“What Happened???” - Rich Eisen on Why Russell Wilson & Seahawks Couldn’t Work Things Out in Seattle

Rich Eisen ponders why Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll couldn’t work things out after their long run of success together with the Seattle Seahawks.
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[@michaelf.bender3718]

"I'm just here so I don't get fined"-Marshawn Lynch. That will be my memory from this Seahawks team!

[@DeCurtaRican]

That was one of the reasons he didn’t get the play-call at the end of SB49. It hurt the team and led to that disaster. 😡

[@YouTube.Algorithmic.Nonsense]

I remember hearing 3-4 years ago that Wilson was starting to rub guys the wrong way - specifically bitching about his OL and always saying what HE needed. I think it goes deeper than that. The problem is Carroll, his ancient philosophy, and the continued bad drafts.

[@ToneRetroGaming]

💯

[@speaklife7333]

no that's not true they love Russell Wilson, everybody knows he had terrible o-lines for years, some from the super bowl era like defense players had a problem because of Beast mode

[@19EHF]

He had every right to bitch about the O-Line. Its been terrible for years nobody wants to be the next Andrew Luck (who was drafted in the same year as wilson). You don't protect or put good pieces around your franchise QB dont be mad when he ask for a trade or complains publicly

[@nickcoker4293]

Dude Russell Wilson is nothing but positive energy - what u just said is complete bullshit, sorry

[@vivifan5850]

@@ToneRetroGaming >

[@allensaunders449]

That atrocious call in the Superbowl destroyed the whole team to this day

[@ToddWaters_tw]

😀😀

[@jasonlyle4113]

@Greg Moore Pete was holding him back because they constantly whiff in the draft every year and haven't been able to build a team around him. Russ has been carrying the Seahawks for years. Good Luck winning games without your Hall of Fame Qb. Lol 😆

[@jasonlyle4113]

@Greg Moore I'm a Rams fan so I know alot about the Seahawks because we play twice every season and sometimes in the playoffs. The only reason the Seahawks have been relevant the last 5 or 6 years is because of Russ. It is hard to win in this league without an excellent Qb. I know all about this because I suffered through the Jared Goff years and he wasn't good enough to win it all. This year we get Stafford and first year he wins the Superbowl. Your not going anywhere without a legitimate QB. Russ is the reason the Seahawks have been relevant and without him you guys are going to 5-12 every year until you get someone legit. I know all about this all too well. The Seahawks are finished without a great Qb. Good Luck with that.

[@throwdowninolytown]

@Greg Moore Allen isn’t wrong. The interception broke the team because Carroll and Wilson both stood by the decision. Marshawn Lynch told it true when he said the NFL didn’t want him to be the MVP. The game winning call was given to the young franchise QB to help bolster his legacy. The defense dominated the narrative and this was his moment to step out of his game managing reputation. All the Seahawks had to do was tell the truth Monday, say it was a hero call for Wilson and he blew it.

[@jasonlyle4113]

@Greg Moore Proving what point? The Seahawks are not going anywhere without a Qb period. Russ was the reason you have been relevant without him your finished. You cannot won big in the NFL without a top flight Qb. You had one and trade him away for some picks. Have fun finishing last in the NFC West next season. Pete and Schneider have been whiffing in the draft for years and Russ kept you relevant. Seahawks are officially the worst team in the division now. Lol 😆

[@carlhicksjr8401]

I'm a lifelong Seahawks, from the very beginning in 1976. Here's what happened with the 'Hawks. Pete Carroll is too old to adapt his coaching to a throw first offense. Boom. Done.

[@khard9000]

@Greg Moore 🤣🤣🤣

[@swirvinbirds1971]

Same and totally disagree. They tired the 'let Russ cook' and it didn't work. It led to an offense that would repeatedly go 3 and out while Russ would keep looking for a deep ball. Russ didn't want to play within the system anymore. Russ said Pete has his way of winning and I have mine. That's not going to work. I think the Hawks made the right choice in letting him go. Aging QB who is limited in what he does who is asking for a silly big payday. Let Denver figure out if they want to sell out the organization or if Russ is happy not making the playoffs yet alone a Superbowl after this season. I think Denver is at best the 3rd best team in their division.

[@DeCurtaRican]

Boom!

[@icetroll734]

You old. Boom.

[@NormanNorthman]

Greatest quarterback in Seahawks history. He will be missed. As a Seahawks fan, this is the first time in a long time I’ve been excited about the draft. That being said, I’m not expecting any big fix or anything incredible to happen next season. It’s rebuilding time.

[@YoungLiam74]

Could end up with d watt never know! End of the day it was time for seattle. Reset and rebuild and get back in there.

[@brainhakker7133]

Matt Hassleback retires a while ago . But yeah , I still miss him too :-)

[@bsbllclown]

Trade for Minshew, we can suck and still have fun!

[@hooikaika69]

I no longer expect anything as long as Pete and John are still with the team. Shitty drafts, trades, and free agent signings have killed us for several years now.

[@EricDavis-iw7hj]

Rich Eisen this is 100% money issue, how I know this? Because John Schneider is cheap every single Superstar that has made it from Seattle left because 1: they had a serious injury and 2 they wanted more money . Russ wanted 40 million but Schneider wasnt buyin it, russ literally said I want to win 3 more Super bowls in Seattle, he was staying and so was wagner, what does Schneider do? The unthinkable. says I not going to pay you russ. I thk russ is mad and heartbroken, cause before he went to get money and talked to pete he was staying. I heartbroken cause russ is my role model I a seahawks fan too but Schneider is awful. He needs to leave

[@Soundafek]

Pete just nailed his own coffin trading Russ..

