What Happened to the Mirror Enterprise (Explained)

[@Fatherofheroesandheroines]

I haven't been this early since Zefram Cochran took the Vulcan ship.

[@ladyDelilah84]

Spoillers

[@bluearcher1559]

​@@ladyDelilah84 2005 ahh spoiler

[@gabrieldarcy9067]

​@@ladyDelilah84Bro missed the past 2 decades

[@titusbraxin2188]

Ehh its more like since Zefram Cochran Han solo'd the Vulcans and the onlookers took the ship.

[@casbot71]

A true hero of the Terran Empire. .... and yet somehow, even though Humanity had an actual Vulcan ship to reverse engineer _in their possession,_ they still came up with the NX-Enterprise design.???

[@rubaiyat300]

Completely accidentally by the writers given how often they keep going back to the idea the Mirrorverse is actually a danger, but I love that "A Mirror Darkly" basically amps the Terran Empire by giving them huge tech boosts (TWICE), but it just means the Mirrorverse is constantly the slow kid falling behind the Primeverse again and again. Even in weapons tech, as seen by the DS9 Defiant plans being used to make a scrounged ship with a rookie crew still being able to solo a Mirror Alliance fleet.

[@Vince005aran]

I imagine that progress is constantly slowed by everyone offing each other. There's no collaboration on anything but mutiny

[@garypalmer997]

I believe all the other "mirror universes" are alternate realities from the others shown in other Startrek series. For instance, Discoverys terrans have eye problems, but all the other versions of the terrans didn't.

[@acmenipponair]

@@Vince005aran yes, that was always the implication, that because everybody mistrusted everybody, progress was much slower, as anybody who had an invention feared to be taken out by others.

[@Sephiroth144]

Of course, the Terrans by the time of DS9 had been conquered for decades; they probably would need to scrounge for anything they could use.

[@thatHARVguy]

@@garypalmer997 TOS: Earth-Romulan War lasted 8 years instead of 4 OR Earth lost. ENT: Cochrane stole Vulcan tech. The origin varies depending on the series, but yeah, they fall under alternate realities.

[@芦白龙]

The I.S.S.Karen the most feared ship amongst the fleet, the crew just want to speak to the manager

[@ChrisParlett]

So they're all astronauts on some sort of star trek?

[@TheMysteryDriver]

Cosmonauts. They're like commies or something.

[@nunyah8859]

I don't want to be a statue

[@Rayking895]

I honestly like the Star Trek Continues storyline on what happened after Prime Kirk, Scotty, Macoy and Uhura. I dont know how I feel about spock using the device

[@murasaki848]

Same here. It seems unlikely that anyone whose moral compass was toward reform would trust enough to follow someone whose opponents strategically disappeared so often. Mirror Spock would find it illogical to maintain such a dangerous and hypocritical device. Seems to me the most likely events are in the Star Trek Continues episode "Fairest of Them All" "...And give that traitorous elf a slap for me when you catch him, Jim."

[@DavidNicholson101]

STC perfectly encapsulates what mirror Spock would have done rather than offing his opponents like mirror Kirk.

[@jasonmunro9264]

Yes, Star Trek Continues did a very good episode on this

[@MrMikellsof88]

@@DavidNicholson101 Mignogna's performance during the "Pawns need a King" monologue was fantastic. And Haberkorn's Spock was just as brilliant.

[@robertsmoker8919]

I really couldn't connect with most STC episodes, however I loved the Mirror episode.

[@jmace2424]

As a Trekkie from way back, it hurts my soul that Discovery made its way into this story.

[@tmayberry7559]

Why

[@tubeguy4066]

​@@tmayberry7559STD is garbage

[@stonebaxter]

Ignore it just like the rest of the world does. It's only a matter of time before it's considered alt-canon either way.

[@triforcegaming2678]

So did SNW 🙄

[@overseer5660]

Season 1 Should've started in the future.

[@SilverAranda]

If I where a 31 century Starfleet officer and I was watching a piece of history fly by the window of Starfleet Headquarters the only thing in my mind would be: REFIT!

[@Josiahiswatching]

Honestly same! I was worried this’d be another “significant parallel ship gets destroyed in the escape” but no! An absolute clean recovery and now… I mean it’s RIGHT THERE and no one’s using it sooooo… Captain Owosekun?

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

Not all cultures have the same relationship with historical artifacts as Western culture. The Japanese famously believe in restoring them to their original appearance (check out the 1000 year old Japanese sword). Some don't value them at all compared to replicas, which would be very easy to create in-universe. A bit off topic but honestly, I'm with the Japanese on this one. I truly don't care for all the accumulated gunk and rot most European and American collectors seem to love. What's more ridiculous is that they think anyone who doesn't love it is "defiling" the historicity of the artifact. They want you to believe that all that gunk and rot and faded paint is the one real way to appreciate an artist's craft despite the artifact not looking in any way whatsoever like what the artist intended.

