What Happened to the Old Welsh Flag?

While the Dragon Flag of Wales, known as Y Ddraig Goch in Welsh, is one of the more memorable of the world's flags, Wales does also have a second unofficial flag, known as the St David's Flag. In this video I explore the history of both the Red Dragon Flag and St David's Flag, going back to the time of the Romans and the Romano-Britons and Anglo-Saxons as well as the Welsh Wars of Independence with Owain Glyndŵr and beyond.
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[@chadhill455]

The story of my homeland isn't told enough, despite how ancient and interesting it is. I'm glad you're telling our story, since I own schools don't..

[@TheHacknor]

My limited understanding is that the Welsh government is introducing a new curriculum which aims to do just that, though by the sounds of it you guys were just taught the same stuff we were across the border which doesn't seem right

[@THEMONKEYWITHNOSOUL]

@@TheHacknor It went to the senedd but Welsh Labour voted it down. Would've taught BAME history too

[@jakelb2990]

I took history at GCSE and a level and we only really talked about wales twice and I’m welsh btw

[@daikayll1897]

Checkout the work of Alun WILSON & Barram Blacket Chad if you want some proper ancient Briton history. You'll never think of Wales in the same way again.

[@jaywalkersot767]

@@daikayll1897 yes I agree Alan Wilson has some great knowledge on this subject backed by archaeology too,the history goes way back before Rome invaders

[@MrMomo182]

The flag of New South Wales should have an upside down dragon.

[@fedora997]

Doesn't New South Wales use the Australian flag?

[@jonathanpritchard4517]

very funny!

[@rycolligan]

with a pouch on its tummy where a baby dragon's head sticks out

[@jamesgould3263]

As someone from NSW I would 100% support this

[@tireachan6178]

Haha I like it!

[@greedsin555]

Yes dragons are the best thing to put on a flag

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

there are better things,but i prefer dragons than some horrible made flags out there

[@bandav_lohengrin]

Yeah dragon and eagles

[@zoetropo1]

David Cebrero: Griffins!

[@adventussaxonum448]

I agree....but wyverns....and gold (or white).

[@therabman_5606]

Prefer a red hand myself lol

[@ghastlyghandi4301]

“Finishing the British trilogy” Cornwall: **sad corn noises**

[@THEMONKEYWITHNOSOUL]

Cornwall is just a Welsh exclave

[@zoetropo1]

The Monkey With No Soul: and Breton.

[@Daniel.Liddicoat]

If we let the UK fall apart I hope Cornwall can go be part of Wales

[@THEMONKEYWITHNOSOUL]

@@Daniel.Liddicoat Cornwall is first on the invasion list

[@AzharaSophie]

Daniel Liddicoat If UK falls apart there’s no way Cornwall isn’t going to become its own country

[@Hin_Håle]

The Saint David's flag looks like a swedish flag that's gone goth.

[@havolei]

In fact the blue colour of the Swedish flag was much darker, until some 100 years ago. I find that older flag more beautiful than the present, medium blue one. Greetings from Sweden!

[@craigmurphy1204]

"It's not a phase, mum!"

[@Hesperell]

England: Royal banner with beasts gives way to saint's cross Scotland: Royal banner with beast gives way to saint's cross (Northern) Ireland: Royal banner with harp gives way to saint's cross (ish) Wales: Saint's cross gives way to beast

[@rehabwales]

Well no. They never used a saint cross in Wales. Hopefully, they won't use it.

[@captbumbler5356]

you got it wrong if you watched the video the Black and Gold flag only came into being in the 1900, the Dragon flag is much older.

[@SamButler22]

Malta has a dragon. They were awarded the George Cross and they put it on the flag, there is a dragon on the George Cross. It's very small

[@llamallama1509]

TIL. That's an awesome little factoid

[@BadgerLovingFluffster]

It is very small and also being killed... but good spot

[@AndrewGruffudd]

The story of the red and white dragons appears in the Mabinogion in two stories: firstly the tale of Lludd and Llyfelus, whereby one of the challenges of Lludd's rulership was the warring of two dragons who, with his brother Llyfelus' help, he intoxicates and buries in a kistvaen "in the centre of the island", then in the tale of Merlin, where Vortigern was building a castle which kept falling down, and Merlin diagnosed the problem as coming from the kistvaen at the bottom of the lake, and that if he drained the lake and opened the kistvaen, the dragons could fight to the death, the winner foretelling the victor in Vortigern's fight with the Anglo Saxons. Of course, the Mabinogion was written down by monks, as the Red Book of Hergest, the White Book of Rhydderch and the Black Book of Carmarthen, whose name borrows from Merlin's (the Welsh, Caerfyrddyn, means "Merlin's Fort", and it is supposed the magician came from there), from the oral tradition of Brythonic Kelts.

[@zoetropo1]

The centre of the island is where Alan Rufus built Richmond Castle. It took many centuries to fall down, because Alan Rufus himself is the union of the White and Red dragons.

[@Cinemallennials]

Came to comment this! Thank you!

