What Happened To The Derbyshire?

[@baileywright1656]

I have seen a few things on the Derbyshire, but this was the first one that talked about the different quadrants of a storm. Thanks for the interesting info!

[@CasualNavigation]

Thanks Bailey. Glad you liked this one

[@MrNicoJac]

@@CasualNavigation Yeah, you guys always add some tidbit of special knowledge that Google/Wikipedia wouldn't have bothered with. It makes this channel really special 🥰

[@benwilson6145]

Before you get so self righteous maybe go and look at some of the circumstances missed in this video. Go look at Typhoon Orchids track and see how many loops it took. The enquiry specifically at the question of Ship Routeing and the role the loss of the Derbyshire. I have the utmost respect for armchair hindsight experts. Not.

[@NPC_-mf4dw]

Same here, actually. Good info indeed.

[@jacksonlarson6099]

@@benwilson6145 The hell are you on about?

[@NPC_-mf4dw]

The loss of the Derbyshire is so eerie. I always tried to imagine how it must have been for the people inside the ships. The incident happening at night, most were asleep in their quarters, including 2 wifes of crewmen. There's a good chance the whole vessel was underwater before the accommodation area was even flooded, meaning they went down like a submarine... with no pressure hull. In complete darkness, surrounded by hellish noises of creaking, bending and breaking metal, and ear-deafening water rushing in everywhere. Horrible. May they rest in peace...

[@Lightdasher360]

I like your explanation, really puts things into perspective. This is nightmarish and it's really sad that those on-board had to live and die through it.

[@mgmg116]

Read The Perfect Storm by Sebastian Junger. There are survivor stories from shipwrecks that go into extensive detail about what it's like, even people who came back from the brink of drowning

[@NPC_-mf4dw]

@@mgmg116 I only saw the movie but of course, as usual, it does not hold up I bet. I remember a case from just a few years back of a man being rescued from the inside of a sunken and capsized fishing vessel, I believe. There is video footage of the rescue diver finding him sitting in an air bubble. He kept himself alive with, I might remember that wrong, a few cans of pop or similar. He was extraordinary lucky! I mean what are the odds the ship sinks in a manner that a) you will have an air bubble, b) it is not too deep so you can survive/get rescued and c) there is actually a non-hull-compromising way into your air bubble so you can make it out. Just found the video again, so amazing. The diver and operator are both completely surprised as well, expecting only bodies of course. At one point the operator even mumbles that he's got no idea what to do now. xD kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIHdaaCuf7ODnpo

[@mgmg116]

@@NPC_-mf4dw Yeah, the movie starts off strong but suffers at the halfway point and just gets worse, in my opinion. The book is more of a journalistic account talking about the fishing industry as a whole, along with weather, how waves form, what drowning is like, etc. And yeah, I did hear about that. Absolutely insane, that poor dude must have had no hope of rescue, probably thought he'd never see his family again. I wouldn't wish a fate like that on anyone

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

It’s almost to much to even think about what they went through, I just hope it was quick 🙏

[@SGobuck]

The fact that this ship was so close to its destination after such a long journey is tragic in itself. Very similar to what happened to the Fitzgerald.

[@porkfat5521]

Very similar.

[@zaptor1514]

Same cargo.

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

With a load of iron ore twenty-six thousand tons more Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed When the gales of November came early

[@ottavva]

Fitzgerald of the Great Lakes

[@dsauce8780]

@@jenniferstewarts4851 bone chilling tune

[@iaincatto6241]

I'm a merchant navy officer. The story of the Derbyshire is taught as a matter of course during training, as well as the poor build quality of OBOs and bulk carriers from the 70s and 80s.

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

Here in Canada its the Edmond Fitzgerald, she went down November 10, 1975. It was suspected that hatch covers broke loose during a storm on the lake, with wave heights reaching 25 feet, and wave harmonics creating 46' monsters... the ships cargo deck went awash several times.. its funny, most "ocean going" Captains and sailors laugh at the idea of serious threats from storms on lakes... and don't realize, that these lakes in Canada are actually fresh water seas. one lake alone is 31,700 sq mi, put into context, thats about 2000 square miles larger then Panama... The entire country. yes, you could fit the entire panama canal, + the rest of the country, in 1 of our lakes... and still have room

[@MrTarmonbarry]

@@jenniferstewarts4851 Many people underestimate the sea ,period . It is not something to be taken lightly

[@DylRicho]

@@MrTarmonbarry Water in large volumes is very deceiving.

[@MrTarmonbarry]

@@DylRicho Not when you are being tossed about by it , you know it means business ))

[@mnoxman]

@@jenniferstewarts4851 not to mention it is fresh water so less buoyancy too. Superior also never gives up her dead. The SS Kamloops sank in 1927 in 79m of water. At least one body is still floating in the ship.

[@noc1211]

I remember watching a documentary ( _Mayday_ or _Seconds to Disaster_ or something like that) on the _Derbyshire_ back in the mid-2000s. Was chilling how the sinking went from gradual flooding over several hours to sudden death in minutes - by the time the crew realized something was wrong, they were already doomed. Poor bastards never stood a chance.

[@lewisbons2503]

Was it on DIscovery channel?

[@noc1211]

@@lewisbons2503 Quite likely, though it was way too long ago to remember for sure.

