What HAPPENED to FNATIC ONIC and KAIRI?!!

[@vivarrq152]

I am so happy that other teams in ID are catching up. ONIC was dominant since S10 and at some point every domination is over. Maby they might proove me wrong in playoffs but this time I dont think its gonna happend considering the fact that their performance was not that great.

[@owammantsithi2843]

Me too I think it's good for them to have some competition it will help them improve

[@aye3800]

While I agree on ONIC domination being over, I feel that it’s still more of ONIC underperforming than other teams reaching former ONIC lvl tho.

[@zeinzz1906]

Is it really cathing up or Onic is just weaker and weaker?

[@DmdQar]

I'm pretty sure it's onics performance that getting worse

[@JamjamDanoso]

Nah something fishy going on.... Maybe onic pay to lose this season HAHAHAHA

[@jspramit9897]

i think onic thought that as the assassins meta sets they will be on top with kairi forgetting that other teams also do use assassins and it backfired on onic not expecting the others to also gain a lot on assassin meta

[@zeinzz1906]

I have a weird theory, that Kairi can't play assasin vs assasin that well anymore, he already well adjusted to the playing assasin against tank for so many seasons now that it is hard for him to keep up with the same type a speed anymore. Essentialy he is like the superfast guy in a slow world. In this meta suddenly everyone is fast, that is why sometimes he miss his retri and his map game is not that great anymore because other is also can keep up with him. And this is also can be said to the other members, their gameplay is fast and people can't keep up because the meta is slow.

[@Monkey.Dream.JoyBoy]

you maybe right, coz before the tank core era, kairi was in the ph playing as an assassin but couldnt get the championship, when he transfer in indo thats the start of him getting recognize. Means even before he was having hard time keeping up against the assassin jungler in the ph, ex karltzy. On the other hand let me share this as well, Karltzy is having a hard time also right now coz he was well used to being tank jungler that can tank all the damage. They have exact opposite problem. Thats just my opinion as well

[@ambots13]

It is possible but are there other players like Kairi that didn't adjust back to assassin vs assassin? I see super ken, kingkong and kyletz who were known for picking assassins during tank meta playing more comfortably now in assassin vs assassin meta.

[@OFFMETA-y5r]

Kairi won a lot of Assassin vs Assassin last season. The thing is everyone knows Kairi will play Assassin and they will counter it the draft.. unlike before if they 5 hero ban all his Assassin, then Kairi will play Tank jungler and all his teammates heroes were open. They won the draft easily.

[@Monkey.Dream.JoyBoy]

@@ambots13 And that's the biggest question, maybe karltzy and kairi are tired due to lack of rest or they are just not prepared for this season, in tlph karltzy is not playing 2 consecutives games. I am feeling that he is not going to play next season for that team.

[@ambots13]

@@Monkey.Dream.JoyBoy probably or is a combination of multiple factors. I feel like both players will be benched for some time unless zai or albert slumps.

[@panda5381]

Actually this is a good thing for onic. The competition for their region increase. So they can increase their overall gameplay and not stunned in the international. Trash now, but wait for the playoffs.

[@BRUH-lx3jv]

It's really more because Onic is underperforming tbh

[@davidjrsebastian2238]

we'll see

[@Itachi-w7g]

@@panda5381 Id still gonna get sweeped by ph teams in m6 🥴

[@frederickgutilban4405]

@@BRUH-lx3jv I dont think so, its probably because the new meta now favors the teams to go a bit aggressive since damage is now the factor and not durability in last tank jungle meta

[@redemption1216]

They are underperforming. Sanz and Kiboy has no impact in the previous games.

[@gladlee7520]

8:02 Hmm or Rezz but idk.?

[@kingswishmlbb2397]

i think kairi need to transfer now at this point onic losses their chemistry already

[@zeinzz1906]

Probably Blacklist if they can affort him. Other than that every Ph team is not in needs of Kairi

[@BRUH-lx3jv]

If Kairi returns to PH, only blacklist can really get him, other teams are either unlikely to get Kairi or they already have their preferred jungler.

[@PinoyDDTank]

chill, its just regular season

[@bartolomeo-q5r]

Nahh RSG need kairi , irrad is trash lol ​@@BRUH-lx3jv

[@harraz-bf2fj]

It may affect their confidence tho ​@PinoyDDTank

[@NICO13586]

damn onic id never recovered from that m5 loss. what a downfall

[@JaycobGarcia-w4t]

I'm not convinced with CW and Kiboy. They should explore some replacements to that. If they are able to get nathzz. They could save their dynasty and even win international tournaments. But that player is expensive which is one of the problems.