[@Unknown17]

Yep.

[@derski87]

Pete should have gone instead of Russ.

[@LdyVder]

Pete's not the GM. Just the head coach.

[@Unknown17]

@@LdyVder He might as well be the GM, because they have given him all the power and basically do whatever he says.

[@Lavolpeengreece]

I’ll remember them as not running the ball in from the one yard line

[@the_art_of_leisure]

Same. I would have fired Pete right then and there if I owned the team.

[@rogeromance]

YEAH THE NEXT WORST CALL;NOW THE WORST ONE TRADING RUSS WAS CRAZY.

[@misterbigglesworth6852]

It was second down, the clock was running, and Seattle had one time out left. A pass play was the right call. The receiver (Lockette) ran a lazy route and Wilson's throw was high. A throw like that must be down, just encase the ball would not be batted up. If Seattle ran the ball and was stopped, a timeout would have been called. Guaranteeing 3rd down being a pass play. No team wants to be that position. Belichick was a genius for letting the clock run and make the other team panic.

[@noledrkanvich7544]

@@misterbigglesworth6852 belicheat was a genius - f off...that game was the biggest nfl rig job of the century....both teams were practicing that play for the entire two weeks leading up to the game

[@dialecticalmonist3405]

What's ironic about this, is that Russell Wilson left BECAUSE Pete Carroll is a conservative, run-first coach, who held him back.

[@matt75hooper]

There was no overcoming the greatest blunder in sports history. It's with you every minute.

[@listenstupid]

Ya there is. Fire Pete.

[@PatootysManyMisadvetures]

These are sad times to be a Seahawks fan. They get rid of the best QB our franchise has ever had and our greatest defensive player our franchise has ever had. 🥺

[@garycollier6950]

Cortez Kennedy is the greatest defensive player the Seahawks ever had.

[@normalisntcomingback.Jesusis]

Once you see 🐎 🐔 🔒 in action you will forget all about russ trust that... 🐎 🐔 🔒 horse cock lock baby..drew lock will be good just watch..

[@imthesnakeking]

@@garycollier6950 I think I'd go Wagner, Easley, then Kennedy. I prefer Bobby because I've been fortunate to see him play, but I understand putting any of those guys number 1.

[@richardrice5942]

@@garycollier6950 Wagner has made 6 first team and 2 2nd team APs in the last 8 years. He is the best defender the Seahawks have ever had

[@kelseykjarsgaard5774]

@@richardrice5942 yup

[@imperfectlygreat9530]

Pete failed drafting nd adapting to the division and game passing him by, he stayed run dependent and defensive even though the players couldn't do it. I kinda wish Pete was the one leaving but I will wish Russell prosperity in Denver and hope he wins same with Bobby wherever he goes.

[@jayr23s93]

Facts. It don’t matter what kind of offense/defense coach they get. It all comes down to Pete what plays are going to be called

[@brandoninhofer6592]

Maybe the Seahawks thought that Pete was going to be in the league longer than Russell? Kinda sad because Russell was the face of the franchise. That's what this trade says to me anyways...

[@davidcadena8114]

The 49ers.beat the Cowboys, Packers and gave the Rams all it could handle, using that exact formula. Very strong defense, run the ball and that was with JG. The Titans used that very same formula, and that was with a retread QB. It's not so much that it's a antiquated system, it's that Seattle didn't have the talent to run that system. Pete brought a winning culture to Seattle, brought a SB to Seattle,and now SOME fans want to throw him to the curb and under the bus. Seattle is guilty of poor drafting and not getting the pieces to run Pete's style of play. Pete is guilty of interference with their scouts and GM in drafting, trading and free agent signings, no doubt..

[@erismana2105]

They both need to go

[@michaeltipton5500]

I can only wish Russ the best. No hard feelings and thanks for the memories.

[@dummaloop]

A: O line. Us 12s have been extremely frustrated with the lack of O line investment for the past 6+ seasons, imagine the frustration Russ must have felt.

[@bowincoberly4767]

Can't always get what you want .. a good qb overcomes. Look what burrow and brady have done with worse o lines

[@speaklife7333]

thank you, I want the best for Russ

[@jugan170]

@@bowincoberly4767 brady has always had a great oline and what burrow did was great, but he had a great defense, a run game, and better weapons. What russ did was remarkable: he won for years with terrible teams, a bad oline, and a limiting system, so he just got fed up with it.

[@bowincoberly4767]

@@jugan170 brady has had 5th or worst in the nfl offensive lines in 5 seasons ? In 2016 the year they won the suoer bowl it was 29th ranked lol

[@bowincoberly4767]

@@jugan170 also wouldn't call a 16th ranked defense great ???

[@HienNguyen-bl1wg]

Defense is the key when Seahawks won SB. Rich was surprised because he forrgot that. Seahawks have learned what happened with ET. They got almost nothing, 3rd round compensation pick, when Earl Thomas, key of LOB, left the team.

