What Happens If You Pick The Wrong Skin In A Gaming Tournament?

[@robobrain10000]

Well it sounds like the skin thing was a bug, and the smite thing was player error.

[@NitroKitKat]

Jgler here . Sometimes , just like runes , summoner spells dont save ...

[@henriqueff1]

​@@NitroKitKat You only play quick matches, right?

[@NitroKitKat]

@@henriqueff1 draft only

[@sirsinclair5247]

​@@NitroKitKatIn competitve, every action u take, is tracked, so riot has the chance to prove if its a bug or not. So it must be a player error, competitive integrity is rly important for Riot, idk if u watch esport but yeah

[@WGasmss]

@@NitroKitKatyeah I can agree 100 percent from the amount of times I’ve had heal flash when it should be ignite teleport.. Came back to league after 10 years and holy heeeeelll the launcher has so many bugs before you even start a game. Sometimes I can’t pick mid lane in conjunction with any other lane so I have to pick Jungle as my second role and I don’t jungle So then we end up loosing cause the game wouldn’t let me choose anything besides jungle as my 2nd role. Truly ridiculous

[@Finnlemeow]

The guy having to sacrifice his salary is wild tho.

[@TonicPotionTTV]

Yeah, a whole month is insane to me

[@seikkv4371]

@@TonicPotionTTV Not really if you think, his "official" salary is normally about a 20-25% of all his total income counting streams, media aparitions, sponsors and posible own merch.

[@Finnlemeow]

fair, but salary is supposed to be the safe income right? The rest could amount to 0 in a terrible month. I mean I get you, but in normal businesses you would never see this. Imagine not getting salary because you forgot something at work.@@seikkv4371

[@riskiwnl]

@@seikkv4371unless he doesnt stream or make that much money off media?

[@sleepy.trader]

bought by the CCP a salary fine is on the low side of punishments

[@R.Arienza]

He picked the skin he wanted but a different one appeared when the game started.

[@ronalynpua8176]

Still he doesnt belong on pro scene just for minor thing

[@supportmain5837]

​@@ronalynpua8176whomp whomp

[@roeyearl9431]

They rigged him

[@quatreiquorizawa1284]

​@@ronalynpua8176 might be a game sponsorship. If normal players follow these players, they would be tempted to buy the skin they use, especially in a tournament.

[@BTSIPURPLEYOU-zi4mk]

Not really

[@georgegrunditz]

It's actually so messed up that he lost a month of pay. NFL kickers miss kicks, basketball players miss layups, baseball players drop the ball. But they would never not get paid. A contract is a contract.

[@frostedfox8813]

This mistake is similar to a badminton professional going to a competition while wearing slippers. He wasn't fined because he made a bad decision in the game/misclicked an ability during a fight; He was fined because he made a mistake that should not have happened (more similar to negligence).

[@BetaDude40]

This would be more like showing up to football without a helmet on. It was a dumb mistake, yeah, but at this level of play you shouldn't be making those kinds of mistakes.

[@professoryorick5676]

more like going to the line of scrimmage with a full hockey goalie outfit on something that should just never happen because its due to negligence whereas NOW league has this pop up that says "the skin you selected did not load properly"

[@entitledindustries9135]

@@frostedfox8813 hard disagree. it is so easy to forget smite, it's a matter of a missed click after not jungling last game. 0.5 seconds of a mistake. it'd be more like that badminton professional losing their month's pay for tripping.

[@KhataFrancia]

​​@@entitledindustries9135He had a lot of time to get Smite and he didn't. So yes, it is negligence and should be punished.

[@nitrocondriamecanizada5814]

"hey yo, i forgot to change my runes bro"

[@ShayyanAli]

😂

[@elohitman6026]

"well looks like you aint getting paid this month" apparently

[@propablyconfused]

Its a professional Match we can't let you change mid game

[@Borax_Sensei]

​@@propablyconfused Bitch watch the match.

[@benjaminsiyavong4528]

"Why do you have aftershock on Talon?"

[@hulmhochberg8129]

I want to see the day were politicians and managers are fined for making a mistake at their jobs.