[@jdielh9192]

@@JaycobGarcia-w4t nathzz is now c9

[@zeinzz1906]

​@@jdielh9192 Not for long, GG already out of NACT, C9 will also out aince no money can be made there. Nathzz on Onic would be Crazy tho

[@datsme8986]

C9 got Nathz.. but "D Goat" Mielow is free - Onic better get him rn. 😅

[@louddrian1645]

C9 just loaned Nathzz and he's not officially out of RSG just yet. They even made an announcement for it. But the possibility of Nathzz going to ID perhaps next season is totally not impossible

[@9710avj]

Indo ego would be hurt if they get starplayers like nathzzz

[@SomebodyWhoPlays]

No confidence and no mentality. Other teams aren't intimidated by ONIC anymore.

[@ar3p293]

0:41 wtf did baloyskie knows kairie there 😮

[@choppersensei9]

@@ar3p293 Eye indicator

[@navis_6383]

Eye indicator went off abit later than the hero transparent timing.. That's why he knew someone was. there in the bushes..

[@zeinzz1906]

There is a bug on the eye indicator. It went off a little bit slower went there is an enemy on other side of the bush. On rank and amateur scene this thing is just some minor thing, but on pro scene it is really broken. It is a guarantee map awareness and just like that play, you don't even need to check the bush to know that there an enemy there. Which is a bug because it defeat the purpose of the bushes.

[@gus74v07]

​@@zeinzz1906it's an intentional feature, i saw the change once while reading advance server notes

[@sparklingcutie]

​​@@zeinzz1906it's not a bug, it's intentional. If you tried it in game, if an enemy goes to a bush and is at your line of vision, you will see them go to the bush before disappearing, meaning the indicator is correct since the eye is still not present when you go in the bush, only a mere second after.

[@sachinthadilshan1266]

2-0 three consecutive matches 😮 everyone underperforming now

[@stopppp2059]

Actually seeing onic how they draft it feels like im still watching a meta that comes from 2023. Their draft hasnt change since then

[@Benimaru-ly6so]

PLEASE GUYS THEY ALSO HUMAN NEED REST OF COURSE THERE WILL TIME WILL UNDERPERFORM THEY NOT ARE NOT A ROBOT NEED TO KEEP PLAY LIKE A ROBOT.

[@daryllmarb]

That's a good thing tho. Finally MPL ID has become competitive after 4 dominating seasons of ONIC

[@uzumakitito80]

sanz can do nothing in this damage jungler meta. he cant even spamming recall.

[@zeinzz1906]

He can't bait people anymore at least not that well, in game one against Liquid he actually showing a little bit of his old gameplay with Valentina. It just that one Lord cost them the whole game.

[@bartolomeo-q5r]

Yeah he can poke like whatever he wants in tank meta , not anymore tho , you poke you die now

[@lsuzuru]

what you mean "and kairi"?

[@nischalbudhathoki2585]

Everyone is pointing fingers at the players but in my opinion the main fault lies in the drafting. They have been doing these weird drafts for the whole season just look at their match with rrq second game that chou was unncecessary while they opened the heroes like gatot and edith in the first phase

[@loyskibulbul]

They are too focused on "all indo" more than anything else. What do you expect?

[@MegaDarkAngel05]

Kairi does not deserve to teamed up with these NPC's.

[@BruceWayne-ws8dn]

These NPC's are wasting Kairi's skills

[@faizalfroos4707]

Nah, Kairi's skill getting worse. Better go back to PH, regain his focus. Even Vincent from Geek are better than him now.

[@BruceWayne-ws8dn]

@faizalfroos4707 Yea, Kairi doesn't deserve these Onic teammates now

[@philippajaron1486]

Uwi na sa pilipinas kairi...Dito ka talaga dapat...at Dito mo mararanasan Ang tunay na panalo

[@SuperrrMiah]

@@philippajaron1486 Wala na yan boss di na uuwi yan. Eh traydor yan eh walang yang pake MPL PH. Iniwan Onic PH after matalo sa M3 anong klaseng utak yan?

