What Happens When Minthara Meets Spiderman?

[@kaptenbear1395]

Knowing the Drow and Lolth, Kar'niss must have done something terribly horrible. Like, speaking near a woman or something.

[@Nabo42]

He interrupted a ritual being performed by a matron mother and then stepped on a spider. Probably.

[@randomthoughts6680]

Usually drider transformation is a high punishment, considered "fate worse than death" (unless it's 4e, but let's ignore it). Considering he is a pale drow (which is super rare) it probably was a serious crime, since there's a little more room for forgiveness if the male is a pale drow or a Draegloth. BUT, drider transformation also happens when a drow fails or refuses an important task given by Lolth herself, usually related to her clergy or the intrigues of power in Menzoberranzan. Which means, he could've just said "no" to Lolth herself, but not to a matron, it would have ended in death.

[@sayzin]

​@@randomthoughts6680What's so bad about being a drider. Does it drive you insane or something

[@randomthoughts6680]

@@sayzin Yes, but that's the lesser of the problems. Driders are literally cast out in the underdark completely alone and defenseless. Let alone they also lose a lot of "body parts that are used to relieve tension" and are dammed to be a monstrosity who is bound to be hunted by things way worse that lurks in the shadows.

[@TotemoGaijin]

@@randomthoughts6680 Huh, and here I'd think they'd consider it some kinda high honor since they've become closer to Lolth's image.

[@tjockad]

There is some more interesting dialogue with him when playing as a female drow. I made him give me his lantern for being rude and not knowing his place. Then he died from the curse.

[@zeehero7280]

LADIES FIRST!

[@stefaniafrangella6579]

When I played I did the same, but he didn't die, I found him changed by the curse near the House of Healing

[@rottenp3741]

Yes,because Drows have matriarchal rules in their society,men are considered lower than women

[@CieloNotturno86]

​@@stefaniafrangella6579 I did the same in different runs, I think he died in my Explorers run but I found him again transformed by the shadows in Tactician and Honour

[@Martin-di9pp]

You can make him drop the lantern and walk away as any character, just need high conversation skills.

[@FacetiousEnigma]

If your character is lolth-sworn you get the same dialogue options for this guy. Its hilarious being able to call him an abomination and still get his help despite him being a deranged psycho.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

If you were cursed by a demon spider goddess of chaos for some slight real or imagined to be a spider hybrid when you used to be Drow, (acknowledged by all elven kind as the best looking in the bunch) how sane would you stay over their centuries long lifespan? Males are subservient to females in Drow society.

[@sabrecat3460]

Seldarine drow have a similar, but not the same reaction.

[@dailywern1611]

can confirm. am playing as a lolth sworn drow and got the same dialogue. i didnt have her lute tho so i had to do some persuasion

[@WorldWearyAngel]

is there lore to this specific spider guy? I just hated him on site with the eyes x.x so much nope killed immediately. @@mikewaterfield3599

[@mikehorne4053]

​@@mikewaterfield3599 "acknowledged by all elven kind as the best looking in the bunch" [Citation needed]

[@Mureto]

"I have a lyre, it used to belong to a drow" said the drow herself

[@turdferguson5932]

As she proceeds to play it invisibly

[@brass_hearses]

an imaginary one at that too

[@thealmightylizardwizard96]

She's lost her mind already, such a shame.

[@TB_in_the_coffee]

"It used to belong to a Drow, it still does too"

[@GamerTrump]

Probably in reference to nere

[@adnaP_esreveR]

That's not Spiderman, that's Man-Spider, his cousin.

[@reduande]

Actually in time Spiderman looks about same...

[@urgereturnz6540]

And that’s a real character in the comics💀

[@DemonicAdj]

Goddamn it, Frank! You beat me to it with your greasy sausage fingers!

[@Keram-io8hv]

Ketheric wants pictures

[@LeRoiEnJaune]

Okay, but what's their relation to this 'Spider-B--ch' that Man-Spider alluded to?

