What Curse Was on Dumbledore's Hand? - Harry Potter Theory

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@latech7671
@latech7671 2 жыл бұрын
I think it might actually be possible that, despite what Snape thought, destroying the Horcrux after directly after the curse was placed upon Dumbledore might have helped a little bit as at that point in time during the moment the Curse needed to be strongest (while it consumed it's victim), Dumbledore destroyed 1/8 of the casters soul and even if it was dark magic, I still think that dark magic needed the casters Soul to work (as we see with Horcruxes, the darkest of spells, needing part of the "soul" to work). This would by extension also mean that Voldemort became weaker when it comes to his magical abilities as the Series went on and especially during the last book. Even if I think that Voldemort was even with only 1/8 of his soul remaining still extremely powerful and probably way more than most Wizards
@karlrovey
@karlrovey 2 жыл бұрын
Depending on the Horcrux, it mathematically could have had as much as 1/4 of Voldemort's soul or as little as 1/64 (not counting Harry, Nagini, or the portion remaining in Voldemort; assuming it divided in half for each horcrux). The diary would have had 1/2. The second horcrux would have had 1/4, the third 1/8, the fourth 1/16, fifth 1/32, 6th 1/64, then Harry with 1/128, and Nagini and Voldemort each with 1/256 of Voldemort's soul.
@YaBoiJeffe
@YaBoiJeffe 2 жыл бұрын
Which is ironic, when you remember he's a half blood.
@davidkosiba624
@davidkosiba624 Жыл бұрын
Full 'souled' Voldemort was probably the most powerful Wizard ever , I mean could have been if he didn't do any horcrux, since he didn't really have a connection with the horcruxes it is safe to assume that he got weaker as the less soul he had in himself
@thomasjeppesen3055
@thomasjeppesen3055 2 жыл бұрын
I just realized that if Voldemort hadn’t been so eager to punish Lucius for his failure at retrieving the prophecy by forcing Draco to murder Dumbledore, Dumbledore would eventually have died as a result of the ring which probably would have made Voldemort the master of the Elder Wand. I guess that was also why Dumbledore was so insistent on Snape killing him first.
@meannoharm1561
@meannoharm1561 2 жыл бұрын
voldemort was smart but too evil to do anything he really wanted. his greed for power over death and everything made him just stupid as the greed for power does to all desiring it
@jamesonrosen1773
@jamesonrosen1773 2 жыл бұрын
One often meets their destiny on their path to avoid it
@tovarishchfeixiao
@tovarishchfeixiao Жыл бұрын
The interesting is maybe Rowling was take idea for this curse from the real world. More punctually from Anthrax which is a virus what make similar effect on the skin (necrosis) if it enter your body through a wound, which is can be deadly but not as deadly as if you inhail it. But this is just a subjective opinion.
@faultydivinity156
@faultydivinity156 Жыл бұрын
I always viewed it in the sense that the curse had already “marked” Dumbledore for lack of a better term. Perhaps if he were to cut his hand off it may have just moved to a different part of his body. I mean, this is a really obscure and dark spell right? Besides if amputation was an option, Snape and Albus are some of the most brilliant wizards who ever lived, they’d have figured it out.
@nelswebs
@nelswebs Жыл бұрын
Snape killing dumbledore wouldn’t have affected the elder wand in any scenario, esp if we’re going by the last fight of Harry and Voldemort, but then again jk isn’t consistent with anything lol
@AWX_Wrestling
@AWX_Wrestling 2 жыл бұрын
The thing that I've never understood about the curse in Dumbledore's hand, is why he didn't chop the hand off after Snape had successfully trapped the curse there. I've always likened it to a gangrenous limb. You remove the limb so it doesn't poison the rest of the body. So why wouldn't you remove the limb the curse is trapped in to prevent the curse from poison the rest of the body?
@sakarinieminen3205
@sakarinieminen3205 2 жыл бұрын
Wizards dont know much about medicine
@damasek219
@damasek219 2 жыл бұрын
Plot-hole as usual with HP books
@theeleman
@theeleman 2 жыл бұрын
It's not a infection haha
@theeleman
@theeleman 2 жыл бұрын
@@sakarinieminen3205 I'm not sure it works like a flesh eating bacteria haha
@theeleman
@theeleman 2 жыл бұрын
The body is the soul even in Death your body is hole ... Aka people Believe that if you lose a arm in one life you won't have it in the next
@saeshwaran
@saeshwaran 2 жыл бұрын
I think than Voldemort, the ring had to do more here. This was his first Horcrux, he obviously was not a great wizard as he was when he made his final Horcrux, plus why would he place his most powerful Horcrux in a place in the simplest of places to find. One could say that the ring worked like the diary as a killing machine. But couldn't he have done it with all seven of his Horcruxes? My theory is that the curse was strong due to the fact that it contained the resurrection stone. The stone was used to bring people back from the dead. By placing his soul in the ring he sealed his soul in a place where souls can be resurrected from. So I think this made the ring even more powerful. Plus it was created by death, so its main function is any way to kill. Voldemort just gave it an easy way to do so. I don't really think the ring could be easily destroyed by Gryffindor's sword as I think a deathly hallow is much more powerful and deadly compared to a sword made by goblins.
@luigicappetta348
@luigicappetta348 2 жыл бұрын
His first horcrux was the diary
@omegagamer4124
@omegagamer4124 2 жыл бұрын
The sword was infused with basalisk venom and venom was used to destroy the diary and could destroy the other horcruxes
@NotSoSerious69420
@NotSoSerious69420 2 жыл бұрын
Harry breaks the elder wand, the most powerful of them with his bare hands lol. Also they weren’t (probably) literally made by death. Just very powerful wizards of the past. Also yes, the ring could easily be destroyed by the sword. Also as far as I remember Voldemort didn’t know it was one of the deathly hallows and it wasn’t particularly stronger than the other ones he made, he even left it in the open basically with pretty weak protection compared to the locket.
