What Do We Know About The New Joker? | Batman Caped Crusader

[@PanStolasFan]

I wonder if this version of Joker will be more like his golden era counterpart of being a dour pragmatic scientific gangster.

[@masterofallthelakesintown2472]

I hope so. That’s my favorite version. Batman nr.1 is the first comic I ever read. It was from my grandfather and it was great.

[@fenrirsrage4609]

A man with a mirthless smile.

[@wildcrochunter6724]

I mean, yeah, obviously that’s what they’re gonna do

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

He still smiled in the golden age

[@shelbybayer200]

Probably a Fusion ?

[@lillianvioletrose9637]

I have a theory about this Joker. That he will be cold, calculated, precise, and a genius. It’s suggested that he made the joker toxin himself, which I think is a nod to his intelligence. And instead of a crazy man who is trying to show the world his sense of humor, he will be a crazy man who is desperately trying to find humor in SOMETHING. Killing is the closest he can get, but it’s still not satisfying. If this were to be the case, I’d love it if he never laughed or smiled- until much later on when he finally finds humor in something. That something being Batman. And I’d love his laugh to be deep, dark, and creepy, then turn maniacal. But yeah that’s just my theory/ hope.

[@krispalermo8133]

Since this series takes place after WW II, or any war .. Joker's face was messed up from a mortar round and his brain got shell shocked. So, he has a real FU face smile and tells corny dad joke which is deliver in a deadpan tone which is funny. But the Joker never looks amused. Plot twist during the war Thomas Wayne was station at the MASH camp and he was the one who saved the Joker's life and gave him the smile.

[@jturner2577]

So he'll be a fusion of early Golden Age Joker and War of Jokes and Riddles Joker.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Unhappy joker somehow sounds more terrifying.

[@Scrinwaipwr]

Arthur Fleck.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@Scrinwaipwr and mark hamill's joker when they wouldn't trademark his joker fish.

[@badideagenerator2315]

Having joker be a sad clown

[@abe2826]

Remember the three jokers storyline? "The criminal" is basically that

[@lilstupidahhboy5155]

@@Scrinwaipwrthe one who got sa’d? Not so terrifying now.

[@jamesclockwork2773]

I really hope it is John Demaggio. I loved his work on the Joker in the Red Hood animated movie. That Joker had more of a "Dry Wit" compared to other versions, and I'd love if that were the direction they took with this Joker. Imagine a more calm and collected Joker who always has a slight smile at the edge of his lips instead of a massive grin and has a more sarcastic sense of humor.

[@capsjukebox]

I hope it’s John, too. His Joker in Red Hood was great and truly unhinged while beating up the Jason Todd Robin. His cackle was just as good as Hammill’s.

[@niydfass1060]

oh god yeah i loved john demaggio. Controversial take, but I think his depiction of the Joker was the best, even beating out Mark Hamill personally.

[@bJT42]

John Demaggio Joker was scary lol, sounded like a monster.

[@kennethsatria6607]

Hope its better than the multiple choice type sequel version where he reprised the role though. I think something about the original had better written dialogue

[@jturner2577]

John Dimaggio or Clancy Brown would be great choices.

[@jacktoma21]

My assumption was that Joker laughing gas in the DCAU was lethal if someone didn’t get immediate medical help like with the laughing fish victims or Arthur Reeves. Other examples, like the guards in Holiday Knights, I just assumed they were dead but the team told the sensors that they weren’t so they could get it through.

[@SerumLake]

Yeah, the censors wouldn’t let BTAS Joker gas kill anyone, it always forced them to convulse their in fits of laughter - possibly a fate worse than death if not treated. They did hint at one of the victims getting murdered in Holiday Knights, but it’s not clear if the Joker toxin was the cause.

[@solleehasnolife4780]

I think the laughing gas is lethal because it’s almost like a mechanical asphyxiant for lack of a better term. Basically you laugh so much until you’re out of breath and eventually die from lack of oxygen.

[@comettamer]

That's essentially it. Joker toxin is ALWAYS supposed to be lethal if left untreated. Whether the effects can kill in hours or minutes is somewhat dependent on the material.

[@michealmahmoud6391]

It’s funny because TNBA used homicide and death more than it did in BTAS so it’s easier to see those people hit by joker gas and left with the smile, being dead

[@JokerFan-hj4iv]

@@SerumLakeSal Valestra from mask of the phantasm definitely died from the gas as well.

[@mesektet5776]

As they want to be different but still rhyme with their previous work on BTAS, my theory for the creative team is that Harley will be fascinated with The Joker, but, like on a psychological professional level, and she will follow his crime-spree, to get inside his head. Not as a lover, but still obsessed with him in a way. Like how Dr. Loomis became obsessed with Michael Myers in the Halloween films.

