What Does 'Action Combat' Mean?

[@icewyrm]

Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Couple of points I'd like to put forward in response though: 1. Although guild wars2 has tab targeting, I believe (off the top of my head, I haven't done a strict number count) that the majority of abilities can actually be dumb fired. There are a number of situations where you can use projectile attacks at greater than (targeted) maximum range, or use attacks on stealthed enemies (for example) which you wouldn't otherwise be able to use if you have to target the enemy first. This can also be useful in PVP where people tend to try to dodge inside your model in order to cancel attack animations, even if the animation still would have hit them because you rotated your character to attack (if you use the skill untargeted you will hit them after their dodge roll instead of missing and putting the skill on short cooldown). 2.There are some classes/weapon combinations in guild wars 2 which have a lot of movement built into them. Ranger sword/dagger is a notable one here, with built in chasing and evasion, backwards and forwards leaping and a flanking attack. Or take an engineer running rifle/elixer gun/rocket shoes - you can jump into attack, jump back out, and then jump back in again when it best suits. There are quite a few other examples but I just wanted to note that a number of movement skills and movement orientated weapons do exist. 3.The use of positioning skills is arguably less important in guild wars 2 in pve overall than it is in PVP. But there are various situations where using the right movement skill at the right time is also critically important in GW2 PVE, either in combat or as part of certain encounter mechanics. 4.You seem to have used one of the most mobile/movement focused classes in Tera as an example, which is fine since you were looking for something on the extreme end of the spectrum. But it is probably good to keep in mind that this IS at the extreme end of the spectrum for Tera, and that while the other classes have their own types of mobility they don't really compare to the warrior in the way they play. There have been some other games which change your attacks depending on the direction you are pushing when you execute the attack and which part of the attack chain you are in, or allow you to combo different attacks together as different chains. I think these kinds of mechanics can also make MMO combat more fun. Unfortunately they also have the side affect of making lag an even greater factor, so depending on your location this can be something of a double edged sword.

[@macgyverthediver5250]

Random, but 10 years after this video is made I find myself referencing it still almost every time I'm in a Tab Target/Action Combat discussion. This is a great resource!

[@Drake_DSG]

ThomasB from Crowfall made me watch this. community.crowfall.com/index.php?/topic/3186-my-issue-with-certain-tera-combat-mechanics/?p=81207

[@acolyterush]

You can read the Warrior guide for more info. Pounce is the skill being used, which has a hitbox that extends slightly to the side and behind of the player (does fit with the sword swing, just looks wierd), making it ideal for that specific use. While the crab's hitbox extends out to its claws and legs. The important part is that this is consistant and based on the interaction of hitboxes moving in the world, not simply an animation which plays after the server decides you've dealt damage.

[@hudzell]

"This is what it looks like instead big number for a crit on your user interface they do combat feedback through the anmiation of hitting something really hard in the face with a giant hammer." lmao

[@al3zmi]

I just reached 65 in tera and i'm not so sure if i will continue playing it

[@hishamjalal9078]

"Attacking in WoW feels solid and satisfying" Thats the joke of the year there.

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

WoW combat is RESPONSIVE, not "solid". I think WoW has the second-best MMO combat and the best tab target combat out right now. BDO holds the combat title by a mile.

[@leshie687]

@@CyberneticArgumentCreator don't forget GW2. :3

[@nvsammy]

Agreed 100% with everything you said. You should try to get yourself a Blade & Soul account, mate. In terms of combat, it's somewhere on the line between GW2 & Tera, using your examples. In terms of every other type of system, it's an extremely polished experienced. Their UI, character creation, in-game social system, in-game screenshot managers, broker, questing, dialog, talent system, and tutorial systems are all uniquely superb to the genre.

[@pkWreck]

Been keeping an eye on Ashes of Creation?

[@acolyterush]

Paying more attention to New World currently.

[@acolyterush]

I'm surprised you're the first to pick up on that, as I didn't use that control scheme when I actively played TERA, I used to flick the camera 180 to do that. It's the gamepad 'attack in facing direction' option. I'm not using a gamepad, but by plugging a gamepad in you're able to access an option which allows you to choose the direction of all of your attacks by pressing directional controls and a button at the same time, which then works with mouse+KB. I got used to it in Vindictus.

