What did pubs look like 10 years ago?

[@randomguy2108]

a moment of silence for those who still remember legion as a new hero in Dota 2

[@haykalhaykal920]

I even remember Tresdin is a new hero in DotA 1

[@monviestomicollo6913]

A moment of Courage too

[@mahatmasloth6543]

I remember techies as a new hero in dota 2

[@kikomihov007]

I play since before tuskar and phoenix where released dota 1

[@radendianitazefanyaputri4669]

The Random Bald Guy?

[@nathanieljames8677]

I remember those days when jungling with Bloodseeker, cutting one tree so that you'd only face one neutral creep at a time😂

[@randomesteven3935]

You could do the same with Legion and then get blink by min 7. Usually it's early enough to start a gank off with friends and roam.

[@ojas51]

You can still do that.

[@abn0rmal]

Ursa did that, too!

[@kylipls]

its not as effective as necro lvl 1 ancient jungle with heartstop xd

[@akh4n]

@@kylipls yeah that shit was nuts

[@Kravlock]

Okay hear me out Jenkins. This is a great chance for a new series: Herald History. You get to watch how people just sucked in different patches over the years Think about it. There's over a decade worth of content. I'd watch the shit out it

[@ClearlyKillingIt]

no offense but it isn't visually as appealing to watch as current gameplay.

[@TomDytorn]

@@ClearlyKillingIt nostalgia plays an important role

[@VasiliyOgniov]

@@ClearlyKillingIt Well, meta changes constantly so we would be able to see how it progressed and look at the some of the cancerous builds throughout the time. Like, slice of ancient people's lives

[@Puzzl3man]

I'd watch you. Sleeping.

[@orlandoactab3034]

@@ClearlyKillingIt archons nowadays play like low divine before, the game has changed significantly

[@perpyvanitas3749]

Old Dota 2 graphics just feels good and nostalgic. Damn I started playing when LC was just released and I was 11.

[@haydennielsen7989]

also didn't realize how much bigger the heros are now, its wild

[@alexworm1707]

@@haydennielsen7989 the map was much more empty spaces.

[@NomadUrpagi]

Is that you 23savage

[@LeSimpLetv]

the shading looked much better

[@ElaClips]

Sheez, i was 20 when LC was released, now i feel old

[@HumbleBookworm]

Wow. 8 years. Legion is in game for at least 8 years already. What am I doing with my life? Where did those 8 years go?

[@ark7395]

It went to Legion 🤣

[@cfilorvyls457]

I remember playing legion when HE was just out in wc3 dota. Feels like a fucking boomer now.

[@taivanpurevsuren6099]

you jungle a lot?

[@vermouthsavage4750]

I remember when legion came out and I bought the arcana. That fuckin day. Now I'm a 30 year old father still in low mmr 😭😭😭😭😭

[@interactiondesign8mojo601]

you waste your time same like me

[@denisfedorovskyi3295]

Im shocked that there wasn't a jungling NP on a warding hills.

[@fauziraihan6458]

With mushroom cap

[@drowranger6654]

Ohhhh such good old days

[@jofelmorata]

Or mirana

[@drowranger6654]

@@jofelmorata or isnt she? *Vsauce theme*

[@shigerufan1]

And it extended to 'dusa cliff jungling too at one point

[@TheGlenn8]

I honestly miss the flexibility back then. You could have lanes like 2-1-2, 1-1-3, or a jungler.

[@mahguvnah7403]

I miss 1-2-2

[@yagoosidol6338]

real men do 0-5-0

[@cannypride8191]

@@yagoosidol6338 Wasn't that done by pros in a tournament for a quick match because one player had something else to do

[@KidTrigger]

You can still do jungles when I don’t get carry or mid I just go jungle like sniper or sf I usually lose though but I don’t care when my roles get stolen

[@dawre3124]

to be fair that was just because noone knew how to play the game compared to now

[@hablagubb17]

I just realized that I playing dota early 2014 and wow that was 8 years ago time just flies by i have alot of good memories from dota back then it was very fun for me when i was young (5 years almost 6) I still enjoy it to this day

[@eloelo6944]

A lot of time wasted fuck this game

[@hablagubb17]

@@eloelo6944 if you dont like dota why are you watching a dota video? 🤨

[@stfu-pi-ddk1ddo891]

@@hablagubb17 because he plays dota?