[@veryannoyedrn]

Oh now this i love

[@SerumLake]

Ohhhhh, that would work very nicely…

[@ButtoneyeDecker]

There was a comic that went with that idea “Joker/Harley Criminal Sanity”

[@ΕυάγγελοςΦώσκολος]

I really hope that this Joker resembles his original, more serious counterpart. Most shows focus on the "childish trickster" Joker and the "psychopath" Joker. Nobody has ever done a "serious criminal mastermind" Joker. Heath Ledger got close though.

[@jturner2577]

Cameron Monaghan also came close when he portrayed the real Joker (Jeremiah Valeska) in Gotham Season 4.

[@thinktankstudios]

2:31 It's also an idea that has been done before. Telltale's second Batman season had Harley be the devil on Joker (or John Doe's) shoulder. In a way, she was the abuser, and he was the abused, a reversal of their traditional origin. I don't imagine that's the direction Caped Crusader will take, and if it does then it will likely go in a much different direction.

[@daschwah]

Telltale’s remapping of the lore is some of the most lowkey brilliant interpretations ever. Interesting how few fans are aware of it.

[@stingerjohnny9951]

@@daschwah I kinda liked their version of the penguin too

[@zonko]

I have an idea for this Joker's story, and it takes inspiration from the Invisible Man from BTAS This Joker is a serial killer at the start after one bad day and left his family, but he is not insane, though he is still a theatrical killer. But over season 2, he keeps accidentally inhaling minor amounts of his own laughing gas, causing him to mentally decline, including getting amnesia and physically becoming more dirty and deformed. He would even get scenes of him talking about his past but without any traces to a key character, as he is alone in the scenes. He will have a lot of encounters, but a decent amount of his plans will fail. When he has his finale with Batman, all the poisonous gadgets he made finally takes the toll on him, and through a trance, believes Batman is his polar opposite demon, and gets that heath ledger relation before he is arrested. Finally, we see him without the makeup in Arkham, but with how deformed he got, they cant match him with a single criminal, making him a John Doe. So essentially his own actions delete his identity.

[@vwing2130]

I LOVE this idea

[@zonko]

@vwing2130 thnx man!

[@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970]

Thats actually really good!

[@zonko]

@@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 thnx, I think itd be a fresh take whilst still keeping Joker's identity hidden

[@crabohato4954]

​​​​​​​@@zonkoI feel like whatever major change happens to the joker may involve a more sudden and immediate event, rather than it necessarily just being an escalation of many small events. I may be talking out my ass right now but, what if the Joker right now is just some regular smart guy who's committing elaborate attacks involving his joker toxin. His white skin right now is purely makeup. But by the end of season 2, Joker in his last encounter with Batman falls into a vat of his own toxin. Due to basically micro dosing himself to his toxin constantly, he's built a slight immunity that allowed him to survive. He is however, horribly disfigured with a permanent smile and white skin. This would cement the Joker as THE Joker while paralleling the ace chemical incident

[@zachbahamutson5477]

Technically speaking The Joker toxin in other series is incredibly lethal, the only reason we never see anyone die is usually because Batman has a antidote on hand.

[@Bluesit32]

Exactly. We see Batman giving an antidote.

[@PurposefullyIneloquent]

THANK YOU! Man it got me heated when he said it usually isn't lethal.

[@The_Phantasm]

I'm extremely surprised with myself for saying this, but Joker is honestly the main reason I'll be checking out season 2. Before the first season came out I thought that if the writing was strong enough, Joker would not be necessary to appear from the start, but when I watched it and the writing never really grabbed me I felt the opposite and I felt his presence was greatly missed. I still couldn't tell if it was John DiMaggio or James Arnold Taylor who did the voice for him at the end.

[@PinBBro]

For me it’s just how the show lacks the charisma and tight logic of other Batman shows like Btas, beyond, 2004, etc. everyone aside from Oswalda has such a droopy wooden personality which combined with the insanely stiff animation and boring art style made for an overall uncaptivating experience, especially with how good absolute Batman, Arkham shadow and the penguin have been, this show just isn’t up to chop with them IMO.

[@fist-of-doom487]

I tried to watch the show but it’s just way too dry. Like the show is too busy sniffing its own farts. If Joker isn’t charismatic enough to brighten up this dull fest then this show is a dud

[@MarioMastar]

Yeah, I think it was a wise decision to leave Joker out of Season 1 until the very end. We all know Joker is Batman's main rival, so I feel like if they did focus on him from the start, it wouldn't really allow them to build a solid season 2. Sometimes you kind of need to hold off from playing the Ace until the right moment.

[@tayojones9460]

I really hope they cast John DiMMaggio as Joker. His performance as Joker from Batman under the hood was fantastic.