[@KaiserMacCleg]

Although both stories probably derive from a much older oral tradition, the oldest surviving copies of the tale of Lludd and Llefelys are much later than the tale of the two dragons in the Historia Britonnum, and date from the 12th and 13th centuries. It forms a prequel of sorts, explaining how the dragons came to be trapped beneath Vortigern's castle in the earlier tale. The name Caerfyrddin doesn't actually relate to Myrddin / Merlin. The - fyrddin element derives from the Brythonic / Latin name for the town, Moridunum (mor meaning sea, dunum meaning fort). Therefore Caerfyrddin actually means "fort sea fort"). Over time the traditional association of the place with Merlin warped the spelling of the name to more closely resemble his own - a process called folk etymology.

[@elig6791]

@@KaiserMacCleg actually your wrong it is the Mabinogion it was written down by monks in the seventh century I believe

[@KaiserMacCleg]

@@elig6791 Nah man, the earliest surviving copies of the Mabinogion are found in the Red Book of Hergest and the White Book of Rhydderch. Both date from the second half of the fourteenth century (1350 - 1400). They were probably copied from earlier manuscripts (now lost), but the language used - Middle Welsh - would suggest the Mabinogion were compiled no earlier than the 12th century. The Historia Britonnum, where the tale of Vortigern, Merlin and the two dragons is found, is much older. It's important to note that both stories could well have been part of Wales' oral tradition for centuries before they were written down though. :)

[@gwennblei]

I'm impressed that you know of the Kroaz-Du, it's not well known even in Brittanny ^^ Excellent video as usual :)

[@TheDataman2]

great vid mate. Good effort on the pronunciation, i'm a first language speaker and studies welsh history in uni, so let me know if you want help with welsh words in future vids. St. Davids flag (Banner sant Dewi) is a very common sight in welsh nationalist rallies and on st davids day of course. I prefer this flag also because it is holds the colours of my home county of Ceredigion (Cardiganshire) - a rampant gold lion on a black field. keep it up, Diolch yn fawr!!

[@bujin1977]

I prefer Y Ddraig Goch to the St David's flag, although I'm not a fan of the Tudors! Would prefer the four rampant lions of Owain Glyndwr to both flags. Incidentally, really looking forward to seeing a video from you on Owain Glyndwr. As you say, Welsh history is very often neglected in the wider world (and even within Wales, unfortunately). Oh, and kudos on calling him Owain Glyndwr too, and not Owen Glendower!

[@2112jonr]

Agreed. St David's flag is a church flag. I don't want to be associated with paedophiles.

[@Kerys23a]

Y Ddraig Aur is cool as well I have one flying in my garden under the regular flag.

[@tonyjones9442]

Tudors(tudurs) were welsh. They are from down the road from me in Pen mynydd near menai bridge. Some of the tudors are buried around here. The local Tudur families still exist. About time us in North Wales had our own flag. Of course owain glyndwr went to private school and was a member of the aristocracy.

[@bujin1977]

@@tonyjones9442 Indeed the Tudors were Welsh. The family was important from at least the time of Llywelyn ab Iorwerth, probably even further back than that. They were important during Glyndwr's uprising, with Rhys and Gwilym ap Tudur capturing Conwy Castle in 1401. My issue with them is from the reign of Henry Tudor onwards, as Henry effectively conned the Welsh into supporting him, but didn't exactly go out of his way to support Wales after he became King of England. I don't know. Maybe it would have been even worse for Wales had Henry Tudor lost at the Battle of Bosworth, but the Tudors effectively started the decline of Welsh culture and language that continues to this day. I disagree with North Wales having its own flag. There isn't a "North Wales". There's a northern part of Wales, but we're all one country.

[@tonyjones9442]

@@bujin1977 I assume your in South Wales? North Wales is a very distinctive region on its own right. Even the Welsh language here is different. Our politics and culture and attitude is different. We even sound different. You will properly find a lot of North Walians, of any background dont see Cardiff as our capital. In fact when it was made a capital in the 50s we were warned it would just take from North wales, and un surprisingly it did. My mam is from cardiff but I dont think North Wales should be governed from a city more distant and more akward to get to than Glasgow! There isnt a Northern part of Wales, there is North Wales - we arent Cardiff's back garden.. Theres even been a campaign to makes sure its spelt with a capital N as it's a proper noun, not a region. In fact during lockdown there was a lit of Anger here as a lot of the policies were for urban Cardiff and swansea. Our largest town/city is inky 20k people. It's a bad fit for us.

[@melaniescarlet01]

*sees Blackadder* Me: I see you are a man of culture as well

[@will2Collett]

I've always felt that Wales is where England and the whole idea of Britain came from. The Celts/Welsh were there long before the Angles and Saxons.

[@baldrickthedungspreader3107]

Their should definitely be more films made about the welsh wars and the welsh struggle for independence

[@kamanashiskar9203]

Wales is still part of the UK.

[@baldrickthedungspreader3107]

@@kamanashiskar9203 your point ?