[@richardkosoff711]

Pete plays it safe and then expected Russ to come to the rescue in the last half of the 4th quarter. They hardly ever won by any more than a field goal. Russ got tired of it.

[@gosolobox]

I always felt like Pete kept his cards close to his chest and would only show you enough to win the game. Worked when it worked, but we came up short quite a bit also.

[@jamespa7193]

After LOB blew up they could barely win

[@davidmoakley325]

Pete couldn’t trust him. The Pats DB stands up the WR… the rub route is over…done…and that ball becomes an end zone seat souvenir. And he goes ahead throes it anyway. He was never gonna let Lynch run it in. He wanted to throw the winning TD and ensure the MVP. He was throwing that ball no matter what when he left the huddle. Wilson let Pete take the hit…Pete never fully trusted him again. again.

[@mm-gz4nb]

Yep...only a few teams out there has a franchise QB and the Seahawks traded him...for what I know...Russ didn't want to play for a coach that past his prime...they should of put pete up stairs and grab that coach from Miami who won to many games...I'm sure he would of stayed

[@Yakamichi2]

@@mm-gz4nb Like you know whats actually being reported lol

[@andan04]

I'll remember this Seahawks era as one in which a dynasty-caliber team won only one championship and if not for the worst play call in the history of sports, would've won two.

[@dreww1818]

It appears to be the "Pete Carroll" show in Seattle. As well, Greg Olsen gave his feedback and observations about his time in the Seattle locker room. Greg said he noticed different ideologies with regard to Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll - offence minded player vs a defense minded coach. Greg said he was surprised at the plays they would call and other plays they would shy away from. Jody Allen appears to have given Pete full control of the Seahawks. As well, Seahawks didn't protect Wilson well. When you look at the defense stats - Seattle ranked pretty low to last place in some categories these past years. I feel like Seattle could have done much more with Russell Wilson. We'll see what happens with Seattle this coming year in the rebuild phase.

[@edgarayala9284]

Yeah if it’s a rebuild why aren’t they firing Pete Carol? Yeah he has way too much control I think

[@PoopythePlumber]

It's cringy how you spell defense

[@misterbigglesworth6852]

When they let Russ cook and a defense is playing deep zone, Russ is sloppy with the football.

[@HansMcGruber]

The Pete show huh, did u just figure that out Mr Wizard? It's been 10 years Lol

[@KL-lt8rc]

@@misterbigglesworth6852 That had more to do with the OC being inexperienced and unable to adapt. And then Pete taking the reigns over once there was a hint of trouble, forcing it back to run-run-pass-punt offense.

[@fakeytube6698]

Man you’re really selling Wilson a little high here. He’s already in retirement mode. He stopped being a football player first and foremost a while ago, he cares more about his off the field pop-culture persona now than he does about superbowls. And he never proved himself to *really* be one of the greats in my eyes. His bread and butter was scrambling until coverage broke down. That gets you wins against bad to average teams but doesn’t always work against good teams.

[@joezim4254]

As a Broncos fan, I am honestly floored that this happened. Definitely wondering the same thing.

[@dialecticalmonist3405]

As a 49er fan. I'll tell you this. You should be buying Super Bowl tickets. Wilson is even better than you realize. He was held back by Carroll's conservative philosophy.

[@matt75hooper]

Do not expect the same Russell Wilson.

[@mitchaser5159]

@@matt75hooper yes. Expect a much better version of Russell Wilson.

[@alexdeegan728]

Well this didn't age

[@Michael-uu7zq]

@@mitchaser5159 Your right this is a much better russ. My Seahawks have a better QB in geno, we don’t have to pay Russ and we get a top 5 pick from him.

[@peterplanz2310]

As a Seahawks fan, I believe that that ONE horrible play call ruined a dynasty.

[@Guiltyconscience83]

Because he’s one of the best qbs in the league and the coach only wants him to throw 15 times a game…

[@lockjockjr]

Things went downhill after Paul Allen died.

[@amawndiep]

FACTS! and the Trailblazers too...

[@str8edge1985]

Tbh if Russ Wilson remained in Seattle and no real change happened to overhaul that entire O-Line, he would continue to get killed since post SBXLIX. He needed an O-Line that'll protect him, and he wasn't getting that for such a looooooong time

[@stonehobson2487]

Agreed. It was going to be a repeat of the last two years. I'm glad he pulled the plug. I thought ownership would keep Russ but lose Carroll. Good luck to Russ in Denver. Their TV ratings will be huge next season.

[@TheDrewzdaddy07]

There's no what if .... If they gave the ball to Marshawn Lynch he scores they repeat and none of the free agents leave they all come back to go for three-pete this is what would've happened a dynasty was interrupted because someone made the worst call in NFL history

[@LdyVder]

How many times did Lynch get stuffed trying to go 1 yard that season? The lack of success there lead to them throwing it.

[@TheDrewzdaddy07]

@@LdyVder 2 downs to get 2 yards it was as no brainer 🧠 dude & how many have already called it worst football 🏈 call of all time? Huh?

