What comes after neoliberalism?

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[@tomtesoro5465]

“ purpose of economy” is to allow money to serve humanity, not a minority of elites

[@niko.k]

No one stopping you from building next search engine or car company or whatever you want to achieve

[@nonfictionone]

@@niko.k what should we do about the fact that the poor are growing in number and getting poorer, and the rich are doing better than ever before?

[@LongDefiant]

@@niko.k all those things get built with government money. If you can't land the large government grants you won't be able to build anything new.

[@coopsnz1]

@@nonfictionone the government causes it , how much taxes to you pay in northern Europe 50%

[@eighteenfiftynine]

This woman reminds me of a conversation I had with my mum over a decade ago about the corporate culture creeping into the county council leadership - all buzzwords and theory, but very little of any use. This is the same culture that installed health and safety policy that led to my dear old mum, in her sixties, out on an empty site (the middle of a field, far from the road) during a heatwave, clad head-to-toe in full hi-vis jacket and trousers, sweating half to death lest she risk disciplinary action. Neolibs and corporates are absolute cancer! They sit in their ivory towers, speaking their esoteric language, making rules that us lowly mortals must suffer for.

[@geoffreynhill2833]

Don't be hard on her, she's Australian. 🤔(Green Fire, UK) 🌈🦉

[@steveedmonds5592]

The world really must listen to Yanis Varoufakis - capitalism has eaten its own head and we are now serfs

[@coopsnz1]

Big government crooks screw private sector idiot , this moron wants more government control he want communism

[@Sirflyingmustache]

Good thing to see Yanis speaking about the coop ideas that prof. Richard Wolff always share.

[@thedude7319]

Digital wallets are too dystopian for me

[@garretttedeman]

Awesome discussion! So many insights that we (urgently) need to be thinking more & more about how to realize.

[@vebdaklu]

The last guy sounds like what you would call a "shill" - old dude gets asked about a successful model of cooperatives, and he turnes into Jordan Peterson like "oh, we don't know, no one knows, how can we know if it can be replicated, oh they are just bitter" and stuff like that. 😂

[@LongDefiant]

Martin is a lightweight. Don't invite back.

[@LongDefiant]

It's crazy how he just claims to the objectivist argument... Obfuscate, confuse, and hyperbole. And did the guy really channel Margaret Thatcher? Seriously. I listen to conservatives. They are the people with power today because they are the ones supporting the billionaire class. Conservative sit around and read The Fountainhead while the rest of us look from the outside at the hell world they are creating. Martin, you said nothing of consequence.

[@nick281972]

More like a fossil

[@mstipich1]

26: 37 In Serbia you could buy votes very easily. Ruling party is forcing public sector employees to vote for them and take a picture via mobile phone of the ballot. They are distributing groceries to pensioners for free in exchange for votes. In Gypsy areas 100 euros is a vote.

[@janklaas6885]

14:48 exactly 28:00

[@kayedal-haddad9294]

What would you call the new narrative beyond Neo-Liberalism?

[@DY-cq3qd]

It's the circularity that's weird. Smith earns a wage. It has to go as far as possible. Commutes so wants low rail fares. Supports own trade union which may well affect the interests of neighbour Brown. Needs a job so supports business because frightened of unemployment. Buys food which exploits farmers and third world but enriches supermarkets. Supports NHS tho told by virtually everyone who has worked for it that its wasteful but any alternative certain to be inferior. I could go on all day - we are all winners and losers with Neolib. Macro capitalism DOESN'T PAY ITS TAXES !!!! Recent (BBC R4 prog) stated taxes halved if fair proportionate taxes paid.

[@advocate1563]

Appalling woman. She just ranted. all assertion, no argument. Good one to share with my year 1 UGs on how not to do discourse.

[@TennesseeJed]

The carrot on a string is made of plastic and I am livestock 🐐

[@glenjo0]

Fascism, there saved you a whole bunch of time.

[@praxis22]

There are worse things to watch early in the morning.