[@daidavies90]

​@@kamanashiskar9203unfortunately

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Although I still prefer the epic dragon flag, it is interesting learning more about the other one

[@dodorffr]

its really good to see some content about welsh history. wales really does get overlooked and thought of as "western england" or assumed to just go along with england anyway. it really is a breath of fresh air to see wales being given its deserved spot. given the amazing and proud welsh history. Diolch yn fawr iawn

[@alynwillams4297]

Not for long. Welsh independence is inevitable. Cymru Rydd! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@quwuirkyturkey]

@@alynwillams4297 down with English domination of our island

[@bethanybaljak1]

Welsh person here! I don't usually see the Saint David's flag around, but on Saint David's Day you can definitely expect to see it a lot! I personally like the red dragon flag the most out of the two -- it's just so damn cool. That, and the myth behind it is one that I've loved since hearing about it in primary school. Cymru am byth!!

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

To be fair, a huge red dragon as the centerpiece of the Union Jack would make it atleast 200% cooler.

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

@David Lockett Flag? I had always heard it called the Union Jack. I guess it's called jack in naval parlance.

[@okanui]

@David Lockett well actually the union jack is correct, its just that you would have to be in the navy to know about it.

[@captbumbler5356]

Sorry but Wales in classed as a Principality which is not a kingdom so does not warrant going on the union flag. This is how it has been explained to me

[@rodneypodesta6087]

@@captbumbler5356 they should make it a kingdom then they could put the dragon on the flag

[@captbumbler5356]

@Ginja Ninjaaa Northern Ireland is still classed as part of the Kingdom of Ireland. though it is part of the UK.

[@neofd3223]

As a Welshman, I love both equally.

[@caijones5395]

Welshboi here! I'm so glad you did another Wales video!:D Watchdogs 2 included St Davids flag on the Union Jack which is fantastic! I still prefer the Dragon flag overall though, I feel like it carries and symbolises thousands of years of our history better:)

[@2112jonr]

The cross flag is a modern church flag and an imposter. It will never replace our beloved dragon flag.

[@kamanashiskar9203]

Ah, history says England annexed you in the 13th century.

[@darrenjones3181]

How far can you go back further then tribes celts that you can say that this is my decent if your English this is were I'm from the Romans said Welsh were warriors at fighting and the vikings bigd us up for using the gorilla warfare tact using the terain Wales is its own from tribes and Prince of Wales is a pistake he can't even tie his shoe laces let alone speak Welsh or understand wat it means 2 be Welsh and the castles should get knocked down our ancestors suffered great torture in those castles from the English and were used 2 destroy our country our cult language our freedom and give us few billion while your at it what you stole of us

[@eniej]

@@kamanashiskar9203 one would argue that annexisation adds to a countries history? and nonetheless, the welsh language is still around after centuries of repression

[@AthelWah]

The reason the Welsh aren't represented on the Union flag is because unlike today, Wales wasn't recognised as a country rather than a part of England when the act(s) of union were singed

[@alynwillams4297]

Wrong. England at the time didn’t recognise them. The Irish, Scottish, French, Spanish as well as the pope did recognise Wales. Proof of this is from back in 1406 during the time Glyndwr made Wales independent again from English oppression.

[@adamboh393]

Wales was incorporated into England in the 1530s that rebellion happened in the 1410s. After 1530 Wales was officially part of England being represented in Parliament and no one recognised it as a separate country.

[@alynwillams4297]

the Acts of Union in 1536 and 1542 actually made us a country again. They reunited the Principalities and the Marches into one country, Wales. They gave us a defined border with England and separate, different legal and administrative systems. Then In 1707, the year the United Kingdom was officially created, Wales was considered a legally defined country so it was considered to be part of the United Kingdom.

[@RichARock]

@@alynwillams4297 Do you want independence?

[@alynwillams4297]

Independence is the only option left for a prosperous and successful Wales as the U.K. has failed.

[@RonBurgundySxPanther]

Black and gold is my favorite color scheme, so I love the St. David’s flag. But the dragon flag is awesome too, so there’s not really a wrong choice IMO.

[@gaetano_kojj]

0:27 Actually, there is another flag with a dragon, quite a surprising one tbh. When you zoom in really close on the cross on the flag of Malta, you can see St. George fighting a dragon. It's not the best dragon, but it techically is on the podium of best dragons on national flags. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Malta#/media/File:Flag_of_Malta.svg

[@welshparamedic]

Thankyou so much for putting wales in the spotlight! Just 'discoverd' your channel...Brilliant! New subscriber! PS please do the Owain Glyndwr story, so many welsh people are sadly unaware of the whole story! Cymru am byth!

[@KelmscottPreRaph]

Interesting clip. Though I am not sure the dragon was adopted from Rome. The Celtic war instrument the Carnyx was mostly in the form of a dragon and well predates any Roman invasion of Britain.