[@SirDrAdamB]

What happened? I think the answer is easy and straight forward. Pete Carol has a specific vision for Seattle that's centered around defense and ball control. Russell Wilson had a vision for the Seahawks that centered around him. I don't blame Wilson, but I also think the Seahawks were right to go with Carol. Wilson was in his prime when he was a threat to run. For the past several years, he's become a pocket passer who can't make every read and throw due to his height. He's usually at his best when he's scrambling or throwing deep. Consequently, there were a lot of 3 and outs. I imagine Pete Carol has a large ego, but I suspect Wilson's ego is massive. I think that's why he married a celebrity. That's why he tweets his good deeds. That's why he's in GQ. He likes the spotlight and wants to be the man. If he's not the man in Denver, I'll be curious to see what happens.

[@KD-dp5gx]

everything went downhill around the Ciara time. I do agree that Wilson was the guy to just not make mistakes and if need be, win it at the end. Pete limited his plays with his run run philosophy. The % may be closer but that was because in the 4th they might throw 80% which covered the difference. it was watching a team run into a wall over and over some games until Russ and the OC were allowed to say well we have 2 scores to make up we now have to throw the ball.

[@youngzoe7492]

Huh because he chose to marry a famous woman and sets an example to his community by showing his good deed and setting a good example of a well mannered raised Young man.and tbh you can't be a franchise QB without a certain level of controlled ego. You have to have that mindset of "im really him" etc etc

[@realtalk37851]

@@KD-dp5gx 🤬🤡The coach is washed up and needs to retire

[@jamespark3134]

Yeah if your quarterback become a pocket passer you need to manage the o line and Carroll and the GM didn't do that

[@lnss8775]

Only problem with ur theory is it has leaks, especially ur breakdown of Wilson. His height isn't a factor, ie Drew Brees & Russ might not be able to make reads like Brees but he can physically make the throws & has a stronger arm than Brees & similar height. Problem was that Pete went against his vision of D & ball control cuz of his ego when he went with Russ over Beast Mode losing the SB. His ego made him go with Russ to prove he found the next big thing at QB if the pass was a TD when his vision should've went with a run lol

[@playmusicnet7347]

It has been down hill right after that "Stupid call" at the goal line in the SB. The team could "never" recovered from politics at the goal line! Beast mode was right!

[@jasonadams4344]

You don’t let a guy like that walk out your door. Green Bay realized it, Seattle didn’t. They will regret that move for a long time.

[@hoanpham4545]

Eh. Maybe. Maybe not.

[@chad534]

If he doesn't want to be there...you let him go.

[@jasonadams4344]

@@chad534 agreed, but you never let it get to that point.

[@davidcadena8114]

The difference was GB improved as a team, Rodgers is the one who choked, while Seattle didn't improve, didn't get better with draft picks, trades or free agent signings.

[@chad534]

@@davidcadena8114 Exactly

[@TonyStark-hx8uw]

Russ was everything they needed, they just refused to build a team around him. Management and ownership is always the problem.

[@Eugenepanels]

Well they also know games are fixed probably so what’s the point lol.

[@patrykkuffel2679]

Facts. That's probably the simplest, most correct answer you could've given.

[@erismana2105]

Russ knew his big pay day was going to effect the O line but demanded ome any way .

[@MoMoMyPup10]

Every team that doesn't win failed to build a team around their QB.

[@khaleefrobinson7971]

@@erismana2105 But he restructured his contract more than once for Oline players like his boy Duane Brown.

[@ericruiz1036]

My memory of these Hawks will be the defense humiliating one of the highest scoring offenses ever. Peyton Manning was absolutely unstoppable that year.... and it was like he hit a brick wall for 3 hours. One of the most surprising results in Super Bowl history considering the expectation going into the game vs what happened.

[@angushiltz4880]

The problem is Pete Carroll plain and simple. He thinks and always has thought that any success is entirely his doing and any thing that's not a success is his players fault. The man refuses to adapt to the talent he has and instead wants things his way.

[@Wallychans]

How many times did russ’s ball hit the terf this last season...? “But his finger” shouldn’t be a 2-3 month long issue...the dude wasn’t playing well.

[@mklly5042]

I disagree. He definitely admitted he only has a job because of Russ. It’s just a shame as VP of the Hawks he couldn’t back it up and label the dude untouchable as he said. We’re in for a rough couple years but our standards have been raised and we will be amazing again. Let’s go Seattle!

[@zacharywarner7584]

@@Wallychans His finger was absolutely destroyed. It wasn't just broken. The tendon ruptured. He played great before the injury. Missed 3 1/2 games. Came back and was rusty/still injured for another 3-4. He played great again the last few 5-6 weeks when he finally had an adequate running back. Try throwing the ball without your middle finger. It doesn't feel right.

[@snikab]

Seahawks got rid of earl thomas for being verbal about His contract and injuries, Sherman for verbal about managements priorities and salary(ies), fired the OC schott Bc of philosophical differences,…. Now russel Bc he was too costly against the cap, outspoken about play calls, roster moves, …. I think I see the trend here!

[@HansMcGruber]

Russ was hardly out spoken like those other guys lol

[@hoanpham4545]

This is a reach...

[@kayeshaw531]

He’s too costly ? that’s why they are in the Watson sweepstakes - who has a larger contract.. yeah sure!

[@hoanpham4545]

@@kayeshaw531 You realize Wilson's contract is going to cost 45-50 million next season? I still don't think anyone trades for Watson until his issues are less muddled. He still has to go through the league and they'll suspend him for sure.

