What Do We Get Wrong About The Gender Pay Gap?

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[@Dummigame]

I always find the pay gap to be a very, very controversial topic What I find is, if you disagree with a narrative, people are quick to shut you up before you can even explain It sort of forces you to seem to have different views

[@Dummigame]

Same with how people are denying misandry If you ask me, misandry is a very real thing, and is just unnoticed or suppressed

[@notlxrd2]

"thanks for watching"? Nah, thank you for uploading such high quality content

[@makSyak]

fr

[@anjolatope-babalola2338]

With models its women status With sports its sexism Got it

[@PaponDSazon]

Should have asked her if she watched the WNBA

[@claff4573]

Way different topics

[@Randomperson-if4hy]

Women don’t even watch the WNBA either. The truth is, it’s boring to watch.

[@M_k-zi3tn]

@@Randomperson-if4hy true

[@anjolatope-babalola2338]

@@claff4573 How?

[@frang2023]

*The gap it does exist, but not for the reasons women say.*

[@rinokumera5907]

Whats the reason?

[@frang2023]

@@rinokumera5907 The careers they choose to study and then the jobs they do.

[@quangsonpham9229]

i dont think there's a gender pay gap, it's just that some people don't want to work:v

[@jalen_hollis]

@@quangsonpham9229 I think you could make that argument too. Some people are just lazy.

[@tank9432]

@@frang2023 and the ammount of hours worked

[@mustiz1898]

"Men statistically get payed more than women" "Do you currently have a job?" "No I don't" oml 💀

[@Samantha-jo7im]

Absolutely love your videos. As a women in STEM I can say that I get paid the exact same as my male counterparts. That being said, whether is biological or just a personal preference, they tend to take home more because they choose to work LOtS of overtime where I’d much prefer to work my 8 hours and go home. At the end of the day I don’t complain about a “pay gap” because it’s my choice and there is no way in hell I’m working 60 hr weeks 😂

[@neoglacius]

thats why they live less time in average , society demands them to earn more money in order to be seen as valid, nobody else would do it they cant resort to other options

[@SuperMagnum83]

What is also a factor is that men have to earn more than women to be attractive to women, if a man can't provide then he has no chance of attracting a desirable partner. Men don't have the biological privilege of being desirable solely on their sexuality, men have to bring far more to the table and a large part of that is income and status.

[@Rose-xm4og]

True. Lol In all honesty, I also wouldn’t want to work 60 hrs a week for the same wage 😅

[@brianburnside5949]

Most guys don't want to work lots of overtime, but society has essentially dictated that men are the primary provider and therefore they feel an obligation to do what they can to make life better for their family. And even if they don't have a family, they feel an obligation to prepare for one. Most women I know in stem have a husband that makes more than her and she feels no obligation to do more as their life doesn't really demand more.

[@acutelilmint8035]

This. Hours and position determine things. But 2 people of the same position get paid the same. But the one that takes longer hours or shifts will get more money

[@lilslice1958]

6:52 - That blew me away when she claimed the NBA gets more views than the WNBA because of sexism... wtf?? It's literally just because it's better basketball. Some ppl do anything to claim moral high ground.

[@notlxrd2]

They literally explain why women gain less in certain industries and then blame it on sexism, they say that wnba gets less views but they don't watch it at all

[@ericlee5638]

It’s not even about who’s ‘better’. It just needs to entertain people because sports is an entertainment. The ‘best’ players aren’t often the highest paid either. Men watch nba because it’s more entertaining than wnba. Women should start watching wnba instead of complaining that men aren’t watch wnba.

[@retropyro]

Should have asked her to name 3 WNBA players or teams.

[@dafreak117]

If woman wanted to fix the WNBA they just have to go to games, buy the jerseys, and watch the game streams. They won't though, because the games are mediocre at best.

[@asliceofloaf1984]

It isn't even that it's nessecarily better, it's just that dudes support their favorite male teams, but women literally don't care about women's sports

[@brettanderson2849]

My wife and I both graduated college with a degree in Mechanical Engineering the same year. My GPA was .5 points better than her, and I passed the FE Exam while she didn't take it. Right out of college we applied for the same job, and they hired my wife. 3 years later, we both have engineering jobs, make about the same, and she is in line to be Engineering Manager at her company in the next couple months. I don't think you can say that there is a real wage gap when you compare apples to apples, which is incredibly hard to do. It is nearly impossible to get a statistically significant number of apples to apples comparisons for each distinct industry, region, and job title.

[@brobob52]

When u say u make about the same does that mean she makes around a dollar more? Or u?

[@Rubrick23.]

Clearly she makes more.

[@brettanderson2849]

I make < 1K more than her, but she will make a lot more than me when she becomes Engineering Manager

[@3self]

Was it hard to find a job with your ME degree? I’m looking into going back to school to finish my degree. I’m 24 and I just feel like it too late for me to get my ME degree

[@brettanderson2849]

@@3self not too terrible, it was harder for us being we don’t like big cities, so it took a little while to find 2 ME jobs within a 30min radius of a small town (

[@ahetzel9054]

As a male who waited tables in college, female waitresses made 2-3 times more than me in a single night. Id leave with 100-150 for the night and some girls would leave with 300-400 a night. I worked twice as hard for half the pay..

[@LukeSly91]

That's just your male privilege and you just don't see it

[@Joseph_Robinette_Biden_Jr.1]

@@LukeSly91 what?

[@denzelhill9815]

HA you know why though right? Not your fault but customers typically tip women more than men. Maybe try a gay nightclub or different venue.