[@shawnurch8755]

I’m from Rhonda Cynon Taf in Wales. Red Dragon flag all the way! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Never even seen the St. David’s flag although I inteand to use it next St David’s day! 😂 Thanks for looking at my countries history, Wales almost never gets discussed on the internet👍🏻

[@underdog1072]

In many areas of Wales Glyndwrs’ flag is still seen as a unofficial flag of the country. I hope you do some more on him eventually, the last leader of a free Wales. There is a statue of him in Corwen.

[@stewartjohnson5053]

He was someone who only remembered he was a Welsh patriot after he lost a court case in middle age.... but that red and gold quartered flag is that of the House of Aberfraw i.e. the ruling family of Gwynedd.

[@thomasellis445]

Stewart Johnson And led an uprising that pushed the English out of Wales for over a decade...

[@joebowden4065]

Stewart Johnson What’s your point? And how on earth do you know that the only inspiration behind his revolt was his court case, absolute nonsense

[@stewartjohnson5053]

@@joebowden4065 I am merely cynical about his motives. He had zero problems fighting for the English in Scotland after all. Nor with attending the court...right up until the moment he didn't get his way/ As with all Welsh Princes, to claim he had universal, or even widespread support would be one hell of a stretch, In any case Llywelyn Fawr was the last true independent Welsh leader for me at least. Other opinions are, of course, available.

[@joebowden4065]

Red Five i’d recommend Huw Edwards documentary on glyndwr if you haven’t seen it. Is all on KZbin bar one episode I think. www.andallthat.co.uk/medieval-kings/the-legend-of-owain-glyndwr I’ve always been disappointed by the lack of welsh history on KZbin. I think it’s because there is generally less interest in wales across the pond because the diaspora is much smaller than Ireland or Scotland

[@tracicomstock3489]

Thank you. I love history and your videos are so informative.

[@lamorte42]

When is King Arthur coming back? We've been waiting for 1500 years.

[@rach_laze]

Legend has it he woke up early this year, saw what was going on and said nah fuck that and went back to sleep again

[@THEMONKEYWITHNOSOUL]

Mab Darogan has a stand in around here somewhere

[@AlanGChenery]

Ever heard of Prince Madog? The Welsh Prince who appears out of no where, goes on a grand expedition to the west, finds a new land there and after returning to report his findings disappears? My theory: Arthur fled to Pategonia because he didn't want to deal with British politics. :p

[@henrycaradocosborne-price-5540]

Staying away out of shame according to R.S Thomas

[@THEMONKEYWITHNOSOUL]

@@henrycaradocosborne-price-5540 Don't blame him tbf

[@Cashmeister96]

The dragon flag was great until we were told to try and draw it when in school.

[@rjtm7gih4sazpxbc6w]

Only welsh children will understand this pain 😥

[@icanfly123-p2g]

Ikr I have to draw it all the time

[@letsstickygoat6672]

As a Welshman I approve of this message

[@andrewrobinson2565]

Absolutely marvellous video - stuffed full of info... Fab!

[@gunner678]

Dacian battle emblem. They were designed to emit a horrifying report when the wind blew through the open mouth, with the tail blowing back behind it. Roman cavalry adopted this from the auxiliary cavalry recruited from the tribes you mention. Very enjoyable video.

[@kruandrew8930]

Y Ddraig Goch! Best flag in the world. Thanks for the video. You're right, we do get overlooked far too often

[@zoetropo1]

One moment. Yes, the Book of Revelation has an evil red dragon who seeks to destroy all the Faithful. Whereas, Psalms 18:8 describes God as a dragon. So, dragons can be good or evil. Biblically, lions can represent Christ or the Devil. Also, doves can be holy or stupid. Donkeys can be annoyingly stubborn or they can be wise (in the story of Balaam). As for the Cross, it’s a device of cruel torture and death used by devil-worshippers (according to the Church), turned into a sign of holy sacrifice and redemption. So, is any symbol good or evil in itself?

[@seanshure]

In reference to the dragons maybe because revelations is the new testament and psalms is old if celts and other pagans used dragons it may sully the symbol in some views and change how the church perceives them. So basically just whats fashionable I would guess

[@2112jonr]

I know one thing, all of the biblical bollocks aside. Church = paedophiles. Let's not associate Wales with a church flag.

[@rehabwales]

That bullshit book also tell you not to have tattoos or eat shellfish. It full of crap like that.

[@ianalexander7082]

@@2112jonr While the abuses of certain priests was/is a truly heinous act and breach of trust and while it is a great source of shame for the churches involved that when the accusations were made they tried to cover it over instead of cutting out that rot; please bear in mind that as a group priests are accused of sexual abuse at about half the rate of the general male population. Which in turn is accused at about half the rate of male teachers. And yet we don't have an almost universal cultural view of teachers as paedophiles. If we go by these statistics, adoption of the priesthood actually lowers the likelihood one will be accused of sexual abuse, though evidently it doesn't make them immune to performing it.

[@zoetropo1]

@@rehabwales Wait until you're old and your skin stretches so the tattoos don't look so good. Shellfish = ptomaine poisoning, if you're not careful; those old-time Hebrews were quite reckless.