@deathwrow9652
@deathwrow9652 Жыл бұрын
@@NotSoSerious69420 Thats also a movie only thing, harry actually keeps the wand and uses it to repair his own. Dont think he ever opts to destroy it, cant remembre if he is even mentioned hiding it.
@NotSoSerious69420
@NotSoSerious69420 Жыл бұрын
@@deathwrow9652 yeah he puts it back in dumbledore’s tomb after repairing his own.
@pottaheditz-m7v
@pottaheditz-m7v 2 жыл бұрын
great video, your theorys really cheer me up on a bad day!
@anushkaauddy2126
@anushkaauddy2126 2 жыл бұрын
Like what's up with fantasy series and cursed rings? Lotr: Sauron's ring and the 16 rings (excluding the 3 rings elven rings because they were made to do good) Hp: Voldy Moldy's horcux (OK, Ik it's 2 but STILL!!!!!!)
@root13pie
@root13pie 2 жыл бұрын
While you are noting similarities don't forget that Sauron's Ruling Ring was also basically his horcrux.
@markpjf85
@markpjf85 2 жыл бұрын
It was bittersweet Dumbledore had to die it was the only answer in the end life death it’s a lesson to learned about
@carinadavison5087
@carinadavison5087 2 жыл бұрын
I find it silly that Dumbledore simply forgot the dangers of putting the ring on in that moment. Like he spent ages searching for the thing and didn't hesitate to put it on. Did he even need to put it on? He could've picked it up on the sides and if he didn't have the Sword of Gryffindor with him put the ring in some sort of box and apparate back to Hogwarts.
@illumi9044
@illumi9044 2 жыл бұрын
I think he did it impulsively because he wanted to talk to Ariana
@carinadavison5087
@carinadavison5087 2 жыл бұрын
@@illumi9044 Yeah I know. Just feels a bit silly. There's not many things in life that you just do instinctively like fight or flight or hugging someone you've missed.
@kadecoleman4104
@kadecoleman4104 2 жыл бұрын
Can you please do a video explaining why everyone was afraid to say Vs name at the beginning of the series?
@SA80TAGE
@SA80TAGE Жыл бұрын
probably just a superstition like Candy Man or Bloody Mary.
@mauraaa2988
@mauraaa2988 2 жыл бұрын
i like the theory that pandora lovegood was a wolf maledictus and she died trying to find a cure for her and luna 🥲
@adrastoso9727
@adrastoso9727 Жыл бұрын
I think Dumbledore could have been saved using Fauxes tears and the elder wand in Snapes hands, or Harry’s hand if he actually studied and became a powerful wizard as everyone expected him to!
@reiniernn9071
@reiniernn9071 2 жыл бұрын
I always wondered if sectum sempta...cutting of the hand of dumbledore would be effective in stopping the spreading of the curse . Why only containing to the hand if you can cut off that hand?. Who knows why Snape did not act like this? And why should the curse kill? A horcrux needed a body to be living again...Maybe the curse was made that the piece of soul could take over the perons body wearing the ring and only killing the soul of that person. That would be the thinking of Voldemort. Like the diary tried to take over all the life of Ginny.
@burundianfamily2982
@burundianfamily2982 2 жыл бұрын
i think if their was a chance to stop the curse dumbledore would have to sever his own hand or arm with the only weapon designed to kill horcruxes that being the sword of godric gryyfindor but dumbledore being as smart and clever as he is decided to make his on death a oppurtunity
@karlrovey
@karlrovey 2 жыл бұрын
@@burundianfamily2982 The sword would have killed Dumbledore even faster. It was impregnated with basilisk venom.
@burundianfamily2982
@burundianfamily2982 2 жыл бұрын
@@karlrovey it only takes on to what makes it stronger..ahh i forgot about that
@robertdefoe2396
@robertdefoe2396 2 жыл бұрын
It should also be mention that the curse obviously could not be undone by pheonix tears or else Dumbledore would've lived.
@toddcommish704
@toddcommish704 2 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you cut off his hand (thus stopping the progress of the curse) and then have Fawkes cry on the stump?
@robertdefoe2396
@robertdefoe2396 2 жыл бұрын
@@toddcommish704 Yeah kinda a plothole but... it magic.
@skyrogue1977
@skyrogue1977 2 жыл бұрын
Why not cut off the hand and create a new one like Voldemort gave to Wormtail.
@bronzin1445
@bronzin1445 2 жыл бұрын
Because it wouldn’t have mattered. Dumbledore’s death was inevitable regardless if he was cured or not. If the curse didn’t kill him, then it would have been Snape on the behest of Dumbledore. At best, it may have bought him a few more hours.
@darkionx
@darkionx 2 жыл бұрын
@@bronzin1445 not really Dumbledore was thinking about what to do about Draco and Voldemorts plan to kill. The curse simply made it easier for Dumbledore to make a plan based on the opportunities and circumstances, because the curse he was going to die anyway so why not use his dead to resolve 3 problems. 1. Dracos mission 2. Making Snape more trustworthy in the eyes of voldemort. 3. Having someone in charge of Hogwarts that could keep the place somewhat safe,if anything happened to him.