[@wowzzz402]

I’m loving this series! I think this new joker will be a total menace and possibly one of the scariest versions of him

[@Oeoats09]

I always thought the way Jack Nicholson's Joker had his face stuck in a permanent grin was creepy in a cool twisted way, so if we got that with this version of the Joker would be awesome

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

3:14: In Young Justice's very unpopular iteration of Joker, his toxin was lethal.

[@FeralSimp2005]

If the Joker toxin is lethal imagine the Fear toxin if they do Scarecrow in the series.

[@Makarosc]

You get so scared you go into shock and die

[@FeralSimp2005]

@Makarosc I mean yes, but it'd be a painful and fucked up way to die

[@DrDoom77976]

@@FeralSimp2005 id honestly love to see what they'd do for scarecrow's design in this series

[@ianswinford5570]

I think this may be the most terrifying incarnations of the Joker yet. I like the idea of his face being stuck in a permanent grin, and can’t wait to see what he does in the next season

[@Scowleasy]

I think the important question to ask is “is this change in service of telling an interesting story?” Imo if the answer is yes, then overall it’s a good thing.

[@Primordial_Synapse]

I hope the Caped Crusader's Joker portrayal is that of an unequivocal heel (to borrow a term from wrestling), akin to Clayface, devoid of any redeemable qualities. Sympathetic villains or antiheroes as secondary characters often overshadow the protagonist, diminishing their appeal to fans. As an aside, this was evident in the animated Harley Quinn series, where Kite Man, depicted as Ivy's bumbling yet sympathetic boyfriend (rather than, for example, a boorish, over-confident jerk), inadvertently stole the spotlight from the titular, main character. HBO's Penguin exemplifies an ideal approach. By the series' end, he emerges as the unscrupulous gangster familiar from the comics. This portrayal culminates in a genuinely satisfying final scene, where the Bat-signal illuminates the night sky, symbolizing the inevitable triumph of good over evil. The metaphorical hammer of justice is going to come down on the Penguin sooner or later, reinforcing the narrative that no matter how cunning or ruthless he becomes, he cannot escape the consequences of his actions.

[@Passions5555]

The Harley Quinn show I feel tried too hard to make Kiteman this shows version of Jerry Smith from Rick and Morty. Jerry Smith is portrayed as this ineffectual, utterly incompetent, PATHETIC loser most of the time who is emotionally needy and only get brief moments to redeem himself. The Harely Quinn show tries to give Kitman a similar vibe so that we the audience laugh at him and think he too incompetent and lame to deserve Poisen Ivy and all root for Harley (whose a complete twat toward Kiteman) to get him, because she is the better choice to be with Ivy. Serious misfire too, because they accidently, either through the writing or the performance of Kiteman's voice actor made him too endearing as a lovable doofus to look down him and made Harley come off as a petty, unpleasant bitch next to him.

[@Primordial_Synapse]

@@Passions5555 Precisely. If someone in your production meant to be a side character not only steals the spotlight from the protagonist but also puts them in a negative light, then that's bad writing.

[@MarioMastar]

I do like the idea of Harleen Quinzel being the reason the Joker exists mostly because it'd be a strong inversion of her character that would better work for the "food for thought" aspect. Like if Harleen didn't know that she created the Joker but was ultimately responsible for it, it'd give an interesting and much needed twist that the BTAS writers really would look for. Basically stating that she "doesn't exist in a vacuum, realistic events ultimately lead to them being loosely related, but she isn't DESIGNED to be related". That's one of the things I like about Caped Crusader. Unlike BTAS, they really are trying to go for more of a "This COULD happen in reality" path rather than a "Set the stage and roll with it". (e.g. Two face's gimmick relying on him being bipolar always felt like an "easy way out" to describe the character, but doesn't feel realistic, it's very cartoonish because it's easy to explain, but it also falls into the trap of making it seem like people with mental disorders ARE partially evil because of the mental disorder, and that's not always true. So the way they handled Harvey in Caped Crusader felt like it would be less offensive and prejudice towards those with bipolar disorder by being sensitive to the way Harvey doesn't make a gimmick of his two halves and instead it's a lot more subtle, like a side saying "I didn't deserve this!" and the other side saying "I could've avoided this...."making him far more sympathetic despite being a villain by default. That's kind of the way I feel we should look at Caped Crusader. They're not writing this for young kids who need everything spelled out anymore, as we've all grown up and are adults now and they want to show us that respect as long time batman fans.

[@ΕυάγγελοςΦώσκολος]

I hope that if this Joker and Harley interact, she would not be attracted to him. I really want major plots from BTAS to go on a different direction. I would also like to see Victor Fries (if he's introduced to the show) not becoming Mr Freeze and actually being happily married to Nora.