[@0MVR_0]

One would probably be safe to wonder that Henry Tudor was aware of the implications for selecting the red rather than white dragon despite both potentially being applicable to his situation and only one being relevant to his Welsh supporters.

[@lethallizard963]

As a Welsh nationalist, I prefer the Red Dragon over the Cross of St. David/Dewi. The Red Dragon, to me, represents a history about the people of Wales that is about more than just Christianity. Although Saint David was a badass guy, I don’t think the flag of Wales should represent just one man.

[@hughgrection4205]

W.A.L.E.S is actually an acronym and it stands for "we'll all live in England someday ".

[@caijones156]

It's also very boring.

[@lethallizard963]

Hugh G Rection Well England tried and failed to assimilate us. Wales is splitting further apart from England as time goes on. We gained devolved powers and we may get independence in the future with the way the union is going.

[@tonyjones9442]

@@lethallizard963 and hopefully North Wales will get independence from over bearing cardiff and south Wales.

[@hughgrection4205]

@@lethallizard963 nobody is trying to assimilate anybody within the UK. Each country is distinct as are each county within each county. Nationalism is an excuse for an inferiority complex.

[@lisaheisey6168]

Perfect timing, for this video. I just found out the other day, that I have Welsh in my bloodline, through my paternal grandmother. ❤

[@gregbrogan9061]

I once heard that there was an old Celtic legend that said when the red dragon rises, the Anglo-Saxons will be defeated and will flee from Britain.

[@bujin1977]

You're probably referring to the Historia Brittonum account as mentioned in the video, in which Nennius describes the story of Vortigern fleeing from his enemies to north west Wales and trying to build a castle on a rock about a mile north east of where Beddgelert is today (now called Dinas Emrys). The castle kept collapsing, and Vortigern's advisors told him to find a fatherless child and sacrifice him and spread his blood on the ground. They found a boy in south west Wales called Myrddin Emrys (the Merlin of Arthurian legend), who told Vortigern that the reason the castle was collapsing was due to two dragons locked in combat underground beneath the castle, a red dragon symbolising the Britons and a white dragon symbolising the Anglo Saxons. He said that the red dragon would eventually defeat the white dragon.

[@gregbrogan9061]

@@bujin1977 - Do you think the Welsh are thinking of this when they raise their red dragon flag?

[@gregbrogan9061]

​@@thepsycho777 - Dude - it's a legend. Perhaps it just shows how unwelcome the English remain.

[@acg3934]

Ye there's one for Arthur and one for Glyndwr - its the King Under The Mountain trope commonly found in Celtic literature

[@zoetropo1]

Sure did! 1066. The victory was gradually commemorated all over Europe through another Breton emblem, the Ermine.

[@teifionjones5810]

Great video, Welsh history needs to be taught more in wales, shame it isn't emphasized more.

[@flatcapfiddle]

I went to university with somone from Wales. He said "I would beed on the Dragon to keep it Red"

[@Wolfenhawk]

You’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head in regards to it’s popularity of usage. Nationals and pro-indy favour the St David’s Cross, however, it doesn’t mean to say there’s animosity held against the recognised one (since there’s still a huge part of Welsh culture tied to it as opposed to the three ostrich feathers on a Welsh rugby shirt). You’re genuinely doing the country of Wales a service as the educational curriculum doesn’t teach a scrap of its history. Thank you for your passion and knowledge.

[@johnhughes9878]

As an American of Welsh ancestry, I have to say that I think the Red Dragon flag is one of the nicest in the world .

[@csmatthew]

as the St. David's Flag is associated with the college I studied at (St. David's College, Lampeter [University of Wales]), I have a particular bias to the gold cross on black field. The coat of arms of St. David's College (now Trinity Saint David's), is accompanied by four cinquefoils.

[@TheMrPMullins]

I was a little shocked to hear that anybody or indeed any body had objections to the dragon flag, I have lived most my life in Cardiff and I think there would most likely be a riot if anyone attempted to change it... it’s got to be the coolest flags in existence!

[@elig6791]

Funny story about my bus ride to school. In the road there’s a restaurant and they are a welsh restaurant makes sense since I live in Wales 😂. They were flying the welsh flag until the end of the euros and England lost so they out the Italian flag up instead just to spite the English and I find it very funny

[@TrueSonOfWalhall]

@@elig6791 that's amazing, it's never wrong to make fun of the english

[@elig6791]

@@TrueSonOfWalhall I know it’s bad to live in the past but England did a lot of shitty things to wales. A lot worse than putting an Italian flag outside of a restaurant. Also people in England make fun of England so your arguement makes no sense 👍💀

[@lesliefranklin1870]

The Celts who were opposing the Roman invasion used trumpets that looked like dragons.

[@thebrocialist8300]

00:13 The squad 😎🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@martychisnall]

Did you really just use the British flag for England? 😡

[@RickBrode]

Why’d you use the union flag for England? That encompasses all the other flags.

[@julianshepherd2038]

And what will you use when Scotland leaves?