@elizabethoneill8612
@elizabethoneill8612 2 жыл бұрын
I only really felt sad the first time I saw Dumbledore die, but that was it
@anabelsierras14
@anabelsierras14 Жыл бұрын
Just an idea: Dumbledore's hand was black, and dead where the course entered inside him. Maybe Voldemort wanted the victim to die, but from one step to another and he created a course to do this - it's a more phisical concept. And "death" just spread inside him from one organ to another, from the most unimportant parts of his inside to the vital ones, and made to stop functioning everything, slowly killed everything, step by step. 😢💙
@aryanbhalla3426
@aryanbhalla3426 2 жыл бұрын
We’ll probably Severus should have cut Dumbledore’s hand and break the connection between the curse flowing from his hand to the rest body. What do you say on this @hptheory ?
@Braneloc
@Braneloc 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm... If it got into his hand and it went bad, probably should lop it off at the wrist. I guess that wouldn't stop it, it'd probably come back big time.
@ALF8892
@ALF8892 7 ай бұрын
Where did Dumbledore find the Gaunt Family Ring and what where the Gaunts doing with the Resurrection Stone?
@MasterOfTheElements
@MasterOfTheElements 2 жыл бұрын
What if Dumbledore amputated his injured hand? Would that have stopped the curse from spreading?
@jdwylde7
@jdwylde7 Жыл бұрын
My mind would go straight to “this will confine the curse to your hand for now.” Diffindo. Slice. Bye bye hand.
@Nemivicous
@Nemivicous 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering what the curse was about, amazing video as always!
@EshBBX
@EshBBX Жыл бұрын
If Dumbledore hadn't let himself be killed when he did, Snape may have never been able to play his part to the end. So even if he could hold off the curse, he knew that having Snape kill him right there would be the only way to truly solidify his position at Voldemort's side, this is hinted at very well in the book imo.
@King_of_Blue-Eyes
@King_of_Blue-Eyes Жыл бұрын
It’s as Dumbledore said, power was his weakness. 😢
@bcfb21
@bcfb21 Жыл бұрын
I would say the curse is actually very simple in its action. I think it simply makes flesh and organs go through necrosis. Or whatever the science word is for cells being killed off. That would explain why dumbledore’s hand turned black. All the flesh had died.
@leonardcollings7389
@leonardcollings7389 2 жыл бұрын
The curse of someone stealing the toilet paper.
@AdamMichalMarkowski
@AdamMichalMarkowski Жыл бұрын
Huh interesting. I also always assumed that Voldemort created slow killing curse, but now you've pointed it out it makes little to no sense, since Voldemort wanted whoever messed up with his Horcrux dead as soon as that person lays hands on it.
@Satchel456
@Satchel456 Жыл бұрын
Shower thought: with the curse that Voldemort put on the ring affecting Dumbledore, wouldn't that mean that Voldemort bested Dumbledore first and therefore the Elder Wand would be loyal to him and not Draco? Or was the Elder Wand only loyal to someone who bested the owner in a duel?
@luigicappetta348
@luigicappetta348 2 жыл бұрын
What if Snape had known about the Horcruxes? Had Dumbledore told Snape that the ring was a Horcrux, maybe Snape would have gone a different way into studying what the curse on Dumbledore's hand was.
@andrzejzborowski4920
@andrzejzborowski4920 2 жыл бұрын
I think when Dumbledore returned to Hogwarts the horcrux in the ring was already destroyed, so there was no need to inform Snape about it. Dumbledore never told Snape about Horcruxes, except that part of Voldemort's soul resides in Harry. Did Snape have any knowledge about this? We're not sure. Dumbledore removed all the Horcrux books from the Hogwarts library when he became headmaster. So Snape might not know anything about it. It was a very dark and little known stuff. The interesting thing is that the curse had no impact on the Horcrux itself. So it was destinated to kill a person who touched or wear the ring but not to harm the part of soul that the ring contained.
@luigicappetta348
@luigicappetta348 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrzejzborowski4920 that was a very well though out response. Thank you for the info.
@darthsneaky
@darthsneaky Жыл бұрын
The curse on Voldy's ring is called Cullivectus, or the "Cootie" curse.
@lizbaena2012
@lizbaena2012 2 жыл бұрын
I always wanted to know how RAB figured out his secret.
@karlrovey
@karlrovey 2 жыл бұрын
Kreacher, that's how.
@lizbaena2012
@lizbaena2012 2 жыл бұрын
@@karlrovey I mean yes but JKR made it sound like super obscure magic and he just figure it out by Kreacher’s story, which Voldemort did not Kreacher what was actually going on? Maybe you're right...
@planetmezo1145
@planetmezo1145 Жыл бұрын
Comparing making new spells to making potions is kind of silly. It should instead be compared to creating new types of potions that don't already exist
@TwizslurD
@TwizslurD Жыл бұрын
..is _that_ why Luna can see thestrals?
@ryanellis9325
@ryanellis9325 2 жыл бұрын
How do you know the details of Pandora's death? I've never seen that.
@omegagamer4124
@omegagamer4124 2 жыл бұрын
It was mentioned in one of the books when Harry saw the ghost horses for the first time since he had witnessed a death and Luna witnessed her mother's death
@ulrikerm3832
@ulrikerm3832 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this video is one your best!
@tavortar21
@tavortar21 2 жыл бұрын
0:48 Don't say his name.
@jameskent8203
@jameskent8203 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see one where dumbledor didn't die and had to tell harry he was a horcrux and had to die as I'm sure harry would have been sad to see a father figure lie to him and would want eed him to die from the beginning
@Nicole_blue0406
@Nicole_blue0406 Жыл бұрын
Or maybe when Voldemort killed Gregorovitch it automatically became Harry’s hear me out. Technically Harry bested Voldemort when he was just a baby, I mean no he didn’t exactly die but he should’ve. That act was good enough for the wand to automatically go to Harry. I mean it’s makes more sense then it going to Harry just because he disarmed it’s owner. So if my theory is true then Voldemort could’ve never mastered the wand unless he killed Harry.
