better.

[@campbell2054]

I think you are trying to justify your purchase of the .458 SOCOM. If the .458 is your round of choice rock on I am sure it will accomplish what your goals are. The hate you throw down on the .300 BLK is way off base. The build cost is cheaper and reloading the 300 BLK is dirt cheap. the round uses very little powder, you can cut down .556 brass and .30 cal bullets are everywhere. If you want expanding rounds they are out there all you have to do is look.

[@bearlylegal1737]

"Shoot what you want, I just wont have an extra mag for you"

[@timmccallum7336]

I would like to see a video comparison of 308 AR10 And 458 SOCOM. At 300 meters and 500 meters. Power, capacity, trajectory

[@metaller_alex]

There are 300BLK subsonic expanding bullets : "Lehigh defense 194gr maximum expansion" and "Maker bullets 300BLK 200gr expanding subsonic".

[@rjakiel73]

458 SOCOM is about as much fun as you can have in an AR15 platform. Especially a 458 SOCOM pistol... 😁

[@stevena4060]

This is all opinion... and flawed opinion at that. .300Blackout bullets are improving by the minute and subsonics are perfectly capable of expanding. 458 ammo is outrageously expensive, difficult to find in stores, offers limited ammo capacity, Has recoil like a 30-06, and one round fired in an enclosed space (like in your home) will likely cause permanent hearing damage. On the other hand .300Blackout is available at Wal-Mart, has low recoil, runs ammo from 1000 to 2250 FPS without adjusting the gas system. Suppressed, it has just fine ballistics for human targets at close range or pests at close to medium range. It is also quiet enough that it will not damage your ears suppressed even with supersonics. If you are into boutique rounds for AR15s you are probably not using your home defense or even deer rifle for moose. But if you are into suppressors you can use the same suppressor on your moose rifle with your .300Blackout.

[@jlor7675]

In regards to your argument that "shooting supersonic, you might as well use 5.56": My HD gun is a suppressed 8" 300blk loaded with 110g V-max. Name me a round that would match the ballistics in an 8" 5.56? Other than maybe 855a1 @ $2 a round, there isn't one. And yes, there are several Subs that do indeed expand. Lehigh 190g ME expands to nearly 1", and Hornady 190g SubX isnt too far behind.

[@ML-nj8fq]

I’ll tell u a couple things 300 does better 1: Price 2: ammo capacity 3: recoil

[@anthonyhaddix3598]

You are wrong on one other point, the only thing that you need to change on a 556 upper to fire 300 blackout is the barrel. Also the 7.62 X 39 ( a very comparable round ) has proven itself to be a competent brush gun for deer sized game.

[@edi9892]

I guess that a 300 Whisper got a longer effective range than the subsonic 458, but that's just an educated guess based on the projectile shape. If anyone can put numbers to it, I'd appreciate it.

[@jessiesaylor3197]

Build a necked down 458 with 300 blackout round and id bet it's easily moving as fast as 308 ar10 w/o the extra weight. lil off main topic but as you say it would be a more humane kill than 300 blackout

[@calholli]

Cost, recoil, capacity, shooting distance..... 300 blk wins all of these vs 458.

[@jthrasher47]

I know this video is a couple years old now but 300 blackout has evolved so much and also has match grade ammunition now that the 556 always has so we match grade 556 cannot compete with the match grade 300 black that was inevitable... Don't get me wrong I shoot both. But to sit there downing one when you know progress was going to be made on it.. it's just dumb

[@logoscrescendo609]

How about follow up shots in rapid succession engaging multiple targets.

[@bluewater82]

5.56 works better in close quarters? 6.8 Grendel? .300blk needs a new bolt? You really need to know more about the subject matter before you try to take an authoritative stance on it. You sound like a typical fan boy arguing about Camaro vs Mustangs.

[@jamesb1856]

Mustangs and 300blk for the win btw.

[@moofjuice4246]

Way wrong about expansion and penetration of subsonic .300blk. Go take a look at Lehigh 194gr ME ammo gel tests. I think the average penetration is less than 18" and the expansion is absurd.