[@mikkovaittinen3835]

I would like to see serious criminal mastermind Joker. It would be fresh take from clown prince, or serial killer. Mastermind with ambitious goals and make him succeed at second season.

[@WhiteRaven696]

As someone who adores OG Harley, I love the new Harley. She’s still in there, just remixed.

[@N_0_S_t_al_gicben-zo]

Ong

[@LULU-animate]

I actually saw an interesting idea (which you similarly mentioned here) for this version of the Joker, that instead of branding himself as ‘the Joker’ he is instead labelled that by the press or the GCPD because of his method of killing, kinda giving a ‘Francis Dolarhyde’ esque version of the Joker.

[@DawnWildFire]

a joker in a permanent grin but his eyes show many expressions THAT'S ALASTOR 😂

[@yurabuchkov8138]

Jack Nicholson joker from Tim Berton did first before alastor made it mainstream.

[@_NERD_BROSKI]

Hmm, who knows? Maybe Vivienne Medrano took some inspiration from the Joker in terms of design, at least at first, and tried to apply it to Alastor. God, the more I think about it, the more I kind of would love to see a mini non-cannon crossover event between the Hazbin Hotel crew and Batman and his rouges gallery. Just imagine the interaction and banter between Alastor and Joker. They would create the ultimate Symphony of Madness that would surely leave anyone who hears it INSANE!

[@The_Str4nger]

Fun fact: Alastor's german VA also voiced the Heath Ledger Joker

[@_NERD_BROSKI]

@@The_Str4nger Now that's just...funny lmao!

[@MikuJess]

I'm imagining a Joker that's obsessed with laughter in the same way the Scarecrow is obsessed with fear.

[@icetide9411]

I love the way they've been usually going back to the roots of the character and then adding a twist, so I really hope they do the same with Joker and we get something Golden Era-esque

I think Joker shouldnt be changed from what we know typically, since that sinister tone he had in his sneak peek in the first season's final episode could still work with the energy we've seen from the likes of Mark Hammil, Kevin Michel Richardson, Jack Nicholson, or even Cesar Romero.

[@Darryl-q6o]

"...smile, darn ya, smile..."

[@samythekay]

Caped crusader usually takes inspiration from the character's first appearances, so they definitely are heading for the cold blooded quiet killer/ Mad scientist/Dashing robber persona. Or maybe pointing out that The Joker always puts on a show by acting all happy and hyper active but turning back to a cold monster once the camera' are off. Just like that mirror page in the war of jokes and riddles. Remember that to the Joker every crime is a performance.

[@jordanloux3883]

Considering this is a Joker who is as new to the scene as Batman, I imagine it will take some time to get him up to the major schemes. Maybe he'll pull a Penguin and work his way up the ladder to becoming the Crown Prince of Crime. Doing jobs for Oswalda and Thorn and anyone else who is dumb enough to trust him.

[@Gaymore16]

A cool backstory idea i have is that Joker, similar to the man who laughs, had his mouth disfigured by a wealthy socialite (instead of king, it's more of a modern day version of a "king" in amercia, as gotham isn't in England I'm pretty sure and doesn't have a monarchy) and Joker is extremely mad about that, despite what his mouth says, he probably had chemcials put into his hair and skin by the weathly socialite as well, the socialite forcing him to be his entertainment and basically his slave, forcing him to preform as a small disfigured kid/teenager, Joker luckily escaped, but his sanity like his appearance was changed forever, the chemcicals being dangerous messed with his brain, (he acts insane, but not manic or happy) and IF a Harley quinn and Joker teamup happens, i would imagine Joker finds Harley one day washed up somewhere near his area, when he was disposing a body, he finds it interesting that some girl in a jester costume washed up near his place, and decides to help her out (maybe for the heck of it, he was curious maybe? This backstory idea has him not be totally insane like BTAS and has SOMETHING there in him, which is up for interpretation) And Joker takes her in and saves her, Harley is shocked to see Joker when she awakes, but the 2 get along, Joker hates the rich from his backstory and Harley kills and tortures evil rich people who were her clients- at least she used to before batman stopped her, Joker gets inspired by Harley's story and by Harley's blessing, allows him to commit similar crimes to her as they both share the same ideals, (the 2 aren't dating ofc, but are friends as Harley is dating Renee) Joker and Harley help each other out after abit, helping each other out when they can (note i didn't say toxic relationship, as Harley is already with someone, Joker won't be dating her, and since Caped Crusader likes to do new things, it wouldn't be a stretch if Harley and Joker meant, it won't be a toxic relationship as it wasn't done alot) This is just me spit balling and having fun with this new interpretation we have little information about, don't take this seriously

[@Gaymore16]

Ps, I don't like the idea of Harley abusing Joker and making him, it rubs me the wrong way tbh...