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

Yes please

[@andrewcacayan8136]

Are you talking about corruption or just mistake

[@hulmhochberg8129]

@@andrewcacayan8136 both, depending on severity

[@ShadowSpark-dx4jq]

If it happens within the first 30 seconds to a minute, I feel that it’s justified

[@woojinbloo44]

but the issue with the banning is there tho. any side might protest not to recreate the hero selection, but rather do a new one completeley, especially if a team already knows they are at a disadvantage based on their hero picks.

[@ducite9943]

​@woojinbloo44 it is a game reset not a draft reset

[@woojinbloo44]

If it's about the skin issue, there's no problem with that, but if it's about the second part of the video about the smite issue, the other team would deem it very unfair.@@ducite9943

[@nimrodszocs2795]

@@woojinbloo44they dont change anything its set in stone… just a game reset, nothing wrong there even if it wasn’t a bug.. its one minute and it doesnt change anything

[@atherisGAY]

Especially since some skins change the animations and looks of skillshots A LOT and can be harder to see

[@variable_0]

Depending on the game, a skin can actually give you an advantage as some of the skill effects can be less noticeable than other skin, the same goes the other way around

[@TerraLuna2001]

I think not having smite as jg is more game changing than a skin....

[@Schon1Kevin]

@@TerraLuna2001 well, you cant be ambushed if ur support is zombie brand because his movement changes when hes running towards an enemy. no matter if he can physically see them. some champions animation canceling is also easier with certain skins which results in an actual dps increase. also the skin was proven as a bug whilst not picking smite is a player mistake or a player choice.

[@TerraLuna2001]

@@Schon1Kevin well if proven a bug the Ok ig

[@kendivedmakarig215]

​@@TerraLuna2001The problem is forgetting smite is Human Error that's why it was denied.

[@MrDeerbomb]

And some skin actually puts your team at disadvantages. I've fallen for my teammate's skill that's colored bright red multiple times. I actually hate that skin, like it can really throw you off on a team fight

[@FlyxSakura]

While a couple weeks ago, Faker forgot to take smite. But it was in a less serious occasion, so it was more laughs than anything

[@BlanKMin]

Faker is a mid laner why would he want to take smite anyway?

[@thecosmicmyth2164]

@@BlanKMin It wasn't a competitive match, it was a showmatch between LCK midlaners and another role (I think LCK adcs), faker was the jungler for the LCK midlaners

[@FlyxSakura]

@@thecosmicmyth2164 yep

[@real.silencewench]

​@@BlanKMinsomeone doesnt watch lck full enough

[@tridinh1011]

Because it was a showmatch for fun

[@chicken]

The skin mix-up was likely a bug, but the smite choice was definitely player error. In pro tournaments, every detail can make a big difference.

[@thepigeonman_]

Bro is everywhere

[@King_ashura_]

☠️

[@3twibles4sweetrevenge]

I cant believe you people are justifying this

[@brill8793]

stoopid

[@kendivedmakarig215]

​@@3twibles4sweetrevengeit's justified thou. Forgetting the smite was a player's mistake not a bug that's why it was denied. If it was really a bug then it will not be denied. Riot had video evidence to make sure that it was really a bug or not.

[@spiderinofiesta3341]

from what I heard from the caster, Crazy didn't mistakenly pick the skin, he picked the correct skin, and a different one appeared in-game, which is not his fault at all however, for the smite/ignite case, at least from what was said, the player seems to have picked ignite on his own

[@yasserzahran9921]

humans mak mistakes and forgetting smite is gamelosing most of the time

[@xuryuu8800]

So they can restart a game for a fxcking skin but not smite?

[@kakeru21]

​@@xuryuu8800 Yes. Think of it as if you were ordering something, if the item is faulty you can request a refund however, if the item was damaged because of the customer's carelessness the item cannot be refunded (warranty can only be granted mostly if the item is faulty). In this case the skin appearance in game was bugged so it's a technical error from the game however, the summoner spell selection was completely human error from the player hence why they didn't give him a chance to remake that game for that reason.

[@monno4101]

​@@xuryuu8800Basically yeah. That's why it called "professional" Bug are mistake of the game.