[@Aryan_Ahmed_Dsouza_Singh]

@@Joseph_Robinette_Biden_Jr.1 sarcasm

[@j23roa]

Women servers, bartenders, registered massage therapists, most hospitality industry positions women are preferred over men. Also in the same industry, attractive women are more preferred over unattractive women, regardless of skill and professionalism. I'm saying this as a chef for 20 years

[@CosmoRyan]

I am a high school teacher, and I always want to ask "why don't girls like physics," but a question like that would just get me in trouble. I teach AP Physics. Each year, I have a class of 20 - 25 students, and 2 - 3 of them are girls. I have many capable, intelligent girls in my regular physics classes (and in gernal, many of them have better academic habits than the guys), but something stops them from signing up for AP Physics. As far as race goes, my AP Physics class is very diverse and is a good representation student body, but I can't say the same for gender.

[@alexbstrother]

I applaud you for being able to keep a straight face without at least smiling at how dumb that answers are to your questions

[@Redditaurus]

'people watch men sports because sexism' how bout 'because top talent vs top *female* talent'

[@Joel-pl6lh]

"Where is the woman president" wtf does it have to do with the question lol

[@J03130]

he digs them without doing it is how he keeps a straight face. "do you have a job?" "no" "ok got it" he just called her an idiot for saying what she said without saying it lol

[@joao_13_08]

@@J03130 deserved💀

[@CottidaeSEA]

​@@bl00dlikewayne Most women simply aren't willing to elbow their way forward into those positions and the ones who are simply happen to be a minority, which means the likelihood of them succeeding is also lower, just based off odds alone. There's really nothing strange about it. Not to mention, women really haven't had as long to try for the position either. Similar reason as to why there aren't as many women in top positions. Although I won't deny the existence of sexism either, obviously makes a difference, but if just as many women tried, we'd see more women in top positions regardless of sexism.

[@britking]

I've worked in corporate America for about 20 years and work in senior management. This kind of discrimination does not exist. Let me repeat that. It does not exist. for the same job, the same performance, we want to incentivize the best candidate to perform--we don't care about gender at all. And it's ILLEGAL. I cannot emphasize that enough. Women take circumstances and impose their own biases to reach bad conclusions. The pay gap does not exist for the same level of performance in the same role. In fact, today, it's easier for women to get roles than for me because of all the backlash--I've seen more qualified men get turned down in favor of less qualified women. Women will complain that men are in more executive roles and that it isn't 50/50. But there's a lot more to that... and it has nothing to do with a pay gap for the same performance for the same role. The women's soccer thing is hilarious, because women's sport is boring and earns very little revenue.

[@thorH.]

Exactly. And if you could just pay women less for the same work, why would anyone want to hire men at all?

[@freedomandguns3231]

I mean, Ive worked for companies that were terrified of not giving breaks to the letter of the law because of how costly fines could be let alone risking pay discrimination and that was iust on a restaurant level (dont worry, Ive moved on to much better since then). The business exists to make money, not for some "brotherhood" to give men a leg up and keep women down. There is no money to be made doing that.

[@HEEHEEBOII]

You are right, I haven't worked in all type of corporate jobs but started my career in big 4 audit then moving to Ibanking I can say that even at the lower level it does not exist. Big 4 paid people equally shitty for the amount of hours we put in, and investment banking every is paid based on how many hours you put in and the number of projects you've been on. The salary banks offered were the same with VERY MINIMUM variations, what made it up was the bonus which was entirely based on our effects and time spent on job.

[@Elexor_]

exactly

[@mamo4753]

Studies repeatedly show that there's still about a 2% - 6% pay gap between men and women. If there was no pay gap, there likely wouldn't be very many studies coming out. Your industry might fairer for men and women, sure. Its naive to pretend like it doesn't exist just because you haven't seen it.

[@thesubman1883]

I chose to do biology in college. 63% of students graduating with a bachelors in biology or biotechnology in 2022 are women; that’s a 1.7 female to male ratio. I still see/hear about women in bio scholarships ALL THE TIME due to them being “underrepresented” in the field. It’s so blatant that it makes me sad and angry bc I’m losing opportunities. Also been told that I didn’t offer the diversity an internship was looking for (they hired 4 girls btw).

[@pondracek]

Not just biotech. Higher education in America and globally is trending toward 1.5 women for every man. Yet all the gendered scholarships are women only. And instead of asking whether it's still needed, we hyperfocus on every discipline where it isn't true yet and corrupt the sciences with imported blue haired hacktivism by doing so. I'm a BCompSci major. Feminists have been shouting about a lack of women in CompSci longer than I've been alive. CompSci at my uni was 15% female when I was born, and it was about 12% female when I graduated. (I chalk that up to videogames as a gateway drug and half the applicants being self taught before even studying, personally.) Great progress the feminists have made there. Maybe by constantly shouting about it, women got the message: STEM is for Men. 😆

[@user-nv1gm2zj7y]

well....... women

[@Dark_WarHammer]

I feel bad for you

[@Pistolita221]

Don't look at wage gap stats for millennials, lol. Women earn more than men already.

[@MikeTXBC]

