What Happens in Baldur's Gate 3 If Every Origin Character Dies?

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Check out my other fan theory video: What Happens in Baldur's Gate 3 Without A Player? kzbin.info/www/bejne/naHVm5R3n9F4isk

[@shrottbott7200]

i personally would not put too much blame on Losir, afterall it was the Emp-error who did not save him from falling to his death.

[@WitcherLover-pd9ye]

Translate my text if you want. Мне очень понравилось это видео. В отличии от миллионов подобных, где люди пытаются рассказать историю полностью или частично основанную на догадках, которые в реальности не происходили, у тебя Proxy Gate Tactician, получилось великолепно! Видео было просмотрено на одном дыхании, словно качественная короткометражка. Идиотии или детской мысли в видео так же не было обнаружено. Спасибо большое за это видео!

[@alouettevivelangue1175]

Ah I knew you already did something similar! I discovered your channel recently and have watched almost all of your videos 😄 But we have a big problem with this one, Sir. Your voice is too soothing, I still haven't managed to finish it because I fell asleep every time 😴 I'm in France, it's 6 AM, I'm about to try for the fourth time 😂 To be honest it's not such a big problem as I have insomnia 😏 Way more efficient than ASMR 😂

[@TheRealTiburon]

Wow man this video was amazing, your cinematics, story telling was fantastic! Always a pleasure!

[@DanielParisi-pt6xi]

This playthrough switches main characters like I switch tavs in character creation

[@ProxyGateTactician]

lol you're not wrong

[@DanielParisi-pt6xi]

Heart my comment daddy proxy

[@gressorialNanites]

Nah, this playthrough is clear that the main character is actually the astral prism. I knew it! :D

[@alouettevivelangue1175]

​@@gressorialNanitesthus the emperor 😄

[@Barsikr]

The Emperor was the real MC all along :D

[@NinjaMan47]

I like how Gortash briefly manages to make all his dreams come true by not being needlessly backstaby, only to lose it all because he didn't betray the one person he probably should have.

[@override367]

I disagree that Gortash would want the brain to remain - the emperor controlled it, and he would be wary of betrayal. By letting the emperor kill the brain like he intended to, he ends up with an ally who can rebuild the knights of the shield, and one he can overpower again if he needs to. Bane's whole plan was to ratfuck the other two of the dead 3 and extend his power, the Absolute doesn't give Bane any power - he would have likewise commanded that Gortash destroy it.

[@NinjaMan47]

@override367 You make a good point. In this scenario Gortash had three choices: 1) Let the Emperor take control of the Brain. 2) Betray the Emperor and control himself. 3) Destroy the Brain and rule alongside the Emperor. Gortash loses it all in scenario 1 and 2 could conceivably work (but that might still be part of the Netherbrain's plan). Scenario 3 is just a return to before the whole crisis, with the Emperor pulling stings while Gortash replaces Stelmane as the official leader of Baldur's Gate.

[@Zarkness25]

I also adore the mini theory at the end, that the Netherbrain’s true end goal was the Emperor ending, with the Emporor and him bringing back the Illithid Empire

[@zegreatpumpkinani9161]

@Zarkness25 the best way to get what you want is making others think its their idea

[@jasonbrose6743]

This most likely was the plan all along, given that the absolute is yet another puppet to the Illithid God Illsensine. The forgotten realms are a convoluted mess of proxy wars always in some sort of balance. It’s why adventurers can shape the world so easily.

[@bjoernpagaming2485]

2 things that I think might or might not change the result: 1. While Minthara is carrying the astral prism, she should begin to shy away from the absolute. We see in her romance scene in act 1 that just a night around the prism is enough to make her become unsure. With how proud drow can be, I think a few days should be enough to make her as free as Tav. 2. Just like the absolute's army, isn't the steel watch controlled by tadpoled brains? If we assume the same infighting amongst them as in the absolute's army it might or might not swing the battle, but it will certainly change how the people view Gortash

[@AramajDeLeon]

Do the dark urge next

[@gressorialNanites]

I'm not sure that most of the army needs to be tadpoled to be ordered around by the Absolute, they might instead be "merely" branded. And to add another possible point of divergence, I think Voss' gith have a reasonable chance to find the prism before Minthara's goblins might. That would be an entirely different playthrough though.

[@tsogbat6025]

The steel watch operate a bit differently than normal true souls, since their brains are actually located in the factory. Players only get a chance to influence steel watchers while within the factory, so I think Kethrik would be unable to influence them on the battlefield as well.

[@shilohmagic7173]

@@gressorialNanites Yeah, I thought Voss would get a mention, but nope!

[@1SaG]

Don't the Steel Watchers rely on tadpoled Zombie-brains? Might be a difference there between a Zombie's and a non-undead/-rotting brain. Even though there seem to be multiple types of Zombies in BG3 with different levels of err.. intelligence, I suppose? Myrena's husband seems more like a typical Dawn of the Dead Zombie whereas Thrumbo (who is specifically identified as a Zombie by Carrion) acts and talks more like regular, non-undead dude.