[@rs2352]

We will never know, but if the chain lockers and / or the focsle, and only having open boats, their fate was all but sealed....

[@joycelampton170]

I saw it on disaster at sea

[@cbmeche3574]

KZbin search "Mayday 1999" - four episodes

[@stephenpotts832]

I was in the same storm on a bulk carrier sailing from Los Angeles to Taiwan. I remember seeing how our ship’s decks flexed, bending and twisting. As a young cadet I think that was the first time that I realised life is finite. We heard about the Derbyshire going missing before we reached Taiwan. One thing that may not be well known is that wife’s of crew members onboard and personnel ready to change out were waiting in Japan. I went back to college in South Shields and met one on the guys who was waiting in Japan. He said it was terrible as it became clear that the Derbyshire hand gone down and they all flew back to the U.K. Very sad. Serving most of my time on large bulk carriers and container ships, despite witnessing the storm, it was hard to understand how no one made it to the boats. Good and very sobering explanation.

[@callunas]

I saw a documentary on the Derbyshire and it's always stuck with me. The way the bow began to sit lower and lower in the water, unnoticed, over days perhaps, until it reached the point that enough green water came over the bow and broke the first hatch and set off the chain reaction that sent the strip plunging down within minutes... truly haunting. Reminds me of the Edmund Fitzgerald, with the iron ore, storm and possible cargo hold flooding combination.

[@MrTarmonbarry]

They would have noticed her bow getting lower , hard to explain it but every time she dug her bow in it would go down to a certain point , as the bow got more filled it would have dug in deeper and the time it took for the bow to lift would be longer

[@johnthomas2485]

Pretty much what happened to the Edmond Fitzgerald

[@MrTarmonbarry]

@@johnthomas2485 Yes , very similar . Iron ore is about the worst cargo you can be carrying in this sort of situation , just a dead weight that is going to take you down very quickly. It was interesting to note the captains last message saying they had heavy swells , depending on the length of those swells it puts enormous strain on the structure

[@randomrazr]

@@MrTarmonbarry that should have been a sign that somethings wrong and prob should abandon ship

[@MrTarmonbarry]

@@randomrazr Abandoning ship in those conditions is not always possible for the reasons i have given in reply to your other comment . Its hard to explain exactly how those lifeboats and the mechanism works , i know it because i worked with them and was trained to lower them in case one of my ships was sinking . Rowing up and down the Thames in the snow . Long time ago now

[@wcolby]

I was on Okinawa for typhoon orchid, I have a single photo I took from my doorway, could not see the street in front of the house for the rain.

[@alcasey6548]

I was on board the SS Pollenger, about 300 miles away from the Derbyshire when she went down. What a storm that was. My first trip to sea!!

[@tsm688]

One hell of a storm when 300 miles is "nearby"!

[@alcasey6548]

@@tsm688 it certainly was. Pollenger was an LNG carrier, big dome tanks. We were empty and spent more than a day rolling 30 deg either side of upright. It was only the continuous clean of the oil filters on the turbo alternators that prevented one of them from tripping. And us sinking. 😳

[@brawdyboy1]

friend of mine was one of the crew on the derbyshire, the ship had sailed before he got back onboard.. he heard about it going missing while he was arranging to meet the ship when it docked. after this he never went to sea again.

[@chdreturns]

r/thathappened

[@SoWhat1221]

​@@chdreturns Nothing ever happens.

[@frederiknielsen6038]

It's worth noting that the requirements for bulk carrier damaged stability in SOLAS has since been increased, to hopefully make accidents like this less likely. Although I don't honestly think a modern bulk carrier would have fared much better in this situation.

[@xpark2001]

With the type of satellite imagery and storm forecasts available today, it's hard to image a modern day bulker or any other ship get caught in TRS unless ofcourse shipping companies continue to look for cheaper seafarers further east.

[@JakeLikesTech]

It seems like the only thing to come from this sinking is the alarm system which is just meant to give the crew more time to prepare the life boats.

[@MrTarmonbarry]

These ships had a lot of flaws in them . There is an old documentary somewhere describing how some of the beams that should have gone through into the engine room area stopped as they met the housing , something to do with the pump house that is just there if i remember correctly . Alterations were made to the original design and that became a weak spot . There is a theory that she broke at that point and it makes sense . The cargo area is immensely heavy with the ore , it starts to go down bow first, the stern rises and the cantilever effect snaps the housing away from the cargo area

[@frederiknielsen6038]

@@JakeLikesTech In the newest version of SOLAS (don't know when this part was added) there are requirements for bulk carriers to be able to survive either cargo hold no. 1 or any cargo hold being damaged and filled with water. (which of the two apply depends on ship age and density of cargo it's designed for). These requirements didn't exist when this happened. Although as I said, I have my doubts if this would be enough in this situation.

[@kentershackle1329]

@@xpark2001 'Hard to imagine ships get caught in Very Bad weather' Really?.. Bad weather is not main culprit, ships does go thru bad weather, mate . They dont usually run away.. ships sunk usually due failure/failures on the ships itself. and whats about cheap labour in EAST?.

[@schiz0phren1c]

Climbing aboard at your home dock... "THIS SHIP IS *MASSIVE!* sailing into a Typhoon... "we are a leaf bobbing into a waterfall!" Poor feckers, RIP Crewmembers and Captain of the Derbyshire!