@sadonion4378
@sadonion4378 2 жыл бұрын
if i were voldermort, i would have made horcruxes out of random things like pebbles and then shoot them into space. im sure there must be a spell that propels items fast enough, and far enough for them to leave the earths atmosphere.
@diakritika
@diakritika 2 жыл бұрын
My horcrux is Voyager 1. Good luck catching this one :)
@somewhatstrange2097
@somewhatstrange2097 2 жыл бұрын
Or make the entire Earth into a horcrux.
@Wardell43
@Wardell43 2 жыл бұрын
Fawkes says Dumbledore will return in the form of Harry's son fresh and new.
@JinxD247
@JinxD247 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe he put it on because he had the elder wand, and borrowed Harry's invisibility cloak?
@spiritusmundi70
@spiritusmundi70 2 жыл бұрын
I have a topic/question that nobody has covered so far as I know. It would solve more than a few questions.youve ask me.
@WirableCrown1
@WirableCrown1 Жыл бұрын
With the Elder wand Dumbledore could have easily stopped the curse, and he did stop it, but didn't eliminate it. I wonder why.
@aerystargaryenii2565
@aerystargaryenii2565 Жыл бұрын
Because magic
@prime-rib
@prime-rib Жыл бұрын
Why didn't Dumbledore just chop his hand off?
@sarajanesmith3892
@sarajanesmith3892 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder the same thing!
@ledoynier3694
@ledoynier3694 Жыл бұрын
This ring had the curse of Marriage. Whoever puts it on will see all its life's dreams vanish and suffer a slow and painful death :)
@carloreneeventura8714
@carloreneeventura8714 Жыл бұрын
The curse is .. Yo Mama
@tacopeters9028
@tacopeters9028 Жыл бұрын
Nederlands
@animeguygaming4803
@animeguygaming4803 2 жыл бұрын
Oops broke the 66 likes lol
@gombosmm
@gombosmm 2 жыл бұрын
So the only question this video doesn't answer is the actual question in the title. Thank you for wasting 10 minutes of my life :D. disliked
@garysanders8350
@garysanders8350 Жыл бұрын
Touching the ring was out of character. A weak plot device. One of the worst bits in the book
@SebOSRS
@SebOSRS 2 жыл бұрын
Gandalf is superior to Dumbledore. With all due respect to the headmaster.
@SebOSRS
@SebOSRS Жыл бұрын
@gizmo6485 Gandalf is actually an angel, Dumbledore is a human
@rhondacrosswhite8048
@rhondacrosswhite8048 2 жыл бұрын
Did Voldy see Dumbledore’s cursed hand when he took the elder wand from his tomb? Did he know then that D had discovered one of his horcrux’?
@dongaming968
@dongaming968 2 жыл бұрын
I think he didn't coz he was ver happy when he took it and he even used it at the time
@georgiosrinakakis934
@georgiosrinakakis934 2 жыл бұрын
@@dongaming968 if this was the case, it should be written in the books.
@lxena8033
@lxena8033 2 жыл бұрын
He might have seen the hand, but he wouldn't have connected it to the ring. Both Snape & Dumbledore were putting out the story that Dumbledore had been injured in his duel with Voldemort at the Ministry. Telling people that his reflexes weren't as quick as they once were. ( See half blood prince)
@ashersharol
@ashersharol 2 жыл бұрын
If it is true that the curse on the ring was supposed to kill the person who puts it on immediately, then Voldy wouldn't think much of Dumbledore's rotten hand, since as far as he's concerned there wouldn't really be time for his hand to rot like that since he was supposed to die immediately.
@ashersharol
@ashersharol 2 жыл бұрын
@@lxena8033 Good point. They used that story as the reason why he was sick.
@acm1137
@acm1137 Жыл бұрын
I always liked that Dumbledore wanted Snape the night he put on the cursed ring. Shows how much respect he had for his abilities.
@jeffreymorgan8687
@jeffreymorgan8687 2 жыл бұрын
Tom Riddle had in his possession the resurrection stone. This means he could have called his Mom back from the dead before he ever created a horcrux and that could have saved him from the path he took. Also: dumbledore kept a close eye on Tom Riddle, it’s surprising that he never noticed the ring held the deathly hallows he was seeking. Also: I believe Luna’s mother was trying to come up with a spell that would allow her to talk to magical críptics by transforming herself into said animal but because the spell required her to be all magical creatures instead of just one the spell was unstable and killed her, this is why Luna is so open minded because she learned it from her mother.
@thomasgregers1801
@thomasgregers1801 Жыл бұрын
Dude by the time he got that ring he already had horocruxes. And he absolutely would not have even thought to bring his mom back because she absolutely disgusted him.
@jeffreymorgan8687
@jeffreymorgan8687 Жыл бұрын
I remember now that the diary was his first one and in the movie he had the ring when he talked to slughorn. That was probably his second. But regardless you’re right , by the time he had made his first Horcrux, his mom couldn’t have changed him in anyway.
@deathwrow9652
@deathwrow9652 Жыл бұрын
Pretty weird the diary is his first horcrux, as the way its created it because someone heard him opening the chamber, and he opted to kill them... I mean JKR has said that the process for creating a horcrux is extremely vile, and requires much more than just killing a person, otherwise people would be creating them accidentally when they murder people.
@sarahhughes4437
@sarahhughes4437 2 жыл бұрын
The back spot. The kraken was after him.
@Thxtnt
@Thxtnt 2 жыл бұрын
Humor
@siggyunsichtbar6980
@siggyunsichtbar6980 2 жыл бұрын
Then why didn't Snape give him a jar of dirt?