[@gian0253]

​@@xuryuu8800it's like changing a hero bro/sis

[@msc2479]

Idk about other games but in MLBB some skins actually do hv adv/disadvantages. Some assassins hv bright coloured skins making their skills easier to detect & evade by enemies. So yes, I'd say having skin bugs is detrimental & should be restarted but only if it's a *bug*

[@WarWolfCZ]

Don't Forget that some skins are banned in Tournaments.

[@MataOK]

can you please tell me why. if it's such a big difference? I don't play the game I just get shorts recommended since I watch similar types of videos.

[@justwentRogue]

​@@MataOKsome skin have advantage with their skill effect colour that blend well with the environment, so it hard to see and dodge.

[@MataOK]

@@justwentRogue ah I understand. thanks

[@slider1073]

​@@justwentRogue I think they are pros so they could handle it... Or should... Because that's the game and "they are best of the best"

[@justwentRogue]

@@slider1073 bro, they cant even handle given the wrong skin and forgot taking smite.

[@Alcholic_cat]

Me remembering I didn’t pick the right skin when i’m about to lose

[@Yourunlocalidiot]

The months salary fine would LITERALLY kill me and my dad

[@stevensteviepryde5888]

At least it wasn't the player who forgot to turn off their special Chun-Li mod during the tournament 💀

[@cryochick9044]

Okay the ruling depends on if it was a client bug or not. Forgetting to take smite is not a bug. The wrong skin appearing in game is a client bug, there have been many situations where playere forget runes and where runes bug out. It varies depending on if the player fucked up or client did. They have video evidence of these things as well.

[@BlokHeadAnim]

The fact that a full on professional player, on live tv, forgot to equip smite makes me feel way better about my own mess-ups lol

[@arczimmermanrealisan40]

the difference is, having (or not having) Smite plays a huge role on the overall outcome of the match. Skins are just cosmetics and add no real value to the match

[@LiquidSan]

Actually some skins are banned in pro play, as they have some unfair advantages. iBlitzcrank being one, as the hook shows but the arm extension doesn't and it can be difficult to see properly

[@viertmam]

​@@LiquidSan iblitzcrank are legal to play now

[@BlackAnno3397]

It's not about that, if it was, then stopping and remaking the game for a skin and not for wrong summoner would be idiotic. It's because the skin was a bug and the summoner was human error. Crazy picked one skin and he spawned in game with the other (also some shen skins are pay to lose because for example his sword is more visible so it's easier to track it's position) the other guy just picked ignite instead of smite so it was his fault.

[@archniki_]

I think its possible to play without jungle lmao

[@arczimmermanrealisan40]

@@archniki_ well it is possible, but you're losing out on a lot of XP since you'll be sharing lanes, not to mention your enemy jungler being free to claim all of those jungle creeps for himself, so he would level up faster than any other players in the match

[@argoniangamer8670]

signs of love for background music is craxy

[@Arfurful]

"I forgot to wear my lucky gstring, paused so i can do a change "

[@Darion350]

Totally legit if you actually put it on in the morning and for some reason it disappeared before game-time.

[@voidmatic]

glitch vs incorrect pick, that sounds fair to me

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

Yup.

[@Mr.D0rAdE517]

We Don't Talk About That Chun li mod in That Street Fighter 6 Tournament 😂

[@zachnightingale8156]

"They've defeated 🗣️ the smiteless jungler 💯🔥" as if that was a challenge bro 😭

[@gnomegguy69]

This reminds me of the Chun-Li incident

[@Angelic_Vanguard]

my autism makes Arcane my new #1 obsession and now I'm getting LoL content on my YT shorts feed, absolutely sobbing

[@Z4UG]

Sign of love in background W

[@immobilegrain8809]

"wrong skin" Yeah dont pick the wrong skin guys 💀

[@phamcuong9183]

Select the wrong skin and forget to take smite are totally on different levels of issue. The other team would not mind if you want to change skin, but forgetting to take smite basically guarantee you always lose when it comes to taking dragons or baron.

[@xcrankill4440]

Yes but thats Not the issue. One Thing was a Game bug and the other a Player mistake. You cannot restart a Game because of a Player mistake

[@kendivedmakarig215]

Simple. The wrong skin was a BUG but the forgetting to take smite was a Player's error.

[@WoundedSnake]

“Guys I think I started the wrong game” DENIED

[@rdh_gaming]

Amd then there's Street fighter 6 where they forgot to turn off the mod for Chun-Li

[@Galitsapwd]

homie literally had one job

[@NinjaKuma]

Should have said he picked the wrong skin.