[@xenoblad]

This is a great video and I think I learned much about myself. I think the main reason why I've always felt uncomfortable in combat for GW2 and terra is because I don't actually want action combat, even though I did at the time. I actually like the combat system(whatever it's called) in wow because it's less action oriented. I can see why someone like yourself and others who are into action combat would deviate away from WoW. I'd love to hear about your thoughts on Wildstar.

[@ThorDog81]

Just wondering, what part of the footage at 9m mark contradicted anything about his comments on wow? You can see the weapons passing through the crab and the crabs attacks missing his character. In wow he would have been hit every time but in tera he was missed by all of the attacks because he was not there. Pretty sure you are just trolling for attention with nothing to back you up.

[@archkyle]

would you consider neverwinter to have more similar combat to gw2 or tera? or perhaps completely unique? i've always felt it was a sort of combination of the two.

[@KT-ti9bk]

I think its more like gw2 with the lock on mechanic being what ever is near the dot. I would of enjoyed that game but the world seemed stacked ontop itself and pointless. Progression seemed boring. Give me a good mmo with out the level grind or bullshit quests and i will glady pay a monthly fee. No more kill x 10 times quests ever!!

[@avoidblueooze]

I'm surprised he didn't mention neverwinter

[@ikeblade1]

In Tera, how is it you're able to aim your attacks independent of you camera facing? For example, you use Rising Fury to move to the left or right, but your camera is facing forward. When I use Rising Fury, no matter what direction my character is facing, the attack always moves in the direction of my camera :/ i can't seem to find an option to change this.

[@acolyterush]

This is an option for Gamepads that you can enable by going into the controller menu. You then chuck the pad and use a mouse+KB with unlocked aiming.

[@ikeblade1]

Ah, no wonder I couldn't find it. Thanks Edit: For those who don't have access to a controller, you can use Vjoy virtual joystick. Google it, pick the headsoft website link. At the bottom of the page, download the one that says (Includes key to joy application), install it, go to system tray, right-click the icon, and open it. Set "button 9" to a free key (i use = ), that'll be your "select" key that brings up controller options.

[@elementzeroable]

I felt the same way lv'd all classes to end just because of the variations in combat in TERA which was unique and felt like i was a part of the fight instead of watching it. If you find any similar games out there i would ask you up a vid maybe show casing some aspects of it for people like myself. Great vid btw :)

[@RamyAmr.m]

@acolyterush So it's been almost 10 years now (I still remember watching this video a decade ago). Has it saved you 200 hours worth of pointless internet arguments in the end? :P

[@MrHadane]

Saved for me.

[@iaintgivinyoumahname5861]

It's depressing to see that this gem of a video has less than 4,000 views...

[@edzebes]

Yeah, but a single step away mechanic is quite different from the Warrior's ability to chain attacks for movement. The two-handeed classes and tanks felt very non-mobile, while most of the ranged classes had an escape move, but were turrets otherwise.

[@Krevra]

great warrior gameplay and great vid, def got me thinking more about the differences in action combat games

[@MikeAndersson]

I know some of the mmos in this clip GW and Tera but whats the other very good looking? :O 0:14

[@beaniecrab7597]

What do you guys think is the best MMO to play right now, in general?

[@FlippingNinjaFtw]

MMO's are dead.

[@MrArthoz]

Try Wildstar.

[@FlippingNinjaFtw]

MrArthoz While the telegraphs were nice and all it didn't even have the fluidity / smooth use of tera. And tera is already a bad MMO to begin with even with it's relatively good combat mechanics. You shouldn't play a game just because it has telegraphs, that's not a core mechanic,it's extra fluff that's nice to have on top of an already good game. Which Wildstar sadly isn't.

[@Tyler000106]

ESO

[@MrArthoz]

+immanuel ericson What u said is so true. Did some more search and trial. Already bought guild wars 2 heart of thorns expansion during recent 50% discount. The world is so big after a week I still haven't left the starting zone. Found out they have level downscale function so high level player could still enjoy low level zone. No more one hit kill. The heartbeat generated quest and no requirement to seek quest giver.. Yep I'm hooked. So much game content It'll months or weeks or maybe a year before I could do stuff with my guild....for now in a daze of exploration. Also gw2 have f2p option with some restrictions. But like me after a while playing f2p, at the first chance of discount i get the full membership.....and no monthly subscriptions....the only reason I don't go into wow.