@marccatamio
@marccatamio Жыл бұрын
​@@siggyunsichtbar6980 only works for Jones, not the kraken
@pillowvoid3198
@pillowvoid3198 2 ай бұрын
​@@marccatamio Damn! The lore goes deep here
@corruptparagon
@corruptparagon 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly Dumbledore could have possibly out lived the curse, but Dumbledore is a man of action and purpose. He knew his sacrifice would be a much bigger impact during the second wizarding war. IMO.
@hardylover
@hardylover 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. He knew his death would become a driving force in the events that were about to unfold.
@Mehwhatevr
@Mehwhatevr 2 жыл бұрын
Dumbledore was dying on the astronomy tower when Snape mercy killed him
@karlrovey
@karlrovey 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mehwhatevr Good point, though you could argue that he had been dying that entire year.
@ericb8241
@ericb8241 2 жыл бұрын
More of an impact than easily being able to body Voldemort once Harry cleared all the horcruxes lol?
@Mehwhatevr
@Mehwhatevr 2 жыл бұрын
@@karlrovey I’m saying his death was imminent. He would have died that night. His pleading for Severus and all of the other details… that’s how I interpret that night. It was no longer a matter of when, but how much suffering
@ashersharol
@ashersharol 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought the reason behind Dumbledore putting on the ring was contrived. It doesn't really match up with his discerning character. He knew he was hunting for a horcrux and that Voldy inevitably placed a curse on each of them, it doesn't follow that he would forget that even for a second.
@bronzin1445
@bronzin1445 2 жыл бұрын
This is just me grasping at straws but it may have been the only way to separate the Resurrection Stone from the actual Ring itself. Horcruxes always came with a catch. The locket for example could only be retrieved if one was to drink the deadly potion and endure it all the way through.
@burundianfamily2982
@burundianfamily2982 2 жыл бұрын
not if your face to face with something you beileve could bring back loved ones from the dead and we know dumbledore has harberd the guilt of his sisters death ever since that duel in godrics hallow
@BjornV1994
@BjornV1994 2 жыл бұрын
I think he knew it but he either believed he would have had time enough or would be able to tank the curse. Or maybe he didn't even care what happened to him in the moment. With the ring a quest of nearly a century had come to an end and he wanted to see his family back so desperately, he simply couldn't resist the appeal (we also don't know if the ring, the resurrection stone doesn't have extra magical pull to those who are in desperate need of seeing their deceased loved ones. Harry had come to terms with almost every loss in his life but Dumbledore never did. And I think that's the idea here. It was too good to be true and even discerning men have their moments of weakness.
@ashersharol
@ashersharol 2 жыл бұрын
@@bronzin1445 No, you're not grasping at straws at all. This is what I thought for many years...that actually wearing the ring was a part of the process of destroying the horcrux, but it seems this is not the case. In some ways the ring was one of the easiest to dispose of (by stabbing it with the basilisk fang). Unless I'm missing something.
@ashersharol
@ashersharol 2 жыл бұрын
@@burundianfamily2982 I know, but still. I just don't buy the great Dumbledore falling for that. It does makes sense on some level... but not for Dumbledore.
@basedeltazero6446
@basedeltazero6446 2 жыл бұрын
This is a little off topic but, I was re reading Prisoner of Azkaban and something occurred to me. In chapter 19 when snape reveals himself in the shrieking shack, he doesn’t believe the store Sirius or lupin are telling. Since he was a double agent and one of Voldemorts closest Allies, why didn’t he know about Peter being the secret keeper. Wouldn’t he know wormtail was a spy and still alive? Maybe I’m overthinking it
@faysholisticways2478
@faysholisticways2478 2 жыл бұрын
He wasn't a double agent until after her death.
@user-pm7pw1tl3t
@user-pm7pw1tl3t 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe if snape listend to sirus and lupins story instead of there newly opend store he would have
@RaymondBCrisp
@RaymondBCrisp 2 жыл бұрын
What always puzzled me is why the cursed hand or his arm couldn't be amputated. If the curse was indeed confined to Dumbledore's hand, seems that should have worked.
@uchihasasoritachi6402
@uchihasasoritachi6402 Жыл бұрын
True that's my total question it's basic magic rules it's not easy because you need to unite the curse maker and the cursed itself just like Harry Potter and Voldemort the caster should perform a unity spell so that he can get Dumbledores power but the caster did not do it because he know that Dumbledore is so powerful that the unification of power will be broken easily and the cursed will be lifted. Am just wondering who made that curse?
@Taylor.....
@Taylor..... Жыл бұрын
The plot needed him to die and jk Rowling's isn't above lazy writing look no farther than the lack of development of the 4 houses everyone good ends up in Gryffindor everyone bad in syltherine and everyone irrelevant in the other houses hagrid is a hard worker but is in Gryffindor not Hufflepuff Hermione is super intelligent and just cares about studies not looking for courageous heroics and is actually opposed in the first book but again in Gryffindor instead of raven claw despite that being a better fit the plot and writing convenience always took precedence over in world lore or rules at the detriment of the story in many situations which is fine after the success of the first book I think jk got massively rushed by the demand of the series
@MrMooAndMoonSquirrelToo
@MrMooAndMoonSquirrelToo Жыл бұрын
@@Taylor..... One only needs to look at The Cursed Child to know J. K. Rowling has no qualms about using lazy writing. Reading that “screenplay” felt like reading a bad fanfiction.
@Taylor.....