[@DarthArachnious]

I kind of wanted them to go back to Joker being obsessed with diamonds. The original forties version was always conducting jewel heist. No doubt it was shorthand for the reader, who understand that jewels are valuable. But it accidentally created this idea that Joker likes jewels, diamonds in particular.

[@nancyhodges444]

This should be very fascinating.

[@SerumLake]

Do you think I'm reading too much into the fact that they didn't show much of his face?

[@nancyhodges444]

@ No, his eyes alone does it for me imo!

[@isaacvail]

Hi Serum. Love your work, thanks for your insightful dives into these characters. As someone who is more a Marvel person, I really appreciate the lengths you go to get in-depth from both comics and moving media for DC characters. Your passion shows!

[@beckywilson1550]

Well so far in episode one is the first time the police see batman which means batman was not at ace chemicals when the joker was red hood so the joker did not fall into the acid or he did and we have just not seen the scene yet

[@groudonmario]

I expect the Joker, and when he isnt there I breathe a sigh of relief

[@Trainman-fx9oe]

Maybe they’ll borrow the Three Jokers plot point where it hurts the golden age Joker to laugh.

[@dominikdickey4906]

I also thought of "The Man Who Laughs" when I saw this scene. He was literally just kidnapping random civilians and testing his toxin on each one, tweaking it slightly until it achieved the desired result. As with that story, I'm guessing this Joker's final scheme (if he has one) must've been at least a year in the making, cause in the comic, Batman confirmed that most of those victims have been dead for *months.*

[@therecombinant6215]

It would be out of left field if they reimagined the “Three Jokers” storyline.

[@Mr.Brothybear]

oh yea I saw a Comic Dub on that Storyline It was Pretty Interesting, a Bit weird in places but still cool Then again, I havent read or followed many comics soooo

[@theimperialcombine]

I believe the likelihood is a Joker close to that of the Criminal Joker seen in Three Jokers, While its obviously heavily inspired from him due the golden age coat it seems he's wearing but I also believe his personality will be close to that of the older joker we see in that story, I don't see them making it where laughing hurts but if they do then it would be a nice nod. One Thing That I see Guaranteed is this, No Matter What type of Joker we get, No matter If He has a giant grin on a different twisted face or If he'll even Laugh like a manace or is more serious...Gotham Will never be the same Once the Joker makes his big debut to the City. Also as a little correction Joker in the DCAU has killed people with the Joker Venom a decent amount of times and has been viewed as pretty lethal (It didn't kill the victims in laughing fish because Batman had the treatment he needed on him so it wouldn't kill the victims) We have seen Joker take the life of Salvatore Valestra with that same Venom and yes I am aware that is a movie and not something made for a TV show but I think it still applies no matter where, Also In holiday nights Where you have the two Tide up Security personnel While you could argue are just paralyzed I wouldn't put it past joker that He did take the life of those Two Guards.

[@saidi7975]

Yeah, DCAU Joker did kill. The scary thing with him and his 90s comics counterpart is that killing people is hardly a goal for him so he barely Cares if they live or croak... And that adds to his terror.

[@ggbetz]

I like how you tell us you arent making videos of people for the sake of making them (papa midnite, etc). Another great video dude.

[@SerumLake]

I did consider doing a video with the misc characters, Rupert Thorne, Linton Midnite, Anton Knight, Lucius Fox, Waylon Jones, etc. but felt like that’d be pushing it.

[@ggbetz]

@SerumLake you wouldn't be a creative type if you hadn't thought of it.

[@mightymitch2722]

Just wanted thank you, Serum you completely sold me on Caped Crusader. Watched the whole series today. The Clayface episode was probably my favorite.

[@capsjukebox]

I think the Joker won’t smile until he encounters Batman for the first time. Having someone he sees as a worthy opponent bringing the smile we all know.

[@fluffynator6222]

8:16 Telltale actually sis a somewhat sympathetic Joker, especially his vigilante route is basically him trying to go after people Batman won't touch.

[@eggboy13uwu65]

My theory is that joker in the show will start off as dark and brooding and not smiling. But when he meets Batman, He'll start to like him and start to become a more iconic feeling Joker. I'm basically saying that Banman will be the reason why the joker will act like the Joker we know.

[@calebmaybin6896]

Joker uses Joker Venom and Harley Quinn uses Tickle Torture ... Painful Laughter is coming to a Stoic and Serious Gotham one way or another. Still, it'll be interesting to learn if either Harley will be intrigued by someone who can't be bought/corrupted or if the roles will be switched and Harley uses and abuses Joker.