[@TheRepublic4]

The Emperor doesn’t save Losir for the same reason he puts down any potential pursuit of a cure, with someone with no tadpole he has no leverage, he is completely in their hands and eventually he understands he will not be able to pretend to be a non-ilithid. He wouldn’t want to make that bet, especially with a Gith. He wants a solution that helps him and doesn’t want you to be cured because that means he has to rely on your good faith. He doesn’t want an ally, he wants a pawn (Ngl for a half thought out Losir post and well thought out Emperor post the amount of likes is crazy, ❤️)

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Oh that's totally right. It never really occurred to me that Losir isn't tadpoled. Great point Republic

[@tobak952]

@@ProxyGateTactician do we know for sure wether Losir is tadpoled or not?

[@alnoso]

@@tobak952 pretty sure losir doesn't have a tadpole on his corpse. but then again, neither do any of the origin companions which are tadpoled

[@RockR277]

@@alnoso But it's possible he was never captured and tadpoled.

[@TheRepublic4]

@@tobak952 one of Losir’s first lines is “The parasite has already taken hold we must take **YOU** to a crèche” (to be purified) if he were also infected he would likely have continued with We and due to this being a written story rather than a man improvising, one can assume this is intentionally worded. Full context though, I had to recheck the clip cuz I haven’t played the Lae’zel opening (mostly play Tav and Durge), only watched it This claim is far from full proof to be clear 😂 admittedly more so was looking for a place to rant about the Emperor’s mindset around the players/a potential pairing with Losir.

[@BlueLightningSky]

Minthara becoming the protagonist since everyone else is dead would be a great alternate playthrough like a scenario B in Resident Evil. If she gets the prism there is no way she gives it up to Kethric because she would meet the dream visitor and break control of The Absolute. Then she'd be working to destroy the Absolute and I assume Gut and Ragzlin would be part of her starting party or maybe alternate origin options, maybe Nere and Karniss and then Zrell would join later on. This sounds like the anti origin party. Male and female drow, a drider, a goblin and hobgoblin and a half orc. The origin party is so family friendly full of elves and humans. Plus the banter between the 3 drows would be amazing.

[@Jason32Bourne]

I love it.

[@ardivekar]

Male drow, female drow, and drider. The only way the tension could be higher is if it was two giths and an Illithid.

[@nettorak]

Only if the prism protected the other of Minthara's possible tadpoled party members from the elder brain. If not, she'd have to find tadpole-free allies.

[@TigressInferna333]

​@@nettorakI don't see why the Emperor wouldn't try to fold them in. He protects Minthara while she is with you in Act 1. She has that dialogue where she says that she can no longer hear the voice of the Absolute at the party.

[@szarlotapavel8642]

Brilliant!

[@korakys]

8:28 very much worth a pause and read

[@ProxyGateTactician]

I make those things for people like you :)

[@Zman095]

I’m glad I found this comment and went back and read it, very funny 😂

[@not_a_bt.wavformat2909]

Dang that section about the best bathroom and the steel watch robots is pretty interesting

[@SunbleachedAngel]

Lol nice

[@annelyle5474]

The headline about Steel Watch sex robots is particularly funny if you saw Larian's tongue-in-cheek statement about the likelihood of romanceable Gortash 🤣

[@literally_a_crow]

That's the second video now where Minthara becomes the protagonist. Edit: rip girl hope your time in the spotlight was fun.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Or is it?

[@formatomi]

@@ProxyGateTactician*Cue VSauce music*

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

What was the first one?

[@literally_a_crow]

@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox the 'what if there was no player" video from like 4? months ago

[@sidecharacter7165]

More surprising Gale didn’t blow up and wreck half the Sword Coast.

[@MuffinsSWE]

Amazing cinematic work Proxy! Next level.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Thanks a ton!

[@AmarisFrede]

Oh absolutely this! These mini movies are so well made and fun! 🎞🎬

[@CockroachMunchingKrabbyPatty]

I've never really watched a BG3 fan theory/lore video before, despite being a diehard fan since launch (and prior). This video was awesome. I feel like I'm going to binge your whole catalogue like crazy. Keep up the great work, you've found a new fan in me.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Thanks so much for giving my channel a chance! Glad to hear it.

[@Aflawsgeglian]

Wouldn't the Emperor have been killed by Orpheous' Honour Guard at the start of Act 3 when they breached his defenses inside the prism without player intervention?

[@ProxyGateTactician]

That was one part I was really debating in my head about as well. I think the Emperor could have kept up the guard so they never got to him. If I remember right, the reason he struggled to keep the shield up was because he was protecting the players, and himself at the same time. He wouldn't need to worry about someone else. Kethric dying was what made him pop out to protect us at that exact moment and drop his defenses. The brain sent the message to transform because of its freedom, and he had to deal with that. For sure that is a possibility that he would die to that, and then the elder brain would just kill Gortash and win though.