@Taylor..... Жыл бұрын
@@MrMooAndMoonSquirrelToo one slight problem jk Rowling's didn't write cursed child it it is a fanfiction it was written by 2 dudes jack and John with Rowling's half hearted approval ofc but yes it's God awful I've read it not seen the play tho
@MrMooAndMoonSquirrelToo
@MrMooAndMoonSquirrelToo Жыл бұрын
@@Taylor..... oh Lmao. My bad. I guess the cat is out of the bag. I have no idea what I’m talking about. Lol
@jarodsmith6574
@jarodsmith6574 2 жыл бұрын
I have a bit of a different theory. What if it was an inverse amplification of the resurrection stone? So instead of bringing things back to life, it killed the wearer? And being that Voldemort loved pain, he made it so that way it was done slowly and painfully (should you have a way to slow it down)
@bobmyers7030
@bobmyers7030 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a very Voldy thing to do, but I don't think he had any idea what it really was or how it worked.
@latech7671
@latech7671 2 жыл бұрын
Would be really interesting BUT the Problem with that is, that Voldemort placed the spell and if he inverted the stones power, he needed to know about it in the first place, which we know he did not during that point in time.
@EdolasMystogan
@EdolasMystogan 2 жыл бұрын
Voldy didnt know nor care about the resurrection stone. He really only cared about the wand, which he learned about Much later.
@voxorox
@voxorox 2 жыл бұрын
But part of him ended up INSIDE it, magically bound to it. And we've seen that horcruxes will defend themselves viciously. That part of his soul might have learned about its magic, and used the stone to defend itself when Dumbledore tried to put it on.
@luigicappetta348
@luigicappetta348 2 жыл бұрын
That's a very good theory as well.
@Nogdog945
@Nogdog945 2 жыл бұрын
My own personal theory in the matter of spellcraft roots it’s way into other fantasy type shows movies or novel series that involve similar means. In laments terms, imagination. Your innate magical affinity while mentally envisioning what you desire and pairing both that creates the desired outcome. However this is dangerous, as your imagination has no limits beyond what yourself can imagine but if you put too much magical power behind it, it will overwhelm you and very well could be deadly. It’s all in the matter of willpower. If your mind is strong enough and well practiced enough in the basic arts and already having a pre-existing high affinity for magic. Spellcrafting can be something that comes naturally but it still requires you to work out this new spell and thoroughly document how it’s procedure is meant to be executed so it doesn’t backfire. This all a shot in the dark and I could be way off but it’s my own personal theory on the matter and one that’s always stuck with me in whatever I’ve explored, how little of the actual process of creation of such things is explained or documented if at all. I know it takes the the more mystical aspects but I find it also enriches it just as much.
@PaletteBegonia
@PaletteBegonia 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what would of happened too Tom had he actually been the DADA teacher..? 🤷🏽‍♂️
@juu4503
@juu4503 2 жыл бұрын
I think he'd be a mix of snape and moody
@paulyb7267
@paulyb7267 2 жыл бұрын
Can you make this video: "How did the Death Eaters react to the events in Godrics Hollow"?
@limiv5272
@limiv5272 2 жыл бұрын
Do you mean on christmas in DH? If so, I'm not even sure they'd know. Only Nagini was there
@paulyb7267
@paulyb7267 2 жыл бұрын
@@limiv5272 No, but in 1981.
@limiv5272
@limiv5272 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulyb7267 Oh. Well we know how the Lestranges and Crouch Jr reacted - by torturing the Longbottoms in the hopes of finding out where Voldemort is. Not sure if there's info on anyone else.
@michaelbindner9883
@michaelbindner9883 2 жыл бұрын
Dementor creation. Had Albus been killed by the curse, either quickly or slowly, he would have become a Dementor.
@nikicarrie4071
@nikicarrie4071 Жыл бұрын
Explain more please
@kevinhorn4119
@kevinhorn4119 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe Dumbledore should have went to the muggle doctors to have the hand removed.😄
@LaurinGarcia
@LaurinGarcia Жыл бұрын
I have a possible theory of what curse it was that Voldemort put on the Slytherin ring with Resurrection Stone. I could be very dead wrong (no pun intended) but maybe the curse was turning Dumbledore into an inferi. Voldemort was such an expert in making them. He made tons in the cave where Dumbledore and Harry found the fake Slytherin locket. I wonder if he place a curse on the ring that had the Deathly Hallow stone that brought back the dead and defiled it by turning anyone who wore the ring into an inferi. It indeed would have been a fate worse than death itself. And if that were the case then it makes sense why Dumbledore wanted Snape to end his life before the transformation would become complete. 💍💀
@LordJDB
@LordJDB Жыл бұрын
I always wonderd why Dumbledore couldn't cut his hand off with the gryfonder sword in order to stop the curse from spreading
@animeguygaming4803
@animeguygaming4803 2 жыл бұрын
I be Believe that Luna is an animagus with that she turns into a wolf and her mum was the one trying to break the animagus curse and it backfired idk
@tektrixter
@tektrixter 2 жыл бұрын
I think you mean maledictus (like Nagini), not animagus (like the Marauders).
@animeguygaming4803
@animeguygaming4803 2 жыл бұрын
@@tektrixter that’s the one thank you bro
@animeguygaming4803
@animeguygaming4803 2 жыл бұрын
@@tektrixter I got them mixed round been watching to many theories recently haha
@brbrbuckeye
@brbrbuckeye 2 жыл бұрын
How much time elapsed between then and when Voldemort was defeated?
@robertmartin4449
@robertmartin4449 2 жыл бұрын
If Snape was able to restrict the curse to Dumbledores hand, I wonder if he would have been able to survive if they just removed his hand. Wormtail got a new hand pretty easily. Did Dumbledore have to die?