[@5lea]

I remember back then playing bloodseeker jungle because I was soo scared of playing in a lane as a carry. I had so many games as bs jungle and at some point I started to have positive impact. 65% winrate on almost 500 games!

[@omkargurme20]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sumitmann2181]

Damn I thought i had laughable fears, but you are clearly levels above me.

[@5lea]

@@sumitmann2181 well in my defense I will say that I don't play jungle in 2022 lol

[@antoniospappas2575]

Old BS was insanely imba. You could just stay in the lane and permasilence the enemy.

[@fridging]

"at one point i started to have positive impact" >65% wr homie u carried the fuck out of your teams

[@nanashi6507]

lmfao i remember playing lc jungle and dying to a red hellbear

[@illiil9052]

tomato too stronk

[@danne696]

What I remember from jungling back then was to cut some trees that allowed you to hide in the woods so only 1 creep could attack you at a time

[@swannaylin5338]

that's a nightmare for lc and u try to kill that?

[@MegaWizarrd]

Not many remember but tide was one of the best junglers at the time. You max anchor smash and you can clear small camp between 30 second and 60 second when was the second spawn(first spawn of jungle creeps was at 30 at the time).

[@AdamCDagg]

Man, even just the old beta menu before finding a game has me feeling nostalgic. The map feels so much bigger and more open. The game was so much simpler back then.

[@Neverknown95]

It's soo nostalgic to watching the "old" Dota 2 and the bad memories comes up. The ward 100 gold and sentries comes as pair 200 gold. The courier wasn't free and you should buy the wings for 150 gold after 10 min. The carry always last hited the enemy ward so you cannot get back your money. The pos 2 and pos 1 fights for the courier to deliver items. 🤣

[@abn0rmal]

Don't forget there was usually only 1 courier per TEAM

[@alZiiHardstylez]

>the carry last hit enemy ward so you cannot get back your money You just unlocked a memory I wish would have stayed locked.

[@alZiiHardstylez]

@@abn0rmal Not to mention that no one would ever buy it lmao.

[@thecipher8495]

@@abn0rmal man what an absolute nightmare that was, players today got it good. Flaming because of that was 100x worse

[@thecipher8495]

@@alZiiHardstylez i mostly bought the courier every match so I can play the "who purchased the fucking courier? yeah don't think so" card

[@dendyraven8952]

Somehow i really like the old dota 2 than now, the map feel so Darker and gritty the map felt detailed

[@Speedy2332]

Yeah I don't even remember that the map looked so...good

[@NormalHatter]

Cause it had better detail compared to new ones. Just look at the trees.

[@CharroArgentino]

Old map was entirely hand drawn, Valve then made tiles that would make balancing the map much more easier, otherwise they would have to draw the entire thing every time they released a new patch

[@dendyraven8952]

@@CharroArgentino that's interesting

[@---sq9lk]

Yeah it's nice but for example I can't clearly see at a first glance what tree I can chop or use tango on, because it all looks like a nice background

[@alisalehi773]

In 10 years someone is gonna sit and watch today's dota games and laugh their ass out of what we do. Maybe even someone will react to Jenkins reacting to 8 yo matches in 10 years

[@arturrizov7]

In 10 years there will be no dota

[@danngenesispilapil1384]

in 10 years, people will look at dota the same way they're looking at SC2 now.