[@luvcherry]

I've seen various playthroughs where he's able to take the gith on his own more or less so I think with him not having to also focus energy into protecting us he would prevail eventually but good point, if he died there orpheus would be free and become the main character against the brain for sure (as long as they found a way to break his chains/get the hammer one of the ways the players usually do)

[@Allurian90]

There's maybe another path here. The reason Orpheus doesn't protect the avatar if Emperor dies in the Act 3 transition is explicitly because they are tadpoled. If Gortash has the prism by then, I think Orpheus would protect him willingly against the brain. I don't know where that leads, but probably just to Gortash taking over the brain? Orpheus would have to become a mindflayer as the only remaining option which is interesting.

[@RRRR-jr1gp]

@@luvcherry How could Orpheus be free? He's been trapped for millennia and the Gith don't have the Hammer.

[@RockR277]

@RRRR-jr1gp Gortash has stolen from hell before. But it's also likely he makes the deal with Raphael.

[@sydneygorelick7484]

It's so cool how you have footage for all of this, like Gortash doing Tav stuff!!

[@ProxyGateTactician]

It took ages to record it all, but I think it added a lot. Thanks!

[@ppherse6486]

@@ProxyGateTactician I wanna say I really appreciate the effort that it took to make this. It mustve taken a lot of time. :)

[@svendejong8110]

This was easily the best part of the video!

[@Dianwhy]

@@ProxyGateTactician How did you do it? Is it just a mod to make tav look like gortash, or is there allowance in the game code for gortash to be doing these things?

[@ProxyGateTactician]

@ yeah I used mods to make my characters look like anyone. I did it to become the emperor for some scenes. Gortash for others. Kethric and Isobel etc.

[@IrateUngulate]

There are two things that make your scenario implausible for me: 1) Raphaël wouldn't sit idly while the karsus crown is actually available, and he probably wouldn't just empower the Githyanki. There would be multiple agents trying to get the Netherbrain to fail, aided by a powerful cambion, and that changes a lot. 2) More importantly though, Gale's dead in the ship and nobody is here to revive him in three days... so rocks fall, everybody dies . The problem solved itself and while the sword coast is forever changed, the world is at peace, except maybe for a Ketheric Thorm who may survive a magic atomic blast to the face, and Dame Aylin who can't be killed, although who knows what the Karsite weave is capable of ...?

[@ProxyGateTactician]

It's a good point about Raphael. He probably would have some words to discuss with Gortash once he realizes he has the prism. Those two already had a prior relationship though, and it was not a good one. Gortash wouldn't be swayed by him, and I'm not sure who else Raphael might try to go after. Minthara maybe? It's something I had thought about including, but couldn't see who he would influence that mattered. Gale's explosion is massive, but it's not world ending. He can trigger it himself to destroy the brain in act 3 and it's not a game over for your character. It would probably destroy everyone in the region if the goblins aren't able to find that artifact within a 3 day time span though. Minthara has to get out of that region ASAP.... or like you said. It's pretty much over for them

[@Jefrejtor]

​@@ProxyGateTactician except that Gale is trapped inside the portal glyph, so his explosion is contained therein. If you kill him as Durge or don't rescue him, nothing happens to the region.

[@Dianwhy]

@@Jefrejtor As tav I accidentally killed him just by failing the two rolls, and you're right, no explosion. He just disappears into the rock and is never seen again.

[@Canadian_Zac]

​@@Jefrejtor depends at what point he dies If he dies before falling then his corpse is just among the rubble and will nuke the area around the Grove So it just comes down to minthara getting the artefact within 3 days

[@jayk9068]

The Raphael point was all my mind was focused on throughout this video also! I like proxy's explanation, but also to the point of this video, he could influence minthara. If the emperor is unclouding her mind, her only reason to help ketheric is lust for power and not innate belief. I think she would turn on ketheric and free the nightsong to double cross him earlier rather than turn the emperor over. She'd try to take revenge on Orin like she talks about and maybe die there. If she survives, wouldn't be as loyal to the end like gortash or have a reason to partner with him. She doesn't seem the type to trust the emperor either. So is she survives killing gortash, teaming up with Raphael and freeing orpheus gives her a path to power. Then she'd probably betray Raphael and Orpheus too. The betray everyone and turn city into slaves ending. Just imo. super thought out scenario in any case! Great vid!

[@damien3738]

Wouldn't the Emperor free Minthara of her brainwashing like he already does when you recruit her/are near her in the evil version of act 1? I see no reason her literally holding the prism would still result in her following the Cult's wishes.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

I thought about that, but I figured when she's at your camp if you helped her raid the grove she tries to kill you in the name of the absolute even though the prism is clearing her mind. She's loyal to them, and only when Kethric ordered her death sentence in Moonrise did she realize they weren't really on her side. Because her mission was a success she wouldn't be sentenced and I think would stay loyal

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

@@ProxyGateTactician Yeah, but she only does that after she hears the Absolute compelling her again (by her own admission).