[@johnconstantine1901]

you can be any cool race and stuff in this game yet you choose to be a k pop artist

[@Cyon2012]

To each their own.

[@138monkey9]

a pop artst from kara-tur@@Cyon2012

[@xeno2517]

His Tav looks like a Square Enix character.

[@Local_commentor]

​@@xeno2517sleeping dogs intensifies

[@sdoaiza]

IM PISSING MYSEKF OFF

[@JacquelineFrame-g8c]

Wyll’s reaction to the spider is so funny lol. I didn’t bring him to this interactions so I didn’t get to see it

[@TheHolyLionOx]

4:25 min if someone is asking haha

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

Holy shit it's hilarious xD

[@Li_Tobler]

Omg I SNORTED

[@The_FemaleTitan]

I cackled when he said his line 😂

[@StyleshStorm]

Lmao

[@Queenie97]

I would love to play DLC of Minthara as an origin character and have one of her outcomes be a good path where she joins the original six against the absolute, similar to the redemption path for Dark Urge. It would be interesting to see the world of BG3 through her eyes.

[@dumbfukx]

how about a patch/dlc for astarion getting rid of his vampire curse before meeting cazador..? so you can have good ending without him suddenly burning up in the sun, that ending is wack because he had to live all alone in the temple and started feeding on humans so which ending is truly the bad ending..?

[@Queenie97]

@dumbfukx To build off of up what you said have the hunt for a cure after the defeat of cazador to give Astarion a chance to become comfortable in himself like he was in the epilogue camp scene. Good Astarion seems so settled and happy so giving him an option that he can choose would fit better with his character arc imo.

[@Senok13]

Well, she HAS a more-or-less good option, if you - after speaking Halsin - you only knock her unsconcious, when you do the quest of eliminating the goblin leaders (the others can be killed, just do not let Halsin go with you for that quest). When you speak with Halsin again, he joins you, quest cleared, you protected the grove - but as Minthara survive it (as she was only unconscious, not dead), you will run into her in the Moonrise Tower, where you can make her join to your merry little group. Without doing an evil run.

[@Martin-di9pp]

@@Senok13 She will help you defeat the Absolute, but she very much wants you to take control of the crown and use it's power to subjugate the world. She can become a loyal ally and partner, but she will never be a good person.

[@Videoforthewin]

Minthara is playing the new Air lute

[@missingn0o]

Spiderman never quite recovered from losing the game awards

[@Aristocles22]

Drider-Man. He does whatever a Drider can.

[@silverbullet7691]

Spins a web, any size! Looks at you with spider eyes 👁️👁️ Look out, he is a Drider-Man

[@keiroty7187]

They say becoming a drider is worse than death itself according to drow

[@LET4M4RU]

Yep. Because you are cast out of any Underdark community, and anyone & everyone will fear you and try to kill you. You also are forced to sustain yourself on humanoid flesh, and your original body slowly decays in favor of this half-spider abomination. Alone, hunted by all, seeing your body slowly turn and only able to feed on flesh and blood. A fate worse than death indeed. Lolth really knows how to be a petty bitch

[@Dracomies]

Shadowheart looks very cold. She needs a sweater.

[@morganwilliams2684]

I love Wyll’s: There’s not a boot big enough!!

[@Aro9313]

I've heard of air guitar, but air lyre is next level

[@themonkeyking5]

When Wyll mentions no boot is big enough, I pictured the scene from The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy where Billy calls the exterminator to kill a giant spider in his room and when the exterminator sees it he says " Dang! Gonna need the big boot!" 😂

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

"There is a...Creature that works for me. He will show you the way to Moonrise Towers..." So yeah, the Drider having no reaction to Minthara makes no sense. The way Mods can break emersion I guess, since you can't have her there already

[@geofftaylor864]

i was just about to say this!! like, didnt she tell you to call this guy?