[@oscarbear7498]

100 years in the future people will laugh at this comment in their nuclear bunkers

[@parham1023]

@@arturrizov7 you never know XD

[@mareksicinski3726]

@@danngenesispilapil1384 Idk what specifically you mean, like how you look at it? Different people look at SC2 differently lol, there is plenty of ppl of various ages who play it in various ways at various levels, IEM Katowice world championship coming up in a little over a week or so

[@Novedrake]

God damn that valve thing about “we’ve changed dota 2 so much it’s basically dota 3” really hits hard in this video

[@sadpee7710]

i remember when they gave everyone individual couriers. now that was a huge change. i almost kind of miss fighting over control of the courier weirdly enough. it's almost nostalgic now

[@icata12345]

i remember when jungle and rosh were abusable as hell, you could do 4-5min rosh with ursa/lycan and jump run down lanes like a madman

[@imanhalimibinabdhakim1817]

this is the memories that i never forget at this time every game trying to beat roshan at lvl 1 with ursa, oh miss to spam meepo as well

[@HallsteinI]

I remember the days when Lycan would jungle, solo rosh 7 mins into the game, walk back into jungle and emerge with necronomicon, BKB, boots of travel and vlads at 20 mins and 5 mins later your ancient is gone.

[@patrick.bioengineer]

I was a lycan picker actually climbed from 2.8k to 4k with this those were the days

[@anirudhranjan2934]

There was no aether lens or shard at that time either. Aghs was actually good on Zues before a refresher because ulti would do 400 more dmg after refresher.

[@thecipher8495]

yeah nothing to build into

[@Doc_Fun]

It still wasn't good and most zeus guides of the time cautioned against it. Either go refresher or just build a utility item like hex.

[@thecipher8495]

@@Doc_Fun i guess people haven't gotten used to the guide area or there wasn't one to begin with

[@vill2980]

So nostalgic :P Its been 2ish years since I last played dota and I've already accumulated 10k hours of it since the early patches. This really brings me back!

[@vaughnandre12]

old dota back then, when i played drow, i would pick 3rd skill and stats till i get lvl 6. Even then i would only max 3rd skill and stats till possible hahaha

[@randomguy2108]

sadly that third skill no longer exists

[@ihsanulfikri9812]

@@randomguy2108 now is even better because it merge with ult.. U can still do that jut first skill stat and ult

[@genesises]

dude i had a drow who did something like this last week in ranked ;

[@bau9894]

my mmr skyrocketed to 3k when i discovered you can skip tony passive and just go ava toss stats max. i dont even rank up ulti until mid game, just rank 1 ulti with shadowblade at 10ish minutes can kill everything in the game and just snowball from that point onward

[@JCdizzog]

Is it just me or did the map textures used to look way better?

[@doomer704]

yeah and also the softer texture more eyes friendly for me,

[@dylanj.domachowski5369]

I second that notion.

[@LoliFanservice]

the world if we had the old map with the new hero designs

[@dendyraven8952]

Yea man i really like the vibes of the old map

[@CharroArgentino]

Old map was entirely hand drawn, but they couldn't keep redrawing the whole thing every time they needed to rebalance it, so they said they had to sacrifice graphics in order to balance it more easily (by making tiles that can be assembled together)

[@bigwig8657]

I remember a pro game where zsmj was going brown boots into radiance on pl, got the courier roared and his relic stolen, he farmed another and carried. He went over 8k gold before finishing any item. I think LuminousInverse has a lot of these super old pro game replays up. Another great one is when yyf forced the buyback cd with his storm spirit.

[@howarddyla9676]

Do you remember when he got 720 CS as dusa?

[@Nitidus]

Spectre needed that fast Radiance (faster than here) because it was the absolutely only way for her to farm competitively against Anti-Mage and PL. Without a fast Radiance, she was completely unusable at that time. The build started to change after the hero got changed over time, we weren't "stupid."

[@zysdota]

Nothing changed with spec when badman started going urn treads manta and radi later. Ofc spec was unusable if everyone was building starting + brown boots.

[@dokanyon]

everyone talking about the past how always everything was better. when in fact it's nostalgia. I play casually dota now but I think it's has become a lot better

[@howiieb]

I do not remember the heroes being this small compared to the map scenery and creeps. Is this bugged or is my memory bugged?

[@haydennielsen7989]

its wild but looks so much better in my opionon, battles used to be intense

[@timometsanoja9666]

My 8 year anniversary is coming up... I remember those jungle legions and man that was bad. I did try that a few times back in the day as well and it just didn't work... Now, Enigma jungle was a totally different story. With Midas and Iron Talon, well, let's just say the camps fell quickly with the eidolons...