The problem with the whole "gender pay gap" concept is that on the surface it looks completely legitimate. However, once you dig deeper, you begin to see the cracks in the overall idea. None of this means that women can't face discrimination in the workplace, but in many cases it's less about them being women and more about individual choices within that career. For instance, a fact brought up a lot is that "male nurses make more than female nurses." Off-hand, that sounds like textbook discrimination, but you need to stop and ask: WHY? The answer is that, on average, male nurses work longer hours, take more shifts, and are more willing to move to other locations where pay might be better (or at least there's a greater chance of upwards mobility). Does this mean there are absolutely no instances of female nurses being discriminated against? No, I'm sure it happens, but that's not the predominant factor when it comes to the wage discrepancy in this field. Something else some women point to is that if a previously male-dominated field becomes female-dominated, the overall pay drops. They say this is because of sexism, and again, while that could be true on a case-by-case basis, the reason for this is that on average, women work fewer hours and believe more strongly in work/life balance. This means that even if the per-hour pay is equal, the women in that field will earn less because they are working fewer hours. Overtime, this becomes seem as "an acceptable pay range" and thus we see lower pay in a now female-dominated field that was once male-dominated. I can't stress enough the "hours worked" part of the equation because it's almost always left out of the conversation, yet it's vitally important. In those situations where it's mentioned that women work fewer hours, it's side-stepped by saying "it's because women have children and want to spend time with their kids." Okay, but how is it unfair if women get paid less during that time? Having kids isn't a demand of your employer, therefore you don't get compensated for making a personal choice. Quite often the (angry) response to this is something like: "Having and raising children is tough and important for the future!" I don't doubt it's a very difficult task and yes, kids are needed for future generations. However, none of that has anything to do with your job. If you're working 20 hours a week (because you need more time at home with your kids), why should you get paid the same amount as someone else who's working 40 hours a week in the same position? That's not even taking into account the overtime (which is often unpaid, but in some cases is paid) expected from employees who don't have kids to cover for those employees with kids. And finally, jobs that seem similar or equal are often compared without looking at the details. For instance, there was a study a while back that said "female doctors earn less than male doctors, and fewer patients die to female doctors than male doctors." Here's the problem: the study didn't differentiate between what specialization that doctor had. In other words, they examined female family doctors/general practitioners to male heart surgeons, among other lopsided comparisons. This is how they came to the conclusion that male doctors out-earn their peers and how more patients die under the care of a male doctor, because of course a heart surgeon is going to earn more than a family doc/GP and of course more patients will die during surgical procedures than patients who're simply visiting their doctor to renew a prescription or get a form to take a blood test. So is there a wage gap? Maybe on a personal, case-by-case basis, but on a macro level, there's no wage gap unless you ignore pertinent data specifying why these differences occur. And many who fervently argue that a wage gap exists and that it's all due to sexism either willfully ignore this data or are ignorantly parroting key points without understanding the full scope of what's happening. In either case, the facts are being twisted to fit a specific narrative.

[@Ripa-Moramee]

You don't even need to look into it, it's in the name. "gender pay gap" in no way implies it is the result of discrimination, rather quite simply it is the disproportion of pay amongst the genders that is a result of many other factors unrelated to discrimination. The gender pay gap is one of the finest examples of the equity fallacy.

[@yo-yo3065]

I ain’t reading ALLAT

[@tamaramen4517]

@@yo-yo3065you should, there are several excellent points/facts.

[@Gefehhka]

Wish women unserstood that.

[@zenzorkle5160]

They also did a study at Uber where it showed male drivers made more $ than female drivers.. But it was because male drivers worked the later shifts where rates were higher and we're willing to work areas where there were more fares. Also it showed men drove faster which also allowed them to get more pickups/calls vs women. AKA the wage discrepancy had nothing to do with sexism, it was 100% due to the personal choices that women made vs men.

[@crestinglight]

I find it interesting she says, "If I were to ask for a raise, that would affect whether I can stay there, as compared to a [male] coworker." So, you haven't asked. A lot of times women anticipate discrimination and don't even try out of fear, then blame discrimination for where they have ended up. Often, it isn't them, it's you. Note: I'm a woman in STEM. I get treated exactly the same as my male counterparts.

[@someanimefan5990]

Yeah I found her anecdote off as well.

[@tkraid2575]

I'm a woman too. Philosophy graduate. Full of men and old men you meet in symposiums and paper presentations. There's no discrimination. You get treated the same way as your male peers. Some women just like to cover up the fact that they can't stand up to something to discrimination, when it's them just being passive about their business.

[@j.r.griffith]

That's women for ya 😂 My girlfriend had a dream that I had a threesome and she caught me. So now I'm this peoce of shit Cheater . Even though I never happened 😂😂 women tend to act quicker on emotions that's why

[@na-vp5qt]

@@tkraid2575 honestly interested in what a philosophy graduate does? like what does your job entail?

[@themetalpig7613]

It's the "if you think you're a victim, you'll see discrimination everywhere you go" at work.

[@gabbydhaillecourt6512]

I sincerely appreciate the fact that a content creator puts out content that actually explores both sides of relatively hot topics. It’s very refreshing to see.

[@lowtierduster-7254]

not only that, this guy is a genuine journalist exploring issues without making a clown out of either opinion. people call you an influencer which i highly disagree with. you are a journalist and it’s awesome to see.

[@kristabowling1979]

I love your style. It's seeking information, not trying to convince others or introduce your facts in a degrading way.

[@blaqsteel9]

@GEN I have to say you are a true investigative journalist who asks the tough question that many are afraid to ask. You don't see this kind of journalism anymore. Most people just write an article off of TikTok short and just try and wing it from there. Thank you for keeping journalism alive. 💯👍🏾👍🏾 Keep up the great work!

[@themore-you-know]

"Let me womansplain you how male employers think" - unemployed telepath ALSO: immediate BS of feminism is seen right away from witnessing that nearly all discrimination discussions always start by being presented as "women have it worst", rather than a gender-equal approach.

[@claff4573]

Why would it be a gender equal approach is a group of people is struggling more? huh. Women are dying of heart attacks more due to gender data gap not being up to par and women's symptoms which are majority of the time a lot different from men's (the default symptoms) not being considered, why wouldn't you address the people being harmed first?

[@wo_w6640]

"unemployed telepath" lmao. Underrated comment.

[@gl3936]

“Unemployed telepath”😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 i can’t with you!

[@rorycbruce]

I mean, I don't think it can be called 'womansplaining'. She was literally directly asked to explain her opinions. It is a little off the mark? Sure.

[@melonpop_5303]

it's not bs when women do have it the worst

[@jackieliu4022]

Some food for thought: - Young women actually out earn young men in a few major cities - More single women own homes compared to single men - The gender gap in higher education is the same as it was in the 70s, but flipped the other way around

[@ektran4205]

women make most of the financial decision for the house

[@daemonsadi4964]

More single women own homes compared to single men because a man is still paying them. Either in alimony or child support. Real single moms are a major rarity.