[@AlexEbersberger]

I agree 100%, when you find a game with TERA combat but an actually good game please let me know :D

[@jordanJohnn]

same here!

[@erminsabic4873]

Dragon's Prophet, Continent of the 9th Seal, Neverwinter, Everquest NEXT ( I think ), Dragon Nest.

[@ANDELE3025]

Alex Ebersberger Make that GW2 combat without invul frames on dodge, but just damage reduction, so that instead of 90% of the skills being animation locked, only 5% of em are meaning no feast or famine shit.

[@itsprudhvirazz]

there is some new MMO called New World, check it out. came here from NW

[@Xo1ot1]

You hit the nail on the head there, a few times. Combat feedback in WoW was actually pretty good, and playing TERA as an ex-WoW gamer you have to get used to the new possibilities. The sense of hitting in TERA is also unmatched, which is why I never had more fun in a starter area than in TERA's, despite it being way too easy. P.S.: Gotta give props again for finishing a fight in GW2 with no damage taken, which is almost impossible.

[@Astor4o]

Can I use your video in arguments? :D Also I bloody loved the "movement via abilities" part. I mained a lancer and it was awesome that the game have me smaller mobility during animation which made me FEEL heavy, FEEL like a tank which was rather curious and I had to be VERY careful when using my skills. Anyway great video and I completely agree :D

[@Cannon952]

What's the music in the background at 7:30?

[@sev13sev]

Interesting breakdown on MMO combat. Thanks for creating this.

[@bladewolfvii6383]

+acolyterush i know you made a guide for the warrior in terra, but i can´t view it in germany because of copyrights, law, and so on. so i wan´t to ask you: which skills are you using for moving around? or are you using all of them?

[@LeonedeBeaumont]

+bladewolf VII the skill used when he does a slash dash-like skill is the Fury Strike. The jumping one using both swords is Pounce.

[@dvessel]

Someone has to get you a beta for Black Dessert Online. Gameplay is more like Vindictus (or C9) and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

[@OrganicJKW]

All classes in TERA have mobility specific mechanics. He mostly showed the Warrior which is arguably THE most mobile class. Mystics have teleports forward, Archers, Priests, and Sorcs have leap backs, Lancers and Berzerkers have the least amount of mobility but they also can simply block attacks with their weapons and/or have solid skills that often knock down mobs, so mobility is less of an issue. Slayers have a tumble forward (and a leap back). So, yes. Mobility is available on every class.

[@JohnSmith-bh3vg]

what is the wow addon that allows you to change your health bar and hide your portrait? ??

[@aruzail]

8:38 explains perfectly why I don't like MMOs like WoW at all...

[@acolyterush]

I see, clearly my reply was more respectful than it should have been.

[@KT-ti9bk]

I don't think massive movement should be apart of the overall dodge mechanic. If I had to play Tera that hardcore and focused for an hour I wouldn't want to return too it for sometime. I also think you should talk about your ideal action combat system.

[@Vonatar74]

Really enjoyed this vid and some great footage to make your points.

[@polkunus]

This is grossly disingenuous argument. You're hitting a level 6 scorpion outside of ogrimmar. Wow's combat is a lot more methodical. Movement isnt entirely fluff, you cant dodge/parry/block when you're not facing a target, there are dead zones, you cant cast in someone's face. Movement has less meaning in WoW because its not as reactionary compared to Tera. I prefer the former because I like rpg mechanics more than the hack n slash gameplay that action rpgs bring which eventually becomes spamming abilities, running mobs down and dodging basic telegraphs. If I wanted to play an action hack n slash, I rather play metal gear revengence, they're just totally different combat systems.