[@Venomous-ex]

Facts man. Honestly iron talon midas made jungling very viable for couple of heroes back then. Could argue that made jungling a reasonable strat in pubs too. Fun times.

[@drowranger6654]

Back when Dota was an actual Dota

[@Sherudons]

To be fair.. I've done a few jungl lc's in my life, and when iron talon was a thing it was actually fairly fast, it's not the best but when the choice is 4 carry picks after you or a support that want's to leech and contest... Don't do it, while you could come out of the jungle at 7-8 min with a blink and murder people it just lets a lane free farm.

[@boki742]

Yeah, but this is before iron talon tho

[@Septimus_ii]

@@boki742 people were so bad at contesting lanes that it was still viable to jungle rather than support

[@wesleyigot1871]

may I know ur rank back when u were doing such?

[@Skyflakes05]

the average lc jungle player vs the chad iron talon axe jungler

[@Sherudons]

@@wesleyigot1871 not high bout 3k-4k.

[@GadBoDag]

This can't be eight years ago... I remember when Legion and Ana were added to the game... That couldn't have been... So long ago 😭

[@ihsanulfikri9812]

Future is now old man

[@callanrockslol]

I remember when Brewmaster was added a week after I started playing. I feel ancient.

[@MrLeva115]

Legion and who?

[@randomguy2108]

@@MrLeva115 I think he meant aba

[@MrLeva115]

@@callanrockslol your rank isn’t even ancient bro.

[@pudgethebutcher1305]

Damn I missed this ol' day where's pudge can denied himself

[@skymessiah1]

I know he can't now. But I still think he can.

[@1InVader1]

Awww man, those graphics look so beautiful. The map looked like an oil painting. There's clouds creating shadows on the ground, fog in the dire forest, lots of different vegetation in radiant forest, warm colors... I want this back.

[@abdul_dwiki]

Damn, i started playing Dota2 in 2016 and that was a few weeks before Underlord were released and even in that year LC jungle still a thing. What a shame after MK and the Talent feature releases it kinda went down, same as any other jungling hero.

[@RRaccoon99]

seeing that old clock with the sun and moon rotating along with the OLD Zeus model that looked like Mario threw me in for a nostalgia bomb. Good times, Good times.

[@MrGeorge01]

WE WANT MORE OF THIS NOSTALGIA PLEASE!

[@theclayman841]

8 years ago, I would often die to the clapping bears. 8 years later I would still die to the clapping bears

[@brukujinbrokujin7802]

I was one of the few beta tester of Dota2. At first there was tutorials and stuff. You play as dragon knight in RPG style. The first map have so much ambient sound like bird chirping, fountain sound is so loud that you can hear it, almost soothing. The first match i play is with ursa. Nobody knows how to play. I just walk up to them and kill them with right clicks. Good old days. Heroes choice is only 60 or something, half of what now.

[@TheInfectous]

there was still a lot of players even before dragon knight was even added. like 10-50 thousand.

[@mq8858]

Old dota has a much better aesthetic, but new dota definitely is cleaner and easier to read.

[@ThunderflySc2]

I just kinda miss the old look of the trees

[@muccafamumu]

talents, facets, teleports, roshan walking around, tormentors, etc. definitely wrong take.

[@mq8858]

@@muccafamumu you aren't very smart, are you? Read when the comment was written lol

[@Fredfredbug4]

Is it just me or did the game look better back then?

[@perpyvanitas3749]

It did. Now it's kinda cartoony and less sharp.

[@Katiora862]

6:31 Laughing at Zeus for buying Aghs for 200 plus dmg.. me back in dota 1 buying aghs for added design in my hero😃

[@My7hY]

Is there any other item to go on Zeus back then,no lens or octarine

[@trihexa3024]

yeah the dota 1 aghs effects were the shit

[@skymessiah1]

Mjölnir because ... lighting. Great on Razor for same reason.

[@W4r34rt]

@@My7hY Bloodstone I remember. No idea what else was standard on Zeus though. Item builds for int heroes changed so much with lens and kaya.

[@BudiTabootie]

ayy bro everybody buys assault cuirass, dope effect

[@Randoman590]

Anyone know how Jenkins managed to get the old client and view old games like this? I'd be interested to go back and look at some of my own replays from when I was first learning the game and dunk on my past self a bit.