[@osufan8278]

you can, just get to moonrise through a grym forge, free Minthara and go to this location

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

@@osufan8278 Is the Drider even there anymore if you skip him? Anyway, he should still have some reaction to her here. Also, no matter what you do, unless you kill the Grove, it kills the Romance possibillity and makes her an empty husk of a Character....the Game is so good yet the "Evil" playthrough has to be in my top 3 dissapointments of 2023

[@osufan8278]

@@WalterWhite-jz7ct it does not kill romance, you just won't sleep with her during party(because there will be no party). I even saw a video on youtube where a custom male durge romances her act 2-3 while skipping goblin-tiefling conflict

[@osufan8278]

@@WalterWhite-jz7ct and I think they also patched her and restored some dialogue including romance ones. If you played in august I recommend you to replay

[@Irohtheweirdo]

The fact that Tav over there just looks like an anime character.. I just can't stop laughing

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

When you side with the harpers he's the one whose lantern you set out to steal Since I was playing a Lolth sworn drow myself I simply claimed that I was chosen as his replacement since clearly I am his superior I even got to convince him to walk into the shadows without the lantern Funnily enough Lolth doesn't get mentioned there, so I only just learned that his queen is the Absolute XD (In my defence, if a *Drider* talks of a queen it's easy to get confused)

[@johnb6913]

Final Fantasy escapee as main character

[@JohanKylander]

Well, we have one for the main villan.

[@realMrVent]

In her own words, "a wonderful webbing".

[@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong]

Minthara is, after all, one of the funniest people we know.

[@jiminychristmas2707]

Spider-man, Spider-man, does whatever a- WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!

[@SzakunX]

When you play Twinks Urge instead Dark Urge. 🙃

[@Stargeek06]

Minthara's pretty forward with how little she likes Lolth so her calling out a drider like that is kinda weird.

[@marleonka.]

I don't think youre normally suppossed to have her here, since she normally joins you after you make it to Moonrise so it might be a thing with cheats and such

[@MrLaz0rz]

@@marleonka. you do if you personally kill the tieflings with her.

[@MrLaz0rz]

ah no, I remembered we did that in my multi game but still had to rescue her. my bad, long time since act 1

[@Stargeek06]

@@marleonka. It's just mod+Minthara having Lolth-Sworn tag. I realized they don't have any real option for an evil non-Lolth drow so the non Lolth aligned evil drow default to Lolth-sworn subrace. Seldarine options tend to have a more good aligned attitude and that might be even ~weirder~ here. Like I get it but I still wish they touched on Vhaerun at least. He seems fitting for Minthara.

[@seonor]

@@Stargeek06 Minthara is a Matriarch of house Baenre, her following any other god besides Lolth would have seen her killed or outcast a long time ago.

[@55rz55]

This is probably a mod since lore-wise, that drider is Minthara's underling

[@valandil7454]

I was curious what that lyre was for, I was playing lots of different tunes on it expecting it to do something 😄 My character's a dodgy high elven ranger rogue so I thought convincing the pious drider to give me the lantern and get himself lost in the dark was entirely in character, I was a bit surprised it even worked

[@jellyb_vibin8382]

I choked a bit when he called referred to Lolth as the "Spider Bitch". I just thought that was absolutely hilarious because in a dnd homebrew campaign I played in. There was a very particular drow npc who called her the very same. He was an enemy NPC from the 2nd session who the party ended up recruiting because stuff happened. And he switched sides, originally with the intent of kidnapping my character and killing the rest of the party to bring her back to the underdark as planned. She was wanted for about 1000 gold at the time for a reason she didn't know yet. But he ended up not doing that because her innocence, kindess, and trusting nature, started to gradually chip away at his cold and hardened shell around his soul. And he actually started to care for her, later on falling in love with the wood elven girl. There is a lot more to the whole story but it would take a while to write. It would be like trying to write a whole chapter book about a forbidden and unexpected love story lol.

[@nenram.5786]

I have the misfortune of killing Minthara on my first playthrough. I will not fail this time around.