[@CertifiedNEETClassic]

"Restart the game, I forgot to counter the mid pick."

[@Ironmaidenportugal]

Overwatch tournament: umm... can we restart the game pls? I forgot to give my Mercy the skin... The barefooted one.

[@ArtSawce]

This is pro level tournament, if u accidently pick the wrong loadout thats on you.

[@sephirothslayer1152]

While I fully understand your point, as a counterpoint the mistake was so punishing to the team that they may as well have called the game there as a loss. Even in low elo that mistake makes the game nearly unplayable and on the pro scene where the enemy knows how to abuse that to the fullest there wasn’t even a chance.

[@kendivedmakarig215]

​@@sephirothslayer1152yes but if they are really a pro player, they should know how to check everything including the spells.

[@KhataFrancia]

​@@sephirothslayer1152what's... What's the counterpoint?

[@hyadalko46]

​@@KhataFranciaThat there was no point in letting them proceed with the game as this single mistake doomed the match result. So not allowing a sum swap is an automatic win/loss and the game was pointless since the outcome has already been decided.

[@DerNesor]

Imagine being in worlds semi finals and suddenly you hear "Oops, I accidentally took Nunu with Ghost"

[@joereyx69x]

2nd situation is player error, when you're a pro, you are expected and paid to not make this mistake.

[@MoosedUp]

But a fine of one month’s salary is insane

[@simmdog]

your saying this as if you wouldn't be mad if you made a mistake, asked to have his mistake be fixed before it made an impact on the match, and got told no.

[@konerking4293]

If you always play with the same skin it can make you feel a lot more comfortable to use it, it can also impact visibility positively or negatively based on colours and animation effects.

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

100%

[@l________YOURNAME_________l]

2nd guy is a definite denied it's different when comes to a hero the game is gonna move forward

[@dominicanfrankster]

At first, I was calling foul, but if you're used to looking at a particular skin, it will impact your performance for certain.

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

Definitely. It was also a bug that occurred, so he had every right to ask for a remake.

[@ozthebeeman]

In the first game it's a known bug where your selected skin doest appear in game. I the second game he picked ignite, yes it was a mistake, but it's not a bug. It's basically the same as if he accidentally flashed or died 1v1, human mistakes are apart of the game.

[@skidoosh-i1r]

I love that backshots you gave

[@CoolVictor2002]

Taking the wrong skill is a skill issue, wrong skin could be a bug.

[@hashiramasenju1839]

in this years tournaments faker also forgot smite but he didn't suffered any consequences but instead the game was remade

[@rexex345]

The skin thing was a bug, he selected the right skin in selection but got the wrong one in game. Naturally the game got remade cause something like that could imply there's a bug that could have other issues crop up visually.

[@kkrstudios]

​@@hashiramasenju1839 it was a showmatch lol. It doesnt amount to anything

[@Deckfighters]

​@@hashiramasenju1839sigh, so many people being obtuse for no reason. Faker's situation was different because he was playing a FOR FUN EXHIBITION match, whereas Wei was playing a COMPETITIVE LPL match. as one was a for fun tournament with 'fun vibes' it makes sense for the refs to be less strict as there is nothing on the line besides the pride of the role. Wei's situation was in a competitive game which affected team standings and thus could have led to more winnings.

[@kendivedmakarig215]

​@@hashiramasenju1839Faker is playing For Fun Match but Wui is playing Competitive Match. That's the difference.

[@midnight4956]

Nah man let him choose skin, you got a get into your groove

[@francobuzzetti9424]

don't pick smite = lose the game that's such a fundamental gameplay design flaw that carried over forever

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

LMAO ARE YOU TROLLING 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Esat-b2b]

They do this when the opposing picks are better

[@JopethJaner]

Skin is more likely a bug but the smite? Naaaaah.

[@joonastalvinen]

It's pretty simple. Look at what the players picked and compare it to the game. One is a bug while the other is players own fault

[@JopethJaner]

@@joonastalvinen exactly.