[@neymarjr_.]

You really had to make a joke about it.

[@MrTarmonbarry]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/noqZlKCJhLSWpLM

[@andrewoverton5170]

2-3 minutes from the hatch giving way to the vessel going down is frightening. Even if the crew had prepared to evacuate immediately it's surely unlikely any would have got off.

[@donkeyschat5052]

Having sailed as a cadet on a supertanker in the late 70's, where we were taught to load and discharge all tanks evenly else you could break the ship (at the dockside!), I find it incredible that they'd sail with holds with different tonnages in them, let alone with some empty! I sailed on many ships but never on a bulkie.

[@chornobylreactor4]

You been on skinny ships not fat ones don't mean to be rude🙉🙈🙊

[@The-Sea-Dragon-1977]

The reason you load ore in every other hold on a bulker is to keep the GM manageable. If you load all holds evenly then the centre of gravity (G) is so far below the metacentre (point about which the ship will roll) (M) that the ship is too stable (stiff as we say). In this case it’s very very stable, bit if rolled will snap back to upright very fast and may cause damage or injury. If you load every other hold to full then the centre of gravity is higher, GM is a smaller distance and gives a more normal motion as the ship will return to upright more slowly. Think of one of those weebles, childs toys that have a heavy bottom so they wobble but don’t fall over. (Master Mariner & serving Ship’s Master).

[@Basetornado]

David Mearns who has also found HMAS Sydney and the Kormoran eventually found the Derbyshire. He had a chapter in his book on shipwreck hunting dedicated to the search and the reasons why it sank. Stating that finding that it had cracked at the crew compartment was one of the hardest things, because of what it meant to the family's who had been waiting for answers for over a decade.

[@IloveCruiseShips1912]

The mention about a boat from the Derbyshire being found with damage showing it was ripped away kind of reminds me about the sinking of the MV Munchen Great video as always. Keep up the good work.

[@josephkiely6576]

"He made another video" that popped into my head the moment I got this notification. Well done!

[@CasualNavigation]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@josephkiely6576]

@@CasualNavigation I did!!!

[@C.I...]

Is this a bot? Who writes like that lol

[@josephkiely6576]

@@C.I... I write like that.

[@C.I...]

@@josephkiely6576 "Joseph Kiely just replied to me" that popped into my head the moment I saw the notification.

[@Apwdjarland]

Great quality video as usual! :) Im happy that this one did not feel like a commercial. Keep it up!

[@CasualNavigation]

Thanks Anders

[@bieituns]

I wish i had some of these videos when i was studying for my chief mates. I could never get my head around the action to take for a TRS and in which hemisphere. lol I would love to know how you make these videos and what software you use. You sound like someone i worked with down in Dover.

[@CasualNavigation]

It is mainly Adobe After Effects

[@denisiwaszczuk1176]

Yes explains it so easy

[@bieituns]

@@criollitoification You sound like you work in the maritime industry as well. If you do you will know its a small world in the maritime industry especially when it comes to British seafarers. Every now and then i will hear a voice over the VHF that i havnt heard for many years, it not uncommon to cross paths with people you work with again. Only last moth i was up at Fleetwood Nautical college updating my STCW certificates and two people were on the course with me who i hadnt seen for about 10 years. One of which i went through the Suez canal with and the other i went through the Panama canal with. Casual Navigator has quite a distinctive voice and sounds very familiar to someone who worked on the ferries down in Dover and then for Dover port control and last i heard went to Aberdeen. Its not beyond the realms of possibility that it could be him.

[@bieituns]

@@criollitoification Oh right, good to here. I was in Falmouth for the first time last year for a dry dock, i was pleasantly surprised and had a couple of good nights out there. I also stayed a night in Plymouth on my way home which i also enjoyed. I have some good stories to tell from both places. I have a couple of friends in the RFA but i never fancied it myself, although i did work for Foreland for a couple of trips who are similar to the RFA in that they are classed as merchant navy but they are also MOD and can be taken by the Royal Navy in times of war.

[@sunnyjim1355]

"I could never get my head around the action to take for a TRS and in which hemisphere." The you should never be allowed to pass that exam.

[@bieituns]

The modern day Mary Celeste. I sailed on the Shropshire as a first trip cadet for Bibby line not long after watching a documentary about the Derbyshire. We also carried iron ore which had me a little concerned to say the least.

[@marks6663]

the mary celeste was a ship that was not lost. Only the people disappeared.

[@bieituns]

@@marks6663 Still a very mysterious story about a ship. dont be so pedantic.

[@marks6663]

@@bieituns a million ships have disappeared the Mary Celeste was famous only because her crew disappeared. LOL. A modern-day Mary Celeste. LOL. Why didn't you compare it to Amelia Earhart! Lol

[@lecco666]

@@bieituns ignore the keyboard warrior dolt. I bet he hardly ever has a bath let alone sails the oceans.

[@marks6663]

@@lecco666 this guy knew anything about ships in history he would have compared it to the Edmund Fitzgerald not the Mary Celeste.