[@LordLOC]

@@Josiahiswatching I feel like the ship will make a return later in the season or in the finale somehow. Or they were setting it up for a return in the next season, that we won't ever get now. I mean they brought back a Constitution class Enterprise to Star Trek (that isn't the one from SNW, obviously) after so long in the prime timeline - it would be really weird if they didn't use it again. Not to mention, it's the same set as SNW basically so why not?

[@JDEhlert]

Wrath of Khan had the USS Enterprise as a training ship for the Academy. There's a Starfleet Academy show coming up. Hmmm....!

[@DMSProduktions]

Where?

[@amazedsatsuma]

It would be a nice Easter egg if the ISS Enterprise gets refitted and becomes a training vessel for the academy series so it can finish its service just like its prime counterpart (cough Star Trek II-III)

[@alejandronopasanada5302]

I’m betting that the cheese rises to the level of Rhys getting his moment being handed the captaincy of some incarnation of that ship 8n the final episode.

[@RanSolari]

I think it’s more likely the Enterprise becomes a museum piece that we’ll maybe see later on.

[@Salfordian]

And set already made via Strange new Worlds

[@Padge112]

I like to think it was stolen from Terra Space Dock. Wonder what Scotty did to the ISS Excelsior?

[@maybetoby]

I wonder if they still have a Fleet Museum in the 32nd century. Put it alongside the other Enterprises. I don't think Georgiou was sent back to the mirror universe. The Guardian said he was sending her back to a point in time where the main universe was closer to the mirror universe, so she wouldn't be experiencing those side effects. So she would still be in the prime universe.

[@stonebaxter]

Including the dubious STD continuity, as well as the alternate SNW, makes this all the more muddled. I think outside of novels, it's safe to say the last time we dealt with this Mirror Universe was Deep Space Nine.

[@oldylad]

Yeah, and I’d honestly say this is the kelvin mirror universe. SNW and disco are way too different and do a lot of damage where it’s unnecessary. Even Picard could fit, though that one can’t be switched over so easily so maybe it stays, but honestly I wouldn’t mind if they did this. I refuse to watch any trek because of it, the only average show we have a is a basic adult animation that just spams nostalgia bait for gods sake, when are they gonna boot Kurtzman and cancel these shows?

[@MihzvolWuriar]

When I saw the episode name "Mirror," I said please, no mirror universe, well, it was just a ship, and I liked how it turned out.

[@JohnVance]

Man seeing the Alterprise winch its 800-year-old ass out of a wormhole was something else.

[@GNz11R3dSh1ft]

I wonder if we will see a 32nd century Enterprise Refit? Considering they managed to do it to the Discovery it would mean they have the resources..

[@majesticmsfc]

It's my hope at the end of the series we see it refitted as the new Enterprise and has come to help the Discovery.

[@walmartpimp2]

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the technology.

[@oldylad]

@@majesticmsfc no, it’ll still be the ISS Enterprise or have a new name. I’m tired of starfleet using old or tiny models for their flagship. The fuckin Titan should NOT have been renamed enterprise

[@KaelanSwan]

Captain Lorca could have been one of the best long running villains in star trek.

[@Tricky117]

Weird how the I.S.S. Enterprise was like Pike's Enterprise when it was lost .... Surely the ship should have looked like it did in the TOS mirror universe episode, not the older Pike style

[@Centurian128]

Yeah, I'm a bit confused there. Especially since they do have access to and already used in Picard Season 3 the CGI TOS Constitution model thanks to STO.

[@RanSolari]

You just have to suspend your disbelief at this point. The DSC/SNW look was meant to be how all Connies looked in modern shows. How the ship looks in shows is a stylistic choice, and likely not something to consider in-universe.

[@triforcegaming2678]

Welcome to Nu Trek that's written by monkies

[@MrMikellsof88]

@@triforcegaming2678 Rather insulting to monkeys don't you think?

[@conhopper418]

The way you have to look at it, why the Enterprise looks different in different series; It's like a story being told by someone and the story is crafted based on what they think something looks like. If this was a historical document and five different people read that document. Each of them would translate it just slightly different. And think if they put on a performance based on what they read, Each of those performances would be different based on what they read.

[@wolfecanada6726]

Well, recovering the ISS Enterprise could provide a setting for the rumoured Starfleet Academy show.

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

I saw the Season 5 episode called 'Specchi' where the crew of Discovery found the I.S.S. Enterprise trapped in an interdemensional wormhole and they used the ships tractor beam to pull the ship out and it was Discovery's chief engineer Paul Stamets who recognized it and the look on everyone's face including Lt. Tilly and either Adira or Gray who were standing next to her when they heard what Stamets said and the look on everyone's face as they were all thinking the same thing 'how the hell did a Terran Warship from the Mirror Universe get here' and after Captain Michael Burnham and Book came back onboard they probably told the crew about it.

[@itsrogue2]

stamits is not cheif engineer though

[@ArtistryBranson]

Ric, this video is so extremely well done. I appreciate your work.

[@DeanNatheos-eq3hl]

A fascinating story the mirror universe I would like to hear more on it. Thank you for the video and have a good evening.