[@Darkcamera45]

Exactly I’m 16 and I’ve been studying th stats as part of going to college as I’ll be applying soon and what I’ve noticed is a complete flip it’s like the statistics of education and percentage of industry being male dominated in the 80s and 90s have completely flipped the other way and yet they still complain of the pay gap 😂😂

[@Darkcamera45]

@@daemonsadi4964 Exactly I’m 16 and I’ve been studying th stats as part of going to college as I’ll be applying soon and what I’ve noticed is a complete flip it’s like the statistics of education and percentage of industry being male dominated in the 80s and 90s have completely flipped the other way and yet they still complain of the pay gap 😂😂

[@Darkcamera45]

@@ektran4205 Exactly I’m 16 and I’ve been studying th stats as part of going to college as I’ll be applying soon and what I’ve noticed is a complete flip it’s like the statistics of education and percentage of industry being male dominated in the 80s and 90s have completely flipped the other way and yet they still complain of the pay gap 😂😂

[@chodybarflousky]

Thank you for remaining unbiased. I literally never know your personal opinion because you are so good at playing devil's advocate. More reliable than the media for sure!

[@stevenruiz8977]

Thank you for brilliantly bringing up the conversation of many topics that most people get canceled for. Much respect !!!

[@omar9788]

The pay gap is real. And to deny that the pay gap isn’t real, would deny the fact that men work more dangerous jobs. One of the greatest forms of male oppression is the amount of men that die in the workplace, as they take up over 90% of workplace deaths.

[@sexy_u]

gap isn't real if you look at the same positiona

[@loganlon4495]

@@sexy_u I think that's OP's point, men take riskier jobs and hence get paid more. So the pay gap comes from the difference in jobs that men and women choose.

[@tank9432]

@@sexy_u yeah there is a gap of course but feminists dont look into why there is a gap, they dont care, they only say there is one.

[@tank9432]

@@loganlon4495 yeah and hours worked, men work more hours on average than woman a week, but the gender pay gap is calculated on yearly salary not hourly.

[@30noir]

I know what point you're trying to make but that's not pay gap. Pay gap would be a difference in pay for the same job. Comparing all jobs is asinine.

[@spec24]

"... in the face of blatant discrimination that has no evidence other than these girls anecdotes..." Excellent.

[@lberhold]

There is a common mentality among women in the workforce of being a victim. Nobody wants to promote a victim because they complain all the time, then belittle when they are in a role when they feel superior. I've worked for large corporations which choose underqualified women over qualified men to check a box, I've seen it blow up in their face time and time again.

[@tristanpillay7081]

Love your videos bro. Maybe add statistics paired with the questions you ask to the different groups, or pose those statistics to the people you're questioning to see if it sways their opinions

[@greenisnice9345]

The pay gap exists for cornstars, but it's for the exact same reason with athletes and drama stars like Kardashians. Men love sports. Women love drama.

[@Czaint]

Men also love drama look at crime statistics it’s all men.

[@okapi6727]

How does liking drama involve crime at all???? Crime is because of the intrinsic difference between men and women which relate to aggression. If anything that data point proves how the gender pay gap is actually less about sexism.

[@greenisnice9345]

​@@CzaintWhen people state "men" or "women," it doesn't mean "all men" or "all women" because that's just common sense. It's already implied.

[@claff4573]

Lol men don't like drama. The whole season with the memphis grizzlies was drama and men were loving every second of it. Someone can love sports regardless. Also ironic how you mention corn stars but don't want to mention majority of people watching it.

[@greenisnice9345]

​@okapi6727 I never mentioned crime.

[@jalen_hollis]

There is definitely a pay gap, but not at all for what people are told there is. Good video man and I appreciate your non-bias approach.

[@eljay5009]

It's an earnings gap - not a pay gap.

[@gosiak3267]

What a fantastic channel!!! Hats off to you being able to stay so neutral and pleasant in your conversations.

[@lukekrzmarzick2983]

this is a really good channel that hits some tough topics

[@lr8734]

I felt happier once I started working less and spending more time with my daughter. And shoutout to my hard working husband who made this all possible!!

[@20thcentury_toy]

Shout out to the guy

[@lr8734]

Yes 🙌🏻 because they deserve it!

[@j.r.griffith]

Fuck yeah! 🙏

[@vector_vector__]

W Lady 🙂

[@colinsmith1495]

My wife is the same, even with 5 children to take care of AND homeschool. She has a Master's degree in psychology... and uses it daily :). I couldn't hold down the job I do without her holding down the house. We're a team, and we work well together.

[@Latte23749]

I think its important to define what "gender pay gap" is. I feel like the definition should be a pay disparity when one gender gets paid more despite having the same qualifications for the same positions. Not different postions.

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

Yet they're comparing baristas and bar backs to barristers and line backers

[@noizeaous7267]

@@shinobi-no-bueno bars.

[@DragNetJoe]

Right, because if you compare same job-same education-same experience there is zero pay gap. It's illegal to pay different pay for the same job. The only way there is a pay gap is if women take different jobs, work different hours, have different levels of work experience. Do "dirty jobs" and dangerous jobs pay more? Yes, and men do them. Do many women drop out of the workforce for a few years and have kids? Yes, and that affects their total work experience. There is nothing wrong with this, it's not a problem that needs to be fixed.

[@smashrosa8111]

​@@DragNetJoe The illegal argument isn't good tbh.

[@DragNetJoe]

@@smashrosa8111 Why not? Most people don't even know that it's a law that's been on the books since 1963. Companies get sued if they violate it. You ask people off the street "should there be a law that says..." and most will say yes and have no clue that it has been on the books for 60 years.

[@Existing114]

Really loved this very well researched and informative 👍

[@johnwebb4292]

Great video as usual. Great use of open questions and allowing full responses. 👍

[@adsfjkl4390]

The problem with the 82c to 1$ is that it includes all jobs because certain industries pay more than others and they should probably do studies for specific industries and job positions.