[@Not_N]

after getting conflict with him in the caravan encounter you can make him give you his lantern and if you are a strong enough oathbreaker you can dominate him to become your minion while undead but if you're friend enough and share your knowledge about absolute with him he helps you aggainst ketheric first boss fight (thats an another way for him to give the lantern but in a friendly way) the fact that you can decide his destiny in so many way make that game special because its not just him its EVERY SINGLE NPC

[@rareraven]

Goblins and orcs, British in any fantasy.

[@Duhbish-i5p]

"there is no boot big enough" XD

[@Wrathgoreable]

mabey this is an ignorant question but how exactly can this happen? did you take the under dark entrance into this land to avoid the true soul escourt, THEN avoided the drider the first time near that cabin, THEN WENT TO MOONRISE TOWERS WITH NO LANTERN, and then free minthara, THEN circle back to the entrance from the moutain pass?

[@michasokoowski6651]

Mod to summon minthara to your camp most likely

[@sasori2425]

Things to note: Take the elevator in the Forge area where you kill or rescue Nere (depending on your playthrough) with Minthara. The elevator puts you on upper area of the map where you meet the Harpers whom if you choose can lead you to the Inn where you can get blessed by Isobel. Isobel will help you deal with the lighter versions of the curse thus no Lantern needed until the Moonrise area specific area. Thus never triggering the Drider scenes what so ever. No need to avoid the Drider at all, there are two ways into the Shadowland. Basically what you do to get this stuff You skip to Moonrise without killing the leaders in the Goblin camp this in turn does end the Druid's Grove however this means Minthara will get punished at the Moonrise towers, thus you free her and learn of her brainwashing. You can then choose to circle back or just teleport to the Gith area that enters the Shadow lands to have this meeting. OR you can just straight up side with Minthara depending on your playthrough. kzbin.info/www/bejne/noSbf594osmUf8k - here is a video breakdown of how to free Minthara

[@Jewels___]

@@sasori2425 Ok so if I ignore the raid/save grove mission I can get, karlach, wyll and minthara in the same group? Neat. And how does this affect the Halsin missions on act 2?

[@WxzoHD]

I think in some previous patch notes I read that you cant recruit Halsin and Minthara in the same playthrough any more. Although I do not know if you can still do Halsin's quest with Minthara in your party.@@Jewels___

[@sasori2425]

@@WxzoHD i believe that is correct but I haven't done a playthrough without Halsin heck my 3rd playthrough i plan to romance Halsin directly so my mean or even evil playthrough isn't happening until 4th or 5th time around.

[@guitarmama06]

Wow! She's *very* talented! Playing an invisible lyre like that!

[@solomongrundy9735]

Minthara's face is so expressive.

[@Chopstorm.]

This is going to sound weird, but her mouth bothers me. When she talks it just doesn't look natural. Like at :57 when she says "my infection", he mouth doesn't even close to make the mm sound.

[@zeehero7280]

Minthara is so funny, love her reaction to Minsc, and after killing Raphael

[@Calumity]

The Drider to me is one of the few things in Drow lore that really dont make sense, like how is it a punishment? I get that it wasnt Lolth's choice to be a spider, but she literally transforms you into something closer to her form, something which she demands be protected, and people get killed if they hurt spiders. I fail to see how being part spider would be bad to Lolth of anything it should be an honor to be one among Drow, just lore wise seems hypocritical and probably needs adjusted in later books.

[@user-zs2io8cg7c]

Marking them with a curse to show they failed as a brand so to speak. Branding cattle doesn't make it an honor to be a steak. Also they can't breed, have no genitals for that since they're considered enemies to Lolth and she doesn't want them breeding .

[@mercedeswalt6621]

Yeah, I’ve always thought that too.

[@_BBAGG_]

Drider are generally exiled from their clans and sent the outskirts as mindless guards. Lolth respects and expects her followers to fight for her favour. She doesn’t respect a mindless idiot that does what they must. This is not the drow way. The drow way is cunning and skill. This is how they honour lolth.

[@rustyjones7908]

Drow do a lot of pointless and self-destructive things because they're run by a cult dedicated to a batshit insane spider demon.