[@riptidetube123]

@@ProxyGateTactician I don't believe she would've had her mind cleared yet at that point since she wasn't really part of the team at that point. I haven't played that route yet, but does the same scene play out at moonrise where she is sent to get mind wiped and when you save her the emperor breaks the influence?

[@emperorbuggy8313]

@ProxyGateTactician no way Emperor just sits there and watches how Minthara delivers him back to Chosen. She tries to kill the player in camp because she's left in silence, while still brainwashed and turns on Ketheric not because feeling betrayed by unjustified punishment, but because truth is finally revealed to her. It would he harder to persuade her at that point, but totally doable, in my opinion.

[@mau_jr]

@@ProxyGateTactician yeah but emperor is in no dire situation since he has someone to complete the mission. With no origin or tav available and no confirmation that he will end up with gortash he would likely try harder to convince minthara, and given how she takes poison in her meals to build resistance i wouldnt say she can be that pressed on trusting someone

[@korakys]

Really well done and putting all these visuals together, I have some idea of how time consuming it would have been.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Yeah this one took ages... A lot more than I expected when I had this idea in my head. Mods are amazing. I wanted to do it all using the toolkit, but couldn't figure out how to do it on my new PC. My laptop I had it working when I did another video, but I can't get it to work now. Really only would have been a big improvement during the battle scenes anyways though.

[@Krement_Khelai]

So. Basically, if the Emperor didn't had any allies at the start, he would achive not just freedom, but the absolute power. Quite interesting

[@gingerbread3686]

i think there is a high chance that the Bandits in the nearby Camp will find the artefact as you can literally hear them talk about plundering the crashsite. They would probably sell it to the zhent and where it'd go from there is up to further speculation.

[@bunnyboygamille]

Since there's Zhent in the goblin camp, too, probably Minthara still.

[@Dianwhy]

@@bunnyboygamille Unless the Zhents want to keep it for themselves, I cant quite decide if thats their style or if theyd want to trade it away. Then it would get to their hideout, then the city probably? And the emperor would in the meantime try find someone tadpoled in the vicinity to work with but idk who would be strong enough at that point in the story.

[@RRRR-jr1gp]

@@Dianwhy Minsc? Emp doesn't like Minsc but he may have no choice

[@Dianwhy]

@RRRR-jr1gp lol i may have forgotten about minsc, oops.

[@kingofgrim4761]

@@Dianwhyroah holds onto the artifact cheekily, and when minsc is brought the artifact, he just tears the world a new 🍑

[@DubGamin420]

I always liked Gortash as a character. I think some fans like him less because his final fight was lack luster compared to the other bosses. But he legit was winning the game before Tav got out the Nautaloid. Man controlled the press, military, and the government of Baulder Gate. A real tyrant till the end. Reading his journals was very enlightening!

[@nine-dogs]

I disliked Gortash for one reason, and one reason only... That Haircut.

[@firstamongsuckers23]

….enlightening in a bad way right?

[@DubGamin420]

@ real asf 😭

[@OfficialPizza]

​@@nine-dogsmans looks like a mall goth

[@sidecharacter7165]

He was very similar to BG1 Sarevok. His fight was pretty weak if you threw him off a ledge or disabled his steel watch first. Also, any fight is lackluster at the end of BG3 with optimized characters. Monk-Rogue(Thief) Astarion Ascended is so broken.

[@tsogbat6025]

I think there are two points at which this theory could have gone differently. 1. Minathara - I think it is very likely that she is freed from the influence of the absolute before she reaches moonrise towers. We see from Duke Ravenguard and Minsc that the emperor can very quickly undo the brain's control, if he wishes to do so. And since Minthara has to travel through the underdark to reach her destination, I think the emperor will have enough time to deem her competent enough to use as an ally. Once she is freed potential allies for her include: Nere (If she reaches Grymforge by the time she's free), Dror and Gut (if she returns to the goblin camp to recruit them). From then on the story would resemble a normal playthrough of BG3 (Of note. Snooping through moonrise to find out about nightsong would be much more difficult for Minthara.) 2. Orpheus - If the honour guard slays the emperor, the githyanki become the ones with the best odds of defeating the Nether Brain. Which means that Raphael becomes much likelier to accept Voss's deal. He could give them the Orphic hammer and Orpheus would be free to become the main character. This would likely occur around the end of the siege on Baldur's Gate in your video. I'm unsure if he would ally with Gortash, but the prince is very pragmatic and level headed, so who's to say. Either way I find the likelihood of Orpheus triumphing over the brain to be very likely. Either by Orpheus transforming himself, or Voss doing it for him. 3. (Failed scenario) Raphael - I considered a scenario where Raphael contacts Gortash, while he has the prism to inform him of the situation and try to make a deal with him. I ran into several problems with this scenario: - Gortash is not the forgiving type as seen from his parents. He might not work with Raphael for this reason. Even if he fears that the Emperor might stab him in the back: - Gortash is willing to work with Karlach (whom he also sent to slavery similar to the Emperor), so I don't see why he wouldn't work with the emperor over Raphael/Orpheus. These were my thoughts. Any opinions?