[@j0k3rqwtyeet11]

If you want an opinion about what's happening to them, then nothing it's simply other teams got better will their growth went stagnant, sometimes more often than not it is harder to stay at the top but i believe they'll catch up once more after these loses and look back at what they can actually improve upon

[@wuffies6162]

I think they should give a chance for REZZ as a rookie. The thing that everyone should notice is CW. He is underperform. I remember last season everyone even Coach Yeb and CW laughing the moments CW lost againts Skylar as the first team for Goldlaner award in MPL ID. People need to know that Skylar is the most consistent Goldlaner at the moment until now. Even, he can carried his team. I bet, if Khezecute + NM + irrad and brusko + rinz + dyren + Skylar would be the one who went to Riyad last time. It just I hate VREN so much 🤡. He already had bad record in BTR. He got carried with Duckey when in Bren. Now, he lost once again in team spirit. That guy is a joke.

[@funspot9520]

If you guys notice most matches they lost are against harith

[@basedneutral1173]

@@funspot9520 is always harith, ruby and roger

[@rexwang890822]

I guess no more recall spamming for Sanz this season

[@thelastking4028]

@@rexwang890822 and kiboy too

[@thelastking4028]

And kiboy too

[@Yupmaosama]

Maybe no recall no win

[@rishun13]

CW and Kiboy underperforming.

[@nazekman_]

I guess all of onic having it, kiboy rn play so passively instead compare to backthen season, either due to draft gatot or hylos pick or i dunno. sanz also underperforming, at early game less snow ball, u can see at 2:20 he also made up slow backup. The new exp laner has a great response but they lack chemistry. I dunno but at this point lutpi might be better even his gamplay more to solo teamfight.

[@nazekman_]

I guess all of onic having it, kiboy rn play so passively instead compare to backthen season, either due to draft gatot or hylos pick or i dunno. sanz also underperforming, at early game less snow ball, u can see at 2:20 he also made up slow backup. The new exp laner has a great response but they lack chemistry. I dunno but at this point lutpi might be better even his gamplay more to solo teamfight.

[@EnlightendBeast999]

Yet they demoted lutpi back to MDL 😭

[@JOY_BOY.999]

It's not kairi nor his teammates. It's the coach who's always loosing drafting phase. Always getting out draft.

[@sparklingcutie]

They're getting rusty or getting tired with each other (more realistic scenario)

[@kahejdhdhwjwjshshddh]

@@sparklingcutie that’s what i thought as well. communication is very important.

[@OFFMETA-y5r]

Not Onics Meta... Sanz and Kiboy to be exact and their sidelaners are underperforming. The Kiboy Sanz Duo is unstoppable when they rotate but Sanz' Best picks are Pick off burst heroes but he's now limited to utility mages like Zhuxin, Zhask, Vexana, Faramis and Valentina. Same with Kiboy... i think Kiboy should spam heroes that can fight. like Arlott, Hylos, Edith.

[@Pikun-mn5sd]

Sorry to say but I don't think indo won't be able to win upcoming m series and msc pH and Malaysia will be compete . Sadly there will be no indo

[@MahmudaZahran-pg1zz]

@@Pikun-mn5sd Hahaha Malay only relies on SRG, while the other teams are weak

[@4EverAfter4]

From Sky Kings to King ina real quick 😂

[@astrayyyy909]

Sanz was carrying Onic . Damage jungler meta and they're losing

[@kerlangnongkynrih4894]

Don't be dumb they are just adjusting to new playstyle with a new exp each game trust me they are unstoppable

[@kernito_ow2444]

This is why I think onic needs an Ph exp...

[@jvron423]

FNOC in playoffs Kairi will become Seijuro Akashi mode no matter what placing in the regular season. 12-1 for FNOC since the Kairi era only RRQ Hoshi UB Finals in S10 the only loss with Kairi in the playoffs

[@datsme8986]

Nah! ONIC ID is just trolling to lose coz' Mirko and whole Indo want it that way. 😅🤫 Hence, to compensate, they're pumping FNATIC ONIC PH rn coz' they have better chances to beat the dominance of AP BREN and TLPH.. 🧠

[@ayimerlkr445]

Nahhh don't downfall other player n team other team just got better

[@amaleshdebbarma4904]

It might be different in knock out stage

[@ayimerlkr445]

People need yo realise that other teams are getting better and practicing to be better countering every possible outcome onic on the other hand comes with the old strategy where everyone is familiar

[@Broke-kun]

ONIC ID: (👀 cw sucks right now but guess what! we got kelra on the land of champions that we can transfer)

[@SuperrrMiah]

@@Broke-kun Tas kunin nila si Kingkong for Kairi

[@itachikakashi5478]

Every team has an era

[@Kyle-x9z]

I think it is just for her xp since rezz come to main 5 the onic will have their ls 😅😅