[@Merlin19783]

It seems a rare thing in the gaming industry where a person says it how it is, not how they perceive or wish it to be. This video is bob on and strips back all the bollocks we hear about MMO combat. I too have been wishing fork MMOs to leave the stagnant state they've been in and become dynamic, ie if you swing a sword and miss, you miss. I hope soon we will see arms and legs being lopped off goblins in real time and huge attacks carving trees down etc (like in EQN). The problem is there are lots of players who fear these changes because that means the system they've been coveting for the past ten years is gone and they need to learn a new one, scary shit :) Excellent video, maybe you should become a game developer mate?

[@andreidan213]

whats the 2nd game from begining...??? the one fro 20 seconds...

[@Flashbatninja]

Vindictus

[@KT-ti9bk]

The issue with combat like Tera is that it leads to running in circles and dodging with attacks. The combat is also so fast, just wish i could find a smite style mmorpg with limited spells that allows for deep customization.

[@NLwino]

This video really explains the differences in combat very well. Although I wouldn't say combat in Tera is "better" then in WOW. It's different and it's great that more and more of these type of games come out. But I don't see it as a complete replacement of the WOW type of games, there will still be people that like target selecting games better. Just as there are people that like TBS better than RTS. Some people like to chill when playing a game.

[@LeonedeBeaumont]

+NLwino i liked your statement but saying wow combat is good, i have to disagree with that. ^^

[@beaniecrab7597]

Modern MMO's are integrating more mechanics and flashy gameplay that makes more sense. When WOW was first released this type of gameplay was not possible. In my opinion the modern style is much more enjoyable, immersive and fun that the WOW mechanics. Comparing these games is wrong as they are from very different times in video gaming. However, if people was a more casual fighting experience they should go play hearthstone.

[@hishamjalal9078]

WoW combat is just lazy. Not fun and engaging at all

[@KazPLAYGaming]

true words my friend....i hope in the future we will have more mmos like this....and break the level/gear barriers through pure skill.

[@Ryuoinsomnia]

May I know what is the 2nd game???the one with long swords

[@Flashbatninja]

Not sure if you still want to know, but its Vindictus

[@Mightfox]

Is there an MMO that uses action combat and still has the trinity without making personal movement rather irrelevant in PvE aside from "dont stand in the fire"(and thus removing depth)?

[@ShruteshKumar]

Only 2 reasons that TERA is the only MMO I play. Combat and combat animations.. no other MMOs seem to get those right...

[@elihuclark-el4143]

well neverwinter is up there i think

[@Amfibios]

Shrutesh Kumar some ppl are playing for the combat, some others for the rpg part. tera didn't give me the rpg feel and there's other mmos like vindictus or single player games with better action combat.

[@George-cs6wq]

Xeno Blade Chronicals has the same mechanics as wow when the enemy is high enough a level, like I will be really far away from one and it will OHKO me with a swipe of its claw.

[@SaioTV]

You try to put words into my mouth. I said that your attempt on comparing is failing - and that's a fact. I never tried to start a discussion here.

[@acolyterush]

If you wanted an indepth discussion on the topic, then a KZbin comment isn't the place to find it. The video wasn't supposed to be a TERA review, although clearly i've kicked a hornets nest with a couple of lines of text in the middle there. I enjoy TERA's combat more than that of any similar MMO on the market, and yet I don't play it anymore, and I have my reasons for that.

[@bladewolfvii6383]

you have just shown me something. I am playing terra in a complete wrong way. i mean, i knew it is action based and a bit more fast paced, but i never used my attacks to get out of the way. i always tried to use the dodge move with the annoying cooldown.

[@LeonedeBeaumont]

+bladewolf VII there are many ways on how you can avoid/dodge/evade enemy attacks aside from anticipating then moving out. yes it is correct to use appropriate skills as an escape mechanism since dodging has cd/uses either mana/resolve. it's like using those skills to juke/fake enemy champs in LoL. it's a matter of how you incorporate your skills in the combat system but you can learn more once you do pvp and asking good pvpers/pvers tips in game to help you out. :)

[@andysokayi]

How were you able to use Pounce backwards at 9:40?

[@beastyrs2890]

which mmo was that you showd second?

[@Nathiest2]

WoW is more chill gameplay which is why I use to always liked paying it after a long hard day at work.

[@dvessel]

Yeah, uhm. I meant Black Desert. Typing no work from iPhone.