[@tknows470]

It also does not take into account hours worked and years in the role… I read a study summary that showed young women often outearn their male counterparts. When women start getting married and having families, they may decide to work less hours or leave the workforce- it’s a complete manipulation.

[@anthonyjames2021]

They will never do that because as soon as you tart drilling down into specific fields the data starts vanishing and sometimes even flips to show it is actually the reverse, here in the UK up to the age of 30 data shows women actually out earn men in mot cases - this is due to 20+ years of more women getting degrees (around 60% of university intake and graduates are female now). But shhhh we cannot talk about things that contradict the narrative.

[@ektran4205]

choice gap

[@Frazier16]

Yeah and the industires women tend to work in are less diverse than the male ones

[@aishaallahou5029]

When negotiating salaries with the hiring manager women are more likely to play it safe and ask for the lower bracket salary to secure the job with regards to STEM. It really comes down to your attitude in the work place, I’ve been lucky enough to have great feedback at work and given advice on how to carry myself better. I was told I’m too soft spoken and insecure about my work despite it being completed to a high standard, I appreciate that kind of honesty. I’ve noticed that men are more likely to advocate for themselves and apply for jobs they’re less qualified for whereas women severely downplay their abilities and apply for jobs they’re sure they’re qualified for. If you don’t seem to believe in your own competence then obviously the employer is going to promote someone who clearly does. It’s not just about capability, it’s about how you conduct yourself. You can be proactive in the work place without possessing a victim mentality. I’ve seen a woman get fired because every time she was reprimanded for doing something wrong she complained about it being an imagined gender discrimination instead of just taking accountability and learning from it like a true professional would. It was sad to witness because she actually had so much potential but got in her own way.

[@Vendrix86]

the USWNT lawsuit is the perfect example of how some women are severely misinformed about the supposed pay gap.

[@solymar5411]

Your ability to provide a message, stay objective, and be entertaining is unparalleled

[@buu.888]

My husband earns a large amount of money each week. He also works minimum 60 hours, at high risk heights, lifting hundreds of kilos of materials a day and with high voltage electricity. About 99% of his colleagues are male. Women can earn this money too, but they definitely don't want to be doing this kind of work. And so they shouldn't. Especially if they're mother's. Its the "deal" men and women made from the beginning - men will provide and women will bear the children which is a huge physical task in its own right

[@TGIFTOM]

Awesome work mate, legit yours are some of my favourite videos to watch on KZbin.

[@skybluebrad2781]

I think it's an excellent point to bring up, about depending on the industry, the pay gap can change

[@johnanthony9923]

What I would LOVE is for one of these interviewers....after a woman argues that it's NOT due to choice...to ask them if they were offered a job paying twice as much as they currently make right now, would they take it. And as soon as they say "yes" to offer them a job on an oil rig. End of debate. They would literally have no response.

[@freedomandguns3231]

Naw, that's easy and my opinion on the matter is in line with yours. If I believed it existed I would just reply "There are far more jobs that can be done to make that much money, why this specific one? And furthermore, many men would turn down that specific offer as well." As a reminder, because this IS the internet, I do NOT actually believe the gender paygap is a thing discriminating against women. What is statistically available does not support that, especially when broken down by age group.

[@claff4573]

That's not what they're talking about though, they're talking about women having similar jobs to men and getting paid far less in the same job. Now if a man gets a raise and has been working there for a while that makes sense but were going case by case. Also why are men complaining about those oil rig type of jobs if THEY'RE the ones choosing these jobs?

[@freedomandguns3231]

@@claff4573 the poster you are replying to is commenting this based off of how the studies that claim a pay gap exist are conducted. They generally just average out everyone's wages. And I mean EVERYONE'S. The McDonald's worker and the CEO are averaged together for the wages of each gender. Since part of the reason that specific number is so off would be due to job choice that is what he is referring to when he picked the oil rig. Men overwhelmingly work jobs like that, which tend to also be dangerous. Women overhwlemingly also occupy a lot of lower paid positions by comparison such as Social Worker. Still important, but much easier to find a workforce for and much less dangerous so it pays less.

[@anthonyjames2021]

Or just take 1/3 of all carers, nurses HCAs, teachers assistants , HR staff, stewards and swap them with 1/3 of builders, sewage workers, bin men, foresters for a year - see how many are left at the end of the year on their better paid jobs.

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

The pay gap is true. However, the reasons for it are mixed 1) Women get pregnant, and this impacts them enormously even if they only take a short time out of work. This sets a new financial dynamic in the family and the woman shoulders the majority of responsibility of family caring and domestic responsibility and takes up more of her time, reducing the commercial paid hours, whilst the man takes on more commercial paid hours. Usually the woman takes on the responsibility not just of children but also older relatives on both sides of the family. 2) Society and the commercial market has not adjusted to pay these caring roles a fair price commensurate with the broader value to society. 3) Women who need flexibility from an employer to fulfil the caring role domestically are less likely to push for pay rises 4) In some countries women get paid maternity leave, and men do not have access to it, or it's for a much shorter time. This sets the pattern ongoing for who takes on the family care roles at home going forward long term and who has to pick up any pressures economically through work. If men and women could share a larger portion of a joint parental leave, the unpaid domestic load would be more evenly shared and also the paid work impacts would be more evenly shared. 5) There is still discrepancy in womens and mens pay for the same job...which we see frequently, but need to see why. Womens football is not promoted like mens is, so revenues are lower, and the pay is lower. Women are less likely to spend money needed for the family on things like football season tickets and strips for themselves, so womens sports get less spend and less profile. Chicken and egg. Women are just as likely to support mens teams whereas men are less likely to support womens teams and spend the money supporting a womens team than a mens team.

[@Huzaifa-Khan]

W video as always, this guy really gets down to the core and leaves people with something to think about.

[@TanJiro-st6lm]

I’m enjoying your videos and the open kindness with curiosity it comes with . Good shit

[@landwand]

Thank you for your reasonable approach in such sensitive, divisive topics.

