What Happens When the Big Brains Get it Wrong?

[@NotedDesperado]

Everyone - "Aurial is overpowered, it gives too much info." Junk - " What does this arrow mean? Someone is clicking something right now."

[@1DeletedAccount]

Tbf, that was after the nerf... And it's junk

[@balemythology8077]

Generally bad role design, had to add some adjustment or deleted

[@tyramir1119]

This is why I don't think Aurial is overpowered. It's a strong role *in the right hands.* And even then, you can still get it wrong. But what is Ellum going to do with this role? Steve? Baycon? Anyone who is new or returning to the lobby for a game or two? Even DumbDog got his reads wrong in the first couple of rounds where he caught 5up, and 5up could and should have guessed DumbDog out, because he did read DumbDog's role correctly ahead of time.

[@jakemichal1220]

@@tyramir1119 I mean you could say the same thing about pretty much any other info-giving role, like investigator or tracker; it really only matters how the big brains use it.

[@versuzzero5335]

​@@jakemichal1220 So this only means that aurial and other similar roles should not appear all in one game. Let's say aurial, investigator, and tracker, only 2 of these three should be active at a time, or maybe even just 1 of these three. Just like how executioner and jester shouldn't be both active at the same time... . I also want to add, transporter and swapper shouldn't be active at the same time... idk, in my head this makes sense.

[@ericyoung1210]

Junks so funny, "Someone is doing something. Someone is clicking something. I don't know who it is or what it is, but someone did something."

[@Fireball006]

You could debuff both Investigator and Aurial by making investigator work as an active ability instead of passive like tracker where they have to use their ability on people in order to see their footsteps, this would also give aurial another role that could be using their ability all of the time.

[@KyouOneZilla]

This is actually a great idea, but I would make it so the Investigator turned on the ability to see all footprints on a timer then it goes on cooldown, instead of clicking directly on someone.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Oh wow, that’s a fantastic idea. Let me feed that back to Donners!

[@WolfPhoenix0]

Wouldn't that make Aurial and Tracker the same thing though?

[@Fireball006]

@@WolfPhoenix0 investigator is the role I suggested to have the active ability, not aurial

[@presidentmichael3349]

Agreed. Make it have a cooldown like medium and maybe create colored ghosts at the place someone was when they used an ability that round. Limit it to 10 second cooldown and like 5 times vision range. You probably need like a 3 minute round to test the whole map and even then it might need updating. As for medic I think it should be combined with Aultrist and given protection from the person who they gave a in case they think they shielded a bad guy they gave a shield. 5up and Dumbdog are the whiny hypocrites of the group so I have trouble agreeing with them when complaining. Dumbdog I find has mostly sound logic for accusations so I trust him more. 5up just lies and complains and abuses people's sympathy then whines to chat that people don't believe him. Even if he has a valid point if he is in whiny mode I just stop listening.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Janet basically played this game as though she was Plagueabearer - which ironically may have led to her winning the game over DumbDog.

[@461weavile]

I've always thought this is the smart move. I figure it's not frequent enough for people to have enough attempts to really nail it.

[@ChristianAkacro]

@AmongUsAcademy I always thought going for three kills with arso is too much of a giveaway. I think dousing two and igniting just the two leaves so much more doubt for crew. Maybe it was lovers, maybe it was two imposters kills, maybe one neutral one imposter,

[@deleted-something]

I honestly always go for either fake plaguebear or double kill since round one, I like it

[@halfstache1070]

I like it. Arsonist always knows if imposters are still alive or not (ignite timer), and as long as they stay near others they'll even be able to get timings on cross-map kills (douse suddenly becoming available again). Late game, just vote out the last imposter and then push the instant win button.

[@RandoSando.]

"Aurial is overpowered" Investigator : *can catch morphlings and people who vent* Tracker: *can catch swoopers and people who vent* Detective: *reveals if a body died from an imposter, neutral, or lovers* amnesiac: *gives time-frame of death and location of a body. Can also reveal if there's an undertaker* But I do agree with what another commenter said, if lights or comms are off then you should get a gray since you can't see who killed. Other than that I think the aurial role is very fair since a typical player would be doing tasks and not investigating every arrow like dumbdog

[@caitieknott7675]

Invest + swooped btw

[@mystik_owl]

Perhaps it would be interesting if there was an impostor role with a VERY LONG cooldown ability to instantly kill the crewmate with the fewest amount of tasks done, from anywhere on the map, to counteract crewmates focusing solely on their roles and encourage players to do tasks.

[@deleted-something]

Honestly neither kills or vent should count as abilities, especially kills.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Will feed that back as an option

[@deleted-something]

@@AmongUsAcademy thanks!

[@spoiledbleach]

it counts as an interaction, aurial is all about interactions, not abilities

[@vimesysammy]

I think that vents should count since there are several roles that use vents that aren’t imposters.