[@DonDiesel885]

The TOS Mirror Universe Episode has always been one of my favorites . . . I will alwaaays have a un-apologetic soft-spot for stories that feature Human Beings really channeling their inner Alpha Species with them showing the rest of the Universe who really is the big dog lol.

[@ozelhassan8576]

I really enjoyed this video, thank you for a entertaining lore

[@stevengalloway8052]

Excellent storyline for this. Thank you... 👏

[@johnhefner2004]

I'm assuming the Star Trek writers didn't pull any from the video game Star Trek Shattered Universe. I loved that game

[@daniellevy4104]

Ps2 :)

[@rubaiyat300]

Was a great narrative, fun gameplay, but sure it really fits into what we've seen of Trek combat and tech, but still I remember it fondly.

[@Voltaic_Fire]

The biggest mystery on this subject is why universal crossings only ever go to that one evil universe when there are literally infinite alternate universes, most of which have no sentient life at all.

[@johanstrohman4465]

it's the distance. prime and mirror were right next to each other so crossing was easy. if my memory serves me correct the 2 universes have drifted too far apart to have any crossovers now.

[@AlienIOIandroktone]

I want to see what Mirror Universe Kahn's deal is

[@stankyyboi]

he'd just be a worse version of Khan, the MU isn't Bizarro World where everything good/evil is flipped

[@AlienIOIandroktone]

@@stankyyboi you could argue that if Kahn was still against the Empire, then he'd be good just by nature of his allegiances, but yeah I don't expect his mortality to be much different. Would the timeline be as different back in the Eugenics War? It could be basically the same Kahn just arriving in two very different futures

[@ManabiLT]

@@stankyyboi On the other hand mirror Khan turning out to be a pacifist would have been a neat twist that led to some really interesting stories.

[@alejandronopasanada5302]

In The Mirror Universe Khan IS Mr. Roarke on fantasy island. It’s the mirror universe so, it’s more like Epstein Island so, there’s that.

[@Menaceblue3]

​@@alejandronopasanada5302 Does Khan get a 3 foot tall dwarf sidekick on the island?

[@Brent_Mosey]

Star Trek Continues (which you can watch on KZbin) is a fantastic fan series. Their third episode was what happened to the mirror Enterprise. The show is just incredible. It has equal, if not better, production value than the original series.

[@casbot71]

There should be another parallel dimension where Starfleet is *pragmatic* but not *xenophobic.* And things are much better there in that Universe. They have more advanced tech since when they find something useful they run straight back to Starfleet Engineering HQ with it. They keep up a very strong military fleet... but one thats not used for Conquest but peacekeeping. And it's effective at that, it's a bad place to be a bad guy. So Starfleet is not caught off guard (repeatedly) by a peace dividend. And no fracking anti-cloaking treaty terms. The Prime Directive would also be *Pragmatic.* No watching while a pre warp species becomes extinct, there's a clause "To prevent extinction, the Prime Directive can be ignored." And there's a a specialist fleet of giant transport ships with cryogenic/stasis facilities to relocate if necessary. Every pre warp species has a dedicated cloaked defence and observation ship/fleet to protect its planet, and operatives monitor and sometimes secretly guide its society away from nasty ideologies and cataclysmic tech once it's getting to 20th century Earth equivalent. Preparing the way for first contact to be as peaceful as possible. That would increase the Federations members. Most importantly, genetic engineering of Humans isn't outlawed after the Eugenics Wars, it's just that modifying Humans to make them _more aggressive and dominating_ is realised to be a very bad idea. Instead a Human species that even the Vulcans admire. It would make a good one off crossing episode, but the *Pragmatic* Humans couldn't be the same cast (with muscle suits) as the population would be completely different, not another you. A actual utopia. To make the Prime Universe Starfleet crew feel inferior.

[@BoojayDeeth]

Have you read the Iain M Banks "Culture" novels?

[@rhuman8672]

Quite a good idea

[@hackman669]

So just like Stargate. An unlimited number of universes for the heck of it.😅

[@rubaiyat300]

That's fun to play as in a 4x, but the entire point of Trek is that our intrepid heroes in Starfleet AREN'T pragmatic. They have open arms and let the other guys shoot first. That's the point of the show, if gravity itself needs to become a repulsive force (ie if the laws of reality need be rewritten) for our heroes to still win and their ideals to win out, then so be it. Because one person's pragmatic and common sense is the future's war crime.

[@fluffly3606]

....................................................................................Philosophical Trek (and to some extent philosophical sci-fi in general) is best when it presents a complex problem without a clear "correct" solution and invites the viewer to ponder it and draw their own conclusions. There needs to be some sort of tradeoff here, pros and cons of each approach that leave you questioning which one is the better future. Maybe one of the universes achieved an (on the surface) better end but lost more lives in the process, something like that.

[@beangrff]

I like Discovery a lot, but what was the point of making this confusing story line? Why has the Enterprise been un-refitted to the Pike era and has the pre TOS sets again? This seemed like filler to re use sets and fill up time because Mol and L'oks storyline isn't very logical and could easily be solved by buying them off.