[@KeshavRoshan]

May the souls of sailers rest in heaven... I can't imagine how they would have faced their end... 😭

[@connormclernon26]

Fiddler’s Green

[@TGouse1]

Sailors*

[@iamasmurf1122]

Maybe they ran out of food and ate each other

[@MrTarmonbarry]

Just hope it was a quick end

[@coloradostrong]

You really think everyone that dies just goes to heaven? 🙄

[@brianwilliams9605]

When you load a bulker you never leave an hold unloaded. When the ship is hogging in weather it can break the keel. It's not the loss of Derbyshire but is the loss of many bulkers.

[@thereforeayam]

Does that hold same for any ocean-going ship of fair to large size?

[@brianwilliams9605]

@@thereforeayam Hi. Yes it is essential to balance a load over the whole length of the vessel even if each hold is half empty. Too many bulkers have gone down due to a bad loading plan.

[@glennpowell3444]

Imagine a length of timber which is capable of supporting x amount of weight suspended like a bridge. You start point loading weight erratically along its length then that length of timber will start to twist in some areas and fail.Now put that into a huge steel hull on a high swell and the problem accelerates. Suspension bridges have failed not because of overloading but bad distribution of the weight of traffic using them.Physics can be a very bad mistress.

[@Ever_2008_ARG]

5:25 honestly, we need a sinking simulator type game with this style, where you can put loads on your ships, see 3 layers of waves, and be able to make rough weather like rainstorms

[@brocksamson3282]

My uncle was an engineer on a super tanker. One day (like 40 or so years ago) they do a drill to test the life raft. They put sand bags in the raft to simulate passengers, and then lower the raft into the ocean. The raft snaps in two, and sinks. Drill complete, they return to normal duties.

[@michaeldeere7009]

Years ago I was a safety inspector, new to offshore, inspecting an oil platform in the North Sea. How many lifeboats do we have? 6. But I can only see 3. Ah that's because they are still on shore. Lets look at these then. No need because the engines don't work.

[@katarishigusimokirochepona6611]

@@michaeldeere7009 And men wonder why we live shorter lives. Did you write them up?!

[@Here_is_Waldo]

Wow. There was me thinking I would just sleep in the life raft if I worked on a ship.

[@donjones3824]

I knew the sister of one of the young men, I think he was the youngest, who was lost with the Derbyshire. I’ll never forget her sorrow when she eventually received the terrible news.

[@garrettnb]

The only thing I would correct you on is at 0:44 You mention Oil Bulk Oil, but OBO refers to Oil Bulk Ore - the 3 types of cargos the vessel could carry. Great video though.

[@MrTarmonbarry]

Just to be pedantic , its two types of cargo not three , Oil or a bulk cargo of ore

[@tjampman]

​@@MrTarmonbarry If it was an English class, I would agree with you, but OBO does in fact stand for Oil Bulk Ore. If you you took you logic to the extreme, really, tankers should also just be called bulk carries, because oil in bulk.

[@MrTarmonbarry]

@@tjampman OBO refers to Oil Bulk Ore - the 3 types of cargos the vessel could carry. Great video though. This is the comment i was talking about , he is saying 3 types of cargo which is wrong . They carry two types , oil or bulk iron ore or coal mainly although they could carry grain as well but that would be unusual for this size of OBO . I sailed on one of these built in the same yards so i think i probably have a better idea about them than you )))

[@moe-eh5vi]

You have some of the best explanations and diagrams on KZbin. Thank you for putting all the effort that must have gone into them.

[@boldblazervids]

I ended up learning a lot about plane crashes from shows like Mayday and the like, but there aren't any that cover ship accidents. So thanks for this video.

[@RedBlaze717]

The loud ding ding din in the middle of the video was my favorite...

[@Lunarpollo5622]

Always looking forward to an upload from this channel

[@bubba99009]

I'm surprised they'd leave holds totally empty while other holds are filled, instead of distributing the cargo throughout the holds evenly - seems like that would have the effect of concentrating a lot of stress on certain points of the hull in rough seas.

[@locklear308]

Yeah that is strange. I mean to me ships should be more than strong enough, but we should still load then logacially

[@schuttrostig5729]

i imagine halve filled holds are avoided in fear of load shifting to one side. that would cause the vessel to list or eaven capsize and be a serious problem in itself eaven without water ingress.

[@johnthomas2485]

But leaves room for the cargo to shift, causing a list.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

292 metres long. A canoe weighs a shitload when it's got water in it, an aluminium tinny is nearly immovable. A huge ship .........

[@ericastier1646]

Not at all, that is perfectly understandable. Greed and dockers making their life easier.

[@lucaschaudel]

You had my curiosity, but now you have my attention

[@etherealessence]

the saddest part of new casual navigation day is that it'll be the month till the next. Having said that, its worth it.

[@aleksavuksanovic3899]

Reminds me of the Berge Istra,a ship like the Deybyshire. It also happened in Asia,near the Phillipines,and the wreck was never found,Great video still!

[@shanestanton8]

Please do a video about The Edmund Fitzgerald. It also sunk so quickly, no one aboard sent a distress call

[@anthonyspecf]

This eerily reminded me of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Such a sad, tragic story.