[@deleted-something]

@@vimesysammy I think that a big point of vents is to move without getting noticed, and while yes tracker can deny that, that is its main purpose, along with knowing lies or where the dead people probably are, while aurial doesn’t have a reason to count it other than that’s how things work on the code

[@AmongUsAcademy]

09:58 🩷Happy 25th Birthday 5up!🩷 - which by the way is on the 27th Oct 2024 (we just have time travel Down Under)

[@duxverdale]

Happy Belated Birthday 5up! (On a side note, 5up is younger than me?)

[@choco1101]

I feel part of the issue is just the "rocking the boat" effect of having a new role. Everyone is focused on it's own pros and cons. The argument for investigator being OP is valid to me, and replacing investigator with aurial could be fun or a lower frequency of each are also options. If I understand the roles correctly, one instance aurial is OP over investigator is stack kills though. The action arrow points directly to the killer in the pile and investigator doesn't do that.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Yup, for stack kills - coloured Aurial is more OP. Both can be OP in similar ways though - and lead to same “feel bads”

[@AmongUsAcademy]

7:03 I sorta get what 5up is saying. As the Aurial, you could "Hard Clear" the Transporter if they transported right next to you and you noticed, or the Engineer if they fixed right next to you. But they need some right place/right time to get the arrows. - That clear would be ONE WAY. You as the Aurial knows the Transporter is clear, not vice versa. Or the same with the Engineer. - conversely, you have multiple games now where there are now 3 way Medscan Clears. I don't like using "Whataboutism" - but it seems weird that people are ok with 3 way or 2way medscan clears, but this 1way clear you might luck into with the Aurial is a no go.

[@dorianddog]

yeah i dont understand why that is a problem in any way, like its not even that strong of a clear and relies a LOT on luck

[@DeathByDegrees8]

Color on but turn off notification for kills would be the best. Agree that colors on + revealing kills is broken.

[@mrv6554]

Your breakdown of 5up comments was really well done. I've been thinking 5up has been a bit of a sore loser lately, but you arguments helped me switch my mindset to him just being invested and trying to find the most fair & fun rules. I think this change in perspective will help me enjoy the games more. Keep up the great work and thanks for all you do

[@Lohpezhoh]

I mean, in his shoes, my problem would be having both type of clears on top of each other. Either way, the arrows showing kills/vents is the problem so it'll not be fixed immediately at least

[@AmongUsAcademy]

12:25 DumbDog "I think I've been struggling in general as Impostor Lately" - he says as he has the 3rd highest impostor winrate in 2024 in the lobby. - That being said, DumbDog might be onto something since last Impostor Win was Week 101, so 14th August 2024. He's had 3 Glitch Wins in between then!

[@nerdkour]

He got unlucky in 2 accounts where one game Janet was the Swapper swapping him and Dumbdog, and the other potential game where Hafu ruined it being blackmailed. This game also almost got ruined by Hafu thinking of Sheriffing him because Aipha cleared him. I think it's just the way he speaks as crew vs impostor; and also if there's seemingly no info then it most likely is DUmbdog :P Had Janet just moved away from the group last round it would have been interesting to see Arso vs Impostor matchup.

[@Blase21]

The random cuts to smajor jammin his music are always amazing 😂

[@savage-6369]

I can't believe they tunneled Ovilee after Smajor misfired and she admitted to being amnesiac. That's one of the only roles that has a reason to be near a body, plus she was clear the other rounds.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

OMG, a comment about the actual game and not the Aurial Role 😂

[@savage-6369]

@@AmongUsAcademy Everyone already covered that, I just wanted to see how other people felt about the game. I was shocked when Ovilee got voted, she was the one most cleared imo.

[@KingOfSpadess]

Not only that but Kara giving out her role guaranteed that the imposters would win if it wasn’t Ovilee.

[@savage-6369]

@@KingOfSpadess Exactly, Kara plays this game enough to have known better. There’s no scenario where Ovilee is a killer there.

[@BTurbulent]

I think 5up should def bring it up to them to adjust the settings for the roles because I think they’ve done a good amount of self-balancing as a lobby. You can set the color arrow radius to be within your vision or not at all, so they’re only white arrows within the set radius. Investigator you can also click the setting to anonymize all footprints, so they can mess with those settings if they want to balance better!

[@AmongUsAcademy]

45:33 - Janet with the regret of going next to DumbDog "I didn't think he'd kill be next to Aipha" just a lapse in situational awareness, where DumbDog gets one kill and then Guesses Kara is his strategy. Ah well, better luck next time Janet.