[@theblackwidower]

My theory is that the look of the TOS sets were actually due to the fact that they didn't have a budget in the 70s. The Enterprise is supposed to look like it does in SNW. There was no refit.

[@shattered_helix]

Something that I've wondered since Discovery moved to the future is what ever happened to the "bigger on the inside" tech that we saw in the Enterprise episode "Future Tense"? It seems to have been completely forgotten about or abandoned.

[@Dannyvegas1701]

Although they never said it on screen, if that was implemented as part of Discovery's refit that would explain the massive empty space in the turbo lift battle from the season 3 finale

[@shattered_helix]

@@Dannyvegas1701 true, I had forgotten about that. However, I would expect it to be used on things like shuttlecraft or in a more obvious manner. Regardless, I do think that technology needs a deep dive.

[@rubaiyat300]

@@shattered_helix Honestly, with refinements of what we know they can do it should be readily doable. Heck phase cloak most of a ship and add a holographic sheath and you fly around in what looks like a shuttle to all sensors but have internal space that makes the Galaxy Class look like an Oberth, which most of it would park under the surface of any planet you land on. If the neutronium hull thing is legit, then you can use that insane mass to simply BUILD huge ships as needed.

[@shauntempley9757]

That might be banned in Discovery. Due to it being dimensional technolgoy.

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

I hope we'll see the ISS Enterprise again in the upcoming Star Trek Academy, as a training ship.

[@davidalangay1186]

3:53 So cold! 😄😄 Great video.

[@alanpiper3711]

I read a comic book about the star trek mirror universe during the movie era of the series with Kirk & Spock.

[@clapped-cheeks]

WHEREEEE...........

[@Numba003]

A government under Emperor Spock sounds pretty cool, lol. I would be interested to hear more about Earth history in the Mirroverse overall. Thank you for this timeline video! The Mirrorverse is a wild place, lol. God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)

[@hackman669]

Love the idea of Spock as a badass using alien tech to rule the galaxy 😂

[@CliffordBruner]

One thing they left out is how the "Klingon- Cardassian Alliance" conquered the "Terran Empire" which is something this video completely ignored.

[@jaredcolon4535]

Will this clearly does indicate as well as implies that Enterprise was never refitted in the Mirror Universe but it brings into question what is the Mirror Universe of Khan

[@blacktronpavel]

Fascinating. I’m actually happy at least one version of the original Enterprise survived.

[@jorgecartman3236]

And here I thought Emperor Spock was killed by the Klingon / Cardassian Alliance, as told in the book "The Sorrows of Empire"...

[@PaulJR-hp2qm]

I really appreciate these narratives though for me, nothing beats Spock’s cliffhanger line “Captain Kirk, I shall consider it…”

[@patrickantone1203]

The Imperial Flagship ISS Karen is hailing us Sir! They demand to speak to a manager!

[@hackman669]

A Karen, halt mission. Fire all weapons! This parasite must not be allowed to infect gen Z and Alpha. For the love of God we must spare future generations from this infection.😅

[@deadturret4049]

I hate how so much stuff has been retconned as "happened in discovery first, got classified".

[@CertifiablyIngame]

To be fair, most of that came from S1 of Discovery and remains my biggest gripe. I try not to hold it again the later seasons though. Plus it's going to be a problem with any prequel series that wants to capture familiar things, Enterprise introduced the Ferengi before official contact in TNG too.

[@barrybend7189]

​@@CertifiablyIngameyes but we only heard the name Ferengi once from one species and both nothing from them. It does make a bit of irony in Trek the only reason the Ferengi weren't seen again until TNG era was hilariously we looked too good to be true deal wise.

[@fluffly3606]

@@barrybend7189, And I headcanon that we _were_ in some way. Insert _that_ Quark-Garak dialog here

[@jackieanderson9408]

Thanks for the breakdown ☺️

[@RedneckSpaceman]

Star Trek Continues "Fairest of Them All" is a "sequel" to "Mirror Mirror" Kirk's Transporter Room Speech is re-done perfectly!! If you've not seen STC, you're in for a treat!!!

[@Robert_Douglass]

Thanks for this. I hope to see more of him (I get the feeling that Mirror Universe ships aren't called "her") in the final episodes of Discovery, maybe even making one last final stand against the Breen to rescue the Discovery crew and Moll and L'Ak.

[@miamibo1]

You always do great work. I was watching Start Trek UDC and was wondering in your opinion what is the Federation President went ahead with Colonel West plan, "Operation Retrieve" to rescue Capt. Kirk and Doctor McCoy from Klingon custody?

[@CertifiablyIngame]

Thank you! I'd have to rewatch it as I've not seen it recently. Honestly from what I remember the decision under any other circumstances might have been seen as provoking the Empire, but in this case there was more going on to warrant an ... "extraction".

[@rollin-kimblecroskey9110]

Where did you get all of your information?!