[@Kapo44]

Unless you have replays downloaded on your pc from back then and have them saved as local files you can't. Valve deletes them from servers after a while. As for the client I'm sure you can find it online as a simple download

[@odealianaffairs9001]

To be fair bsj did Influence dota a lot. Back then aggro mechanics and controlling the map was never seen in lower MMR games. Then came bsj and other dota educators to explain all these things and i remember all my friends were learning from those. Good times.

[@alexhlavka8838]

The reason why specs winrate was so low is that the hero had no good way to farm and was weak in lane. The reason why people rushed relic was to have a way to farm. Plenty of wk-s rush midas nowadays too, but the hero farms way better with skeletons

[@digiquo8143]

Spectre today plays almost exactly the same as Spectre then, she's had no major reworks aside from her Aghs and Shard. The major difference is people learned rushing Radiance fucking sucks and it's way more consistent to build a Blademail or a Yasha or a Diffusal first. It's especially bad to rush Radiance if you're having a bad game because by the time you get the Radiance, you've already lost.

[@nezuko3175]

I didnt play dota 1 but this old dota 2 is so nostalgic, i got flashbacks about the invoker euls combo

[@sekki8425]

This is really weird considering it was 8 years ago lol

[@dudeistpreist5721]

I had alot of first bloods, rampages and curior kills. All got deleted in the tranfer and I was so pissed. Same with replays. Hundreds each are just gone.

[@mochammadfuadhakim7731]

The moment when you had to fight your teammate over a courire

[@DanielCodyBloedow]

Even though I core LC, this brings back so many traumatic emotions... Fucking jungle LC's... Bane of my pubs back in the day. I think that's what convinced me to actually learn the hero so that I could stop having to deal with people playing her jungle all the time.

[@suryakisku3895]

Man enigma radience was actual build in the past I remember whenever my team or enemy team picks enigma they will have radience build at late game

[@wikka3449]

the thing about zeus aghanim early game was cuz if i remember corectly, the Atr multiplier stat was not even more than 2.5K hp without taras for all heoes on Agi and Int heroes(about 1.5k damage if zeus ult combo near enemies for his passive skill). Can't say that was bad tho since with refresher, enemies gonna have about 30% if no one on the team have Pipe

[@andrewgrant5207]

I swear to God this was one of the matches I played, it is like déjà vu at its highest level.

[@redtsun67]

Back when Iron Talon first came out, I would jungle legion commander and had great success. Camps would spawn at 30 seconds and you could take the first hard camp before the 1 minute mark, then take the second one and medium camp in time to stack another hard camp, rotate back down to take the hard camp, medium camp, and then take the stacked hard camp. If you learned the proper rotations and played it correctly you could out level your mid and start taking ancients at level 5. You could get your first duel on mid super early and power spike from there. I won a lot of games this way. Even before that, I would jungle Roshan for that minute 6 Roshan snowball and my teammates loved it. I was absolutely heartbroken when they started nerfing jungle. Jungle gets a bad name because a lot of people just didn't know how to do it and would throw.

[@LukeBenc]

Jungle LC with Iron talon was the most gigachad thing to do. I miss it so much. Same for jungle Naix, BS, WK and Axe. Those were the times Dota was truly fun and enjoyable.

[@Childofbhaal]

DoTA back in the day was just simply better. I don’t know what it is. There’s so much to pinpoint but it’s like not even the same game anymore. The feel is so different. Shrines, talent tree, all these crazy new items, reworked neutrals and neutral items. Getting exp and gold at a much faster rate. Getting to level 6 took seemingly forever back in the day.

[@southwest4147]

2 years ago, I found a screenshot I’d taken from my first lc game. I went gloves of haste and no regen into Midas rush hard support. My carry was a troll warlord who went phase into helm into power treads, and we dominated the lane by having him man fight with press the attack. The funny thing is… we had a mid jakiro, and upon finding this screen shot 2 years ago, I laughed at THAT idea, more than anything. Now… mid jakiro is super strong and almost broken. Now… lc support is an idea the pros have been playing with for a few months. It’s strange how perspective changes over the years.