[@carringtonpilon1310]

Indeed but I do think she had the right idea of holding off! Like she said afterwards, she should've douced and ran away, or even just killed the previous round, claim Dumdog vented to get him voted out, and then maybe won that way? Might've been tricky, but Janet won this in my heart, just for how methodically she played that out.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

09:32 TRY MOVE VITALS TO MEDBAY PLEASE! - and before all the comments complaining about me complaining in consecutive videos, I'm only mentioning it as often as 5up mentioning the need to change Aurial settings! 😂

[@PixelKey]

It is so frustrating that after 4 years they are so hung up on playing the game the same way, only for them(Dumbdog, most vocally) to also complain that the game is becoming un-fun. Make it make sense, guys!

[@cajah88]

​@@PixelKey DD is also very particular and has already said several times to stop bothering him about the vitals thing (to the point that he has ranted about it in the past and insulted viewers who brought it up). He's also said very recently that some AU viewers make streaming the game unpleasant and hard to continue doing, so I'm not sure it's the best idea to keep trying to get viewers to suggest changes to him.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

@@cajah88 yes last time we “campaigned for vitals in lab” was in Sep 2023 - DumbDog, Kara and 5up shut it down saying they weren’t a fan. Since then, at least we haven’t mentioned it much until this week - over a year later - when I realised that 5up and Kara preferred Vitals in Lab in their other lobbies. I don’t see any downside in at least trying Vitals in Lab for a week - it’s akin to Eg introducing the Doomsayer, or nerfing Aurial settings. They literally spent different weeks playing different unbalanced maps. What is wrong with ticking a box to enable Vitals in Lab - a setting many players in the lobby already have experience with?

[@WolfPhoenix0]

You need to get Koji to advocate for this change if you want to make it happen.

[@cajah88]

@@AmongUsAcademy All I'm saying is that DD and his more vocal chat is going to be resistant to it if these suggestions come from viewers, especially if they mention they got the idea from a video, as has happened in the past. Someone from the actual lobby would have to make the suggestion, me thinks, or they run the risk of being on the receiving end of some comments they might not enjoy or appreciate.

[@nerdkour]

@30:20 Damn Janet saw that vent pop. I was wondering why she went onto Dumbdog just like that. Would've been a good play if she convinced crew she saw Dumbdog vent.

[@zavillion893]

Wow I just noticed that, good job to her for seeing that

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Want to see if there’s a viewer retention spike there! 😂

[@nerdkour]

@@AmongUsAcademy She could actually have won if she just moved away after dousing Dd. Dumbdog woul've killed AIpha, and assassinated Kara as Tracker, and then its Arso vs Impostor where Arso always wins because she has him doused (and lights off, so no reactor calls there)

[@Squall598]

@@nerdkour She had her win condition she just didn't capitalize on it.

[@hoi8100]

I think the colored arrows are overpowered with the current mod. But the gray arrows seem a bit too weak. I think they should be colored only if they're in your vision -- lights would be so much more important, for example. Aurial will also be harder to deduce roles with once more and more complex roles enter the game. As for investigator, I think the footprints should mirror the killer's abilities -- if they're morphed, change the footprint color. If they're swooping, gray/no footprints instead. I do think vitals should be in medbay. Not because it's too close to admin table, and we need to spread them out, but because it's too close to the button, which makes it so easy to abuse.

[@hoi8100]

As an avid Town of Salem player, this mod still has a lot of potential :)

[@zavillion893]

I completely agree with investigator mirroring the killers abilities, its kind of overpowered otherwise

[@UnfortunateCritic4]

my idea to balance aurial which i've commented just now is you have colours pop up when an ability is used but doesn't show arrows to pinpoint where the ability is used so it's up to the aurial to find where that player is that used that ability and deduce if they may have played a part in a kill. This could also open the potential of collaborating with the tracker which would make it an interesting dynamic if the two somehow became aware of their roles which is unlikely

[@KyouOneZilla]

I think Aurial just in general should not give arrows for kills, just like 5up says. Also think it shouldn't get arrows while you're on a task, and finally the range on color arrows should be really low, basically limited to the crew vision they use in the morning lobby. The non color arrows are very weak, especially the ones very far away and often overload the player with incomplete information, like you see here with Junkyard.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Or what if we spam arrows on Aurial? Aurial also give arrows for Doors opening? Opening your Map 🗺️? Just arrows everywhere! 😂

[@tyramir1119]

I remember a while back, when the Among Us lobbies were coming to an end, Hafu voicing she was just kind of bored with the game. And 5up then countering that she was only bored with the game because she'd hit her "ceiling", that she couldn't think of any new plays to do, so she'd exhausted her well of what to do in the game. And now, in modded Among Us, we're now seeing 5up hit his ceiling. Dude is only having fun when it's vanilla and he's playing against Minecrafters that aren't Scott.

[@timhoffman1169]

5up only has fun if he knows he can win.