[@AshBlossomWorshiper]

The reason the Emporer struggles in the battle with the royal guard is because he's protecting us. I believe he says that himself in some dialogue trees, but i cant remember. However, You can actually test this yourself. Once you're in there if you stay back and grb no aggro, he will handidly handle them.

[@tsogbat6025]

@@AshBlossomWorshiper I unfortunately don't have any saves to easily check, but there are also the three guards that ambush us + a few on the way of the emperor that we end up fighting. The fight will probably be a lot closer, if they help in ganging up on the emperor.

[@AshBlossomWorshiper]

@@tsogbat6025 I dont either, I just saw multiple comments saying that he can handle the 3 that are already in there. Im curious what would happen if the 3 that ambush us were pitted against him as well.

[@firstamongsuckers23]

@@AshBlossomWorshiperhonestly I don’t think he can even handle those 3. On my 3 playthroughs the Emperor himself doesn’t do much against the guard, maybe stuns 1 of them but that’s kind of it. With the reinforcements it’s likely the guard will win and then Orpheus would be freed

[@ThaneBrimhall]

A Minthara origin character arc mod that follows this path would be AMAZING.

[@bunnyboygamille]

Well done with all the mods to put this together! It's impressive! I've always thought that the Emperor was always part of the Netherbrain's plan, and was either fully aware and on board (we know he great at masking the truth) or unaware and thinking he's a total genius.

[@Bounty82595]

My friend, you do freaking amazing work on these videos! They're entertaining as all get out (even after several watches) and yet also relaxing enough to play until sleep takes me at night. Seriously, your channel (particularly your BG3 vids) have nearly become a ritual for me to put on. I fully appreciate all of the time and effort you put into your craft here, and I hope you continue making more and more for the Proxy Army to enjoy!

[@navvesegal9593]

Very interesting. One thing I wonder about is whether Mystra would send Elminster to do something a super wizard could do to destroy the brain

[@zegreatpumpkinani9161]

Actually if Gale dies on the nautiloid shouldn't the netherese orb detonate?

[@risacooper]

I do think it takes a little while, seeing as image Gale still has time to ask you to revive him etc. Maybe the plot of the game happens super fast and the orb detonates after credits? :P

[@luvcherry]

​@@zegreatpumpkinani9161I think then his body would be in the wreckage and nuke that area maybe including the grove/goblin camp but besides that the plot already moved away from there so probably wouldn't change much?

[@Dianwhy]

@@risacooper Ah yes the main thing the game is known for, its plot happening very fast :P

[@MarquisdeL3]

He detonates on the 3rd long rest after death. So, depending on how quickly Minthara locates the prism and leaves, she could potentially be out of range. Gale describes the explosion as being half the size of Waterdeep iirc, and if you send him up to the Netherbrain by himself we can see the explosion is sizeable but not inescapable. Tl;dr: it would depend on how quickly Minthara moves.

[@MajorTanya]

Wake up everyone, Proxy is cooking once again ❤

[@Krwzprtt]

May I suggest another scenario : what if The Dark Urge hadn't fallen? Because if the Netherbrain is telling the truth to them about initially going with their plan of total eradiction, that might mean it'd never send the Chosen looking for the Astral Prism, so the Emperor never breaks free, doesn't tadpole the origins characters...could be interesting.

[@NiftyGam3r]

These are the kinda of videos i wanna watch about Baldurs Gate - these “What Ifs” are fun to ponder especially when theres in-game justitications to back them up. That’s why you’re the best Proxy.

[@alexsnewhandle]

8:27 I'm a Disney Princess run truther full stop

[@sabrina0013]

i love "what if" fanfics so much, and you've gone to the distance of doing machinima for the whole thing. bravo, friend ♥

[@ryankasch5561]

I agreed up to the point of Gortash not killing the elder brain. He, much like any reasonable character, would not take the odds of controlling it. That's just asking all of faerun to band together to bear down on Baldurs gate. Instead, he's the hero and uses his accumulated power to take control of the city. Given what's implied in a minthara romance epilogue I don't see the emperor screwing with the plans of the main character, who in this case is gortash.

[@Foxador]

He did take the odds to control it tho? Him and the other two chosen where controlling the elder brain since the start and they knew full well what they were doing. I don't see why it would change now. I do think that he wouldn't let the squid do the controlling tho

[@Cocoecake]

I agree, I think Gortash would call his ultimate control there, being seen as the ultimate hero and ruler of Baldurs Gate. I think after figuring out the emperor's plan (cause he clearly knows most of it already) and having no other allies left he would totally kill the elder brain to tie up loose ends.