[@mlefun1303]

2 years ago is just 2020

[@southwest4147]

@@mlefun1303 the shot was from 2014, to give you an idea of the insanity going on at the time.

[@haydennielsen7989]

These were the days, started playing in 2013. This is the dota i remeber; full hud, solid colours, jungle was a thing. just seems more real.

[@jasv49]

Tbh I like a lot of the visuals of back then more. Especially the trees and other environment doodads

[@JonezBBQ]

Omg I started playing in 2014 and played for about a year and a half before quitting, and I remember shit like this happening all the time. Great times.

[@Eli-Green]

2:57 blademail or drum spectre was still a thing back then as well, and probably since wc3...

[@sliceoflife3611]

2014 i still played HON, i think i start dota in 2015

[@gilgamesh4710]

when everyone was bad that any build was legit

[@Reaching8]

What’s annoying is that I stopped playing in 2014-2015, so this is still recent to me. What separated a decent player from these people at the time, at least in terms of items, was understanding item interactions. Zeus is clearly just buying random items from a guide, but a way to run Zeus around this time would have been some combination of Aghs+Blink+Refresher with a Veil, and some means to get more mana. You’d be able to basically obliterate anyone for ~20-35 mins, and when the other team would hear the blink and the lightning crackling, it’d get to the point they’d basically run away and you could try to end before you completely fall off. Even if the game went to 40+ mins you could try and finish people off and take on a more supportive role. The problem is that the in game guides were often written in like 2011 or earlier and based on the WC3 or early DotA 2 meta, so people would buy items without knowing why. In 2013-14, bounty hunters were stacking battle fury without really knowing why, and everyone was buying vanguards until like 2016 even when they sucked. It was a super frustrating period, hopefully that’s been ironed out in recent patches.

[@vitor102]

I used to play techies in pubs at the time, i still remember making a stack of red mines and having my friend disconnect on top of them to bait people at the start of every game. Good times.

[@Princess_Narii]

So i know Jenkins is making fun of this. But as someone that plays dota for over 15 years, People not understanding dota 2, 8 years back is bullshit. Most of us already played dota for like 5 or more years back then. Cause people from dota 1 finally had a place where they finally felt at home. The meta was vastly different, the jungle creep payment was WAY WAY WAY higher. So getting early Iron Talon wasnt bad But i believe in this patch, they started nerfing jungle slowly already making iron talon more expensive. So instead you start off with the shield to gain some block chance and increases your survivability vastly. You could upgrade that shield in the Agi version i forgot the name that item is been removed for ages now. But this Legion had no clue of its proper rotations. It lost its pull through it lost all the money on the easy camp, It lost one of its valuable regen trying to do a pull through... But back then going jungle frees up a extra single player lane and getting an extra farmed somewhat core out of the game. It wasn't a requirement but it WAS one of the possible options especially in pubs. The meta was VASTLY different then it is now, and thus people started playing differently. this wasn't new either, I have played lots of jungle back in dota 1 too. Because the jungle was so valuable Spectre getting 1st item Radiance as a proper farming item wasn't weird or bad Sacred relic wasn't actually too bad to farm, And the damage boost from that helped you to get the rest of the items rather quickly. And PROS were doing this too back then, so this was definitely not awful because of the amount of gold you get from the jungle camps Also sidenote here: we used to call it Foresting back in dota 1, League changed that to Jungling... Which makes sense cause in dota its been a forest while in league it is a jungle... Btw all this above doesnt mean that the players in that game werent god awfull tho xD

[@eboyce24]

Poor man's shield i think

[@Sherudons]

Phase and drums, those were the two items every radiance carry would get first if they had a brain, midas and radiance rush was the I don't have a team mate for 40 min build.

[@Coaltergeist]

I wish I could dig my old 2012 replays up. Those would be hilarious

[@pasha956]

For those who remember legion was a guy in dota 1 , btw this is standard game where people fought entire game instead of current meta that is farm farm till you succeed .

[@amanghin]

People have gotten better, but man if I had to pick between how playing the game feels now and how it felt back then, heck just send me back to 2014.