[@6pades]

@@timhoffman1169 i mean 🙊🙊🙊

[@miizelle]

@@timhoffman1169im not sure anyone has fun playing games that aren’t winnable.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

18:08 Junk "I think it was Hafu that clicked on me" when it was actually Baycon that clicked his Engineer Ability with the Grey Arrow. Do you think with no coloured arrows, it becomes too weak? E.g. in this case, caused Junk to attribute the ability use to Hafu instead.

[@timhoffman1169]

I know a lot of comments are here for the Aurial debate, but can I just say I loved this game so much. It was really awesome watching DumbDog finally get an imposter win even when his partner guessed themself out. The feud in between Ovilee and Kara was so funny with the context that DumbDog was just framing the entire time. It was just a really satisfying and entertaining game to watch.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Wait there was a game in this video? 😆

[@KyouOneZilla]

I'm so happy Scot is back. His clips are the freaking best

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Also his clips are the most freaking DMCA’d with all the music he plays in the background 😂

[@KyouOneZilla]

@@AmongUsAcademy So true hahaha

[@bleachbleachBLEACHER]

Something else that's just occurred to me - you know what else the Aurial is? An absolutely fantastic role for Neutrals with vision to claim when they see an imposter venting around and want to get them thrown out.

[@breeeeeeee_]

For me, I agreed with Hafu and 5up (in the specific game where the Aurial role was questioned) when they said Dumbdog is just playing as an untrustworthy or unreliable crewmate. Like Dumbdog just accusing them and then saying, "I can't say why I think it's you or I'll die," would make me feel iffy about Dumbdog whether I am crew or not because you can't just accuse people then not explain that accusation, just doesn't seem fair and definitely does not make sense. Like, I get it, some people don't want to die or be guessed, but there comes a point where you either find a way to explain so you don't get guessed, which has been done before, Janet and Kara specifically are really good at doing that OR just 1 for 1 it, you know. Yes, Hafu and 5up were both bad, but I was watching, I think, Junk's pov or Aipha's, who were crew, and I disagreed with DD's play cause I was confused, if I was playing, I would've voted him just for withholding information, lol. But I don't see much of an issue with Aurial, I think if the arrows don't show color, then it's a fine role. p.s. this is my opinion. do not reply to me or comment if you're going to hate on any of the morning lobby players. it's all fun, remember that.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

I think you make good points. DumbDog did have some “Main character syndrome” in the way he played that game - make good deductions but relying on crew to “just trust me bro”. It was interesting watching DumbDog though, who I think played very well during the rounds and used the role to its max potential - and at least showed why it can be so strong a role - for that I’m grateful for kicking off this discussion

[@breeeeeeee_]

@ yes exactly, i agree with the “just trust me” explanation, being a bad or like i said unreliable play, it’s also something that’s been used before honestly. BUT rewatching that specific aurial game definitely made me realize that not every role is OP as some say, based on how DumbDog played Aurial vs how Junk played it in this vod, shows that this role and every roles usage is based on who has it you know. Which is always interesting to watch.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

3:56 - I don't think it's as easy as it sounds to narrow down Crew roles - other than Engineer and Transporter. Let's go through them a) Medic - doesn't count, people should use it later in the game as a once off. Morphling should learn to not sample within 10seconds so they don't lead to an immediate giveaway. b) Politician - sure if someone is "dousing movement" by late game, if they were the Good Politician, they should be outed. But it takes multiple rounds to get the 'campaigns' off. Moreover, it could also be the Tracker. c) Tracker - 5up thinks Tracker movement and Arsonist movement is vastly different. I disagree, both tend to go up to you briefly and move on. Or in both cases, make it less obvious that's what they are doing. If you're good enough to pick up someone is "dousing with crew movement" or "dousing with impostor movement" - then good on you, that's a skill benefit you get. Not an issue with Aurial imo. d) Imitator - could always be the ones copying Tracker as well. Could also copy engineer and Transporter to add extra chaos.

[@bazerger6258]

One way i think that the Aurial might be able to keep its colored arrows: Arrows are only colored when abilities are used inside your visual field, and they'll have the color that the player has when using it, so grey player=grey arrow. Dunno if a mod can detect that though. Also thought it could be handy if the arrows shrunk based on the distance, but i guess that would be true for all kinds of arrows. Would probably also conflict with the current shrinking when you run over them.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

I think that’s the setting now. You adjust the radius where the coloured arrows appear - and can shrink it to practically zero to have always grey arrows

[@MisterVercetti]

I can think of two things that could make the Aurial balanced: 1. Make the detection ability an active instead of a passive: you click "Sense", and for a few seconds you can see when and where every ability gets used, but only during that window. 2. You can only see the color when an ability is used directly on you, rather than in your immediate vicinity.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

2:22 I couldn't quite find the footage, but this clip would show the same thing that'd happen if DumbDog was trailing the swooper who then killed. - Investigator doesn't allow much counterplay at all, and I would argue is even more 'feel bad' than the Aurial. - but both can lead to a lot of feel bad moments.