[@asuraofwrath]

@@Foxador he wouldnt risk it a 2nd time especially if the elder brain taunts him like it dose us and saying this was its plan from the start

[@Raider_MC3]

Proxy first of all I love your videos so much and I figured I could give you some tips (if you don’t already know them). How to get stuff from a trader without spending money. 1. Donate the trader a pouch, then open it in their inventory and fill it up with the stuff you want to get from them. After that cast fog behind them but make sure they are not in the fog cloud as this will generally start combat or get you arrested. Use Astarion or if your character is a rogue to pick pocket the pouch from them. If will contain all the items and is generally a lot quicker to get than individually pick pocketing all the items you want. 2. a. Donate the trader a pouch, then open it in their inventory and fill it with all the items you want. Kill Gale and put his corpse into a box. Repeatedly move the box away and towards the trader, lowering the health slowly and eventually killing them. When you are moving the box away and towards them, make sure that they keep receiving and losing the necrosis condition. After the die, cast fog on them, making sure once again no other NPC’s are affected by it and steal the pouch back from their corpse. b. Repeat the whole method up until the trader is on 1-10 hp from Gale’s necrosis condition. Cast fog behind them (as they are alive and casting it on them will aggro them), lure them into the fog cloud with either Druid cat form or any method you can think of, then knock them out with Non Lethal Passive. They will not die but you can still loot their corpse for the pouch back full of everything you wanted. (This may start a fight though not sure). 3. If you are trading with an NPC who is not important to the story or not in a crowed area, you can do the pouch method then either kill the trader or knock them out as this will drop the pouch in both methods. Note, you can also just knock them out without doing the pouch method and it will still drop the whole trading inventory. Once again, I love your videos so much and they are really useful as-well, as entertaining. I hope this helps you and anyone else who reads this.

[@killskill9391]

I have no idea how easy or hard it must have been to record all those scenes, but they look amazing.

[@muhamadvirgiawanyuska248]

1:25 That Amelia Earhart Reference is FOUL 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@chloed.boudreault2600]

I love that you put time to show us everything you just theorise. Good job !

[@shakostarsun]

At 1:52 how could The Emperor find the astral prism if hes inside the astral prism?

[@GenkiZenkai]

You have to be the best bg3 youtuber on youtube by far. These what ifs are my fav.

[@Lamentationsofapoory]

I haven't read a ton of comments but your commitment to make the footage synergistic with your theorized plot is just incredible presentation.

[@rvrb11]

actually a tav named "briplock shitlock" an orc barbarian on honor mode who withoug party members hits every badguy in the game until they die

[@donguiranzkls]

Dude, you sure had spend a hell lot of time getting all this footage. Thanks for your great work.❤

[@Rhino1400]

Every time I get a notification for one of your videos, I know it’s going to be good, and this one didn’t disappoint! The amount of thought out into every what if is amazing, keep up the great work!

[@DocDictator]

wow, the ending got SPICY real fast, great stuff as always

[@feherdaniel2010]

I love these hypothetical situation videos, it's clear you put in a lot of effort to back things up with facts and knowledge and that makes it really enjoyable

[@feherdaniel2010]

8:30 again the Gondians with their problems...

[@amshermansen]

I love how you basically made an evil playthrough sound entirely sensible and something you could have had in the game.

[@cyanic3148]

the "no Tav what if" is a video I always come back to and rewatch, so I'm very glad to see another What If scenario, and hope we get more in the future, with different configurations of people being dead or present

[@AlekSalam-b9p]

Cool video, much much better quality than a previous story video, congrats. And how about beating bg 3 solo honor, but without any items (maybe nether stones, prism and some keys are exceptions). Basicly your inventory should be blank and you can't even drag items in bag around. Maybe just drag if it's really realy necessary.

[@dylanwoodward5256]

I've really been enjoying your content that I've only recently stumbled upon :) I love the theories, themed playthroughs, and cut content. You've got a new subscriber!

[@raszota8466]

Since Minthy regrets becoming an absolute servant, I think the moment the relic protects her, she would go into party recruited mode. She was against kheteric and orin before she got tadpoled. And we know Minthy would gather allies and clear the game herself.

[@oDrashiao]

There must have been so much "invisible" work in making all the footage, esp the Gortash part. Outstanding video!

[@starryeyedinput]

clicked on this thinking it'd be about what happens if the player kills the origin characters on-sight and was pleasantly surprised by the actual concept! very thoughtful and well done. great visuals too!

[@_lost_paradise5089]

Wow, i never thought these video's would end uo being my absolute(ha) favorite:D Using all the models in game to make the "story cutscenes" is flawless brilliance, just like Gortash...! Up until the end there... Absolute(haha) Cinema 🙌🎥 💯

[@jeriflyn3778]

You did an incredible job on this video! Really cool cinematic combination of all the footage and your theory.

[@TigressInferna333]

This is an excellent video. I think it would be likely that Minthara could be persuaded by the Emperor to turn against Ketheric. Having her mind to herself and having him visit her in a dream or two would likely have her figure out she had been being forced to do things against her will, which she would not have taken lightly

[@Mitchthisis]

The dagger turning towards Gortash was INCREDIBLE. The visual story telling here was ASTONISHING. And the narrative was PERFECT. this was absolutely the brains plan and no one could convince me otherwise. This was a joy to watch

[@kayle995]

Man I love the theories, but those visual are sooooo good. Keep it coming !