[@tm4everme]

Ive always wanted a show like beware the batman i just dont (personally) love the artstyle so thats why im so exited about CCS2

[@obsidian179]

1:36 That may be because he keeps showing up in EVERY Batman property. He won’t go away! 😂

[@Bobbybillybillbob]

I'd love DiMaggio to return as The Joker! His take in Under the Red Hood was incredible!

[@anothergingeronthetheinternet]

I hope they go for it’s a birth defect in his facials muscles causing his face to be in a permanent grin and smile while also having the conditions that causes you to laugh at inappropriate times

[@andydrew3834]

towards those who doubted Joker ever appearing in the show, I hereby announce that I’ve told you so. But yeah, I’m quite interested in what this take on Mr. J will end up being like and I really look forward to season 2 overall and what it’ll offer to us.

[@DimentiosLoyalest]

7:06 Oh man, imagine if they _did_ have the Red Hood gang, everything went as you'd expect, but as he's falling into the vat of acid, Batman actually saves him and he's arrested normally. Then they introduce the completely unrelated Joker. That would've been wild.

[@LM1984Studios]

I do hope it is John DiMaggio. He is really great as the clown prince of crime.

[@CavemanBatman]

Joker in the cabin, working on the Joker Toxin reminds me of Legends of the Dark Knight #50. He was living in a trailer park, forcing his cousin to make the toxin. It’s certainly an interesting version of Jokers debut

[@dominikdickey4906]

Well, maybe "force" isn't the right word, as Joker wasn't actually holding his cousin there against his will. But he was definitely manipulating him, telling his cousin that if he made the concoction for him he'd pay for his cousins plastic surgery (The Joker's cousin was highly autistic, and his mother was incredibly abusive, telling him that he was hideous even though he very much wasn't).

[@Mr.TwoFaceGuy]

We do know one thing: He will in fact, exist.

[@aidanhever3369]

Heath Ledger's Joker from Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight movie is also based on the Golden Age Batman comics. I guess he's also one of the main inspirations for this version of the character, just without the scars on his face.

[@saidi7975]

Frankly golden age Joker is very similar to Jack Napier before his chemical dip...

[@arandomredarmykomrade9529]

I hope we get a smiling joker (not necessarily silly) joker for the series, I think it would be a bit much to not have a smiling and expressive joker given how somber the rest of the cast is. They could also do a lot to make his smile rather disturbing with the art style they have, and I would hate to see them squander such an opportunity.

[@EchoByrnes]

Honestly I still haven't watched it because I don't know if I can get behind the new Harley. Her arc of breaking free from her abuser always resonated with me

[@raideurng2508]

I highly doubt Harley will have anything to do with the Joker. If anything, she'd probably despise him as despite her wanting to punish evil people, she has a successful career trying to help people.

[@Idk-c3w6q]

I will be so happy if John DiMaggio is the joker

[@hippopharm]

When will you cover the 'Penguin' show on HBO? I think the show is great and I would love to hear your thoughts.

[@SerumLake]

No plans to do specific essays, but I’ve been talking about it on our podcast Totally Schway Flip Side: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5S3Z2hjYsaipJYsi=ldy6p7ORcXoLF3Iz

[@JokerFan-hj4iv]

As soon as I saw the tease at the end it reminded me of how Batman issue 1 described joker’s attributes as having “a smile without mirth”, “changeless mask like face”, “toneless voice”, and “hate filled eyes”. I think it would be pretty creepy to have this joker essentially be Hannibal lector with pale skin and green hair while the laughing all comes from his victims. What if his motive is to force his victims to laugh to death because he’s a cold psychopath that’s resentful that he’s dead inside.

[@CaptainIchimaruGin]

Joker's signature gas is lethal he just also carry one that isn't lethal just for the torture.

[@JoLiKMC]

I'm so glad you mentioned _Beware The Batman._ That show had pretty much none of the expected characters, save for Harvey Dent, and it was still utterly _brilliant._ Very dark, but brilliant. Season 2 was planned to have more "classic" characters, but it's still a work in progress, I suppose. Regardless, I look forward to what comes in this new series. _Anything_ is a step in the right direction compared to _Harley Quinn's_ Joker…

[@Elitedestructfulnoob]

4:56 that’s the best part tho they are teasing you knowing you will like it that’s good because it brings theory’s and other ideas and thinking of a joker with a more toned down expressions no laughs just cold hard murder terrifies me

[@mr.j3rs3y]

10:24 He’s gonna poke someone’s eye out with a nose like that!

[@LowellLucasJr.]

Wonder if this take of Joker will be like John DiMaggio's version from Red Hood? Be cool to see that interpretation in a series!😂🎉

[@jf_kein_k8590]

For another character who has a permanent smile but is still very expressive, see Alastor from Hazbin Hotel.