[@notlxrd2]

1:35 it's incredible how she claims that women make less money on the same positions but she isn't even working yet

[@420Gold]

You make great videos! Thank you! The gender "pay gap" exists for a reason. And once you understand the nuance, you realize its actually a good thing. Like you said, equality of opportunity is what we really want, not equality of outcome.

[@ssu7653]

There is a pay gap, its just not a GENDER pay gap. Its a choice pay gap, take more time off work vs working overtime make a huge impact on the total income/hr when these things are NOT taken into account

[@RobwLPOC]

​@@ssu7653exactly, the number is actually accurate but it's a difference in average National yearly income between men and women. That's a totally different thing than two people getting paid differently for the same job

[@etaiii]

It’s interesting that individuals who align with ‘woke’ ideologies often emphasize the pay gap between men and women, demonstrating a clear recognition of gender differences in this context. However, when asked to provide a definitive explanation of what constitutes being a woman, they sometimes struggle to articulate a response.

[@Ioria89]

I work as psychologist, and my field is female dominated. I got discriminated because women managers wanted to hire other women, to have "women's teams" for whatever reason. But I didn't go around complaining about it, instead I started contracting so I could get more money than those managers that rejected me.

[@oldrusty6527]

I worked in marketing for several years. In the last two years a woman was given the top spot in my department and the new hires were suddenly all women. They started having work meetings where they simply didn't invite the male employees.

[@jamesgarrison6430]

Sounds like discrimination based on sex to me

[@dont_know_anymoreum797]

I’m so sorry that sounds like hell to work in. And those women shouldn’t be in the field of psychology, they are blandly showing bias which is specifically what they shouldn’t be doing.

[@marcocorreia6255]

You dealt with it in a manly manner. No complaints, push forward.

[@Bradley_Lute]

That is not a field where women should be discriminating against men lol. All women teams sounds pretty sexist to me.

[@isaackrantz4457]

Dude, you are the most underrated KZbinr of all time. You give so much insight and your videos are so well put together. Keep it going

[@wizless]

How don't u have a least a mill yet. Ur videos are pretty high quality. Keep it up

[@danielweigandberg2917]

I truly dont understant how you only have 204.000 subs, great vidios and intresting toppings, love

[@JasonEdokpa]

@7:00 "We live in a capitalist society, and therefore we value people's worth on demand." Almost like people who contribute more to society should be valued and paid more than others. 🤷‍♂ Crazy how that works. 🤯

[@aaronmontgomery2055]

Contribution to society does not equal worth in a monetary sense. Teachers and such are not paid more than certain jobs. Now I don't care enough to want to increase their pay beyond inflation as I am a capitalist; I am just saying contribution to society itself can't be valued based on monetary outcome for the individual. Demand does mark their worth to the economy of that moment but not to society.

[@JasonEdokpa]

@@aaronmontgomery2055 You can't always quantify the amount that some jobs such as teachers contribute. And it's much easier to become a great teacher than a mediocre neurosurgeon or nuclear physicist, so society will have a higher demand for those jobs which require more specialization and expertise therefore pay more, otherwise no one would ever want to work those occupations.

[@aaronmontgomery2055]

@@JasonEdokpa No I absolutely agree on paying those people more (the ones the economy decides to) but I am saying contribution to society isn't marked by how mush someone is paid. Like a stripper who gets paid more than 150k does not contribute more than a garbage worker however I at the same time agree with the stripper getting paid more if that is what the market says.

[@rocketman5252]

Really good video dude! I think the problem is that there are so many double standards and situations where the common arguments are/ are not valid that it can seem like it boils down to what you have hear or seen rather than what is actually the case which varies from industry to industry and individual to individual.

[@MrBena1234]

what the hell? when i joined your channels like a few months ago i swear you like 2 or 3k subs? fair play my guy. great thought provoking content

[@aliamarieruns]

It really depends on the industry, but the one thing I learned in my 20's working as a self-taught dev in the tech world, that gave men an advantage, was confidence and negotiation skills. Women, myself included, who learned confidence and negotiation skills can easily eliminate that pay gap. It's really frustrating that this isn't pointed out--and actually completely ignored. There are also always going to be industries where men earn more (most sports) and women earn more (modeling). That's just the way it is.

[@Deimonos85]

Women give up more when challenges face them. There has been studies that portray that.. not to mention that dealing with a computer and development, women in general, are not into that

[@TheTinyOrc]

I’ve unfortunately met a lot of entitled women who comes into the job in 3 month and demand for a higher title and then leave to the next best thing after messing the entire department up.

[@aki_jeote_]

There is definietly a gap in some areas, but not for the reasons most people think, great video! I like how the element that affects the videos most are the people you interview, keep up the good work!

[@RipperDio]

This channel is very unbiased. You dont get a lot of that on the internet lol. Keep up the good work

[@CottidaeSEA]

Great video! I think the problem with the entire pay gap discussion is the unwillingness to meet eye to eye and accept facts. There is far too much denial and feelings involved that it's impossible to have a healthy discussion about what the actual issues are and how to solve them. Because the "pay gap deniers" are unlikely to say women should get paid less, most of them will want women to earn as much as men, assuming they do the same things. There is no difference in the desire of outcome, the procedure is what's different.

[@RobwLPOC]

The problem is they're misrepresenting hourly pay of two people doing the same job with the average yearly income of any man and any woman in the country in any profession. Aka= An average Yearly income gap The Gap exists, but it's not what people claim it is.

[@thedeputy4268]

I remember when I was in college and any one asked me how far I wanted my education to go, it was always the highest degree for the highest position. 99% of women in the same field just wanted the basic level of education for the profession with minimal responsibility. I don't think most women have the desire to push for higher positions.