@cromaaditya4921
@cromaaditya4921 2 жыл бұрын
Good question
@alyssakaminski1383
@alyssakaminski1383 2 жыл бұрын
I tought that the curse was in the blood but I don't know what made me think that, I can't remember it it was mentioned specifically in books or not.
@lucasferreira2073
@lucasferreira2073 2 жыл бұрын
I think magic infections don't work the same way regular infections do.. I think it would simply go to his other hand or worse. Furthermore, Dumbledore is a genius, Snape is another one, and one of if not the most Gifted Potions master, which means he was kinda of a good healer aswell. If cutting Dumbledore's hand off could save him, he would've done that. Remember Snape would do anything not to go through with Dumbledore plan.
@robertmartin4449
@robertmartin4449 2 жыл бұрын
@@lucasferreira2073 I think Dumbledore knew he had to die for Harry to “master death”. Harry had to be alone and he had to except and let himself get killed by Voldemort to kill the Horcrux within him. I’ve always thought Dumbledore could have done something to save himself from that curse. He just let himself die “for the greater good”.
@lucasferreira2073
@lucasferreira2073 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertmartin4449 It could be, but it still seems too simple to get rid of a Curse of that level that easily... Specially one made by the Dark Lord himself... I would say that he did let himself die, but it wouldn't make a difference if he didn't because the curse was already a death sentence... It would only prolong the inevitable.
@EdolasMystogan
@EdolasMystogan 2 жыл бұрын
Okay but what if you just chopped Dumbledore's cursed arm, where the "curse was contained" already with the help of Snape? It was basically like a disease spreading from his finger. Good ol amputation, before you resign completely?
@jonathanpayne4772
@jonathanpayne4772 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! I’d love to see your take on “What if Harry asked Cho to the Yule Ball first?” and if their relationship began then, if Cedric would be jealous and not tell Harry the egg hint, and whether the relationship could have lasted long given the events of Order of the Phoenix with Marietta ratting out the DA, or if Harry would still develop feelings for Ginny if he was still with Cho in his sixth year.
@JosephRailwayStudios2000
@JosephRailwayStudios2000 2 жыл бұрын
Good idea and maybe both Cho and Harry ended up together?
@Morphenius
@Morphenius 2 жыл бұрын
Why didn't Snape & Dumbledore just cut off the hand that had the curse once they slowed the curse's spread?
@ryotv1747
@ryotv1747 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, and then used magic to create a hand like Voldemort did with Womrtail like these smart people didn't think of that? There's no way. I think it was for plots sake that he died. But realistically, I believe Snape would have amputated the hand, and then Dumbledore would have magicked back a hand.
@dustingaethje1332
@dustingaethje1332 2 жыл бұрын
I think that the curse would have likely remained on his body regardless
@georgiosrinakakis934
@georgiosrinakakis934 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody knows the curse, not even Rowling..
@qpghostqp9551
@qpghostqp9551 2 жыл бұрын
I was a fan of yours until you became a coward and turned off the comments on the video where you theorize that harry should be with Hermione
@hawkeyesgamer9732
@hawkeyesgamer9732 2 жыл бұрын
I have though about this I think Snape knew what dumbeldor was up too after this he would have put 2 and 2 together and knew that it was a horcrucks. He must have known by then
@grandmyotismon
@grandmyotismon 2 жыл бұрын
it's nice the chanel achknowledges the events of hogwarts mystery game as it does introduce intresting charecters and includedds elements that are nice to see in the series including spell creation. Through the creation of spells like flipendo maxima are likely easy level spells to create relitive to the overall difficulty of the process, as it's at the end of the day a buff to the existing spells power.
@foppa475
@foppa475 2 жыл бұрын
I love the background ambience, it gives you such a mysterious yet exiting feeling
@doyle_the_warlock
@doyle_the_warlock 2 жыл бұрын
How do you know was Voldemort made up this curse on the ring & not same other witch or wizard come up with this curse?
@lxena8033
@lxena8033 2 жыл бұрын
Because Morphine was wearing the ring when Voldemort visited him, and Voldemort himself wore it for a short time before he turned it into a horcrux. Harry saw this in Slughorn's memory. If it had already been cursed, no one would have been wearing it. Also, Marvolo (Voldemort's grandfather) never took it off, and wore it all the time. ( See the half blood prince book)
@tacticaldroidtx22
@tacticaldroidtx22 2 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to have a video about how new spells are made.
@bobbynolastname3119
@bobbynolastname3119 2 жыл бұрын
couldnt dumbledore just amputate his hand to get rid of the curse?
@somewhatstrange2097
@somewhatstrange2097 2 жыл бұрын
It's awfully lucky Voldemort didn't think to put that exact same curse on any of the other horcruxes, all the protagonists would have died if he had.
@pittste88
@pittste88 2 жыл бұрын
I think he tried putting it one in a way for immortality, just my thought don't really have any evidence for it other than he's lust for power
@robertwinter1280
@robertwinter1280 2 жыл бұрын
This made me have a question about gryffindor’s sword. Since it was imbibed with basilisk venom, would a simple cut from the sword kill you?
@vermiciousknid2456
@vermiciousknid2456 2 жыл бұрын
Good question 🤔
@bronzin1445
@bronzin1445 2 жыл бұрын
Most likely. In the case of the sword, chamber of secrets was both a blessing and a curse. The Basilisk venom essentially strengthened the sword 10 fold, hence why it can easily destroy horcruxes though, you’ll likely die a slow and painful death should it cut you
@omegagamer4124
@omegagamer4124 2 жыл бұрын
Possibly but when the basalisk bit Harry he didn't die on the spot so if the sword did cut you you could possibly get cured before you die
@matyaskoranda3700
@matyaskoranda3700 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Thats the reason it is capable of destroying horcruxes at all.