[@kineuhansen8629]

i am so confused if this is the iss enterprise from post the mirror mirror episode then why does it look like the strange new world enterprise

[@scottkfilgo]

I feel like the new Treks really want us to just forget that detail. And I almost would except we saw the Connie in all her 1960s glory on the DS9 Tribble episode. They clearly used brand new footage of the ship in this pocket dimension so how hard would it have been to use the digital model from Picard Season 3 as the correct ISS Enterprise ship hull? My head canon has to allow that at least in the Mirror Universe, the Enterprise looked one way in the 2260s then another by the late 2200s to mid 2300s. We don't know how the ISS Enterprise looked in the 2250s though precedent suggests it was the sleeker Disco-prise. That's a lot of back and forth refitting!

[@kineuhansen8629]

@@scottkfilgo i will agree on the refit is in my head canon as well special in the prime universe could explain on how we went from snw enterprise to the tos enterprise perhaps in the upcoming gorn conflict in snw enterprise will get badly damaged and she would need some repairs and then they refit the ships into the one we see in tos wich thanks to picard we see both models of the class

[@luizeduardoortizduarte4380]

Its a visual reboot, the ship is the same as always been, history wise, but some people cant handle the idea it seems.

[@kineuhansen8629]

@@luizeduardoortizduarte4380 i dont belive in visuel reboot since we see both design on screen in picard wich are canon i belive we see the snw design in a hologram in season 1 of picard and the tos design in season 3 at the fleet museum

[@luizeduardoortizduarte4380]

@@kineuhansen8629 well the ship will need to be 200 m smaller in the next refit then lol, since snw enteprise is 400 m

[@bruceblackerby3742]

Great summary.

[@capie44]

About 25 years later, compulsory vehicle insurance was legalized. Then a series of rampant meteor showers persistently hit the coast settlements of the Neutral zone. The insurance corps took vehicle insurance money and applied it to meteor infrastructure claims. Then passed that cost with higher vehicle premiums. This required the Enterprise to park due to impossible premium dues. .

[@mikecronis]

All hail Empress Sato! Star Trek Discovery is canon and Prime Timeline? Seems more Kelvin somehow. Kirk's Vampire Cloud would not have been affected by the phaser fire as shown in the TOS episode, and his guilt redeemed.

[@SynchronicityScenario144]

I'm glad there was no (dark/bad) mirror universe in TNG.

[@casbot71]

C'mon, Picard with a goatee? And would Data have one as well?

[@ManabiLT]

@@casbot71 Data would have probably been a metallic humanoid robot with no interest in becoming more human-like. He'd have specialized in torture, with lots of torture implements embedded in his frame, ready to pop out and put to use at a moment's notice. Think Triple Zero from the _Darth Vader_ & _Doctor Aphra_ Star Wars comics.

[@Sephiroth144]

Not in the show... Well, I'd bet there WAS a brief one- I mean, how many universes did we see during Worf's little mess in S7?

[@joshuariddensdale2126]

The Next Generation era did finally get a Mirror Universe comic book miniseries, Mirror Broken. As someone else replied, Mirror Data has no desire to be human, but is instead a sadistic torture android. And yes, Mirror Picard has a goatee. In those comics, the Terran Empire is on the brink of defeat at the hands of the Cardassian-Klingon Alliance. Picard is still Captain of the aging Stargazer. But the Terran Empire scrapes together enough resources to build the Enterprise-D, which they hope will turn the tide.

[@felgercarbful]

You might like Diane Duane's _Dark Mirror_.

[@casbot71]

Random thought; *How did the Mirror Universe Andorians feel when they first heard about Humanity?* .... another species was invading and conquering their long-term rivals/foes the Vulcans? "They could be our Allies." Perhaps that's how the early Terran Empire survived, they had Imperial Andorian help in fighting the Vulcans. Only after the Vulcans were defeated did Terrans turn on the Andorians, and they realised far too late that Humans were the real threat. Because even with the tech from a reverse engineered Vulcan scout ship, and a lead up time if they kept that secret from the rest of the Vulcans ("we lost a scout ship on a long range mission, logically it must have been destroyed with all hands"), post WW3 Earth would have been no match for the Vulcans, who were a serious power at the time.

[@rubaiyat300]

Plus in any realistic war, the Romulans would not stand by to watch Vulcan be conquered. The realistic meaning there's no surprise insta-kill victory and it's a prolonged siege that can be observed and analyzed.

[@gunsort3242]

The immediate aftermath of "Mirror, Mirror" in the parallel universe is perfectly explored in the Star Trek Continues episode, "Fairest of Them All".

[@NateWilliams-h8q]

I had to scroll way too far to find this. Love that series, it perfectly captures the old campy TOS vibe.

[@MikesTek]

Just watch Star Trek Continues, Ep 3 Fairest of them All. It explains everything with a great story and acting.

[@TheImperialAnswer]

My assumption is that the Enterprise would have been destroyed by the Klingons-Cardassian Alliance. I suppose I was incorrect.