[@pajarillo2723]

I love TERA for it's combat system, it's really fun and satisfying. The main problem with TERA is the oversexualized characters. The gender lock is ridiculous, in order to be some of the best classes in TERA you either have to be a naked woman or a 12 year old naked girl. That's sad. Still fun to play.

[@JoeHalcyon]

Welcome to Asian MMOs

[@SpinyHead5]

anyone can recommend me any action combat mmorpg with low requirements? alguien puede recomendarme algun mmorpg action combat, de bajos recursos?

[@princevegeta9763]

+Ryblaths DC Universe, DC universe and DC universe

[@LeonedeBeaumont]

+Ryblaths dragon nest

[@madhavsingh7345]

blade and soul?

[@roaserameuhlcacaciel6379]

Wath is the game at 0:15 please ?

[@acolyterush]

lord Cyrius That's Vindictus. Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jInQhaSeebN3ppY

[@roaserameuhlcacaciel6379]

Ok thanks !! And super video !

[@Visigoth_]

🤘😃 I share your love for MMO Action Combat! (it's like putting some "Fighting Game" mechanics in my "MMO" is so tasty!)

[@edzebes]

Are we sure that everything in GW2 is a just a conal aoe attack? It wouldn't seem it should be so reliable to sidestepped attacks if they were conal to such a degree. Also, GW2 dungeons are good, but the bosses are (mostly) not. Basic encounter-to-encounter combat makes fights interesting and active. Simple boss designs take away from that. And do Tera classes other than Warrior and Archer really have the same mobility? My experience with the other melee classes was less than compelling.

[@RedEyesRequiem]

C9 had the best action combo, but hackers gold sellers and lack of support ruined the game for me after they robbed me..

[@Amfibios]

Dio Brando yes! C9 used to be my favorite game when it was released, combo based action combat with cool pvp... now if u login all u see is a stale game, webzen not giving a fuck and the chat taken over by gold sellers. so much potential gone to waste...

[@acolyterush]

I think you just need a bit of love and affection.

[@LiamScorzafava]

Whats the name of the last game shown?

[@TheHooy]

The only thing i dont like about Tera is that it is P2W and the ultimate goal is to get the best gear, which will take you about a year to craft if you dont buy a monthly subscription. So u either end up paying huge amount of money to get the best gear in 2-3 months if u have a good party which will let you take the materials dropped in dungeons, or you spend a year of your life getting the gear and then the devs bring out new best gear and u have to grind again. And after u get the gear there is nothing more to do.

[@acolyterush]

EQN is at a far earlier stage of development than people seem to acknowledge, you really can't put it in the same category as TESO. So far there is nothing to show other than an impression of their visual style, and a lot of talk about vague design concepts that may possibly make it into a retail game at some point. Their world builder is on the way, but i'm guessing the game itself is perhaps 3 years off. I don't know enough about Black Desert to comment on that, and haven't played it.

[@menacingfox]

In games like guild wars 2 you strife and back step but in a real action games you push in a direction and face and attack in that direction,this is the real difference between the 2 combat systems.I personally dislike strife and back step combat because I like to switch between enemies around me by pushing in there direction then to scroll the camera around to hit them.

[@Nyctosuba]

One game I hope has action combat instead of hotkey spamming is Everquest Next. The game looks amazing and I bet a solid combat system where you have to HIT the enemy would make it gold. Now, I heard it slows down the server on multiplayer, but here is my solution: If you want multiplayer, your restricted to the hotkeys so the server doesn't go crazy. but if you want ACTION combat, play in a singleplayer server! it's the same game, just different combat system and no other players.

[@calint123]

I love your video. You actually motivate me to play Tera now but there's just 1 problem with what you've said... Tera sacrifices free movement during attacks in order to achieve a meaning and purpose for every ability in terms of movement. GW2 strikes a great balance where abilities can move you while there's still abilities that you use while running freely. BDO just... does that times 10, but no one really takes BDO seriously for PvP anymore.

[@GenericName007]

If Tera had taken the time to actually add some content to their game it would probably be the top MMO right now. To me Tera has the best combat system of any MMO out right now. Some of the classes could be better but the system in general is very solid. I put some decent time in to that game when it went free but you can only do so many kill quests before it just gets stale.