[@SunbleachedAngel]

Quality fan fiction, absolutely love it

[@elguty4045]

the amount of work u put on these videos is admirable dude.

[@potted_plant]

this was so interesting. love those "what if" videos.

[@Silentgrace11]

I’d say the only crucial detail you missed is Gale going kaboom. Considering his plot description is that it would blow only a chunk of the sword coast off the map, though, and Minthara would have no obligation to carry around a noxious corpse in the same way the party does, presumably so long as she’s able to find the prism and reach the shadow lands within 2 days time she’d survive the encounter, and Baldur’s gate would mostly be unharmed short of some earthquakes from a massive explosion across the map. With Minthara’s habit of not being able to find specific areas, though, her being able to find her way to the shadow lands within 2 days is questionable at best, even as a previous denizen.

[@Isnogood12]

Just for plot convenience, I'm guessing Gale would still be stuck behind his portal or fall off the nautiloid in Avernus.

[@kingofgrim4761]

Tbf, in a normal playthrough game gets trapped in a glyph. If not saved/killed there, he simply dies with no damage to the sword coast

[@asuraofwrath]

@@kingofgrim4761 but thats only if he survives the nautiloid otherwise his body is probably just amongst the rubble

[@viktoriakondrat1122]

Your videos are so addicting. I always love the what could be/ theories ❤

[@reegarou]

There's a flaw in this theory. When the player has the prism, there's a scene when you arrive at Baulder's Gate the first night where the player has to go into the Astral Plane and defeat the Githyanki that are attacking trying to free Orpheus. Without a player there, then the attack still happens, but this time the Emperor is defeated and Orpheus is freed. The Githyanki would attack the remaining Chosen that are still alive and the Elder Brain. And forgive any misspelling of NPC names, it's been months since I played the game.

[@MindOfIsaac]

Wow..... great work with the footage btw

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Thanks a lot!

[@dylanpetterson8018]

This is a super cool, interesting look at possibilities with evidence. I really enjoyed seeing where this led.

[@TamTroll]

this is like the opposite of "What if there was no player but the story kept going", i love it.

[@Brooklynxman]

Yeah the brain definitely messed up setting off the plot, letting the three fight each other and the artifact stay with vlaakith would have nearly certainly resulted in its success

[@RRRR-jr1gp]

Wasn't the artifact stolen by Shart? From what I gather, it goes Emperor sent to steal the Artifact -> He finds the artifact in creche K'liir and "enters" it -> Shart sent to steal the Artifact -> She grabs it and is kidnapped by a nautiloid together with lae'zel -> the nautiloid passes by Waterdeep grabbing Gale, Baldur's Gate and kidnaps Astarion and Tav, and the Hells where it grabs Wyll and Minthara

[@majesticwalrus8905]

Would the emperor not block the control of the mind brain on Minthara once she finds it?

[@natelee4205]

How do you not have more subscribers This felt canon, the way you manipulated the game to feel like cutscenes of exactly what you described is surreal.

[@AverageVagrant]

2:22 -I believe the Emperor at this point can mess up with her mind so that she is freed from the will of the Absolute. And then she will go into rage for controlling of the Absolute, because she has a lust for power

[@ArmorFrogEntertainment]

That... seems about right. The idea that the Absolute wanted the Emperor to recreate the Grand Design makes peefect sense.

[@OakandIV]

This was excellent. Well done. The only slight change I would add is that it is only a matter of time before the Netherbrain finds some way to dominate The Emperor. He might maintain the appearance of a servant, while manipulating the emperor to do as he wished; just as the emperor tries to manipulate the origin characters rather than dominating them outright. There was a scene cut from early access where we learned that a mind flayer was controlling some fisherman by making them believe that it was their beloved child. The mind flayer that the party finds in act one in the wreckage uses compassion to try to control them. Probably the Netherbrain would control the emperor with the belief that it was in its best interest to do everything the brain desired.

[@YamatoCannon985]

Why wouldn't the Emperor shield Minthara from the influence of the Elder Brain while she is in posession of the Astral Prism?

[@AylienYu]

The quality of this video convinced me to subscribe. Love how you could fake footage of everything so convincingly!

[@joelt2002]

Gortash typically seeked to have leverage. His lack of trying to get leverage over the Emperor is out of character for him. He was also obsessed with getting the relic, yet suddenly doesn't really investigate it's use any further after acquiring it? The three Nethersite holders were acting on behalf of their gods. I don't think any of them betray each other without the Origin Characters/Tav interfering.

[@justtosharefiles678]

W vid. I need to stop watching these cuz I keep spoiling myself for other endings but they’re so good!

[@RyomenPoukuna1]

My goat always delivers🗣️

[@hyrulian4486]

Another great lore video! Thanks for constant top notch baldur’s gate content.