[@sargondp69]

Go Pack! Wilson is one of the best leaders and competitors to play football. I would pull for my old city Denver, that is if I still watched the NFL (that has totally disgraced itself along with most other pro sports)

[@Motoicon]

You can only ask "What happened" so many times before you get boring

[@845835]

Much like with Lynch and Sherman the relationship with Russell and Carroll was never the same after Carroll screwed up the 2nd Super Bowl.

[@donchillow527]

The Wilson Seattle era was great and currently better than the Rodgers GB era (having achieved more in less time). They were the best NFC team overall (results combined) since he was drafted, the only one that can compare in the NFC is LA. One NFC and one SB Championship. Eversince that preseason game against the Patriots, every viewer understood why Matt Flynn was not going to start, eventhough just breaking a GB QB record in that one game he was allowed to start for Rodgers superteam.

[@therealchristopherrobin3836]

Russ always had a better Defense tho, granted the last 5 years his o-lime has been putrid, not making any case just shouting out couple facts

[@tinmanrobby]

@@therealchristopherrobin3836 Well, kinda. The Legion was there for two years before Russel, and were 7-9. Then Wilson played and they went to an 11 win season with that same defense. I wonder if Paul Allen dying in 2018 made something turn the corner with the Seahawks(?).

[@franchisefred4066]

The beginning of the end was when Beastmode wasn’t given the ball at the one yard line. - Seattle 12’s

[@shobushogun2405]

I'ma be praying for you Seahawk fans if Drew Lock is your starting QB. God speed and I'm sorry this happened to yall

[@marked4death076]

Hopefully maybe matt corral drops to em in early 2nd, or just build up and drew will get us a higher pick next years draft haha

[@Shiby23]

ahh, coming back to this video was fun :D

[@russellkempe3231]

All Teams eventually melt down. This is no surprise.

[@marked4death076]

What matters now is dont panic and reach for a QB with first pick! Take best available cuz there are some beasts, can always snag a QB next year

[@jbull7126]

It was always about the D in Seattle. The Legion of Boom were one of the best. Got to be 3-4 Hall of Famers there.

[@HansMcGruber]

But who pushed them over the top? A franchise QB. Even with great defense, u need one of those to win.

[@ReadyFreddie5523]

Don't forget Beast mode getting 5 yards every time he touched the ball.

[@khaleefrobinson7971]

Yeah but the LOB was 7-9 pre-Russ (granted Bobby was not there). After Russ 11-5, then a SuperBowl.

[@pyroglyphicsglass]

Richard Sherman is laughing screaming I told you so.

[@burnbabylonburn78]

Richard, Earl, Kam, and Marshawn are all laughing their asses off right now.

[@BigPendant]

Rich Eisen should do audiobooks this man has a narrators voice. Remarkably recounts story’s really brings you back in time. For a second there I was brought back in remembrance of the legion of boom era. Good work Richy

[@rachidelmrini7101]

All I can say , we are ecstatic to welcome him in Denver...GO BRONCOS

[@justinrutledge6090]

Check back in with ya at the end of the season.

[@georgiadawg9064]

Seattle gonna get crushed for 40 more years. What team lets go of the only 2 good players they have? A sorry 1. Now maybe russ can get the wins and money he deserves!

[@rachidelmrini7101]

@@justinrutledge6090 Yes, after Russell gets his 2nd Super bowl.

[@chipchaser44]

I would be too.

[@20minutepie]

What happened was the question. Your answer is "I don't know?" Thanks. Very informative!

[@Kendell062]

The beginning of the end was Pete Carroll and that pass play instead of running the ball in the Super Bowl against the Patriots.

[@1960jack]

Seahawks had a great run for a few years. Lifelong fan since expansion team in 1976. It’s too bad this all ended up the way it did. I would have replaced Carrol a few years ago. And if Russ still left so be it. But there needs to be a new way of running the hawks

[@escape767]

I'm a little stoned, but this is some of the best sports commentary ..... ever.

[@denvernuggets007]

As a Broncos fan! Thank you Seattle for Russell Wilson. 😀 Hopefully, Russell will be here until his 41 like warren moon 🌝?

[@swaggycheese4363]

You sure you want that still?

[@denvernuggets007]

@@swaggycheese4363 Can't take it back right. But plenty of times for Russ to prove himself. It's not like his 41 but he still 33. Can't judge his performance in one season. Let's find out in 2023?

[@dialecticalmonist3405]

As a 49er fan, we know just how talented Russell Wilson and the Seahawks have been over the years. But there was always ONE thing that held them back. Playcalling. Whenever they would run the ball, as a 49er fan, I breathed a sigh of relief, because it meant one less play where Wilson has a chance to rip your heart out. Carroll is an old-school, run-first kind of coach. I just KNOW this had something to do with it.

[@bobbymarr1297]

Case and point Jacksonville Jaguars. Their OC and QB coaches last year were Wilson's OCs for the first 9 years of Wilson's career. They made Lawrence look like garbage.

[@dialecticalmonist3405]

@@bobbymarr1297 There are a certain group of coaches in the NFL, who have no concept of "rhythm" or momentum in sports. Sometimes, with a star like Wilson, you have to pass 20 times in a row, because they are in an unstoppable rhythm.

[@bobbymarr1297]

@@dialecticalmonist3405 I would also say in the case of Carroll he played offense to not lose the game as opposed to trying to win. Just wanted to kill the clock and not turn the ball over and win 9-6. Which doesn't work well with a defense that lets teams score every drive.