[@tfsupp]

As a deep sea marine engineer i would like to say that, ships have had bilge/hold water level alarms well before WW2 not since this tradegy, also we oftern continue though the worst storms if we cant slightly divert away from the worst of a hurricane or cyclone (been right though many on bulkers). You never stop or you loose your ability to steer and become a lump of junk being thrown around with the possability of breaching etc, the only time you would stop if if the engine fails or you were forced to, I suppect they just slowed down as getting to close to land is more dangerous in a cyclone and normally you would go in a very large circle if necessary rater than stop. The most logical cause if the ship was loaded as you say with the uneven loading is the final stress failure of the hull due to the hogging and sagging effect that occures on long vessels in rough weather and would certainly have been made worse by the taking of water in the chain locker and forward peek. But a major concern would be the age of the vessel and its corrosion maintenance management of the ballast tank ribs etc which caused many a loss of ship in these circumstances causing less resilience to stress. See @capspread comment below as well.

[@MrTarmonbarry]

On your point about them not stopping you are correct . I had something like this on my first trip . We were of the east coast of Africa , now and then there is something happens in that area (Durban ) ,wher the currents , tides and winds combine to produce BIG waves . It was an old B.P oil tanker , she had a searchlight in the bows for going through the Suez canal with big steel doors closing it in during normal passage . We were pounding straight into the waves because as you said , the risk of breaching is bad if you do anything else . The doors broke open and we had a similar situation to the Derbyshire , taking in huge amounts of water and the forward lockers as well as the chain lockers getting filled, we had no option , we had to turn round so us poor beggers could get to the bow and shore up the doors . Turning round was hairy to say the least but the captain picked his moment perfectly

[@erictaylor5462]

Probably very close to what happened to Edmond Fitzgerald.

[@L33tSkE3t]

Yeah, he even mentions this in his Edmond Fitzgerald video, which is a great video on the subject as well. I highly recommend watching it.

[@lewisbons2503]

I'll tell you something, since yesterday I had been remembering a ship sinking. I saw on discovery channel, like 15 years ago I was a little kid back then, I clearly remember an image of a ship at night in a typhoon getting tremendous amount of water through her deck vents. That picture had been chasing me since yesterday randomly, lastly this video was uploaded with a familiar ship shape, everything was as usual on the video until I saw Japan and then typhoon. This is inexplicable, weird...

[@unvergebeneid]

1:16 "Running out of buoyancy" is a nice way of saying "sinking." 😄

[@C.I...]

Great video, but the animated "subscribe" graphic with the bell noise just as the boat sank was pretty tacky.

[@martrex]

I was a crew member on a container ship sailing Australia to Japan. We went through the same storm that took the Derbyshire, not learning about her fate until a few days later after we arrived in Japan. Going through that storm on that particular night was one of the worst experiences I ever had in my 47 year seagoing career.

[@dillanma]

Check out "A Ship too Far" by Dave Ramwell.Interesting book.All of the Derbyshires sister ships had structural problems

[@MERLK2]

Just looked up - who - build those. Makes sense now. Swan Hunter in Haverton & Wallsend - not the first time they unleashed ships with structural problems onto the world (anyone remebering the ESSO Northumbria & Hibernia - even if those were thankfully scrapped before something worse then spilled oil could happen)

[@everythingautomotiveeta5839]

This was the best break down on this vessel I've seen. And I've watched a 45 minute video and a 20 minute video. This touched on a few things things didn't.

[@durjoy556]

Thank You for elaborating all the causes nicely!

[@cliffbonds1472]

As an avid "Maritime Disaster History" fan Im glad to have found you!! New subscriber, look forward to new videos!

[@TheCoalLobbyist]

You should do a video on the Edmund Fitzgerald is you feel that the amount of videos on it are to high already.

[@BGRANT777X]

Can you explain the OBO combination, I'm failing to imagine how you put bulk cargo in the same space you would put oil.

[@TheZiiFamily]

Big oil drums?

[@BGRANT777X]

@@TheZiiFamily That works but I've seen ships oil tanks, they have heaters and pipes and all those barrels would waste a lot of weight but yeah it would allow you to put cargo in its place.

[@TheZiiFamily]

@@BGRANT777X true

[@garrettnb]

Exactly in the way you're imagining it. The cargo holds have lines for cargo and pumps in the bilge wells. The tank needs to be cleaned well between various cargoes but it is doable.

[@BGRANT777X]

@@garrettnb Is it harder to contaminate oil than I imagine?

[@chiptunechannel]

Really interesting as always! Keep up the great work!

[@avramnovorra]

These guys had no shot of survival the moment the waves came in.. may the rest in peace..

[@bluemiint4105]

That was a very good video, especially explaining the ships specific points :)

[@LadyCooper]

Really great video! One little comment, it left from Sept-Iles in Canada, not "Seven Islands". You don't translate French city names in Canada, the same way you wouldn't call Yokohama "Horizontal Beach".

[@debug9424]

And for the curious, the prononciation is roughly like for the english words "set ill"

[@Knapweed]

@@debug9424 Wouldn't it be closer to Set eel?

[@voidokami1427]

Look at this dude lol

[@jaex9617]

Horizontal Beach it is!