[@mtnmikewalters7185]

300 fits my suppressor and go subsonic that's why I use 300

[@mrwashur1991]

Just at my desk at the Grand Canyon

[@timotoxic4664]

5.56 for everday (Plinking and self-defence in close) 6.8SPC Hunting (longer distance 4&2 legged) .300blackout subsonic (light barriers going deep) .458SOCOM close up and personal. A geological pick will breakdown a wall, (after a while) but you can't use a sledgehammer as a silversmith. The right tool for the right work.

[@williamnicholson8133]

7.62x39 is so close to 300 blackout ballisticly but 7.62 is so cheap to practice with . Big bore ars are absolutely nasty

[@bladimilsanchez7905]

Love them both, there is something special about 458

[@flyingrv6]

I love the 458 but out of a standard 40 round mag I'm only gonna get 13 rounds. Maybe that's enough but if I'm fighting alot of zombies maybe not.

[@adrianchavarria4847]

Found the boomer lol 300 black out a rifle caliber will do much better damage than a 45 acp you can’t change my mind it will penetrate bone way better at better velocities I don’t get why people are using these pistol caliber carbines I would prefer even a 556 pistol over a 45 or any pistol caliber it’s a good back up option but I would choose a rifle caliber over a pistol any day of the week and 458 socom I don’t think will even go that far I don’t think anyone really uses those for home defense I only see it for hog hunting really you want a caliber you can at least take to the range and won’t leave you bankrupt so he shouldn’t be so critical of 300 blackout if he is using a even weirder niche caliber that no one uses

[@juanjsolis9284]

🤔 hmm. Nice video sir. Ok so, its an interesting point of view. But The way I see it, it's Personal Preference. So whether it's Hunting or Self defense, individuals can choose their own caliber. 🍺😎✌Thanks for the video.

[@SETSfirearms]

He lost me at 6.8 grendel

[@skrodgers68ify]

Lehigh defense makes a 68 grain bullet for close quarters bullet that wont kill you neighbor when you shoot it in the intruder in your house

[@sirnicholas6626]

I believe you brother, sometimes just the tip is enough to make mistakes

[@johnmurphy4299]

lots of misinformation in this video

[@donaldheine9169]

300 blackout is more efficient and effective in short barrels than 5.56. Concealed carry permits in most States specify a pistol. I can legally keep an ar15 pistol loaded in my vehicle. It produces more energy in short barrels than 5.56 and have a full 30 round capacity. In Illinois 300 blackout is a legal cartridge for deer hunting, and it is just a matter of using a Bob sled in place of a magazine. It fills a nich requirement for bottle neck cartridges that has a maximum case length of 1.4 inches 30 caliber or larger. Now straight wall cases 450 Bushmaster, and 50 Beowulf would also be legal. 458 socom would not. In subsonic loads there are several companies offering heavy subsonic ammo and bullets designed to expand at those velocities. They have been testing those loads on wild pigs in the South for some time. 300 blackout is loaded with pistol powder and is very efficient in short barrels and outperforms 5.56, 6.8, 6.5 with those short barrels. It doesn't require a different bolt or magazine.

[@swenner64]

I went 300 blackout because it is a handloaders dream. Use a cast 155 grain .311 Lee bullet with a gas check sized to .308 shoots amazing with Imr 4198 for fun shooting and is an adequate deer cartridge. For Big game I would go 450 bushmaster because it can replace shotgun in most states.

[@tmisuracosr]

6m 35 sec mark .... correction, Controlled Chaos is a brass jacket, .300 that will expand within the first 8 inches of entering ballistic gel

[@MannyScoot]

I hit a 315 LB hog at 100 yards with a .458 Hornady flex tip 325gr. and it dropped like a rock with a neck shot.......It's superior for large stuff .....

[@jh450er7]

I just watched the Bob Ross of caliber selection. I don’t know whether to hate him or love him

[@patmancrowley8509]

When reloading I prefer the Lee LoadMaster. I've used the rock-chucker and appreciate it, I've used the Lee Hand-loader, but I do so much more appreciate the Lee LoadMaster.