[@scottlundstad1975]

After the loss in the superbowl this team was never the same...

[@mikecota3883]

As A Charger fan living in Denver, I know I'm going to see A bunch of interceptions thrown by wilson each week.

[@kingleoxvii2463]

I find it hilarious when these QB's get the big money and complain when the team can't afford to put talent around them.

[@mikemix77]

Rich: What happened?? Everyone else: the owner died and pete ran the organization into the ground

[@chipchaser44]

don't leave out John Schnieder

[@AtlasBrookingsMindReader]

Except … the 2022 season though …

[@cohoanglervancouverwa6755]

Why did this happen? The Seahawks didn’t use Russ as they should have. He got frustrated by the game plan (run first), and the lack of a quality OL. Then he saw how successful Tom and Matt were at TB and LA. So he decided he wanted to go in the same direction. A new team with a decent chance at winning it all. So John and Pete decided it was time to rebuild. So that’s the plan. I’m not confident they will be anywhere close to being as successful as they were with #3, but this is where the GM and the coach have to ‘fish or cut bait’. If this move doesn’t work out, both John and Pete will be gone.

[@chipchaser44]

any other ownership, would have fired Pete and John, before ever even thinking of trading their franchise QB.

[@zachlewis6168]

Russ and the Seahawks was like Elway with Dan Reeves in the 80s…. No weapons…. play small ball for 55 minutes.. keep it close.. then turn Elway loose in the final 2 minutes…

[@defdef1354]

Hello darkness my old friend….. It was fun while it lasted.

[@taylorackley9144]

Detroit failed Stafford. And now Seattle failed Wilson. In the end, even New England failed Brady in not taking advantage of his pay cuts and drafting poorly. It’s a cycle that is becoming more prevalent

[@robertmiller2711]

Not really . . . Brady and Wilson won themselves a Super Bowl.

[@ToneRetroGaming]

Excellent points. Ppl knock QBs for taking max money, but as you say Brady always took less to help the team, but it doesn't guarantee anything if the picks and additions don't pan out.

[@peanutbutterripple1083]

@@robertmiller2711 you are a fool

[@charlesdatri2318]

@@ToneRetroGaming Brady went to 10 Super Bowls

[@ToneRetroGaming]

@@charlesdatri2318 that is true, but there was a huge gap between '05 and '15. Not taking anything away from the Patriots just saying taking less money doesn't make you the favorite every year

[@douglasfur3808]

"What Happened" $$$$$$$

[@lordrayden3045]

Never forget WILSON PERSONALLY THREW AWAY A SUPER BOWL

[@kbr6783]

Pete is responsible for that play call.

[@wanderingspirit7021]

Pete didn't toss the INT , Russ did.

[@lordrayden3045]

@@kbr6783 The QB is the one who touches the ball Don’t care what was called, he could have audibled, or taken the sack. The personally threw away a super bowl and gifted one to the patriots

[@dbowen22]

It was a terrible pass too, threw it to his backside hip.

[@lhfirex]

Give Malcolm Butler some credit, he read that play and jumped it perfectly.

[@kapmaw2]

Despite Seattle's record the past four years, I don't get the feeling that the league feared playing them NEARLY as much as you seem to think during that time, Rich.

[@derski87]

I agree with this. Their offensive play calling just wasn't creative and they were barely scraping together most of their wins. When they played Super Bowl caliber teams, they didn't look great at all.

[@VinceLyle2161]

This is a great point. Seattle has been a good-to-great team over the time Russ has been there, but they are far from being a dynasty. From their start to Holmgren, they were the definition of "mediocre." Holmgren's whole tenure? only twelve games over .500. Carroll's reign has been far better than that, but with only the one SB win, it's not a dynasty. The Legion of Boom started falling apart almost the moment the nickname was coined, and like the OP said, nobody has been terrified to play them for years. The last ten or so years, the Seahawks have undeniably good, and sometimes great. during that time, the Patriots have won three SBs, and the Seahawks haven't been to one since 2014. They're not a dynasty. They've just been a team you have to watch out for. Eisen has been consistent in overrating them

[@crankybastid2197]

Pete Carroll made his living at USC by playing the best talent, no matter where they were last week. You work hard/smart, you execute, you play. If they don't have the team to compliment a style of quarterback you let him go. Gracefully, with dignity, and with as much conversation and input from the player as possible. It doesn't always work that way, but you have to try.

[@kenfox22]

Great 👍 show

[@rowenadangersign]

I've got your answer: Pete failed to adapt once the Legion of Boom era ended. We paid almost as much for Jamal Adams as we got for Russ. Not once did they try to build a team around #3. I love Pete...he's why I'm a Seahawks fan...but his time is done. That style of football don't fly no more.

[@hughjass2640]

That's just not true, that style does still work. They just don't have the personnel for it anymore, it's basically what the Titans are doing, the Pats just had a huge bounce back year playing that style, and I'll also throw the niners in that group. Not a seahawks fan, but from what I understand is the real issue has been the draft.

[@sirsketchalot2164]

I think Russ failed to adapt. When he was "cooking" it lead to a lot of 3 and outs and a terrible overtime playoff loss.

[@matt75hooper]

No. Carroll & Wilson are guilty of handing the opposition their Super Bowl Rings in the greatest blunder in sports history. Carroll for the terrible call & Wilson for not changing it & keeping the ball for an easy TD to the right. The Team never got over that soul crushing play.