[@RailPreserver2K]

There's an animation showing how the ship literally imploded during its final Plunge and when you see how fast it broke up you really realize just how quickly it sank

[@natalieg90]

Anybody elce thinking it was a rouge wave. Created by the storm. Seems weird an experienced captain didn't sent a distress signal out even a pan pan if his bow was dipping And to sink so quick with life boats ripped off. Can only be a massive rouge wave. Surly the captain would of notices the bow slowly sinking. But a wave hits like a thunder bolt and distroy everything in its path. Hatch covers would be match wood boats ripped off hell even capsize a boat that big. God bless those lost to the sea may possiden keep his secrets

[@arkayokay]

OBO = oil, bulk, ore (not oil bulk oil) graphic doesn't represent actual height of ore cargo. Hove to was primarily to stop ore cargo shift because of the low amount of cargo in the hold and more importantly the very low centre of gravity meant the ship would pitch and heel over (and back) very quickly. Other bulk cargoes of grain or coal would have meant slow steaming in the same conditions. Like others on here I was on a sister ship at the same time, same cargoes.

[@victorben-cnaan5178]

In 1971 I was a surveyor for the new construction of a VLCC for an Israeli shipping company. It was in Howalds Werke, Deutsche Werft, Kiel. At the same time, an OBO, of 200,000 tons DWT, built for a British Shipping Company, was finishing her construction, and soon she departed for her sea trials. Her keel, with some frames and plates, cracked in a smooth sea. The Israeli bulk carrier “Mezada” sunk in 1981, for the same reasons as the “Derbyshire”. Her #1 hatch cover gave way to the stormy sea. Sometime later, the same happened to the #2 hatch cover, she broke in two and sunk. I believe that the engineers, in the 60s and the 70s did not possess sufficient technical knowledge to prevent such incidences.

[@sse_weston4138]

First seeing someone mention Mezada's loss on KZbin, I have a photo cropped from (I believe) a newspaper of one of the final photos of the ship. About half of her length is underwater by that point and the crew trying to use the starboard lifeboat, a raft is already in the water, also to starboard.

[@thomashenderson3901]

Seek out other videos on this vessel. Loading and bow protection didn't help but serious structural alignment flaws were the real issue.

[@daviddavidson2357]

I'd have figured an oboe carrier would have carried musical instruments.

[@spuriouseffect]

I learned from this video to bring my own life raft when on board any ship.

[@ericastier1646]

haha that's exactly what i thought.

[@speicalkeek4579]

that subscription bell timing was perfect, one of the saddest points of the video and all i hear is ding ding ding ding. very pog

[@noddybigears6968]

A good friend of mine was the purser on board the Derbyshire. When the ship was in the states loading, he took time out to go sightsee, during this time he got delayed, he did everything to try make it back on the ship. But no matter what he couldn’t get back...so the ships agents said don’t worry we will fly you out to Japan, and you can join her there...which they did,, so himself the captains wife, were in a hotel waiting for the Derbyshire to come,,,of course it never did... it goes to show that fate does work in mysterious ways...

[@eat_a_dick_trudeau]

Interesting, especially considering the ship wasn't in _the states._ She sailed from Sept-Iles Quebec, _Canada._

[@rs2352]

A great presentation that provides non-professionals a good understanding of this loss. As a professional, also think you did a great job of covering the accident and many of the learnings incorporated. The technical aspects of changes to the various rules and regulations with regard to design / maintenance of hatch covers, that have had a profound impact on the maritime industry, are worthy of note but far too esoteric for all but a few. FYI, a verbal 'typo' in the beginning. It sounds like you mention her Gross Registered Tonnage (GRT) in the beginning, something like 91,000 tons. Later, you provide the more useful Deadweight of ~ 151,000 tons. DWT is the most illustrative, especially for those who compare to semi trucks (at 40 tons each). Again, for the casual viewing, GRT is somewhat akin to a 'tax dodge scheme'. If you ever have trouble sleeping, do a search for 'tonnage admeasurement'....

[@shaunybonny688]

Never heard of this ship or it’s fate before, absolutely frightening. Thank you.

[@jesuschal3802]

interesting to read "Santa Cruz de Tenerife".... cheers!

[@conradmcdougall3629]

That is almost exactly how the Edmund Fitzgerald went down. Same cargo too

[@TheCoalLobbyist]

This was unprocessed iron ore, the Fitz was carrying processed taconite pellets which are a bit less dense. Still so so similar to the Fitz

[@mgmg116]

The Fitz was put down by The Three Sisters

[@6thmichcav262]

Taconite is a low-grade iron ore. What did not help the Fitzgerald (a smaller OBO carrier but still large enough) was that a 13.6k ton vessel was carrying 26.1k tons of taconite in what would eventually reach hurricane-force winds.

[@TheCoalLobbyist]

@@6thmichcav262 I was going to mention in the comment that taconite is Iron ore but I wanted to keep it short so I didn’t mention it

[@thereforeayam]

@@6thmichcav262 ...that's what Gordon Lightfoot sings in his Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald song

[@markjarrett9400]

Thanks for the interesting part about the different quadrants of a storm. Had no idea about that.