[@ernieortega8437]

it's just a decoy watch them performing in play off til finals ONIC WILL BE THE CHAMPION IN MLLBB ID S14🤫🤫🤫

[@jaeride]

meanwhile Ph Onic is Dominating... 🎉

[@darkdavel1718]

Nako poh parang last seson lang yan pero sila paden nag champ

[@Zenitsu-k6d]

Doesn't matter still my idol

[@basicallyokami]

They should rebuild onic next season, Kiboy has lost his patience and always makes early and risky plays, cw and sanz have been underperforming too much, all of them can carry, and because of that reason they depend on their individual performance, which is showing that they are lacking in comms, there are too many errors and mistakes they do this season, they shouldnt be complacent because they have ruled indo since s10.

[@9710avj]

Imagine if Onic kelra next season. Since kelra is now onic ph. They might absorb him like what they did to kairi. All ONIC teams would be PH prideeeee 🎉🎉🎉

[@catalyst.4664]

That would be embarrassing relying once again on pH to carry your team back up even if they're the same org. Also why would you ruin Onic pH momentum by transferring kelra to indo just cuz they're underperforming, that would be favoritism and bm

[@9710avj]

@@catalyst.4664 IDK its up to the org. Onic is originally from ID so they might take chances to bring glory to their country but who knows

[@user73955-b]

Dont worry, ONIC ID still win MPL ID 14. Let see in Playoff. Onic did this (gave in to another team) because of MIRKO's harsh criticism. If Onic always wins, it's better not to watch MPL ID.

[@BinaSaud-d2t]

Kairi go to ph or other team 😢

[@zellybean3187]

i said what i said, if onic keeps going down this road, its gonna be a journey full of defeats and very less wins.

[@meerowais9608]

Other than kairi, Albert and sanz everyone is underperforming

[@kAWshifer]

wait till playoffs

[@gargoyl3.]

dont be fooled, wait for playoffs 👍

[@SuperrrMiah]

@@gargoyl3. Loser since M5😂

[@qleoros3]

@@SuperrrMiah chill bruh

[@SuperrrMiah]

@@qleoros3 Correction, Kairi is a loser and a bum since M3😂 That's what a traitor desereves👌

[@throttlebrah]

Fnatic ONIC and Fnatic CSGO has the same thing.. Both is dominant, and after they somehow got countered, they turned into shit

[@bhentambling7541]

cmula nawala si butss at nagka gf si kairi humina na onic.. end of era na tlaga mukhang next season change lineup at coach na pg di cla umabot ng top3

[@tutortle1820]

Is MPL ID teams catching up to ONIC or ONIC is just getting weaker?

[@muhammadshobrian]

Onic needs to adapt to new meta, they were very strong with tank jungler meta I watch the rotation and gameplay is still the same with old meta, or i think they need successor, i mean the whole team

[@MarbanteiPyrtuh-ot5kf]

Seeing onic falling on ths tournament make me believe onic will be as strong as before on m6❤

[@yuppiboi]

choke is a choke, u guys just cnt accept fact 😂

[@arruhunahya7593]

The people who say MPL ID has become more competitive are in complete delusion. Every team in ID seems a lot stronger right now because ONIC has gotten weaker. The proof is that even against this shitty version of ONIC, they still have a hard time. What happened to ONIC is that they are losing everything that made them strong. They lost Listi: their mental coach. They lost Drian: their mood booster and advisor. They lost Butss: their pillar who kept the team together.

[@DanielCaramel]

Rezz need to walkout from ONIC

[@avinaga3601]

Change the coach and you'll see improvement. Most of the Onic's downfall is because of bad draft. Period!

[@hipships7531]

Onic still strong team but any team now are go to step up to get a champion ship and go to m6

[@Pogi117]

We see the result of matches of Onic not like before, but I think Onic will champion again

[@davidjrsebastian2238]

nope, nugh ugh

[@Pogi117]

@m.danishsidqi3363 Onic Id is the strongest team only on Indonesia not the world

[@kimosabehmar1671]

​@m.danishsidqi3363don't cry when fnoc wins this weak ass tournament again for the 5th time😂😂😂😂

[@FFAttackofficial]

i feel kairi its really hard to carry 4 indo

[@badjoke2880]

nothin happen to kairi...its the other members

[@Kazunori1104]

Onic must get Yawi sub for Kiboy. And also Onic shouldv'e had get Nathzzz lol but i know Nathzz needs to study in the US.

[@navis_6383]

2:38 what was kairi aiming for... Bruh.. is he washed??