[@ilikepizza7211]

Nor are women really persuade to

[@shannenmr]

When you see the videos interviewing average looking women on the street saying they wouldn't marry someone who makes less than 400K (which would be in top of the 1%) it just re-enforces that society see's main men's value in how much they make

[@fatfurry]

@@shannenmr 400K?????!??! holy crap, what even makes that much?!?

[@ThegreatHera420]

It was very interesting to hear so many perspectives. There’s so many factors that contribute to different things. I really wish we could see more normal people talking about this all the time. Thanks for the video

[@davidmc8475]

I performed staffing at a psychiatric hospital. There was a need for on-call physicians in the evening, nights and weekends. Physicians were assigned hours to work that was rotated. The female physicians were always giving up or trying to give up their on-call hours. 90% of the time male physicians volunteered to work their hours with Asian Doctors doing a good portion of the work.

[@thesupermarket4074]

Really well done video. You’ve gotten one more subscriber

[@orbyfied]

Legit one of the best KZbinrs right now, saving society in an entertaining way.

[@claff4573]

Why doesn't he question any of the manopshere content? Or andrew tate?

[@orbyfied]

@@claff4573??? kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXzHmHuKiZl6i68

[@bonifiedeagle6128]

@@claff4573There’s not a lot to question to be fair . This leftist liberal mindset is faar more dangerous

[@suckieduckie]

@@claff4573 What kind of questions would you like about it?

[@ttabros346]

@@claff4573 he has already

[@inhumanjoey310]

I work at the post office. We all get paid the same per level.

[@AimRobot]

The only job I had where I worked with women, we both had the same start salary and you got the same amount of increase depending on time in the company. BUT there were limits on what women were allowed to lift for their health, so each day they did about 20% less than men. (Yes we had perfomance sheets)

[@bradleychance4663]

I'm a guy who works in health care in the UK. It's probably not common in most jobs, but we talk a lot about our pay. The only factor that seems to affect it is experience and training.

[@joeybroderick3927]

This guy is so great and unbiased.

[@johnboy6704]

Geez man, every single video this guy puts out is a banger. The research is so good and the unbiased conversations are interesting and refreshing to see.

[@monstercameron]

great video, very thought provoking.

[@gabrielfuret4852]

quite interesting, keep the hard work!

[@nathanmorar8007]

I love you content. After I watching a part of one video, I thought you were bias and pushing an agenda. Now that I’ve watched a few videos, not only is your production and editing amazing but you’re unbiased, intelligent present all sides of the topic. Elite content.

[@chrisvalentine9735]

We have transitioned from the age of dignity, to the age of victimhood. it's very dangerous.

[@hobbes2555]

My first office job (banking) the 4 people above me were all women. When I was training a new hire (woman), she was paid more than me.

[@fallen546]

I'm a software engineer, and I've seen women simply accept the pay they're given, and work hard to demonstrate their value every day. They feel undervalued, and unappreciated, and blame sexism for it. It's not sexism, it's just that corporations don't care about you or your hard work. I feel bad for them, because i've found it's a better strategy to see yourself as a mercenary with no loyalty, and jump from one job to another never accepting your current pay as your actual value. In 6 years i've increased my pay by 400% by doing this.

[@fatfurry]

i keep hearing about that job hopping strategy in software engineering and it sounds fun

[@VideoVerdict]

I agree with the misthios So many people don't get this.

[@mrroyal9109]

"what are some rights that men have but women don't"...pure silence...😬😐

[@Gurra88]

We can be topless in public.

[@KyleKamTaco]

As an HR, we never factor in gender when considering salary proposals. Our focus has always been on education, training, and years of experience alone

[@bigkingsean1330]

In relationships there is a leadership and spend gap as well. For example, men are expected to initiate, plan and pay for dates and gifts. They are expected to take responsibility for the success of the relationship and are expected to spend a disproportionately higher amount in the relationship (pay for dinner, pick her up, her ring is thousands his is hundreds).

[@dennissawyer9774]

I worked in construction for 30 years . I probably saw 20 females in that time and mostly flag wavers. The heavy work rarely had any females.

[@Pepa14pig]

Is there a gap? Yes, there is. But it’s not because of “patriarchy or sexism”, it’s because there are differences in jobs. If you take a man and a woman and look what jobs they could take, they’d have different preferences and those are the reason women get “paid less”. It’s hard to find the same job where men and women earn different pays. I work in IT, I get paid the same as my male coworkers. Haven’t yet heard a woman gets paid less than a man in same position. Also, there are differences for same positions between male pays in different firms so… too many factors to cover in one comment.

[@claff4573]

They're talking about similar jobs, not a truck driver and a mcdonalds working expecting the same pay. Having different preferences for a job has nothing to do with being paid less simply for being a woman.

[@anthonyjames2021]

I worked in resourcing for a call centre and for 7 years the top 50 overtime staff every single week was 90+% males, there was one notable exception where a woman working overtime until her visa ran out was number one on the list for 6 months. No patriarchy, no sexism just unlimited overtime available but mostly males who took the offer up and therefore earned more.

[@WTFST1FFLA]

As much as I love watching videos with "gotcha" points with facts, this man comes in at a neutral stance and asks some serious questions.

[@MsThatstuff]

Never seen a stadium filled… always half empty with seating removed

[@berkvingerling3416]

Congrats on 200K

[@GEN]

Appreciate the love thanks for the support!

[@puneethck6555]

Also what type of equality are we striving for? Equality of outcome or equality of opportunity? I think this is an important aspect we have to consider when it comes to societal issues.

[@LukeSly91]

equality of outcome is what these freaks want clearly. equality of opportunity is already a fact so obviously they want equality of outcome. Men will pretty much always outperform women in the work force and they can't have that.

[@Ironica82]

When shall this myth die?

[@meep7701]

like a few other people have said it does exist but it is simply for entirely different reasons than what people think is the reasons

[@okaySam]

@@meep7701 In Germany the pay gap is 6% but doesn't account for actual hours worked. So I'd say it's a myth at least in some countries..