[@dazeen9591]

it's crazy Riot can just hand fines

[@beastyboi2328]

Bro paused an online game 💀

[@korhol2065]

When I saw the title I thought it was one of those “please choose a different skin you are going to ruin the youth of tomorrow” kind of situations

[@carlz3955]

Skin really can boost your skill for example some skin effects make the hero skills look smoother

[@tigerdcd]

Having the wrong skin can definitely put you off

[@JokerMr13]

Tournaments are decided on who messed up more. If you got caught slippin on picking an essential part of the build- that’s on you.

[@dysnath]

Am i tweakin or is this BGM Signs of Love from Persona 4😭😭🙏

[@charmcatvegan]

Well skins can also have an effect on the game, brighter skins are more noticable while camouflaged skins might be slightly harder to notice on time or hit

[@ozimantv]

difference is in one case the SELECTED skin didn't appear. The other is FORGOTTEN. Not the same.

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

Correct.

[@taop4ipa1]

I wish my junglers would get fined irl like this.

[@بيسيمان-ف8ه]

Jungler not picking smite is like water not watering

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

lmao yep

[@danh8245]

@munchables “I don’t even know what to say about that mate” hahaha

[@Kikkia2018]

one of the challenger creators i watch plays with specific skins because of the sound effects, seems like not that big of an issue but i can see how it could be for some players that are used to certain skins

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

If a bug happens, you can always request a remake

[@ages_dot_mp4]

Friendly reminder Arcade Sona is banned from tournaments

[@angelmishima5396]

It Is? It's Because of the Indicators?

[@redpill_rabbit]

"You had one job"

[@95cardboard]

“guys i messed up can we restart”

[@limbusanam4466]

the player who restarted the game just for not being able to play his desired skin must be CRAZY!!

[@KagagiouX]

I can see it. One is cosmetic and one is a mechanic (ability). Granted, it was before combat was initiated in both points so LOGICALLY it shouldn't be an issue (especially with jugglers being forced to have smite now days, unless that got changed again).

[@Gardenofsen]

Unless the skin for some reason provides an unfair disadvantage, it shouldn't matter what skin you have. Skins do no affect gameplay in any way, so restarting the match for that is crazy. Even if it was just a bug. The fact people are trying to rationalize that is crazy.

[@alessiomessina8626]

In LoL skins actually make some difference, because some of them change the hitboxes of the campions slightly.

[@MrDCbro]

The difference is; mistake from the game = riots fault, player forgetting to click smite = 2 min noodles for a month

[@Lev6926]

Hey i don't play lol so i want to know if even skins matter in gameplay

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

The guy was likely already a millionaire, I don’t think it mattered as much as that 😂

[@blaisemomin1106]

The incorrect skin appeared. Not the player's fault.

[@vergil9840]

the second one reminds me of an arena of valor tournament with the jungler accidentally (or not) bringing flash instead of smite, who somehow ends up carrying the whole game

[@GENUSID3_YIN]

Whatever I pick a random Role, hero, or skin just continue

[@entropy-cat]

Well yeah. The first one was a game error while the second one was human mistake.

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

Exactly.

[@ENTTY-nb6sd]

“Hey we gotta change the rules because I’m not winning so it’s not fair”

[@thothrax5621]

How is this not consistent? The consistent factor was whether or not it was the player's fault. The jungler didn't have any kind of bug, they just fucked up, the skin thing was an actual bug

[@christosloizou2187]

I think the difference is in the first scenario it's a technical issue in Riot's part so it makes sense while the second one is a mistake made by the player so makes sense they change it the first time but not the second

[@MohammedHassan-tv3vr]

I think in Overwatch, well at least back in OWL, players werent allowed to use skins outside of their teams colors. Im not sure if whether it was their league skins, that cost tokens or just a color change in game. I also dont think they were allowed skins in contenders/tourneys and it was customary in scrims as well. Probably changing now with OWCS, its a lot more lenient on the rules.

[@maxraccoon3529]

An error that wasn't the player's fault and could mean there are more bugs going on is definitely the same as a player forgetting to choose his correct summoner spells

[@YoSuey]

The skin bug still happens to this day as well lol. Happens to me at least once a month.