[@lazurusredd8682]

This Enterprise would be far before the fall of the empire and the form of the Cardasian and Klingon alliance

[@NateWilliams-h8q]

Go watch "Star Trek Continues" for the answer to this. I believe it was episode 7? Maybe 6?

[@dylanlewis5113]

I.S.S. Enterprise never received the TMP Refit. Heck, she was reverted back to her late 2250's wartime configuration. Fascinating.

[@DaveBell-l6b]

What about ds9 and their trips into the mirror universe?

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

I wish they'd make a Mirror universe tv series

[@DeaconBlues117]

I don't. The evening news is getting close enough as it is.

[@thatHARVguy]

@@DeaconBlues117 As someone else commented, the MU is the optimistic reality compared to real life.

[@thetandfpodcast]

Discovery is basically that.

[@odenwalt]

Those progenitors sure do look a lot like the sphere builders.

[@hackman669]

Exactly, same species different will? Perhaps a split in their siciety?🤔

[@rubaiyat300]

Well remember they were changing space to be more comfortable for them, so they are from a different dimension. I guess that doesn't preclude a connection, but probably means the connection is tenuous.

[@LRK-GT]

@@rubaiyat300 Perhaps, Plan A was to 'integrate' their qualities into an organism adapted to this realm. Plan B. was to 'terraform' this realm. [Ala Prometheus]

[@ianslater4364]

Mixed realities, we have to split the NBC and CBS Trek

[@Marcus51090]

The Star Trek discovery people said “it is a mirror universe enterprise but don’t be too sure it’s mirror universe you’ve seen there’s more than one”

[@kategirault5350]

Infinite parallel universes means infinite mirrors as well. 🙂

[@damongraham1398]

My bet is the ISS Enterprise is updated and assigned to Section 31 captained by Philippa Georgiou

[@mattbarker336]

How? Georgiou isn't in the 32 century anymore

[@damongraham1398]

@@mattbarker336 I forgot about the cohesion thing🤦🏿‍♂.

[@patricgmuer2988]

How could Philipa Georgia be on the enterprise when she came over on discovery and then jumped to the future with discovery?

[@joshcoop1295]

Should consider that Mirror events could have been altered in Discovery Season 3 after Phillipa stepped through the Guardian again after being tested which could be why we see that Enterprise and not Mirror Mirror's..or at least the original eras version of it..

[@Salfordian]

Amazing how a 1000yr old starship still looks new inside apart from a bit us stuff threw around and flickering lights, they couldn't be bothered putting a bit of dust on the set

[@Selbinkoll1]

I’m sure environmental systems cleared the current dust, and wth no crew, there was nothing to generate new dust.

[@CertifiablyIngame]

I am going to mention this in my review, kinda. I'm surprised there is still power. Dust is mostly created by organic life so it being absent is understandable, but I would still have liked to see a more derelict ship vibe for sure

[@lazurusredd8682]

Being the ship was stuck in a temporal rift it was frozen in time basically

[@oldylad]

@@lazurusredd8682it wasn’t a temporal rift, it was dimensional. And the ship was damaged to the point that the refugees couldn’t get it into the prime universe so like, just some flickering lights makes 0 sense regardless. They used the SNW set and couldn’t be bothered to make it look messed up, and this show has more budget than any prior show LMAO

[@Usa_mikek]

Well I'll go with Star Trek Continues version.

[@ironflowerrevolution9165]

Star trek mirror universal needs a TV show paramount pictures need make it

[@chadwickmacarthur4760]

Long as they don’t make it anything like discovery and more like strange new worlds

[@RiwenX]

@@chadwickmacarthur4760 Discovery made me stop caring about new Star Trek releases

[@lazurusredd8682]

​@@RiwenXthen the only thing you did was just robbed yourself of seeing how good strange new worlds is

[@hackman669]

They need to introduce other universes like Stargate did. Wonder what happened to the dark universe after DS9? Thought Cisco helped then the story is dropped. Hope everything ends well for the Terrain. 😊

[@DrewDyrewood]

They need to figure out what they are doing with the constitution class, and the TOS era in general. They are constantly switching back and forth between shows when it comes to aesthetic. The Disco era Connie is larger than the og, but then we get the classic shuttle and tech in Prodigy. We have every episode of SNW, but then we see a classic Connie in the fleet museum. They can't make up their minds and, imo, they've realised the redesign was overdone and a bit excessive (this is NOT to say the design overall is absolutely terrible). The Disco starfleet in general was just badly designed, though we wont speak about the klingon ships and aesthetic, and trying to claim, "its all the same timeline," just seems disingenuous. I do like the 32nd century starfleet designs, though. Anyone else feel like they cant make up their minds?

[@triforcegaming2678]

Nu Trek sucks, Alex Kurtzman and Akiva Goldman need to leave

[@kategirault5350]

It's a little confusing, but this is hardly the first time Star Trek hasn't been internally consistent. I'm willing to overlook the weirdness though, because honestly...both ships are very cool.