[@ReadyFreddie5523]

@@matt75hooper Marshawn Lynch should have that handout, one decent block and he is in the end zone but EVERYBODY was expecting that play. Wrong call by Bevel.

[@bwbdalek1]

With Paul Allen dying the Seahawks franchise that was died. This was all inevitable because jody refuses to let go of the teams her brother owned out of sentimentality even though she has no fucking idea what shes doing, to the point of just letting Carroll do whatever he wants.

[@LilGhettoBtchsThatQweef]

I'll always remember that they didn't want Marshawn to be the hero in the Super Bowl against the Patriots and I won a lot of money because of it. I couldn't believe they didn't give it to Marshawn, but my wallet loved the call.

[@queaye1939]

He literally wanted out for 3 yrs. Killed our team with his salary. Broke apart our HOF defense. Unpopular opinion; hes selfish asf

[@richard8242]

I think you meant to say,, "But we got no O line"x5 Russ is going to want 210 mill from Denver and kill them too

[@queaye1939]

@@richard8242 I think he knows his likelyhood of beating Mahomes is thin so ultimately. He may have finessed the Broncos. I could see them only winning 8 or 9 games

[@pablocruise678]

As a 9er fan, best of luck Russ. Whew!

[@CS-wn2sz]

The Seahawks era was definitely more about Sherman and that defense than russ

[@fellippegalletta6827]

Correct

[@imthesnakeking]

In the first half of the decade, most definitely. But ever since the LOB was dismantled, it's been the Wilson Show.

[@dylanknouse120]

Yes you’re right. But that’s what wrong with the situation. How did they not build a team successfully around Russell in all those years when he kept blossoming behind that defense. It should’ve switched over to the Russ era after lob dismantled but Carroll and the hawks did not want to make it Russell’s team

[@johnthompsonnunu2556]

Little do you know!

[@truthbearer7891]

Sherman and that defense went 7-9 before Russ got there. Russ has most wins ever after first 10 years in league. He’s the common denominator

[@stevelim5529]

That’ SB was Fixed like many Others🍻

[@burnbabylonburn78]

This^^^

[@greyhamlogan2255]

Pete Carroll should be remembered for SB49.

[@patricksherwin7604]

No matter what you say. I love your show. You know why. Rich you wont say it. It's more then the game and that's to bad. Russell is a quarterback who throws an awesome deep pass . A good person. In the end it's about money, not with everyone.

[@edwardsaucedo9223]

Hawks have lost more games the last 4 years. Maybe now Seattle can get the o-line addressed with the extra picks.

[@kassye1624]

If Seattle starts to fix the o-line, I’ll be like, NOW you doing something about it?

[@luisromerobarrios]

Haha no, they'll waste those picks like the past years.

[@ReadyFreddie5523]

Pete believes in a great defense wins games, he will get more defensive players rather than any O line. Most of time in the past 5 years Hawks did not have the same 5 OL from one week to the next, surprised to not see the waterboy suit up for his shot.

[@johnchedsey1306]

I'm just confused why the front office and coach that need to rebuild are in charge of the rebuild. Pete Carroll has been a great coach and provided Seattle with the best decade of football it has ever seen, but I'm a little surprised ownership chose him over Wilson.

[@ghengisdong6714]

Damn. No more Beacon commercials lol

[@arthurfonzarelli4228]

It's a way to shift the blame for his inconsistent performance onto Carroll. Great for the Wilson brand. Unless it continues in Denver.

[@garrettchristopher3462]

They had an identity. They were one of the best teams in the NFL for 2 or 3 years. Not everyone can have regular season records like the earlier 2000s colts and patriots for like almost 10 years straight.

[@davidmoakley325]

I’ll forever remember Pete bent over at the knees in shock after the Patriots DB stood up the WR negating the rub route… and instead of Wilson throwing an end zone seats fan a souvenir… he threw the ball anyway. There was no way Wilson was gonna let Lynch run it in… and be the first back-to-back SB winning QB not to win the SB MVP. He was throwing that ball no matter what when he left the huddle. No contract extension as part of the trade?!?… Good luck Denver… Hackett’s Hell is just beginning Denver.

[@kcp7042]

What is Seattle going to do for a qb? You said it. Pete is a running coach. He’s hoping Lock can hand the ball off!! He’ll use his new draft picks to solidify the defense.

[@jollyandwaylo]

If they actually doing a full rebuild, you don't need a good QB because the focus is not to get to the playoffs but to build the base of the team. Once that is done, you need a decent QB to finish it off. This is what Russell Wilson is supposed to do for Denver and what TB did with Brady. Also it is what Seattle did at the beginning of Pete Carroll's run.

[@quintinmcneil7467]

Malcolm butler interception should go down as a top franchise killer play

[@jazzlouise]

Well this wont be a popular comment but when Wilson got remarried and went Hollywood, it was the beginning of the end.

[@chrishayes8691]

Thank you Rich for giving Ryan the opportunity. I think it might backfire unless you are getting ready to retire. Meaning I think a lot of people would rather watch Ryan’s podcast instead of yours. I actually started watching your show because of Ryan. Not trying to be a dick I’m just making an observation. Please let me know what y’all think. Does anyone agree with me or not?