[@meep7701]

@@okaySam yeah true

[@ieshabush32]

It’s still applicable with boss bias but not for specific jobs.

[@Dr_Larken]

Lol thank you I needed a laugh!

[@AARON-hf7wl]

i like how neutral you are in this keep doing this, that is valuable for info to be presented that way in todays society

[@GEN]

that's the mission - thanks for watching!!

[@candiceerorita9505]

Your videos and the way you edit and structure them, not to mention the music, they all give me hope for the future. ❤ More power to you, GEN! 💜

[@josephcastro4684]

Gen, As Always; I continue to be amazed by yet another amazing video. Thank you for finding such great topics to truly shed the unbiased truths to the world. You’re genuinity and and dedication to each individual video and specific topic is powersful.

[@VapenBake]

I have worked in the texas heat in this warehouse for 19 years. It's 107 degrees today. I'm a manager and we've never even had a woman apply for for a job

[@jaqen7122]

I would say men and women have equal opportunities, but minority of men have no problem working 70 hours a week to get to the top positions, meanwhile most people and especially women care more about actually living and enjoying their life and making a family. Men who are on top positions spend majority of their time at work, they barely see their children or their wife so even though they have a family, they sacrifice their life to be on the top. Let's face it, most people would rather have some sort of balance between work and spending time with our loved ones. The only unfair advantage men have when it comes to jobs and salary is that they don't have to think about pregnancy. Statistic clearly shows that men and women are paid the same until the wife gets pregnant and has a child. Because while her husband still goes to work, the wife takes time of work and has less options to get a raise or be promoted. But this is not men's fault, we are not to blame that only women can bare babies! If we look from the other perspective, men because they have stronger bodies usually take majority hard dangerous jobs. Men made 85% of all injuries, over 90% of all workplace fatalities and have a shorter life expectancy than women. So while men have no problem sacrificing their lives and health for the greater good, women should also have no problem sacrificing to have a little lower salary compared to men because they take more time of work to take care of the children. The biggest problem is feminist stating that men and women are the same, we are not! Because of biology we don't have the same bodies and our brains work differently. Men have some advantages in some places and disadvantages in other places and so do women. The bottom line is women have the ability to get to the top positions if they want to, but the competition is strong and you will have to put a lot of time and effort to get there. You can't expect that just because you are a women, men are going to make room for you so you can squeeze in. But the downside is you will have a harder time finding a husband and having a family. If you are willing to sacrifice your personal life to get there then go on ahead. Every successful person will tell that you have to work hard. But it seems like majority of women don't want to work hard, they want to work less, get the top positions and be paid same or more then men. Life doesn't work like that, you are fighting for equality but you want special treatments! In my country we already had a female president, a female at the head of the armed forces and female police chief. In free countries everything is possible if you have the will, determination, ambition, dedication...but if you are going to be complaining all the time, not work hard and have other priorities, then it's your own damn fault.

[@ayarriba9093]

The gap is real, but the reason is not "THE PATRIARCHY". It's a myriad of factors that are not necessarily good or bad. They're just realities...

[@mce2747]

The difference in interests between men and women is very real and does impact career choice. HOWEVER, there is also research that shows that males and females learn differently and one reason that we choose different field is because of how we connect to what is being taught. If more men are in stem, then more men will be teaching stem and therefore more boys will be interested in stem. There might be more women interested in stem if it was taught to them differently.

[@GEN]

That’s actually a really good point. Haha seeing comments like these always make me wish I could continue to add more to the video even after it’s posted lmao

[@TysonGibby]

It is important to note that our constitution was NEVER written to or intended to guarantee equality in outcome or opportunity, it was written to guarantee equality in AUTHORITY. That each one of us as FREE individuals has the SAME authority and political power as every other individual who is a citizen of this country. As citizens WE CHOOSE to give part of that authority to other individuals to represent us. This includes elected officials such as congress, the supreme court, or the President. It also includes unelected officials such as police, the IRS, or the EPA. In the original constitution, each of us are equal in authority and we use that authority to empower the different branches of government.

[@anjolatope-babalola2338]

Some women would rather be on only fans than be a software engineer "Gender pay gap"

[@Sephiroso.]

This was a pretty solid video. Was all explored in a truthful manner that wasn't attempting to be biased or disingenuous. Good job.

[@BornOfChaosAndOrder]

In any type of work, you can clearly see who's a leader and is ready to promote, so they can lead a team to better operations. Some of these people just want the raise and not the responsibility that comes with it.

[@tsquare5111]

Life is unfair, but instead of working towards fairness together, let's just blame men.

[@inhumanjoey310]

Until women work in the, undesirable jobs and stop crying about excurtive positions, there will always be a pay gap

[@claff4573]

This doesn't even make sense. They're taking about pay gaps between similar jobs. If those jobs are so hard, those men didn't have to pick those jobs. Maybe women are just smarter in not choosing those types of jobs.

[@TheHMSBros]

@@claff4573 Absolute braindead take. It does make sense, the studies that are commonly sited including the 82c to the dollar one just broadly took the income of a bunch of men and women, no matter the job, no matter the type of job and no matter the amount of hours worked. "If those jobs are so hard, those men didn't have to pick those jobs"; of course they didn't, but some people (mostly men) have a push to make as much money as they can, whether that's because they want to buy expensive things or, more likely, because of the common societal expectation that men are the providers for their families.

[@Bryce433]

@@claff4573 “Smarter” and paid less because of that choice. Women only want to be equal to %10 earners with a simple office job

[@johnnk3256]

​@@claff4573: 😂😂😂 Riskier jobs tend to pay more. Men choose riskier jobs because it pays more. Women don't. And then they cry about not getting paid as much as men. 😂 Dmb@ss...

[@joshuamarine6883]

Thank you for presenting issues in as neutral and fundamental of an approach as you have. I hope you can inspire more creators like yourself that choose not as much to push certain viewpoints but more to encourage a different and fair look at issues