[@MrEzioCraft360]

The thing with the medic round 1 is that I don't get the feeling the morning lobby plays for the optimal plays. Like with the medic, for example, it will just be given to who had a bad role last game, or to the person they screwed the most, not to who is less likely to be the imposter

[@AmongUsAcademy]

34:13 - Don't see many "Fake Amnesiac" claims in the lobby, people should use it more imo.

[@aleksandra5808]

Did 5up remove his comment? I don't see it. Anyway I definitely agree with him. Aurial is like having permanent amnesiac. It not only renders roles like undertaker useless, but also makes it impossible to win by killing two people in the endgame if someone with the role is still alive. Just the other day you uploaded the game where Aurial Hafu immediately found a body hidden in comms that would've otherwise taken more time to find, that didn't seem fun.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

5up’s comment is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZzCnZh5fM19rqc&lc=UgxwhL7K2yb_-89msqF4AaABAg&si=mFzDaupdQ8WOgi16 Agree with most your points, but don’t forget there’s also a “vicinity” to the Aurial ability. Eg if you’re in specimen, you don’t get notified about a kill at lights etc - so it won’t stop a second kill in the endgame unless people are clumping up - which they would do less with Vitals in Lab 😂

[@karaburnicle8223]

dumb dog thinking about killing and then it goes to smajor vibing to music and swooping was hysterical

[@AmongUsAcademy]

10:45 "Specimen" More like "Safe-ci-men" 😂

[@UnfortunateCritic4]

i think the problem with the aurial role is that when you have the colours show option i can understand it can be OP however when it's turned off and just shows grey arrows it just becomes a shitty version of tracker. I don't blame Junk for his confusion with the role, the arrows literally tell you nothing and everything at the same time. So as OP as the aurial might be with the colours, it needs that option to actually be of any use. I think the most balanced way to make aurial in a way that makes it both fair to the killers but also not useless to the aurial is if it showed colours of the players when an ability is used but it doesn't point to where it happened i.e maybe just get a dot appear consistently somewhere on the screen to tell you that 5up or Janet used an ability but it won't tell you where they are so you have to work out where they may be

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Interesting work around

[@Userkangjihoon23451]

It's not a shit version of Tracker lol. Aurial can sense any disturbance which Tracker couldn't do.

[@zavillion893]

I agree with 5up on the aurial thing, its very overpowered with colours on, and also investigators shouldnt see morphed people footsteps either imo

[@farhatkaboudi44]

The lobby has been using the role for weeks and nobody said it was overpowering till Dumbdog with his sweaty play used the role to its fullest for one game and 5up was salty af. How about the investigator role, it seems more unbalanced to me ..

[@zavillion893]

​@@farhatkaboudi44Investigator is very unbalanced, I agree with that, but 5up being "salty af" is completely understandable. He wss plaguebearer and he has to infect everyone and has no way of knowing who the aurial is, aurial is a literal nightmare for him and theres nothing he can do about it, 5up didnt do anything wrong that game but still lost

[@AmongUsAcademy]

I’m glad people are coming to see my point about investigator, which I think can lead to more “straight up unfun” moments like the flashbacks we see - vs the Aurial. Think both should have grey arrows/footsteps

[@zavillion893]

@@AmongUsAcademy I agree

[@_Angry_Potato_]

@@zavillion893 the problem with that logic, that 5up didn’t do anything wrong but got caught anyway, is that you can apply that to so many roles/situations. You can play perfectly as a bad role, but still get caught cause you jumped in a vent that the engineer just happened to be in, or a tracker just so happened to track you and actually paid attention to your locations or caught you when camouflaged, or a medic reports your kill and you’re the only light colour remaining. Or a sheriff kills you off of bad info. I could find something “unfair” about every single crew role. Imposters and neutrals should have crew roles that counter them, otherwise they can become way too overpowered. The reality is, most people who get aurial are not going to play it as sweaty as Dumbdog did, even DD himself in the future. And in that game, if baycon had actually used his role and tracked DD in specimen then he’d probably have still been really sus of him.

[@gzuzumaki2]

I think a great way to balance Investigator and Aurial would be to make the abilities "active" instead of passive. Give them a cooldown between each use, and it can be a "scanning" active ability; when used, the ability is active for 5-10 seconds at a time

[@gzuzumaki2]

I do agree with 5up tho that colors should be off. One solution to keep colors on might be to make the sensory range of Aurial much smaller, but I don't know if that would make things fair.