[@geenobe9941]

All the non origin companions (Minthara, Halsin, Minsc, Jaheira) have no unique dialogue outside of their basic racial stuff since the game doesn't expect you play as them like it does the others.

[@sarrach94]

Some of them do actually. Halsin for example has unique dialogue if you speak to Jaheira in last light while controlling him.

[@LET4M4RU]

Jaheira has special dislogues in act III with the thieves guild.

[@mzamnesia7190]

Ok Wyll is kinda hilarious with that boot comment 😂

[@hedition9346]

Okay cool, but what happens when Minthara meets Spiderman?

[@Dkownzall]

“Yes here’s my lyre” *plays invisibly*

[@zefurin7300]

I think this dialog should be different IMO. Karniss acts like he never saw Minthara : I think they should have. Minthara has already served Ketheric by the past so she should know the shadowland and actually she posess the Spider Lyre before giving it to your character... so there are plenty of chance they met.

[@Spumoon]

How is this possible?? Did you get to Moonrise some other way and then bring Minthara back here?

[@Felony10]

Your character has no business looking this pretty like bros glowing fr 😭😭

[@arthuratkins5902]

John Cena’s signature Lyre mod.

[@techingo1319]

The fact that they call it a Spiderman erks me 😂

[@3azyWolf]

5:55 That must be very entertaining play with you when you look at one conversation like more than one minute. 😆

[@theSixPathsOfTrains]

I didn’t know you could get her this early. Thought it was only after moonrise towers

[@fay4967]

Apparently if u side with the goblins and raid the grove, she'll join afterwards

[@theSixPathsOfTrains]

@@fay4967 That's neat.

[@rettbull9100]

Minthara does have magical fingers.

[@seafoodsalad3356]

It’s all the exact same as a normal player and nothing special for Minthara specifically

[@ChiticariuLaura]

It's very funny if you fail when playing the lyre, the spider calls you a murderer of lyres or something like that 😂

[@Synthia17]

It's funny to see Minthara get offended on behalf of Lolth and then in act 3 when you enter that temple with all the shrines she'll say that she'll spit on lolth one.

[@absolchan]

the Tav though, ayo? *swoon*

[@SzakunX]

Yup, That's a Twink Urge, like Dark Urge but you wanna do enjoyable things when it strikes.

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

That's some sick airlute skills

[@Fridaey13txhOktober]

0:26 Shadowheart looking real nice!

[@Longknife]

Why is your character a J-pop idol? Man the Absolute really did infect *everyone,* didn't they?

[@Nabo42]

It's exactly the same as any Lolth-sworn drow...

[@rogersjgregory]

Ah yes, the invisible lyre. Now, where did I put it?

[@clarkside4493]

Minthara rocking that air guitar is funny.

[@miruajin6448]

Yikes, the lyre giga broke…

[@Zynnfae]

its like that on my game too, every playthrough ;=;

[@skyeplus]

Spiderman, Spiderman Does whatever a spider can.

[@witchapparatus]

Oof. The Botox is strong with this one.

[@TransitAngst]

4:36 This always kills me lol. Can't look him in the eye(s)

[@cen3684]

5:43 i could smell his breath 😭😭😭

[@mmun_]

I wish I could :(

[@untrustingstatue]

Dunno how you got Minthara before moonrise interrogation but guessing from your Tav's IMVU-lookin' appearance I'm going to say it's mods

[@raistlin3462]

Not to mention having Wyll on the team.

[@-Mushroom_Kid-]

It’s kinda weird minthara has lolth sworn dialogue considering her character

[@maccarth4910]

Air guitar solo going hard

[@thefiendish186]

Bro wanted actually to play Final Fantasy with this Tav.

[@wesleyhughes4852]

Ayy minthy can play the invisible lyre 😂😂😂

[@Aristocles22]

3:46 Is Shadowheart wearing clothes from a mod? I haven't seen those in-game. If it IS from the game itself and not a mod, where do you get those clothes?

[@Cassandra_Solidor]

It's a mod. Forget from which NPC but you can't get it as armor normally.