[@d2sptzltz]

I tried necrophos jungle on ancients using heartstopper literally 10-12min aghs, and the aghs effect was to remove the buyback option.

[@PhoenixLabella]

The memories, insta lock Legion Jungle, Peruvian players "Jaja"ing in the chat, iron talon, 15 min unstoppable jungles... Ohh... The old times.

[@TimJBucci]

I miss that map layout.

[@jabel242]

I remember reaching 4.1K mmr in Dota 2 back then in 2016 mainly rotating as a pos 4/5 with CM / Undying / Tusk /Elder Titan - that was pretty high rank that time already and the best I could muster. Was a beta player so seeing this is pretty nostalgic. I got burned out at 4.5k hours and retired from the game in 2017 with life catching up. Still enjoy watching TI but man the game is so different now than it used to be - in a good way. Also pubs be crazy nuts as ppl were figuring out the game. Mind you, techies wasn't in the game yet in 2014. Saw some weird shit like support Gyro w/ Euls/Mek/drums, 4 maelstrom aghs bfury Juggernaught, jungle dagon Bloodseeker, Axe & Lich mid, support Invoker, with variations on laning: standard 2/1/2 or 1-1-3, 1-1-2 w/ jungler, 1-1-2 roaming support, 1-1-1 & 2 fucking junglers but one hero is a NP farming in enemy jungle

[@xcheesyxbaconx]

I remember going Jungle Medusa and farming ancients from a safe spot on this map. Good times.

[@LetitbeDjeno]

Jesus this brings back memories... Lanes used to be sooo widerrr

[@jujujoestar9882]

Holy shit, this video brought back so many repressed memories i didn't know I had.

[@dimascatur5787]

That Spectre was absolutely what im doin with the hero for the 1st time i play it, in 2017 lol

[@Lazris59]

Can't believe how different it is. I just came back after a year off and wow it's changed a lot. Talent trees and the neutral items are big ones. Also, I was both a legion jungler once (and hated it) and a enigma jungler. I ALSO went that spectre build a lot and my friends always complained that spectre sucked because she didn't do anything until radiance.... maybe I was that useless piece of shit back then lol

[@Lazris59]

Oh damn, I am a dinosaur. I remember the butterfly active. Was kind of confused why it wasn't a thing when I fight bought it 2 weeks ago. Also the roshan pit down near radiant safe. Oh man, this game screams me and my buddies playing dota late at night in like 2015

[@karp_4902]

A spectre with sacred relic at 15 minutes was pretty much a GG back then, im pretty sure latest timings you could get away with where around 22 min rad

[@johnb.8986]

True i remember my 1st game as Spe going Radiance like 28 minutes lmao

[@chrisxcrozz5186]

OMG this brings back trolly memories. Father Jenkins busting out the Ye Olde Days of Ye Olde Dota in the Ye Olde Client

[@reshad1123]

Honestly I can't get over how amazing the trees used to look in the jg

[@TheSteamyPickle]

Look at how wide the map lanes are. Man remember these days. Brutal.

[@chb_dlx]

I got out of Archon (2k mmr) by playing LC at mid/off when most of the players on this rank would farm her jungle back on this patch. Her potential was so wasted back then because of how LC could dominate mid with her first for nukes or going for the generic 2nd-3rd skill build when facing tougher mid opponents.

[@Toni_560]

Somehow this looks so cool. Heroes seem smaller, the map looks gritty (and not so cartoony also with toon characters like Dawnbreaker, hoodwink and Marci). Jungle was at least viable, now it's just brawling brawling brawling. Also look how fragile heroes were. Now everyone has 2000 Hp at level 13 with only few items

[@idc731]

It was a better time. There is a community who plays on the last good patch 6.84

[@CharroArgentino]

You guys are delusional if you think the game would be as snail paced as back then if the patch was still the same. Heroes nowadays get not only higher GPM but higher CS than before while also fighting more, and that's because players are MUCH more efficient at it, not because the patch forces you to brawl. If the patch was the same, the meta would be completely different.