@animeguygaming4803
@animeguygaming4803 2 жыл бұрын
Keep it up bro 😎
@matchesmalone5000
@matchesmalone5000 2 жыл бұрын
Small correction: Tom Riddle was not born out of wedlock. When someone is born out of wedlock it means that the parents weren't married when the child was born. However Tom Riddle Sr did marry Merope Gaunt when he was in the influence of the love potion she gave him. No marridge has ever raised mor eyebrowns.
@darthseverus89
@darthseverus89 2 жыл бұрын
Third congratulations on making your content onto Spotify
@RyanStonedonCanadianGaming
@RyanStonedonCanadianGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic beasts made me forget we were watching a dead guy...
@ralfhtg1056
@ralfhtg1056 Жыл бұрын
I will NEVER understand WHY on earth the german translators changed names! They changed Marvolo Gaunt into Vorlost Gaunt! MAKES NO SENSE!
@LoboPal
@LoboPal Жыл бұрын
What if the curse was cast with parsletongue, and the counter curse would be in parsletongue (idk how to spell) too possibly
@makaihana975
@makaihana975 2 жыл бұрын
Le gasp! It has just hit me that at some point Dumbledore would have obtained all 3 deathly Hallows
@jorgecarbajal8076
@jorgecarbajal8076 2 жыл бұрын
The curse on Marvolo Gaunt’s ring might not have an official name, but its deadly effects on Dumbledore are well-known. Even if Snape didn’t kill Dumbledore, the curse would’ve eventually killed him anyway.
@tagyoureit4593
@tagyoureit4593 2 жыл бұрын
Great vids, keep em up! Have you ever done a what if Dumbledore never put on the ring?
@sergeyoneill1344
@sergeyoneill1344 Жыл бұрын
But, it IS possible! Snape say in DH, 'Why had you not summoned me eariler. We could have found a solution. Buy you more time'! Had it not been these two men discussing it. I would probably have followed your reasoning. But, Dumbledore pushed all magic, including the dark arts; he just didn't follow down that path. Snape, as we see in the story and by yours and manys admittance; is a rising star. By the opening of P.S. he has plegded to Dumbledore. By the end of P.S. is position is secure. I'm sure Dumbledore had his doubts. However, Snape protected Harry and the Stone. He needn't do either. He's is Dumbledore's second in command and by the beginning of DH is Voldemort's by is placing at the table in Malfoy Manor. Snape was able to update Advanced Potion Making. A book that hadn't been updated for 30 plus years. James and Sirius with their wealth would have been able to buy the best copies. Which were by the same author. Yet, its the same book the Harry uses in 1997! Textbooks are constantly updated. Why hasn't APM been updated since Snape was at school?! Snape is Master Potionier. I only put Slughorn above him, do to his age and experience. But, Slughorn also isn't able to recognise Snape's work through Harry? Yes, when Snape says it he is distraught. But, he is practical enough to state that it is possible. Something, that Dumbledore doesn't outright deny. Update: Yes, Harry, gets a new copy but we don't know what it contains
@gagankhosla
@gagankhosla Жыл бұрын
So JK Rowling did clarify a few things about this. The initial plan was that Dumbledore was going to ask Severus Snape to kill him and then use the resurrection stone to call himself back. Dumbledore would then use the invisibility clock, go to Voldemort's house (who is sleeping happily thinking that Dumbledore is dead), break his wand and then curse his pecker until he reveals all the Horcruxes. Dumbledore would then destroy the horcrux, bring Harry to Voldy (who is still in pain and holding his pecker) and ask them to sort it out. Dumbledore then realised that the greasy haired lover would abandon the plan and bring Lilly back instead because "Always".
@ColinJohnson-hb3jf
@ColinJohnson-hb3jf 8 ай бұрын
I see no reason to think that the curse on the ring was handmade by Voldy. It could simply have been a rare, little-known curse that he found in some moldy old book. Further, we don't really know what it would do in the short term because we only see it in action AFTER Dumby returns to Hogwarts, which means he had already slowed it's spread and effects. What I'm curious about is what the "golden potion" that Snape pours down Dumby's throat is. The only golden potion we know of is Felix, but that's clearly not the potion used here.
@dissect123
@dissect123 2 жыл бұрын
If the curse was confined to one hand, could Dumbledore have been saved by amputating the affected hand?
@bronzin1445
@bronzin1445 2 жыл бұрын
Technically yes but it wouldn’t have mattered. If the curse didn’t kill him, then Snape would have on his behest to ensure that Draco didn’t carry that weight and guilt on his shoulders
@dissect123
@dissect123 2 жыл бұрын
@@bronzin1445 In the end of course not but that is like saying everyone dies eventually so you might as well get cursed since it does not matter. At the point where Snape and Dumbledore were analyzing the curse they should have come to the conclusion that an amputation was the best and safest choice. I attribute the fact that it wasn’t brought up to bad writing, it is a plot hole.
@nhansen197
@nhansen197 6 ай бұрын
I'm inclined to think that the curse on Dumbledore's hand was a sort of magical form of gangrene. The flesh becomes necrotic, dies, and the results can not be reversed. It can be slowed, even stopped, but the damage can not be reversed. The cure was in the action Dumbledore took to destroy the ring. If he wanted to live he needed to hack off his hand. But why save himself when he could martyr himself and frame it as saving Draco?
@prabkunvar10
@prabkunvar10 Жыл бұрын
Good ol' dumbeldore wasn't just the strongest wizard of just HIS ERA if im not wrong its been confirmed that dumbeldore was the strongest wizard of *ALL* *TIME*
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