[@joebowden4065]

julian shepherd hopefully we all do

[@groupewaite]

not this 🇬🇧for England, THIS:🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@annsmith2274]

My father was a Welsh speaker from birth, he was also Bi Lingual with English. I so remember our holiday in Cornwall and a gift shop we as a family went to and saw. A 'Tea Towel' from Cornwall had in both English and Cornish languages. My father utterly recognised massive similarity between the Welsh language and the long forgotten Cornish. Not everyone in England is English. Oh by the way, the Welsh language, along with Irish and Scottish. Totally pre dates the Angles / Saxons and the English language. History says so

[@ecurewitz]

5:10 That 2 legged dragon is a wyvern

[@AlanGChenery]

That's a later distinction really. Many older "dragon banners" like the dragon of wessex were depicted with only two legs. Iirc wyverns were originally distinguished by other small elements of design like the differences between lions, leopards, and pards. And the limb difference became popular later because the frills and beaks of the wyvern started appearing on dragons too.

[@Foxglove963]

Emily. And its Anglo-Saxon, not Celtic.

[@bluefish4580]

Great little vid. Diolch yn fawr iawn ti ! Dwi licio y ddraig goch.....

[@ripwig6682]

I'm Welsh and I love the red dragon.

[@cennethadameveson3715]

I am a pro-dragon Welshman but Dewi Sant's cross is the right type to fit on to the Union flag.

[@ruxiist]

Cenneth Adameveson A giant dragon on the Union flag would be amazing though

[@Daniel.Liddicoat]

I've seen a rendition of the union flag with all the crosses

[@josephfriel6597]

No thanks no Welsh flags on the butchers apron

[@seanshure]

@@josephfriel6597 if Ni Scotland and Wales cut England out of the union we can keep the jack and change the red to gold for pure shithousery reasons thoe

[@54356776]

@@josephfriel6597 Wales is part of England. It's a principality, not a country.

[@Troy_KC-2-PH]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Bore dda! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@raybeaumont7670]

That's "Bore da" not dda. No mutation!!

[@nortonrobey4021]

Lovely to hear Welsh history in a lovely Welsh accent

[@ethanGuitar]

Put y ddraig goch on the golden cross, that'd look sick

[@firstconsul7286]

And depending on how hideous it ends up looking, have the yellow cross divide the green and white. If it's a blight on the eyes then just the red dragon on the St. David's cross

[@confusedflourbeetle4734]

Y ddraig coch is definatley the preferred flag in most of Wales

[@Nazareeni]

5:00 That ain't no dragon, that's a wyvern

[@Beachbumartist]

Very cool man, love History told as correctly as one can find it.

[@ecurewitz]

0:37 Dragons are not just cool on flags. They are cool everywhere

[@MOGGS1942]

Except when they are breathing fire. 😁

[@geargail]

Thanks for uploading this video...

[@simplearchaeology1242]

Fun with flags!

[@toysintheattic2664]

Sheldon would love our flag

[@Foxglove963]

Simple Archaeology. Gimme back my flag. By Julian Cope.

[@MetallenVikingr]

As a descendant of welsh people living in america I love the dragon standard and it has nothing to do with satan. I would prefer it if all of britain adopted dragon flags and scotland maybe a unicorn flag because that would be amazing too.

[@combrade-t]

I don't like St. David's Flag, It's Colour scheme isn't nice imo and also you can't just step down from having a kick ass flag with a dragon on down to just a cross with not that nice of a colour scheme, and whilst I do think that the current welsh flag isnt great in that it is very complicated and cannot really be put on the union jack, I prefer the current flag over just having the St. David's cross. Plus People forget about our country enough when we have a cool as flag so if we stop having a cool flag then i think we will be remembered even less.

[@ecurewitz]

I like the color scheme, but let's face it, it just isn't a dragon

[@onehairybuddha]

I don't know, I'd kind of like to see the Union Flag with a dragon peeking out from behind the cross.

[@lukebentze4948]

Yo here me out, a cross flag with a dragon....at the same time.

[@2112jonr]

Pull them down whenever you see them. It's an imposter flag adopted by a paedophile church that we don't want our nation to be associated with.

[@2112jonr]

@@lukebentze4948 No, never. It's a paedo church flag. A modern imposter that has no place in Wales. And no connection to St David.

[@mihajlotejic6666]

just want to say that i love your vids

[@GazilionPT]

About the confusion between gold and red: it's curious, but what in English you call "golden fish", in Portuguese we call "peixe vermelho", which literally translates as "red fish".

[@rehabwales]

Also Goldfish are actually orange.

[@Howtogetfluent]

Another great vid, Hilbert. The red dragon only became the official flag of Wales in the 1950s despite its long history. What are you reading on Owain Glyndwr? The standard work is R R Davies' The Revolt of Owain Glyndwr. Well worth looking at if it's not that one.

[@gethinosullivan3926]

I prefer the dragon because...... dragon

[@OwainapDewi]

Cadwaladr is pronounced Cad wah lah dah :)

[@SgtMcpancake]

The fact that the church doesn't like the Dragon flag makes said flag even more awesome.