[@TheKoolman89]

Joker is gonna be the big threat for the next season. Assuming there will be a season 2. It’ll most likely be that there will be a background build up to the finale. A joker who hates openly and outwardly. Something akin to what Frank Miller did for Joker. It’s most likely going to be that Joker’s backstory will also be explored in Season 2.

[@TheRabbitPoet]

ngl, I was extremely disappointed about the Joker showing up at the end of the season since I was under the impression that he wouldn't appear at all (at least for a while) it's gonna take some really drastic changes to sell me on the idea

[@PosthumanHeresy]

8:30 It does make sense with her theme of what she does to them. She assigns them an archetype and turns them into it. Perhaps we have a 50/50 combo of origins. Secret identity crime lord Red Hood (N52) rather than the duped Red Hood (Moore). Then, he ends up her patient. He's got a secret identity because he finds it hilarious to be this big figure of crime but nobody knows who he is. He considers the other crime lords dupes. Most of them are public figures, some pretty brazenly known criminals and some with more of a double life. Him? He takes off the mask and goes back to his normal life. It's just so funny to him. His crimes themselves? He considers them dupes, fools, marks. He enjoys his sense of superiority, he's laughing at them. The Red Hood Gang still uses the dupes method, but he's the real head. He looks at it like a prank. So, she turns him into a clown. She's about turning people into what she sees as their true self, intended as debasement and humiliation. But with him, his true self really is a monster clown, and that's not debasing. It's freeing. She freed the beast. It's like how the comics have more recently indicated that Penguin knows Batman is Bruce Wayne and will kill anyone who solves this and tries to sell it to him, considering it the most important secret to safeguard. Because if you kill Bruce Wayne, all that's left is Batman. And that's _terrifying_ to Penguin. A Batman without the chains of Bruce Wayne is a nightmare creature, an unending war on crime without any identity to keep or downtime. Likewise, the only thing keeping Red Hood One under control was his secret identity, his normal life he could take the mask off and go back to. Without that, all that's left is the clown.

[@BeastOrGod]

Genuinely, I rather they visit more obscure villains and reinvent them in a way that might revolutionize them, the way Mr Freeze and Clayface were forever changed by BTAS. Imagine the more predictable and boring villains like Mad Hatter or Calender Man or Zsasz gets new life as great villains like Mr Freeze and Clayface.

[@LeafseasonMagbag]

“Gwynplaine” actually gets referenced in JLA! The Joker used it for the name of a TV company. I always wondered where the name came from! Also from that episode Batman pointedly tells a TV exec “Gwynplaine is *the Joker*” which we can understand has a double meaning here.

[@shadowknife333]

Honestly, despite what everyone else says about Caped Crusader, I love the show and I look forward to season 2

[@TimeSpinner]

1:40 I was one of those who dunked on Beware The Batman, but then I actually watched it and I adored it.

[@icejackalgodofmetal14]

Oooh This was that thing Victor had me watch on Amazon prime My friend Victor was looking through some stuff we didn't know what to watch one week so he put this on randomly and I got into it I really like clay faces design It was pretty cool reminded me of scarecrow from Batman adventures I probably should continue watching that at some point It does look good

[@chrisleitzel2659]

I do find the permanent grin, but expressive eyes an interesting take. Very curious to see what level of homicidal lunatic he is.

[@kimeraclan3135]

But of course Beware the Batman was disliked for how it treated lesser onown villains! And it wasn't just because the better known villains weren't going to appear (Two-Face was going to appear [and was very similar to Caped Crusader's version] in future seasons). The bigger problem was that none of the villains were like their comic book counterparts. They were stand-ins for the big hitters! Prof. Pyg: Poison Ivy, Magpie: Catwoman, Anarky: Joker.

[@ReshawnFacey-h1l]

I’m sorry, but being able to animate any Batman should be considered an honour and to be able to incorporate the joker into your property is a privilege that you should take advantage of with the most care

[@thehonestaspy102]

I must admit I'm still gutted that Harvey won't be back for S2, Two Face is my favourite villain from the Bat's Rogues Gallery and I loved this incarnation.

[@docweidner]

I think an unsmiling Joker would make an interesting choice.

[@shotgunnsean]

I think The Joker will look like a lot like what looked like in his first apprence ever in the comics back in 1940. He even has the grey bags under his eyes.

[@helioslegigantosaure6939]

I would say perfectionnist.

[@jonathanbarr9764]

To me at least Joker kind of sounds like he's voiced by Erik Todd Dellums who voiced Koh The Face Stealer in the Avatar franchise. This show while not making great use of the classic Batman villains is still using more well known ones compared to Beware The Batman where the most well known villain (until the final episode hinted at Two-Face) was probably Ra's Al Ghul (feel free to say someone else), while the obscure villains used in that show were stand-ins for more well known villains.

[@timezerohour8864]

You have to accept that doing such a big change up with fundamental parts the cast there is going to be a big reaction.