[@onetruekeeper]

When mirror Kirk returned to his ship he likely used the Tantalus device on Spock since he suspected the other Kirk may have given him dangerous ideas which he was afraid that Spock was going to report to Command.

[@samueleveleigh2767]

One thing to note about philippa georgiou is that she was only dying because she both traveled dimensions and time. If she was to say cryogenicaly freeze herself akin to kahn then tlshe would be in the right time as discovery but without time travel. Taking the slow route as it were...

[@Aragorn7884]

They could have gone with ANY other Constitution-class...I get it's budget reasons, but there's more than 1 ship that looks like the Enterprise...

[@XiaOmegaX]

Maybe, but there's hints this isn't the end of the ISS set redress (as minor as it was)...

[@alejandronopasanada5302]

The point is: Do you remember the thing? You know!? That thing from when you loved this thing I own!? Remember when your wife’s **** were firmer or you weren’t divorced? I’ll show you a thing from that time that only I can show you for money but like monthly. How about when you didn’t have bills to pay or your dad was still alive? I own all kind of stuff from whatever time period that pulls at your heart strings and I’m gonna blast it into your face along with some special effects so I can get this sweet ad revenue money. Don’t worry about the plot just focus in on the thing I’m gonna show you that reminds you of a time before you found out the love of your life DID in fact do that thing she told you she didn’t normally do and in fact she had done it to Tyrone and then kissed you in the mouth at church. Next week we’re bringing back The Sisko. It’s really just some shots of a stunt double and some CGI over images we got of Avery Brookes at Whole Foods. We’re selling the company to Skydance so most board members will be long gone by the time the lawsuit hits.

[@RalphVermillion]

That's what Star Trek search for Spock should had been about the return of mirror Spock and mirror enterprise

[@zzygyy]

Yeah would have been a cool replacement

[@AndrewSprague]

For those wondering, the NCC-1708 is the Intrepid. I didn't catch why they used that model in this video. Free, perhaps. 🙂

[@rhysh7390]

On a rewatch of DS9 recently, when getting to that first episode in the mirror universe where they explain the Terran Empire being overthrown, I thought they might have explained it differently by the probe from ST IV decimating things as no heroic time travel to save the whales occurred. Might have been nice?

[@KuDastardly]

I wonder if the Phase II episode that epilogued Mirror Mirror would fit into it. Also, I wonder if Georgio Phillipe might be the decscendant of Hoshi Sato. 🤔

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

Anyone remember what episode of Star Trek:Discovery was the one where the crew of Discovery pardon the punn found the Constitution Class I.S.S. Enterprise.

[@Emy0530]

Season 5 Episode 5

[@feralprocessor9853]

Right off the bat, spaceships, space stastions and earth.

[@casbot71]

What if the Mirror universe Tholians had held off the Mirror NX-Enterprise and succeeded in reverse engineering it themselves. Would they have destroyed the Terran Empire or just kept them out of Tholian territory? But then what... a dominant Tholian Empire in the Alpha Quadrant?

[@oldylad]

There wasn’t any tech on the NX that was useful to them? Iirc they only won because of the defiant, they’d have to successfully keep the defiant and reverse engineer that

[@dupersuper1938]

Was it revealed that the mirror universe Tholians set a trap? I haven't seen the Enterprise two parter in years, but I remembered it as the Tholians just happening to be the ones who grabbed it when it popped up in their space.

[@oldylad]

The tholians are big into time and dimensional sciences so they probably brought it over intentionally, but it likely wasn’t a trap

[@lasarith2]

Given the amount of of people they kill to get there positions , I’m puzzled by how the mirror universe still manages to produce copy’s of key characters ~ Kirk spock, sisco, O,Brian (DS9) (Voyager crew - prodigy) discovery etc .

[@mudvalve]

Interesting!

[@ConMag-Fhionnghaile]

V'Ger could only be stopped by our Enterprise. Mirror Enterprise crew would've died the same as the Klingons in TMP, then the rest of the Terran Empire and all other organic life thereafter. The Mirror Universe would become a Ghostverse.

[@haroldchase4120]

She should become fleet museum

[@shanenolan5625]

There is a book series, it covered spock and his planned fall of the empire snd its resurrection, using genesis technology. But covered his rish to captain, admiral, grand admiral, chancellor snd emporer. Up to around the kithomer events

[@davidgiles4681]

as i remember: good kirk (from non empire) convinced evil spock (from empire verse) that a govt (based upon fear, conquest, and other negative aspects) did not fit logically. logic would state - an empire based upon fear, conquest, oppression, etc... - would soon fall as the oppressor would soon meet a point in which oppression would fail, fear would be replaced with the love of freedeom, the conquerers would then be conquered, those who enslave will eventually become slaves to (who previously enslaved). the mirror verse spock then "conspired" to have the non-mirror verse kirk returned to his verse and "his captian" returned to the mirror verse. meanwhile on the other side: spock logically assumed that kirk was not acting correct. He was too aggressive, too mean, too quick to deal out punishment. at the end (If i remember correctly) good (non-empire verse) stated (when asked how he discerned this) - spock (non-empire verse) said, "it is easier for a civilized person to act non-civilized then a non-civilized person to act civilized.:, what this means = a person grounded in non-empire thoughts can act in an empire thought pattern (because the non--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[@coecludd]

Thanks you. I couldn't figure out from what period the ISS Enterprise was from. I still don't like the fact it's the SNW design. I assumed that the USS Enterprise from SNW was changed to look like it does by TOS. This episode confirms that classic design has been "erased" from new Trek (apart from the one in the Picard fleet museum). Very annoying actually for us long term fans.