[@barbarus2060]

Very well done I always wanted to learn about her

[@gabrielgomescunha]

I was always told that changing a ship's / boat's name brings bad luck. I'm not a superstitious person but these stories make you think a little about where those superstitions came from

[@pc_buildyb0i935]

There's no such thing as the bad luck aspect, but there's correlated data that supports this idea. The longer a ship is around, the more likely it is to be sold to new owners (and typically renamed). The longer it operates under these new owners, the more likely it is to be sold to another new owner (and renamed again), and so on and so forth. Eventually, one of these new owners is going to be negligent in the ship's maintenance and upkeep, and the ship will encounter a situation that causes it to sink.

[@gabrielgomescunha]

@@pc_buildyb0i935 but it's less funny to think about that way

[@masterimbecile]

2:22 Damn... reminds me of the weather reports I'd see as a kid. We get 3 to 4 of these suckers every summer, and every Taiwanese kid loves the words "Typhoon break". In Taipei, it typically doesn't get too bad, until it does, in which case it's pretty f-ing bad.

[@slavenpilepic4620]

Have been working on bulk carrier some time ago and was responsible for the ingress system maintenance. Every time that any hold was empty and washed by the crew, I have recalibrated the system. It was pressure operated and had two values, pre-alarm and alarm. If I remember correctly, 0.5 m and 2 m water level, respectively. No dedicated calibration gear was available so a fair amount of improvisation was needed, including making flanges, hoses, etc. Was my first time as an ETO and no one has ever explained the relevance of the system to me but regardless, it seemed to be a good thing to do, seemed important. Luckily, have never found out what it looks like to have an actual alarm on that system. Hope will remain that way 🙂

[@jenelaina5665]

A a large ship filled with bulk iron ore sinking in a storm in the 70s and it's not about the Edmund Fitzgerald? The hell? Great video thanks! (Edited to add whoops guess it sank in 1980 but still. Rest in peace to all the souls on board.)

[@sse_weston4138]

If you want to get into the nitty gritty of bulk carrier sinkings, I recommend reading "Return of the Coffin Ships" by Bernard Edwards. Scores of these ships sank under similar circumstances, often without a trace.

[@isaac_aren]

Never heard of this before and I was expecting some weird bermuda triangle type story, but this is just scary. Imagine being on a ship, thinking you're out of the danger area of a storm, then 3 minutes later, you are underwater

[@bobsemple3268]

The sinking is like the same as the Marine Electric but in atlantic ocean

[@benwilson6145]

Not at all similar.

[@benwilson6145]

@A Velsen The loss of the Marine Electric should have had the Owners, the USCG Inspectors and American Bureau of Shipping Surveyors jailed for manslaughter. The Derbyshire was a a ship on which the hatches met all the standards as did the rest of the ship. Other than the fact they were ships who sank there was nothing similar.

[@Jay-Niner]

“We hope you enjoyed hearing about the Derbyshire (and how this ship sank and all the crew died horrible deaths in a storm)” has to be the strangest sign-off I’ve seen on KZbin in a while.

[@dmitrivolkov4251]

I've kind of always wanted to serve as part of a ship crew, but this is honestly one of my biggest fears, definitely not the way I wanna go out

[@foamer443]

Correction. They did not depart Seven Islands Canada. They departed Sept-Isle Quebec Canada, this the full and proper place name and yes it can be translated, but this is not how it is recognized.

[@tsm688]

Thank you, I'll actually buy that explanation. It's a much better reason than "not speaking french is xenophobic".

[@Wilhelm-Von-Hohenzollern]

It may not be your specialty, but I'd like to see some videos on great lakes shipping if at all possible, I know much about it, however, I'd like other people to know about it too.

[@allamasadi7970]

Can you maybe do videos on it? It can be a simple whiteboard video

[@CasualNavigation]

I'd like to. I'm hoping to get there to see it for myself one day, so covering it would fit nicely.

[@Wilhelm-Von-Hohenzollern]

@@CasualNavigation trust me, a trip to the great lakes would suit you nicely.

[@Wilhelm-Von-Hohenzollern]

@@allamasadi7970 sorry, but, idk how to make and edit videos, the videos I have are just filmed and posted.

[@Wilhelm-Von-Hohenzollern]

@@allamasadi7970 however, I will try to find a toutorial on it.

[@impishDullahan]

TIL that 'forecastle' also has a fun jargon pronunciation like so much other ship terminology.

[@sentis7018]

Changing a boats name is bad luck

[@coderider3022]

Estonia changed didn’t it

[@EneTheGene]

Yet the vast majority of boats have their name changed at some point.

[@ExpoAviation]

Very interesting, I had read up on the Derbyshire but didn't know about the changes her loss lead to and the seriousness of the risk to bulk carriers as naturally it's not my area (as my name implies). Keep 'em coming mate! :)

[@taylorkrabiel6042]

Love your videos!!! did you read the mairne report for this one?

[@CasualNavigation]

I tried to find everything I could before making this one.

[@williamreymond2669]

It is also worth mentioning that for bulk carriers cargo liquefaction is also a huge concern - and possibly the subject of a future episode.

[@simonrisley2177]

Very instructive. It seems extraordinary to someone like me, whose sailing has been confined to yachts, that such a behemoth should be so vulnerable.

[@derpyguy]

Really, you're far safer being small on the ocean. The square cube law actually works in your favor and the forces on a tiny thing bobbing in a storm are much, much smaller than a gigantic thing. Hence why sealed glass bottles can drift around on ocean currents for years, unharmed through whatever weather gets thrown at them.