[@Jsch23]

no

[@rogeromance]

Josh Allen was looked at by Seattle after Russ had taken us to back to back Superbowl's, Russ found out and felt disrespected! Seattle had all the legion of boom before Russ got hear,7-9, 7-9, then we get Russ and then 11-5 we go, and next year the Superbowl we win. Pete Carroll should have been fired instead of Russ Going!!!!!

[@speaklife7333]

THANK YOU people forget that or don't know I've said this that they were there and that none of them that left had better careers what happened to beast mode when he was with the bills and after he left Seattle no more beast mode, but Russell Wilson did so well with a tore up o-line for years, no other QB would have made it, he was not appreciated or respected.

[@FreshlySnipes]

Josh Allen would have been sick AF

[@ez6888]

Not to mention the last year the Legion was together, we went 9-7 … then right after breaking that apart n semi-committing to Russ instead we went 10-6, 11-5, and then 12-4 (Russ threw 40 TDs).. then last year got gutted by Russ’ injury but yeah Hawks blew it, Russ is the man n I hope his future pans out with Denver

[@FreshlySnipes]

I agree 100% tho. We should have let Pete go and built around Russ. It took us 36-years to find a franchise QB… good coaches are much easier to find.

[@HansMcGruber]

He was so disrespected he hung around for another 7 years!

[@asecretone]

The Broncos didn't get the QB who played in Wisconsin but they did get a QB who played for Wisconsin.

[@Zoggosh]

I think the biggest takeaway for me is how good they were at their peak. That 2013 team was unbelievable, and it was the best defense that I’ve seen play this century. I was always a huge Peyton Manning fan growing up, and going into that super bowl I felt pretty confident about our chances. That confidence was dismantled in 5 minutes, by how good that D truly was. Legion of Boom era might be officially over now with Bobby and Russ gone, but they were a hell of a team when they were whole.

[@jollyandwaylo]

That era was done by 2018 if not 2017.

[@kiwanukaz]

never be loyal to an employer they wont be loyal to you

[@metaretinoandrandcunningham]

It’s hilarious that you didn’t even consider Gina Smith! L O L! I love it in retrospect!

[@randallstamper8078]

Russell's into his mid 30's now and will probably be slowing down, which makes it harder to scramble and see receivers over linemen. He really needs that athleticism and play extending abilities to overcome the height disadvantage causing that. I bet Seattle is thinking they're getting the most they can for him now before that happens, accepting the fact they're in a rebuild phase anyway. Next, I'd like to see Seattle get a great, athletic, taller QB like Josh Allen.

[@andrewgarratt1503]

Exactly. I'm a seahawks fan and I love russ but he's getting older and has taken so many hits that he won't be able to sustain his scramble style play for too much longer. Regardless, I do want to see him succeed in Denver

[@randallstamper8078]

@@andrewgarratt1503 Me too. I'm excited to see what he can do in Denver with a team that's playoff ready.

[@plagueofjoe]

Teams go decades without finding serviceable QBs, much less potential HoF guys like Allen. Good luck.

[@Timmeh_The_tyrant]

He got tired of them never fixing the o nline and never having elite wide receiver talent

[@Eastvanucks]

I dont think wide receiver talent was as bad as not having time to even throw

[@therealchristopherrobin3836]

They had poor WiFi ?

[@thealpaca2015]

Doug Baldwin, Tyler Lockett, and DK Metcalf would like a word

[@Docsamadhi]

I'm a Broncos fan and I disagree. They had alot of talented receivers in Seattle.

[@kennethohnemus3192]

Russell Wilson is not the Qb he used to be. It only works if he is running school yard plays. Plus he holds the ball too long and won't throw to wide open receivers

[@jeffreylorenger6746]

I think Pete Carroll is still pissed about something I coined THE IMMACULATE INTERCEPTION by New England’s safety Malcolm Butler. In the Super Bowl!

[@izuki1245]

As a niner fan thank you for leaving the nfc west you've been owning the niiners your whole career,good luck in Denver.

[@franvarga709]

Is this a new trend? The McVay/Stafford/Goff musical chairs of trading seasoned QBs? Are they looking for some magical alchemy of shifting the key players to find a new combination that will cause a spectacular combustion?

[@r3tr0actiongamer24]

Russ is a legend in his own mind

[@randallsmith5631]

Bronco-Mania w/Russ Wilson

[@seahawkblazing9253]

Comments guys just a friendly update for how’s it going for us! 😂 Seahawks 6-3, everyone was wrong!

[@InUteroKDC]

Unfortunately it's been 7 straight years of clunkers in the playoffs (when made).

[@SmittyCity15]

What happened? Russell wanted to win super bowls and the Seahawks give up 400 yds a game. Pretty clear cut, stop acting like he didn’t basically request this trade.

[@nicolettefrazey2703]

Russell Wilson just gave up he did not have the heart for it anymore. Your problems follow you where ever you go. Just because he went to Denver doesn't mean his problems are not following him!

[@madcratebuilder]

Been a Hawk fan since Jim Zorn's first snap. Not sure anymore.

[@PhoenixFlamezz]

What really happened? Paul Allen died. Thats what happened!

[@KCFree3]

“The Seattle Seahawks & HC Pete Carroll have mutually agreed to part ways” Sources tell ESPN.. 😂 Pete Carroll outta there