[@DeaconBlues117]

It confirms nothing of the sort. In fact, it's entirely possible that ISS _Enterprise_ underwent a refit that happened to make her look like her old-school Prime counterpart, similar to how all the people seem to coincidentally wind up in similar positions in Prime and Mirror.

[@Jamesalec63]

It's impossible to answer to this because that event possibly never actually happened in the new timelines or if it had that Enterprise was taken apart by the Federation scientists to discover how it worked a curious question here, is this how the warp core was improved at this time and transporters had an upgrade too in just a small amount of time? On a twist to this in Mirror Mirror and other stories has anyone ever noticed how that version has a slightly different color scheme in the design of the uniforms theme slightly darker in the captain logo not golden more coper-like style? And how the layouts of the two brigades are on main Enterprise and the Mirror Enterprise look slightly different the captains chairs are set at different heights even so slightly different. And if you think in Enterprise the series that is the Enterprise it is actually another ship the twin of Enterprise?

[@scottkfilgo]

I gotta ask how you acquired the dates for Spock's post-Mirror Mirror history. We see on the ISS Enterprise in the new episode that the plaque is dated stardate 32336.6 which places the plaque and probably the transdimensional defection in 2345 (ten years before TNG season 2 stardates). Perhaps your dates for the fall of the Empire in the late 2200s (2285 etc) are based on long established Beta Canon, but this Alpha Canon seems to suggest a much later date for the fall of the Terran Empire.

[@CertifiablyIngame]

Yes its beta content added in until we have something concrete to contradict it. However I also excluded a lot of stuff that happened from the non-canon sources however that I doubt happened now, so it's a little in complete. To be fair, I did not work out the stardate, but assumed it was added by the science team returning because it seems a little strange for the refugees to record their tale in a dedication plaque while they were still living it. I assumed Dr Cho added it here as part of the Progenitor team's "lessons".

[@berges104]

I do not remember the book name. Mirror Kirk or Mirror Spock led the Terran forces against a Borg invasion, nearly a century early. The Empire won but was so diminished that rebellion quickly ended the empire

[@TheGreyTurtleEntertainment]

If this is how Disco brings in the 34th century Enterprise, im gonna be annoyed, but unsurprised by the writing.

[@Thaumh]

How does all this fit into the TNG/DS9 Mirror Universe where the Terrans are apparently utterly concurred by the Klingons?

[@amazedsatsuma]

It is likely that the Mirror universe Klingons already formed their Alliance with Cardassia and were at war with the Terrans before Spock's death. Afterwards, Spock rose to Commander in Chief of the Empire by preaching reforms, disarmament, peace. It was quite a remarkable turnabout for his people. Unfortunately for them, when Spock had completed all these reforms, his empire was no longer in any position to defend itself against us. ~The Intendant aka mirror Kira, DS9 Crossover

[@RanSolari]

The conflict between imperialists and reformists almost certainly weakened the Empire, making it all the easier for the Alliance to conquer.

[@DeaconBlues117]

That happened over a century after Action Saru led an uprising and stole 1701. The new tech the Terrans swiped from DS9 gave them the power to defeat the Klingon/Cardassian Alliance and restore the Empire.

[@Swampyankeehomestead]

So are qwail eggs easy to incubate?

[@vasyear]

I also believe that that ship in Disco, was from the season 3 Terran Empire not the season 1

[@UGNAvalon]

A -life- ship for a -life- ship. The Mirror Universe took the Defiant, and in exchange, we got their Enterprise. (Tho they also got the plans for our Defiant, but whatever.)

[@GODCONVOYPRIME]

How come The terran EMPIRE didn't build a weapon? Something with so much power it could destroy planets?

[@DeaconBlues117]

What's the fun in destroying a planet when you can conquer it and enslave the population instead? You'll notice that in "Mirror, Mirror", even though the crew question Kirk not wiping the planet out, they do seem to accept his further attempts to get them to surrender as within Imperial policy.

[@Linux1972]

Wouldn't the first time actually have been when Archer's Enterprise went into the mirror universe?

[@MidCenturyMikey]

Hopefully there's not a copy of that character Tilly, one's enough. Thank you

[@triforcegaming2678]

They royally screwed up by using the SNW version.

[@fredleggett923]

Huh. What happened to that Enterprise sounds a lot like what occurred with the Megaroad from Macross.

[@TheTransporter007]

I want to know the story of the CSS World Razer NCC-2101-D (JLP's ship in the mirror universe)