[@maverickmurphy]

The misclear on Scott in round 1 seriously threw off the investigation. And it was hilarious to see Kara and Ovilee fighting like cats when they're both good 🤣

[@Natty11100]

1 thing I kind of want to point out but idk if you mentioned it is, with auriel you dont have to do anything, with a lot of roles you have to put yourself in danger in order to get that info but with auriel and having colors, it makes it so you can act oblivious while everything is happening around you and you can just track it mentally

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Yeah I think Aurial you at least have to put “two and two together” - whereas Investigator wouldn’t require any extra steps to catch a Swooper/Morphling etc

[@lithiumclears]

I'm glad 5up spoke up about it because people were just infairly shitting on him and calling him salty. I love watching this channel and Dumbdog's vods but one thing I hate about both channels is that both comment sections hate 5up and Hafu so much. It's almost fucking 2025 and we're still watching Among Us. Just enjoy the gameplays and the trolling.

[@cherryroronoa]

Exactly, it’s never that serious and now 5up feels like he has to defend himself from these people coming for his throat even though they’ve known for years he’s very vocal abt things lol

[@popabogdan]

I feel like the real issue is that adding more roles with counters for bad roles really makes it so much more difficult to play an actual bad role in an enjoyable way.

[@jaytep5647]

8:20-8:27 But you can argue that the amnesiac arrow does the same thing as Aurial? The only difference is that the amnesiac has a delay before the arrow pops up and maybe that's okay because then it might be harder to judge whether those five people were actually clear or not. For the record though, I do agree with 5up, the Aurial role discourages killers from using abilities and sneaky plays which removes a lot of strategy.

[@eoln_]

7:33 their engineer have 1 fix, I think

[@AmongUsAcademy]

True. For some reason I thought Engineer had 2 fixes before, but of course it’s one. Eg the Steve game where he delayed fixed for Snitch Hafu 😂

[@AmongUsAcademy]

47:18 Janet "That's how you play arsonist, you don't "Arson" right away" - agree or disagree?

[@angrybirdstar]

i think Janet was in a very good position to win (i.e. no sus and no Imposter focus) because of her passive playstyle! she just needed to push DumbDog harder in the meeting on 5 imo, because she had enough info to know he was probably Imposter rather than Engineer/Imitator (near 5up and Junk kills) or Jester (wasn't inserting himself back into sus). she also didn't even need to bring up the venting because the Junk kill had to be between Kara, Ovilee, and DumbDog, as Aipha got Sheriffed, and after the Scott shot she would have just needed to defend Ovilee (who at worst was giving neutral killer rather than Imposter vibes, so no teammate accusations) and redirect onto DumbDog. arguably could have gone for the Miner shot also. re Arso playstyle, i think the logical conclusion is that you also don't max douse - you go for 2, play as crew to take out an Imposter and figure out their roles, save the last douse for an Imposter suspect or general late game kills, and ignite when it's too late to be stopped. makes it harder for people to remember interaction pools and find overlap, and easier to avoid revealing Arso presence. have advantage over Plaguebearer in terms of efficiency and more control over self-incrimination.

[@Abba_Fan]

That was a really fun game, both Janet and DD had a really good shot at winning

[@Eitinsky]

Aurial is only 1 person. This is game of lies. I think it's ok. Players just need to be familiar with it, then Aurial won't be OP for others. Neutral Roles can mess it up, like Executioner might disguise as Aurial in meeting, or jester, even killers might disguise as Aurial and drive chaos into the lobby. And at the end no one knows who's the Aurial, never trust them easily.

[@6pades]

FINALLY OMG JANET YES i’ve been waiting for someone to come to this conclusion about arsonist for foreverrr

[@oliwerbalejko]

This feels like such a hit to say someone is a quarter of a century old even tho it's just 25 Makes it feel like it's longer

[@KabbyTX]

How about we all stop doing the internet thing and let them play the game however they want to. No need for "one of us" tribalism settings different lobbies playing different settings is a good thing. And the countless comments about "they are dumb to have the opinion X because Y exists so buh buh buh" The right answer to "I don't like this" is "okay" not "oh so and so doesn't like X but he does like Y so he so dumb"

[@scriptea]

Re: Aurial/Investigator. Wish it were like Medic when they report a body and only says "dark/light," that is, the footsteps are dark/light. Totally agree that aurial shouldn't show any color ever, it's already a strong enough role.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Oh that’s an interesting compromise.

[@KyouOneZilla]

It's extremely weak without the color. Most of the information you collect with it is incomplete. Without color the only thing the arrow would actually be useful for is knowing timings and locations on Kills in niche situations, like when Hafu killed in Comms at the end of their previous game (the one that pissed off 5up). The thing is many people will make something out of that incomplete information and will often lead to them being entirely wrong. Like Junk fixating on Hafu this game but was completely wrong about her because she was sheriff and never used her ability.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

2:00 Investigator Footprint Settings - See TRUE PLAYER's COLOUR = ENABLED. - this is actually a setting that the Morning Lobby has, which can be changed as below: - "Anonymous Footprint" When enabled, all footprints are grey instead of the player's colors

[@nerdkour]

But if all footprints are grey, what's the use of investigator? Or is it grey during sabotage/morphling/swooper kill?