[@CatLadyNatalie]

What a cool video. I was rooting for Gortash. Wonderul job with the visual. It was really engaging

[@fitchfam6312]

I have a challenge idea: Can You beat BG3 with only (Expendable) Hirelings (Working Title) ============================================== Rules are as follows: -You must recruit every companion and complete their quest, however, they cannot join your party -You must minimize using consumables (Scrolls, Health Potions, etc) -If Tav ever dies, you must reload -Due to everyone else being expendable, you cannot revive any dead Hirelings, and use little to no healing items -Tav cannot attack and must try their best to flee from combat (Just Tav, not the Hirelings, ignore this until you can recruit hirelings) -No equipping Hirelings with magical items, you have to hoard those -No skipping puzzles or optional combat (Unless it is necessary to compete the challenge) -You may not use Withers to change any of the Hirelings classes -Any dead Hirelings must be revived, dismissed, and then never used for the rest of the run (Like a Nuzlocke) That’s it for rules, I got this idea when I became curious to see how many Hirelings it would take to kill Auntie Ethel

[@Taric25]

“But that’s just one fan’s theory, a Game Theory, thanks for watching.”

[@mainmarco123]

I really like this idea/line of logic. I think another outcome could be that Kith'rak Voss finds it, but I am curious how that line of events would happen. Could be a good follow up video!

[@MrLuc420]

The amount of work put into this video is pretty amazing

[@Asha_Cosplay]

Honestly, I can see this happening. Great video!

[@SamsonScorpio]

This was incredibly well done. Bravo!

[@bentran9171]

Wow. I honestly wanted to experience the gameplay first but I knew I wouldn’t have the time to play that exact one. But to hear it and get to watch game play of it two was well written and a very very lovely watch 🎉❤❤❤

[@Andrea.r94]

a playtrough with minthara as origin character with the act 1 and 2 from her prospective would be really cool

[@leonardoamaro1506]

Amazing video, just yesterday I was checking your profile to see if you had uploaded anything new, keep up the great work :)

[@mafiaboss3077]

This was really well thought through. Usually these alternate history things have everything happen basically the same but you really got into the characters heads and wrote a compelling narrative

[@detecafix]

I love your sense of humor and storytelling! I think I'd probably watch you cover any game 😂 Onward and upward!

[@kmcbain]

Please never stop making these.

[@Takashiy]

Damn, this editing is amazing. Another banger as always Proxy

[@widowmaker4976]

I just finished this game recently for the first time, lived under a rock and was basically blind on characters and plot, and just found out I apparently missed over half the recruitable companions thanks to this vid. Wow.

[@kingofgrim4761]

Idk if that’s true, he didn’t show too many recruits tbh

[@lunavixrn5651]

ok i am subscribed and also very invested

[@NoName-ug7si]

Top quality content as usual

[@TheCuriousFan1]

Though I'll also add that the Absolute's army marching on Baldur's Gate for real has one big variable going for it. The fleet of Nautiloids they built. Unless the Githyanki incredibly punctual then the Nautiloids will be able to rain hell on the defences from the skies which really throws a wrench into the defence of the city.

[@alanborges4392]

Another excellent video

[@teawithsunny]

This video is amazing, absolutely not what I expected but I loved the vibe of it, especially the "background" footage. Now please respond to fine people at Baldur's Mouth Gazette and tell us when the Disney Princess run will happen? Pretty please?

[@claiminglight]

This was fun! But I do think that Minthara, who would have come under the influence of the artefact, would have regained her senses. I feel you sort of skimmed over that part, perhaps for the purpose of telling a longer story. But to my mind, there's no shot that the Emperor would have slept on her having come into possession of the artefact, and no way he'd simply allowed the artefact to be delivered to Thorm. Having come to her senses, Minthara would have rallied and gathered an army to confront Thorm in retribution, potentially freeing the mind of Nere and recruiting him and those loyal to him. Whether Minthara would seek to free the other goblinoid true souls is difficult to say. As agents of her new enemy, she'd prefer them on side, but as she's a somewhat typical drow, she'd view the goblinoids as well beneath her and unworthy of sharing equal status. From that point, as Minthara is a PC character, I have little doubt that she'd succeed along a path similar to a typical Evil playthrough.

[@ognyannedev5979]

I think the emperor would have tried to turn Minthara to his side. After all it doesn't want to be captured by the three.

[@itsmantras]

love your vids as always proxy. be safe!

[@TheBlackDeck]

Me: **killed every origin character except my custom created character, and only used undead mercenaries as my allies for my entire first play through.**

[@josephm8294]

I think you have a really good theory for creating an alternate ending that would be really interesting see unfold. It would be cool to see as a full campaign mod. When you think about this stuff at work, that's how you know you're in really deep. lol

[@JRandall0308]

Can we take a moment to appreciate the attention to detail at… 0:21 where on the conspiracy board we can read “This means nothing I just needed a note” 8:26 where the newspaper has such headlines as “Steelwatch sex robots NOT coming soon despite high demand”, “Who has the best bathroom in Baldur’s Gate’s Lower City?”, and most awesome of all, “Disney Princess Run Or RIOT Say the Fans. Proxy Remains Silent.”