[@zbarrett3459]

Every WOW player SHOULD watch this and wake up.

[@NvrPs]

OMG 3:37 that jukes

[@Xo1ot1]

I came here for the video, but I stay for the comments :D

[@The_Conundrum_Crew]

Great video! I wish more mmorpg games used action combat like how it is in this video. 11:28 is the most important point of all!

[@idioticfreek]

would like to say that it's actually not that impressive as he doesn't spend any of the time attacking from the rear which is why warriors are good vs bams

[@acolyterush]

Fun times for people who aren't sure who this is - There's a message for him at 9:06

[@acolyterush]

Well I could go for a nice gateaux right now.

[@ThorDog81]

If i could get Tera combat with GW2 quests and EQ tradeskills and content i would never play another game.

[@ElyOnGamin]

what's the name of the 2nd game

[@itsame32]

Your Tera warrior is amazing, pity you stopped playing

[@NjoyMoney]

@04:54 beeing mobile in WoW is a huge deal, unless you want to get trained by melee classes, not in the same sense as Gw2 but its still extremly important and you said "this movement is entirely meaningless"

[@ChrisTeamProdigy]

+Njoy32Gaming I doubt the poster of this video has much experience in higher level PVP... I mean, they're clicking their skills (assuming this is footage of OP, which I realize now it may not be.....)

[@acolyterush]

+ChrisTeamProdigy The WoW crowd has a skewed perspective on this if they don't have much experience elsewhere. On a macro scale, your movement in WoW in terms of who you're in range of, whether you're LOS'ing behind a pillar etc does matter, but any smaller scale movements do not have impact in the way they have in other games. I've run flags in CPMA CTF, running through people for Rogue backstabs isn't exactly something I struggle with. If you're watching me mouse click the Hemmorage... It's because it's clearer in a video for me to move my mouse pointer over something and visibly click it. I haven't played WoW seriously in a long time but if you care about my PvP experience then you might recognise the tabard the character is wearing. It's this one: www.wowhead.com/item=19160/contest-winners-tabard

[@bladewolfvii6383]

+Njoy32Gaming stop crying

[@potter695]

acolyterush at 6:20 you put the disclaimer that tera is a rubish MMO could you amybe give me a short comment or even make a video why you think this is?

[@killadomain]

Nice warrior gameplay.Tera

[@moosecat00]

Personally I'm not a fan of TERA, I've always found that the game had extremely floaty combat, that as you demonstrated, the "business end" of a weapon does NOT need to connect with an enemy. Where as when you showcase Vindictus, notice how your Tumult blade doesn't deal full damage when executed improperly. I don't know how to explain it, but TERA's combat system has existed in mmo's since 2003, or at least that's when I was First Introduced to RYL. A game in which using as your described, these "AoE hitboxes" simulated something that no one had really seen within the genre before. It was great for what it was, but ultimately it was mismanaged and because of it, they were sued into oblivion and the game was forced to be restructured because of it. I simply don't see TERA as being on the same Tier of combat design as Vindictus, it's too outdated for me.

[@GenericName007]

Well Tera is not going to bury any MMO, it's not a great game as a whole I simply like the combat system. I also think there's room in the market for both types of systems. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't enjoy needing to be so active all the time or they just grew up with the "traditional" system so they don't want anything else. Far as what is "action combat" my own opinion is simply a system that allows 1 to 1 to 1 from key press, animation and hit and blows go where you aim

[@VeryMelonCB]

Neverwinter's combat is somewhere between WoW and GW2 in terms of how bad it is.

[@Randlolify]

Not trying to fire shots. Wait for Blade and Soul. It is a optimized better than Tera. Quests, gearing and end game is all there. Still only Korean.

[@yulithecreator6889]

whats the first game ?

[@madhavsingh7345]

tera

[@GenericName007]

I love action combat systems. I find it very hard to play WoW style combat MMO's now, very boring for me, glad that a lot of the new MMO's are going in the action combat direction. The Old Republic would have been so sweet if they had adopted an action combat system...Lightsabers!!