[@hordakprime6172]

I like the idea of him being a mix of Arthur Fleck and the Killing Joke. Essentially having suffered terribly because of society and just wants to burn it all down.

[@waterking74]

"What do we know about the new Joker" Me: *he has a very nice voice and i hope they use this VA again*

[@bmla88]

I always kind of wanted CC to be a more adult version of btas with the tone of episodes on leather wings, heart of ice, two face part 1, and mask of the phantasm based on a kind of year one time line.

[@tillgogum8288]

The Joker toxin in BTAS was lethal! Remember Salvatore Valestra in Mask of the Phantasm? The Joker assassinated him with joker toxin.

[@thomaslozano4135]

Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned "Batman The Man Who Laugh" graphic novel because when I saw that ending, same writer so he might of nod to his own work.

[@jan_loathlove]

I'm not expecting the joker to have a crusade. My immediate theory was that he couldn't smile, and needed to force other people to smile in order the sympathetically feel joy through them. This need became twisted, as he simply isn't a nice enough or funny enough person to do that naturally... so as his mental condition deteriorates with the inability to feel or express joy naturally, he became sick and twisted, and turned to forcing people to smile chemically. I think that he doesn't care that his toxin kills people-it's inconsequential to him. I think that this new Joker still needs to be a force of chaos in Gotham, so the writers will design him so that his attacks are indiscriminate and without purpose other than for fulfilling his immediate personal need. The new joker will be an addict. As his need to smile through other people (even if it tortures and kills them) will give less and less back to him, so he will always be needing to ramp himself up to bigger and worse acts of terrorism to achieve the goal. Bigger gas attacks, and different methods of committing the atrocity. As a result, this new Joker may even develop a reputation as a very connected individual, at least within the sphere of spying and monitoring. He'll have eyes everywhere he can to find the best targets and to watch the misery he causes, which his broken mind mistakes for his own pleasure. In this, he could be Batman's greatest foe, still. He will force the batman to do better detective work, because the joker won't be leaving obvious clues. His crimes will be indiscriminate, and he'll be able to see batman coming or where he's going. Even without the potential for him to be a monitor-type villain, the chaotic nature of his attacks will leave batman reeling for how to solve the problem of the joker.

[@anaj5726]

The permanent smiling Joker reminds me a bit of Alastor from Hazbin Hotel. Whilst he chooses to smile constantly; his eyes do convey his emotions well; but it also leaves us unaware of his true intentions. Nevertheless, the smile-less Joker might be the most fitting for Caped Crusaders' atmosphere and world.

[@ΕυάγγελοςΦώσκολος]

Beware the Batman was the show that introduced me to Batman. I liked it even though the Joker wasn't in it. I guess the writers of CC chose to tease him so the show wouldn't get canceled like BtB.

[@saychaysarchive7065]

(This is all opinion!) I just want a good, interesting Joker. In the last decade I've become so desensitized to him. He's become oversaturated, which wouldn't be a problem if he hadn't also become stale and predictable. The last time I thought someone did something interesting with Joker was in "Scooby-Doo and Guess Who", where he dresses up as Man-Bat to kidnap Alfred and steal Bruce Wayne's bank account. That's not even that good but it was a refreshing change of pace since everything after "The Brave and The Bold" and "Arkham City" wasn't my thing

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

It's a peak show

[@jaohonaxa]

My issue with Beware the Batman just that the left Joker out, but that they left Joker out and basically tried to turn Anarky into him. His personality, his schemes, the way he interacted with Batman, I admit that I don't know too much about how Anarky was in other iterations, but it just felt so apparent that they were trying to have a Joker without making him the Joker.

[@WobblesandBean]

I get why some people's expectations were let down, but we already have BTAS. It's wonderful, and they should go watch it again if they want more of the same. I don't like some of the changes CC has made, but I love that they're embracing both the classic Batman as well as doing something completely new.

[@fnafbendyranger123x]

I hope when they introduce joker, they give him and Batman a real reason to be arch enemies, cuz that’s what I always felt was off. It felt like every iteration of their rivalry was just because DC said so, I mean look at other hero/villain rivalries, Optimus and megatron, two bots who wanted to bring change but fell out due to conflicting ways on handling it and megatron thinking prime betrayed him. Flash and reverse flash/ professor zoom, the same man who killed flash’s mother. Spider man and green goblin, the goblin caused spidey to accidentally kill Gwen to save her. But Batman and joker? Where’s the real reason for their rivalry? Where’s the leverage? I hope that season 2 will help with that.

[@l0stndamned]

I hope the Joker doesn't become too prominent in the series once he appears. As interested as I am in seeing the new take on him I'm much more interested in seeing some of the less-frequently used villains.