[@jinmorningstar1050]

When you use 3% of your brain and yes, you are the event organizer

[@pyrogundam117]

I didn’t realize how strict the pros can be if a player won’t get paid for a month if he takes the wrong spell and they lose 🥶

[@BRTiscrazy]

Faker forgetting smite 😂

[@theotherjared9824]

Everyone knows picking the wrong skin is a severe handicap. The flow is all wrong. Feels like you're suddenly in a different body.

[@twofacedpenguin92]

I mean, the rules are actually very consistent on it. The skin was ruled as a client error/bug so restart was allowed, the smite was user error not a bug, user error is preventable and restarting for user error could easily become abusable. Better to fine the player so they concentrate more next time, would be a good idea to fine the coaches too since they should check their player for the 6 minutes they’re on stage with them during champ select.

[@salimalbitar]

A demonstration of superior judgment! ⚔

[@minisculex3]

I think the wrong skin issue and allowed to restart was because it is a genuine game error, remember they mentioned the game didnt ahow him the right skin at all, the staff able to check which skin he picked. mean while the one who forgot to take smite was entirely on the player itself and not the game software issue. And i believe it was already 1 min into the game or longer

[@Mario-sc7fq]

A cosmetic appearance was more important apparently 😭🤣

[@urayi8008]

the skin thing was a bug so it’s fair to call out the problem while the smite thing was human mistake so he shouldn’t get a free rewind

[@ElizabethAmanna]

Imagine the intense regret he felt :(

[@SevenskyGaming]

This is one of the worst rules, it's literally free advertising for them.

[@nikkojohnyutuc206]

It is more better than the tournament we played in. They let out opponent repick all their heroes to counter us. Sadly they delete that live video but the audience booing the entire production is satisfying. 😌

[@CrispyCornDogs]

For everyone saying stuff like "Player error" and "A pro shouldn't pick the wrong skill" as a reply to the fine being too much, that's completely understandable however if the rules were completely set and didn't need to be looked over then there wouldn't have been a long pause and the request would've been instantly accepted or denied so it shouldn't have been on the player as there should've been no point in the request needing that long to be reviewed.

[@braednstone6129]

The skin thing might be more serious bc some skins are banned in pro play for having abilities that are vague or harder to see. Not taking smite however can be massive as I’m pretty sure the offending player was fined multiple months of his salary for that mistake.

[@umutedogan]

It's valid. Shen couldn't play without skin

[@Eduan_the_King]

In the skin moment, the case is definitely valid since it wasn’t the players mistake and some skins can even slightly change the gameplay(for example: a skin can change the way people see hit box or have abilities that are harder to notice) On the other case I don’t even think that player thought the request would be approved since was totally his fault, more like a desperation move

[@HexJK]

They should have a significant grace period after champ select for the coach and refs to double check settings, skins, runes, and spells for each player. Could be like 2-3 minutes, it'll prevent those 30+ minute delays from restarting the game.

[@CherryNecessary]

Never forget Police volibear ... lol

[@xEmpress95]

Visual bugs vs human error. Outside of a few select pay to win skins which are actually banned in proplay precisely BECAUSE the animations give an unfair advantage over other skins (Ahri, Ashe & Blitzcrank have skins like this for example), most of the skins offer no advantage and do not change the gamestate the enemy team has to play out. Also if he paused before the first wave/buff spawned then theres no harm no foul on the gamestate insofar of advantages gained before the remake/chronobreak. Meanwhile, players not taking smite or taking the wrong summoner spell IS human error, and it's a duplicable/abusable error error at that. If youre jungler takes smite and the enemy jungler doesnt, then its not fair on YOUR team who did the correct thing to be punished by having the game throw a bone to a dude who didnt take any time out of the 45 seconds to ensure he had the single most inportabt summoner spell for any jungler to equip, equipped.

[@G0RSHK0V]

Jury said: Skill issue

[@vevaren8155]

Skin shouldn't have any effect on the matcg in a game like this, but if he uses a certain skin in tournaments, it will be part of the visual identity of the team - tournament hosts certainly *do* care about ad revenue/sponsorships that they get some kickback from. If someone chose the wong skill and wanted to switch midgame to something that *will* increase their performance, that's when the line gets drawn.

[@editorproductions5238]

"hey I accidentally picked the wrong summoner spells, can I change them please." "No and you're going to pay us money even though we could have easily fixed this"