[@acolyterush]

Its failings are everything other than the combat. All of the game elements normally associated with MMORPGs: Questing, crafting, gearing, end game progression, are all weak compared to the behemoth that is WoW. I enjoyed combat in the game while the limited content lasted, and if you haven't played it then I would still recommend trying it just for the combat. But don't expect a polished western MMO.

[@Archreonum]

The big problem I have with Guild Wars 2 is how nearly everything is about Kiting. Tera has some really nice Blocking mechanics, and the tight-hitboxes are an astronomical step up from GW2 in that regard. That being said, I agree Tera is rubbish as an MMO, despite having the closest to my ideal combat style I've seen so far. There's a major flaw in the Tera-style combat, however - while it works well in 1v1, the moment there is more than 1 player on one side it becomes boring. Lacking an interesting rotation, if you find yourself free to nuke (i.e: someone is tanking for you), you will for the most part just spam your most effective skill(s) nonstop. Deodric Buchanan the concept that you only like what you're good at is fallacy, and what he shows in the video isn't bad gameplay.

[@pexist88]

real time combat vs turn-based combat

[@MaethorDerien]

The problem is very few people want to play that kind of action combat as a main game. There is a reason why WoW, ESO, and FFXIV are all the top most populated games. It comes down to the fact that action combat is just too stressful. It is fun in short bursts, but the amount of focus you already have in endgame content is already huge, you don't want that all the time. You look at these games and you have these bursts of focus and then these laid back sections in between. You get this short 90% intensity gameplay and then you get a much larger block that of sub 30% intensity gameplay killing trash. It prevents players from getting burned out. In action combat you end up with this 90% intensity all the time when you try to do any content. Even look at your single player RPGS like skyrim. You have action combat, but that is separated out by the travel and talking. Your still spending the majority of your time at the lower intensity points with intense combat then you do more other aspects in the middle. Until an action game gets the intensity aspect nailed down I don't see action combat ever becoming big in an MMO. I don't think action combat will work until we get more VR players. It actually works amazingly well in VR because of the real time aspect, it slows down gameplay so the intensity is actually not as stressful but still somehow manages to feel even more intense than the insanely fast pace of a game like tera.

[@blobfish7075]

All MMOs should have combat systems close to dark souls.

[@uHasioorr]

I would love to have at least one.

[@Aesieda]

Blobfish King Or monster hunter.

[@MashMaloCircus]

Path of exile？

[@FTW1230]

rejoice: monster hunter worlds (if you dont have a ps4 then youll have to wait)

[@calint123]

No. WoW's PvP in previous xpacs was legendary for a reason. Having to watch your footing and enemy's footing in arenas while reacting with the right abilities has its own intensity. MMORPGs have worked that way from the get go and shouldn't disappear.

[@rekumarul8577]

you explain pretty good

[@dividedreality9708]

Skyforge= You can't dodge for shit. All you can do is have "better" gear and kill an enemy first.

[@alexrowe9638]

Well done video.

[@kardelenkoc9746]

which of these games has eu sever??? swordsman online archeage dragon sword mabinogi 2 arena asker (p. black sheep) blade & soul black desert kritika

[@Battlehummel]

Great video Acolyte, if only the Muppet's would listen and do less Tab 1234 Tab 1234 Tab 1234. Still we can enjoy these things more with less muppets annoying us :D

[@adgato75]

That leap away at 9:36 still did damage to the enemy even though you were pointed completely away and not near it. So while your points about dodging and small hitboxes seem good from a player standpoint , they don't seem to apply to the enemies in TERA. If that is the case, it isn't as skillful as it seems you are making it sound.

[@banyentertainment]

totally agree and it is one of the reasons Warhammer: Online was so rubbish, the animation and combat was very odd and not satisfying at all

[@acolyterush]

Of the games with more interesting combat that are currently available, it's difficult to recommend any of them as a long term 'Home' MMO, however they are all worth a poke as a curiosity, just for the gameplay. If you're looking for a social world that could support a gaming group and is likely to provide long term content updates and enjoyable, replayable end game, then the next notable game on the horizon is Wildstar. Just don't expect TERA combat out of that.

[@runamonk]

Brilliant.

[@boomer4666]

check out monster hunter. its combat is very dynamic