[@alfredricketts3791]

I love this open communication. In sum i think roles like that should just have the same color for footsteps and arrows , etc.

[@khalidfrancis6845]

Junk not knowing it was an Engi fix right after the round starts is peak comedy.

[@Da-Observer]

12:24 Lmaoooo the stats made it so funny

[@syesmyc]

maybe they could also give aurial a button to enable the ability for a couple of seconds and then cooldown where the ability is not active

[@AmongUsAcademy]

I prefer Investigator have a button for that instead. A cooldown on Aurial would have to be accompanied by Coloured arrows, otherwise trash tier role

[@tortillachips3911]

there were a lot of moments where i think crew couldve easily sussed the correct people, but no one seemed to notice (example: hafu finds dk's body in vitals by a mine. next round, skadj's pet is found at right side office. this suggests a potential double kill)

[@tristandent7086]

I found it interesting that Baycon/Valorant was able to use the Engineer Fix ability on two separate occasions as imitator

[@martianunlimited]

Other than Pesti, Arsonist, Politician, someone that keeps using their ability on crew could also be Tracker, or Detective (especially if it was the old detective that checks if they killed the previous round).. So there just because someone has been tagging others it doesn't really out themselves as a bad role.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Or trapper. They should try the “Trapper” role

[@MatchaJus]

The problem with that game is HOW Dumbdog played it. It was annoying to watch. Just follows every activated arrow and then sus them heavy until they slipped up, then vote. Rinse and repeat. It was not fun to watch.

[@KyouOneZilla]

I actually agree with this as the viewer. Particularly in the meetings with all the "I can't say why because then I'll die, but I have role information" stuff going in that game. Because it's so vague and pretty much anyone can say that any game and all it does is muddy up the meetings.

[@Philggernaut]

I still think they should play aurial as intended and see if it clearly produces a consistent win rate for crew. So far, I've only seen one game where it seemed to be the main contribution to getting someone voted. This game right here is a perfect example of how the information is not perfect. It's a role that takes skill to utilize, and Junk clearly has not developed it yet. Even if Kara was investigator, that information would not have been perfect, and even her actual tracker information isn't perfect. I think a bigger concern is how many 'tracking' roles are in play. If there was an investigator, tracker, and aurial, then you have three crew that can all vouch for each other's information, and that seems bad.

[@Smile-ov1us]

You mention 5up should try to change things as if he has power. He doesn't really. He's tried to make changes before, but most of the players in the morning lobby, including hafu and dumbdog, don't seem too keen on change.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

He literally instituted the settings change to nerf Aurial though

[@blahthebiste7924]

@@AmongUsAcademy No? Dumbdog was already considering changing it, and probably would have within a game or 2 without 5up's input, after seeing how strong it was for himself.

[@ryanchapman3995]

I think the Auriel would be a great role if it were an imposter role. It would make guessing people in the meetings much more fun. Dodgers.

[@blahthebiste7924]

100%

[@jakemichal1220]

I didnt know sheriff couldn't kill someone in a vent, that makes a lot of sense actually

[@dstreoski5067]

Wait, did I see that right? When imitator takes engineer for multiple rounds the Fix refreshes? That's actually pretty powerful...Also love the narrative that when Aipha clears someone they're probably imposter.

[@CuteBenji]

Is parallel medbay scan were multiple people scan at the same time ?

[@divyasyam15]

Yes that’s right

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Ironically I talk about it next game, where Aipha clears 2 other people because of it!

[@cl0udy409]

Maybe they can fade the arrows and footsteps after 1 to 2 secs to make it harder for crew to finish tasks if they want to pay attention to their abilities. The abilities are op so having it fade quickly would be funny because like me I cant remember that many colors quickly. I would just remember someone is in that area.

[@yuriys5642]

Just add delay to Aurial like they did to tracker and amnesiac of like 6 seconds

[@UnfortunateCritic4]

or remove the arrows and replace it with just a colour indicator that a player used an ability but you don't know where that player's location is unless u passed them

[@cheevocabra]

Ovilee accidentally confirmed that she was not lying when she said she was Amne, because after Scott killed himself by guessing a role she said that he guessed Kara incorrectly, giving away that she knew she would be dead if they guessed her role.

[@nerdkour]

can aurial detect if someone uses vents?

[@zavillion893]

Yes they can, also when people kill, which is kind of overpowered

[@KyouOneZilla]

@@zavillion893 Yeah I do agree on the Kill thing. I think it showing vents is fine because there are already a few roles that can tell someone used a vent already.