[@Noni_Inoue]

nothing happened to kairi and sanz, the other 3 r just shtt

[@Hzbsisjen]

Kairi balik kana pinas at tulongan mo black umarakada muli sama kayo ni Yawi😊

[@alexsalah7150]

Onic ID should get Kelra and Yawi. CW and Kiboy is not performing well

[@senpaipsycho4138]

well pag ganyan parin sila sa playoffs mukhang may problema na nga

[@ernieortega8437]

TRIPLE B. BALOY😁🇵🇭👌♥️♥️♥️

[@Kyle-x9z]

Butsss in hok is strong

[@jaeride]

they need to bring in KingKong, Kelra.

[@BruceWayne-ws8dn]

Kairi is still great. Onic id's exp and roamer is weak rn

[@Kyle-x9z]

No need it's to bring back butts

[@ninjarandc8743]

.. Grabe c baloy dun .. alam nya pwestuhan ni kairi

[@KingIndra-r2h]

pumasok kasi sa bush si baloy tas antagal bago lumabas yung indicator pag pumapasok sa bush kaya alam nya na may tao don

[@ryanluar6282]

Where is TP of Sanz.. 😂😂😂😂

[@nicholaskinichi858]

Bumagal na kamay ni kairi di na nya nagagawa ang buy and sell....

[@hir461]

They lost their performance like how they lost butuss·😅just jk hope btuss comeback to ml after some season in honor of king

[@BokFajardo]

The problem is ONIC not kairi.....

[@kimosabehmar1671]

Yeah and coach yeb drafts

[@SF.7868]

Onic playstyle doesnt suit current meta which is assassin cos they play too careful in hyper tank meta bfr for few season and they cant drasticly change their playstyle idk why slow catching up or myb in current meta all oppt was good also using ass. I think they need to change player kairi n sanz cant play along.

[@CristopherMatugas]

They need to make another new player's

[@rodelmanzano6960]

King King King King King but no M Series Champ. Just a flashy name with no proof.

[@juanlazytv9415]

cw feeding strat

[@hanzliennah19]

Lumipat ang charisma ng Onic sa PH

[@KangTzy-x9c]

They just need good exp

[@khanum3395]

😂😂😂 in the end it's still gonna be ONIC taking the trophy 🎉

[@melons7848]

Kairi on Sze world

[@dee-v2f6c]

onic the sky king ? 😂 starsyndrome shit

[@Bubbletyy]

Kairi got gf,that's why, he can't focus anymore😆

[@iamfrancisjohnlee]

First pa notice idol

[@adi7372]

Kairi needs TLPH

[@Hzbsisjen]

Mentally from the coches onic id become weaker.

[@errolbaroquillo1347]

In the end fnoc will be champion hahaha

[@shobeclay1551]

artista na kasi

[@FFAttackofficial]

indo have a lot of king 😅

[@gladlee7520]

I think the problem from Kairi hair on the thumbnail.! Which is this example - kzbin.infoa8VoXUJaiGo?si=u5Jzcl4Lw6MjV8z4

[@vivarrq152]

Now its time for the only true Kings (RRQ) to reclaim back the throne from the Sky Kings:) Viva RRQ!

[@rrqtko8319]

And then destroyed by a ph team in international tournaments 🤣

[@AsunDelossantos]

RRQ choke in playoffs for sure

[@michaellaurencbadua4747]

Viva max rrnoob

[@richard0as403]

Sky Kings, True Kings, jungle Kings, king of kings, kings slayer ... All of you gives flashy name in your team. ... King 'ng yan

[@zeinzz1906]

True Kings? Is Rrq ever won 2 Msc? 4 Mpl in a row? Even if Onic lost this season Mpl, they still he the king of Mpl ID.

[@dlaregmaquiling7326]

Onic id need 1 more ph import 😅, maybe xp lane 😅

[@richard0as403]

Exp is fine, they need new roam .. it's always better to import roam and jungler to adapt to macro play in pH.

[@calvinalexander6572]

@@richard0as403 It's more like they need to stick in more than having units. Their Trio Mid are dysfunctional where Kairi, Kiboy, and Sanz played solo leaving CW and that Rookie Rezz quite loss.

[@Hzbsisjen]

Kairi to blacklist soon

[@KarkySphere]

Ngl I think all of them are underperforming

[@BRUH-lx3jv]

Kairi is the only one that didn't underperform (or atleast underperformed the least) imo

[@gabsantiago9322]

No Butss no win