[@0megacron]

It's from a mod called "Nightsong of Shar".

[@neptuania]

It’s probably easier to get it from the basket of equipment mod especially this specific model without the shoulder part of the original armour

[@violet-pn7fo]

it's a real outfit in game it 's just not armour, you can buy it in act 3 in facemakers boutique

[@randomclod385]

Pull a shadowheart I think

[@StealthheartDraws]

Minthara plays a mean air lyre 🤘

[@IIPre]

How did he got minthara before heading to moon towers?

[@Shenanakins]

i thought minthara wasnt recruitable before reaching moonrise?

[@andreah2o]

Wyll and minthara side by side 😮

[@LotarLot]

What kind of Spiderman is he? He's not "man" at all. He is a drow cursed by the goddess Lolth and turned into a drider.(Drow + Spider)

[@Lichdemonz]

How did you manage to keep Wyll AND get Minthara? >.>

[@Baragys]

Не убивать гоблинов, не убивать друидов и тифлингов, пройди мимо.

[@Gilthwixt1]

Skip the grove confrontation and just go straight to Act 2 without resolving it. The Tieflings still die but Wyll and Karlach don't hold it against you since you weren't personally involved.

[@Lichdemonz]

@@Gilthwixt1 Ah... hard pass, in that case. XD

[@coreymcnaught]

Ok but then how did they get minthara in the party before getting to the tower?

[@xNarttu]

@@coreymcnaughtMods

[@darkwolf6879]

How do you get minthara this early in act2??

[@leahg.2672]

Ah yes, the invisible lyre

[@marinlucic]

What is that cool armor?!

[@BlackCat-du6mj]

Final fantasy looking character

[@ninjachannel007]

I always wondered. Thanks nerds.

[@valeried5173]

Lol my lyre was also invisible 😂

[@Twomoredays]

How did you get minthara before the shadow lands?

[@eddiefury]

How would you even get Minthara before meeting this guy?

[@brkbrkvjk]

How to take mintara? Or you "cleanup" tiflings and druids camp?

[@mightbecursed]

Same as any other Drow.

[@hookshot320]

It's never made sense to me that driders are so shunned by Lolth and her drow. Considering that Lolth herself is of a similar form. But then I remember that Lolth is just literally evil and hates everyone, including her own followers and that driders were cursed to be that way through failure. lmaoo

[@yourmary2888]

I have so many questions and so few answers))) I was sure that Wyll will leave or hate you for the Druids grove if you side with Minthara and go to the shadowlands this way.(I know that you can knock her down and then meet in the Moonrise tower) but its a different variant? And Shadowheart's clothes are gorgeous, I was thinking that you can get them later, no?

[@alanez0120]

Wait, how Minthara and Wyll can be in the same party before tower moonrise?

[@D1Roz]

How can u have mintara so early?

[@Stingrea51]

Late reply but most likely the mod that gives you a summon ring so that you can have her in act 1 "Daughter of Lolth - Minthara" is its name

[@pass4359]

How'd you get minthara before shadowmoon? If you take over the grove, wyll leaves. You can't have them both before Moonrise Tower, unless im missing out on something or a loophole.

[@Eric-kb2xt]

How did you have her join before reconnecting at moonrise?

[@masukatwenty2020]

Spider-Man. Spiderman. Thwip!

[@kharjo8099]

What armor is your character using??? It looks super cooool

[@JohnnyBlake-bu4hl]

I want to know too

[@michaelbarnard8529]

No boot big enough? In a world with giants? Also, nice invisible lute.

[@Glen67z]

how tf do you get minthara to join your crew before saving her in act 2??

[@nobreluan4578]

Cupcakke meets Spiderman 😢

[@Senok13]

... Air-lute instead of an air-guitar, eh? I think you get a bit of glitch... 😅

[@adamwesselinoff126]

Chris Heria BG3 DLC

[@AEKsview]

wait, how can Minthara be with you? last time i remember, when you kill the voillage and pass the night with her, she tells you she has to go and that you will meet her in the tower. I've only met her again at the tower