[@2112jonr]

Absolutely. We don't want to be associated with paedophiles.

[@AlexandreOliveira1974]

@@2112jonr Don't generalise if you don't want to get generalised. For one can only obtain wisdom if one wills to be wise. Some jokes are not jokes, some respects shouldn't have to be remembered of.

[@maxis2k]

The lion and the unicorn, fighting for the throne. Red Dragon: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@kamanashiskar9203]

The English lion is still the King of the UK.

[@michaelschudlak1432]

The Breton flag's name is Gwenn ha Du which means White and Black in English it's similar to the Welsh Gwyn a Du. I've forgotten how it said in Cornish.

[@stufour]

Michael Schudlak An Gwynn ha Du :)

[@gwennblei]

The one he's referring to is actually the Kroaz-Du, it's an older one dating from the crusade era. Gwenn ha Du is the more popular and more recent one. Neither of them are official though :)

[@michaelschudlak1432]

@@gwennblei what does Kroaz- Du mean in English?

[@justvin7214]

@@michaelschudlak1432 Black cross.

[@michaelschudlak1432]

@@justvin7214 again similar to welsh Croes Du

[@rhysgriffiths3544]

I live in Pembrokeshire, the county that the city of St David's is is. We use that flag a fair bit, often alongside the welsh flag and at religious times. We also take that yellow cross and put it on our personal county flag

[@2112jonr]

It's not the Welsh flag. Not even St David's. It's a modern church flag, trying to undermine the proud Welsh flag. The church can stuff it.

[@pebblecups]

We're keeping the Dragon. I have used the Flag of St David in artwork many years ago and I had complaints why wasn't I using the Red Dragon. Next to no-one here in Wales recognise the Flag of St David, even though it was used in places like the old Cardiff City Football Club shield for instance. Still not as cool as the Dragon. Another Welsh flag I like a lot is the Flag of Glamorgan: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Glamorgan

[@2112jonr]

No one I know recognises the other flag as Welsh. There's not even a connection to St David. It's a church flag, pushed by The Church because it has a cross on it. Nut cases the lot of them.

[@Foxglove963]

Kokoro Kimochi. You can hardly expect anything better to come from grown ups hollering after a plastic ball dressed in shorties. These pea brains expect the cross to provide them with victory. Real uncultured suckers.

[@yuvalcosminsimon5029]

A very interesting video greeting from Romania

[@JOSHDL13]

George Hargreaves wasn't Welsh though and he only formed the Christian party to oppose the elections of the senedd in 2007. If another flag was to be used in Wales it would likely be the Glyndwr coat of arms which is popular amongst Welsh nationalists and pro-independence movements. Great video though!

[@harriettewilliams592]

I remember learning the mythical tale of the flag where the white dragon (aka England) came to Wales and started destroying the crops and killing all of the cattle but the red dragon (aka Wales) fought the white dragon and the red dragon won sense the colours the red dragon the white sky for the white dragon and the green grass for the food that was restored after the contouring of the white dragon :) I love this video though, taught me a lot more about Wales and it's history.

[@oliverthomas-couch]

As a welshman I prefer the st David cross mostly due to the more unifying aesthetic and I think the colours match nicely together although I am fine with the dragon flag

[@YDdraigGoch43]

Great video, da iawn!

[@ferrjuan]

5:01 shouldn’t that be a Golden Wyvern instead of a Dragon because it has two legs? Cuz western dragon usually have four legs

[@pete8938]

Well done great vid!

[@frontschweine4588]

As a Welshman, I don’t want Wales to be represented in the Union Flag as I see Wales as an oppressed country. Our traditions and language have been subverted by the English and we are still treated as lesser nation.

[@TheIraqiforce]

I lived in wales and welsh people are lovely and differently have an identity and a separate culture. I hope wales one day gains independence or at least becomes more autonomous.

[@54356776]

You are a lesser nation. A conquered people. If you would have been peaceful it would have been different.

[@Steve_Coates]

@@54356776 Just like England

[@robdegoyim4023]

Given the amount of effort the English have put in to keeping the Welsh language going I don't think you can claim to be oppressed.

[@Steve_Coates]

@@robdegoyim4023 It was the English who banned the use of the language, they put quite a lot of effort into that as well.

[@lalalalalala8147]

I love Wales, its flag and especially the national anthem, which is one of the loveliest in the world. Greetings from Germany!

[@acg3934]

The only people in Wales who like Dewi Sant's flag more than the ddraigoch are english, hardcore religious or weirdo hipsters

[@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901]

I just want a standardised system of flags in Britain T_T

[@2112jonr]

Agreed. Church = paedophile hiders. Do we really want a flag associated with the church? Uggh, no thanks.

[@dibdap2373]

I'm English but I prefer the dragon.