[@keepcreationprocess]

you spend your time well , brother- go and rescue the world for all of us

[@GhostOnTheHalfShell]

Oh Martin Martin, capitalism only lifts all boats when their is a roughly egalitarian spread of economic power. The orthodoxy you represent guarantees oligarchy/cartels. It is little more than feudalism trading in direct labor products for money that has changed, leaving tyranny in place. When wealth becomes concentrated, they establish vast monetary estates that are unlimited in growth, not constrained like land. It is new and deeper form of tyranny. The state doesn’t change the dynamic (see USSR or China), only *democracy and representative governance does*. When growth does not exceed interest payment burdens, an economy is headed to inflation, recession/ depression/ default and utter collapse.

[@Ruderalis43]

UBI is exciting to consider. But I think implementing it before sector consolidation or regional monopolies are addressed presents long-term dangers. The money will benefit holders in the near term, but over time their spending will disproportionally benefit the current guard of unchecked capitalism. Until locally owned enterprise is the norm, UBI stands to further rob the working class of negotiating power and enriched communities.

[@LongDefiant]

Unlimited Billionaire Influence

[@ellengran6814]

The needs of humans are very limited: healthy food, knowledge/education, a connection to society/other people, a caretaker when young, old or sick, some joy and a «mission» (a good story providing meaning). Human wants/will is totally unlimited, and will only grow when fed.

[@LongDefiant]

I recently went vegan. I'm rarely hungry and eat about 1/3 of what I used to. I'm also down 25 lbs. Please explain my experience in light of your "unlimited wants" assumption about human nature.

[@ellengran6814]

@@LongDefiant When we get what we need, our body is satisfied . When we get what we want (sugar, fast food etc) , our body wants more, more more.

[@odikaiopolis2832]

Of course. GREED has no limits !!!!!!

[@jackparsons390]

Get rid of Katherine Trebeck...... she will bather on endlessly.

[@keepcreationprocess]

THERE IS NO WE

[@tomtesoro5465]

Fascism!

[@willmartin1033]

This is just a convoluted conversation justifying why socialism will work this time.

[@GhostOnTheHalfShell]

Monopolies of power is what the USSR had, what the robber Barrons had, and what the CPP has and what Russian and US oligarchies have. Putin was put into place to be the Russian Pinochet. US conservatives are striving to install their own. A laissez faire environment especially under own monetary and financial systems converge on oligarchy and oligarchy converges to tyranny. Until democracy effects both the workplace and government, the revolts against tyranny in the 19th century and of the US war of independence will never be fulfilled. Until the concentration of money and property is limited and until the toxic mix of interest + limitless money accumulation and withholding from an economy is realized, debt crisis will plague nations cyclically.

[@LongDefiant]

Feudalists said the same thing when capitalism was emerging

[@GhostOnTheHalfShell]

@@LongDefiant and capitalists insist we have open markets as they reformulate and recapitulate society back into feudalism.

[@niko.k]

The more I’m listening to his dribble the more I’m Certain capitalism isn’t perfect but it’s the better from the alternative. He’s idea about UBI sounds good but it’s awful in execution, government controls everything.

[@mranderson3927]

UBI paid in Govt digital currency sounds like a dystopia doesnt it

[@nonfictionone]

@@mranderson3927 In light of recent events I have realised it does. A camera sees you at a demonstration. Your bank income, bank account, and travel card are switched off until you report to the nearest police station. You are warned and released. Now you are a ‘good citizen’.

[@prajnasampaje3625]

@@mranderson3927 So does the $25 trillion handed over to coporations by central banks since 2008

[@keepcreationprocess]

It is NOT his idea at all. And the government controls Nothing -- and you are actually don t know what is going on ssoooonn , very soon

[@craxity]

Mr. Wolf's input is extremely predictable. Old white man spreading old white man ideas.

[@coopsnz1]

What comes after social democracy high taxation? 100% taxation communism that much worse