[@ultramarine0123]

0:06 did not expect to cry watching the video but I did

[@victoriacyunczyk]

About the bow, a flush bow was not something commonly seen by the time Derbyshire hit the water. The Royal Navy had issues with their flush bows on warships, especially in the Arctic where the water coming over the bow would freeze to the deck and anything else, and thus restrict speed. An example of this would be the early stages of the Battle of the North Cape, where HMS Duke of York had to slow down, whereas Scharnhorst (which had a flared bow) was able to maintain high speed.

[@tamaslapsanszki8744]

Derbyshire is more of a british ship name than Boaty McBoatface could ever be

[@boriscervanti8892]

It is around mid of first decade after Millennium, Brazilian giant VALE told the press they preferred to use VLOCs to transport iron ore to their Far East client. This let to some single-skinned VLCCs (most are over 20 years old, and one of them is ex. "EXXON VALDEZ")going to shipyard to go conversion into VLOC. One Korean Shipowner made around a dozen conversions, and one of them is "STELLAR DAISY" ....... "STELLAR DAISY" sailed around 7 - 8 years after conversion, and sank during transiting Atlantic Ocean on March 2017 due to structural failure around ballast tank (while laden) ....... Flag and Classification pointing each other they are not doing proper jobs. Anyway, another converted VLOC of the fleet was found with cracking along its hull the next year during class inspection. The shipowner may have learnt his lesson and eventually sent all those converted VLOCs to scrapyard in 2019.

[@Hawkathon]

The name of the port the Derbyshire departed from is Sept-Îles, Québec, pronounced (“set eel”). Although that does mean “Seven Islands” in French, since it’s a proper name it should named as written and not translated.

[@lotsamacha1112]

Dont know much about big ships but i have watched almost every re-run of the Love boat.

[@adamsj01]

Love your channel! Magnificent work!

[@CasualNavigation]

Thanks James

[@fhwolthuis]

Why not fill all hulks half in stead of empty and full?

[@paulsagichnicht7552]

because it is faster7cheaper? you just need to open half the hulks, you need to start/stop the filling half as many times ...

[@benwilson6145]

There is a report on the loss of the Derbyshire that actually explains the cargo stowage, this video does not explain it.

[@ArcanisUrriah]

You'd only have to pay to clean 2/3 of the tanks, not all of them

[@tjampman]

I was thinking the same thing, the shear forces between the loaded and empty holds most have been huge, especially since I believe this was a single hull vessel. @arcanis, you don't pay to clean the hold, you do that yourself (or the ratings do).

[@benwilson6145]

@@tjampman Your "Beliefs"are wrong and not based on fact, just speculation. Ore Carriers are specially designed often to carry cargo in alternating holds, but this was not the case here, six of the eight holds had cargo, this is an attempt to reduce the huge righting moments of carrying ore in the bottom of the hold . The Derbyshire was also a twin hulled vessel!

[@Fogman5678]

3 Different Storm trajectories. My God the Mental peril that Captain had to be in. Such a tragedy.

[@chrism4008]

Its wild they can figure these out with so much detail just through forensics, incredible

[@robertramsey4929]

They didn't initially, they simply blamed the crew as being incompetent at first and leaving hatches open, it took the families (Paul Lambert did a lot - brother was on it) to raise money and pay for searches and investigations to find the ship, and figure it all out before anyone became interested - the owners, the industry and the government were a disgrace as usual

[@BritanniaPacific]

This was recently discussed in the new show: disasters at sea. Derbyshire’s episode is appropriately titled: trapped in typhoon alley.

[@gargravarr2]

1:25 *sees partially filled hold* "Oh no it's going to be the free surface effect again isn't it" In the end, it wasn't.

[@233kosta]

In aviation, a commercial aircraft is designed to be emptied in under 90 seconds during an emergency. I don't know how feasible this would be on a ship, but if it were possible to design ships with a similar capability, perhaps rapid hull losses such as this one would result in fewer casualties

[@sse_weston4138]

It really depends on the situation, but such a rapid evacuation is possible with good drilling for the crew. The main stipulating factor would be why is the ship sinking, and where. In the case of Derbyshire, even if she sank slowly, abandoning ship in those seas would have been near impossible. Lifeboats would be dashed by the waves, rafts require swimming to after being deployed, but you also don't want to be in those waters without either. So the best bet is airborne rescue or another ship within the vicinity standing by to pick you up from the water or a raft.

[@LaughingAzusa]

Ship : *Transports oil* Americans : D I N N E R

[@batteriesrequired9401]

My dad worked on the Tees building ship/oil rigs. It a ghost town now.

[@tommendoza4589]

Yay the Derbyshire is here

[@KhangLe-nm8dr]

Thanks for all the content about the ships that sank at sea

[@grondhero]

Well, dang, this one was really sad! And even though you mentioned this took place in the 70's, as soon as I saw "Tragedy off Japan" at 0:57, my mind went "World War 2." lol Anyways, it's always good to see another video from you. :)

[@MrTarmonbarry]

It sank in 1980 so the date given in the video is a bit off . Sailed on one like this , ''Sir Alexander Glen'' , first time i saw a documentary about this it mentioned the two ships . Still send shivers down my spine . We did the exact same run from Canada to Japan , same route,