[@davidemelia6296]

@@idc731 LOL a community of scrubs who had to voluntarily put themselves in a smaller pool of players because they can't hack ranked matches any more, if they ever could 🤣

[@davidemelia6296]

And if you miss jungling as a set role, where some moron would disappear into the woods and not come out until your team was already losing or winning without them, then you were probably the one who was forcing games into 5v4 situations like that.

[@TheInfectous]

@@CharroArgentino I mean there was hidden mmr even before mmr. There were lobbies where carries were expected to rarely miss last hits, same with mids, offlanes were expected to not feed. Also the games often times weren't snail paced there was plenty of 1 kill/min or higher. It's really impossible to say what the end state (if there is one even) would ever be for any given patch. Games with zero patches (like ssbm) are still having meta developments >20 years later. Could have brawls, could be extremely passive.

[@ryou9547]

I always had 3 clarities, a salve, and quell when jungling back in the days

[@Venomous-ex]

What hit me the most was the fact that the lane has stairs back then

[@zyanidectrljrd2092]

This is, I think the time when You pick Sven,get points to his attributes and Cleave only,farm from min 1 to 12,and get a 100 CS or more,then 20 mins later you almost full all your slots,Dagger,AS,Daeda,BkB,Satanic, Treads or Travel at mins 40 onwards,the good old days indeed

[@o6m6f6g6]

Good old days were when Dedalus was called Buriza

[@shlongbongchewy]

This is crazy. I read the title and couldn't believe I started playing. Before this. But alas. November 2013 was my start

[@Ayahuasca98]

This brings me back to when jungling was a thing in DotA 2

[@neketsh4]

I have played dota2 while it was in beta (but in 2015 I stopped playing it till 2021). nostalgia

[@drlu3823]

I remember this version of the game when I started playing Dota 2 ... it was 2013 and was playing EarthShaker as my first character , I had no idea what I was doing , never played mmorpg games before not even similar ones , only racing and fps , my score was 0/42/5 like I died 42 times running into their towers , going to their fountain without knowing where I should go etc... it was a new experience and got a lot of shit talk on chat xD

[@arcanegxd97]

interesting story man :D oh by the way, let's not confuse genres like MMORPG and MOBA games. I mean such games like Dota 2 or League of Legends only relate to MOBA genre.

[@drlu3823]

@@arcanegxd97 sorry I meant Moba

[@arcanegxd97]

@@drlu3823 it's okay bro. just saying

[@jess_o]

Oh man, this brings me back

[@jonasblet]

I remember when I tried Dota 2 with this graphics and switched back to dota 1. And haven't played long time until dota 2, had graphics as it has now.

[@johnb.8986]

When i was a newbie (2015) LC was my main hero as jungle lmao , sadly i don´t play Dota anymore but for sure i will comeback

[@sanguinesurfer]

Iron talon was EIGHT years ago?? God, how time flies

[@FatalityScouter15]

ikr, what the actual fuck

[@W4r34rt]

Actually, Iron Talon came late 2015.

[@sanguinesurfer]

@@W4r34rt that’s what I thought

[@DJayHouseMix]

Well agha+refresh means 400more dmg. At that time it wasn't a talent tree , neutral items or other things. And if i'm not wrong , it's also decreasing his cd for ult.

[@roberteriksen6434]

If your team somehow ended up with Zeus mid and Spectre carry, you are thanking Gaben for being blessed with the free +25 mmr back then. All that's left required from you is actaully just participating in the game, just a little. It was by far the best pubstomping duo at the time. Still too much for LC jungle tho. And people played it SO much it was unbelievable.

[@cobbon3531]

I really miss a lot of what the game was back then, the slower pace gave more room for strategy, as well as the lack of new mechanics that while flashy, are mostly obnoxious (things like 3/4s doppleganger cooldown, or void just timewalking back with his new shard). Fights played out differently and I miss that style of game a lot. The additional mechanics that keep getting added to heros kits really ruins the gestalt balance the game had pre 7.00. RIP Also old map is gorgeous in comparision.

[@CaptainGaspacho]

Holy hell, I didn't remember heroes looking so small back then

[@alonh1809]

dude so cool to see dota like that... got the beta in 2012