[@joebowden4065]

A CG I just like it because it’s the colours of the nicest Cardiff city away kit. Still prefer y ddraig goch. But the red dragon on a black background used by some nationalists looks pretty badass. Would defo be best flag in the world if we had that

[@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901]

@@joebowden4065 if it was the golden dragon of Wales on a black background that'd look more awesome

[@stevenlloyd3371]

I like the story attached to the colours of our flag - The red is for the blood our forefathers spilt on our behalf. The green is for the pleasant land of hills and valleys. The white is for the purity of the air in the countryside that makes up most of our country and the blue is for the respect and equality shown to us by our nearest neighbours, England

[@ecurewitz]

9:26 Nothing less than the sign of Satan? Well, that is the best endorsement yet for the Dragon Flag!

[@Simonsvids]

I think when the Roman cavalry carried it into battle that's exactly what they wanted to symbolise - hell unleashed to scare the bejesus out of the enemy! Bit different these days when its just a national flag.

[@Foxygrandpa1912]

I’m from a very Welsh Nationalist area, everyone here speaks welsh... well, statistically 80% or so do. I have some relogious friends but i’ve never heard anyone ever say they prefer the St David (Dewi Sant) flag over the Welsh Dragon flag as a national symbol for wales. The only critique i’ve heard is that the dragon should look more ferocious 😂

[@seanshure]

Think its mentioned in an older video but can we take a minute to appreciate the fact the welsh are native to britain but there name means foreigner in English the language created by Anglo saxons descendants Done dirty

[@quwuirkyturkey]

If the UK dissolves we Welsh and Scots will kick those English of the island and restore the celts to leadership of the Isles once and for all

[@seanshure]

@@quwuirkyturkey na let them have it I suggest a hacksaw and we cut of wales and drift it north before welding it between scotland and NI before making a celtic union and declaring war on all things germanic On an unrelated note I kinda want a dragon flag for the 7 celtic nations now i know what it represents

[@Foxglove963]

@@quwuirkyturkey My dad's best friends from WWII were all Welsh. Bowmen to Henry V.

[@ftumschk]

There is a motto associated with the red dragon ("Y ddraig goch ddyry cychwyn" = "The red dragon inspires action"), which comes from a poem by the bard Deio ap Ieuan Ddu, of Ceredigion. Among his patrons was Gruffydd Fychan, a fervent supporter of Jasper Tudor.

[@via45]

Wales has the best flag, there is just no competition

[@dann_playsow5811]

I don’t know that Bhutanese flag looked pretty cool too.

[@2112jonr]

@@dann_playsow5811 I believe they licenced it from Wales ;-)

[@ThelSuperlKing]

A pain in the bum to draw in times of chaotic emergency requiring spontaneous patriotism for the Welsh people. The English and the Scots will beat you to the punch.

[@TheChristOfRockNRoll]

For flags the simpler the better.

[@garin8529]

@@TheChristOfRockNRoll Except for when a flag has a dragon on it, flags with dragons are obviously the best

[@CJonesApple]

Wales was absorbed into England. The Welsh people are just so resilient that it just never took. St George's Flag represents England AND Wales.

[@TooManyBrackets]

I recon people who prefer the Davids cross are just crap at drawing dragons.....

[@imankhandaker6103]

St. David's Cross could be added to the Union Jack - making it a real Union flag ...& adding some black to the Union Jack, would silence one of the most famous BNP chants. "There ain't no black, in the Union Jack."

[@ifandafydd7432]

Correct. I still get flashbacks of my year two teacher shouting at me because of my anatomically inaccurate dragon

[@adamhughes4610]

The national flag of Malta also has a (very very small) dragon as it features the George cross which in turn features St George slaying a dragon. Admittedly it is miniscule and often not detailed enough to make it out, but technically the flag does have a dragon on it.

[@WarDogMadness]

Gold dragon was a thing before red one it would be good to have all 3 dragons on the flag.

[@ecurewitz]

dragon threesome!

[@Foxglove963]

@@ecurewitz TRIADIC!!!

[@bottomfragger-kfpdogwater6804]

Connor really loves his Welsh flag lol

[@selwyngamble4585]

Having a Dragon on a flag is so freaking cool

[@ninjabiscuit1095]

I for one love the dragon flag as its very unique and its fun to show Americans who've never heard of Wales

[@ecurewitz]

British trio? Cornwall: Am I nothing to you?

[@ecurewitz]

@@bigtrevs apparently, Cornwall is nothing to you

[@NealNelson]

@@bigtrevs Wales isn't a country either. The UK is a country, Wales is a region.

[@kamanashiskar9203]

England: Yes, your nothing to me.

[@leemccorriston2170]

Being a fiery valley's 50yr old Welshman that dragon is in my blood i was born under that flag and i've grown up with that flag around me so no i'll stick to the dragon no offense to St. David's flag but there's abit more Gucci in the dragon flag lol but i will iron on St. David's flag onto my mountain coat. And by the way Thank you for taking a interest in Welsh history and i really enjoyed watching your video brilliant, keep safe Sir.

[@rhodrillewelynpianto5347]

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[@VictorGordan]

Always thought that the Dacian draco was a wolf's head with an overstylized/oversimplified body. I believe it's even called a wolf in Romanian...but I can also kinda see the dragon resemblance