[@Rolyatack]

I see some of the points 5up makes, but also aren't there other roles with usable abilities that throw a wrench into the mix? like detective that has to click on people, and an amnesiac could also appear to have killed the body by taking their role, jester venting, sheriff killing

[@461weavile]

What if auriel showed how far away from you instead of who did it? If its within vision, show the gray arrow, if its outside vision, draw a gray spacesuit in the darkness where the ability was used. You could even do a timer on it, like count to 5 seconds before the location vanishes.

[@wwldrd]

ooowee here before there's even 1,000 views, i feel special 😂

[@MNMfirec14]

wrt to engineer, are you sure you can see engi fixes/vents as Aurial? I thought you only get an arrow if an ability is used *on someone* not any ability.

[@zavillion893]

No yeah its literally any ability, including vents and kills, which is kinda op

[@AmongUsAcademy]

18:06 you can see how Engi fix (Baycon) 17:44 shows up for the Aurial (Junk)

[@MNMfirec14]

@@AmongUsAcademy awesome thanks for the clarification

[@net_lag]

30:25 now that's comedy feat. 5up

[@parttimesaint3165]

If they have fewer tasks, there would be less of a reason to just hang back and not do any tasks. If a player with a strong role just goes full investigator mode, it will be a powerful role. If they are doing their tasks, they won't notice as much. Imagine if Dumbdog did no tasks and the rest were done, he'd be shamed to finish his tasks. And if they lost because of Dumbdog's refusal to do tasks, the whole dynamic changes. Right now, they're not playing "do tasks to win" and that's a shame. There is honestly no reason to complete all tasks for most crew. They can just try to catch the killers. It's as bad as having everyone walk in groups of 3 wherever they go.

[@6pades]

GIRLS GET IT TWISTED GIRLS GET IT TWISTED

[@MisterEEEE]

Don't one of the mods have the ability to leave crew with power alive in final meeting like mayor, swapper, prosecutor or stuff like that?? Morning lobby doesn't use that setting??

[@Milenakos]

wow thats a lot of self comments

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Wow indeed! 😅

[@Abba_Fan]

So Imitator can use engineer fix Multiple times, thats way better than the actual engineer lmao

[@infernal..]

46:32 oooh his voice so deep

[@kiratw6578]

I wonder what would happen if Janet said she knew it was DD w/o going into details. I mean, DD would freak out but wouldn't really be able to tell what she was. If he didn't see her when he vented he wouldn't even know she had vision. I'm pointing it out just for curiosity purposes, I did feel bad for Janet and loved to see Oville vs Kara hahaha

[@Funtime2UwU]

Here's a unique (probably worthless) opinion: Tasks should count for the Aurial. Might have bad implications around hard clears in medscan or someone faking tasks

[@tortillachips3911]

I keep wondering why DD doesnt call Comms after he gets annoyed at the cams being on

[@michaelclarkj]

I think when DumbDog was saying he thought Ovilee and Kara were telling the truth, Janet needed to hard push on DumbDog. She knows he’s lying so keep prodding him. Bring up that he could have vented up to cams as Miner. Scott was bad and they were vouching for each other on the vitals kill. If she vocally indicated that he was getting her vote he might have been voted out. And then I think that her Arson win is pretty secure.

[@CuteBenji]

Would aurial be more balanced if it could only see colored arrows if they interact with you

[@poppyseed799]

Idk about that, if you get blackmailed you’d know the blackmailer for SURE as long as nobody else interacted with you (which is different from being near you, so it wouldn’t matter that the blackmailer makes sure you’ve been around other people as well)

[@CuteBenji]

@poppyseed799 yeah it's a hard role to balance could have a delay like amnisieac arrow does

[@Faenval]

29:19 Janet singing APT

[@pdpgb]

Why don't they just add that detective role back? It's a crew role that keeps constantly checking people. Maybe you just need more roles that can interact with other players. And then just turn the killing arrows off so Aurial only works on abilities. Pesti and Arso just have to be more careful. Like infect 2 people and hope they spread it to the rest of the lobby through detective/transporter etc.

[@willanrac]

I really think if you want to have investiagator tell you more than just seeing foot steps show them as white or black to correspond to light or dark colors. and I wish they would get rid of vigelante and alllow the medic to SEE who they shielded.

[@giniku9521]

You can get unlimited fixes? Baycon fixed two sabotages with imitator

[@noturtsukuyomi]

maybe there could be a delay for aurial? not sure 🤔 but i still like to see them try new roles here and there :)) but as janet said before, we need to think of the smaller brains in the lobby 💚😭 bless junk i love him

[@user-km5gr9pr8h]

Help, what’s the difference between imitator and amnesiac?

[@versuzzero5335]

Oh, so Aurial is just unpolished right now. Killer kills and vents should really not be detected by aurial, but sheriff kills and engineer venting should be detected. Because killing and venting for killers should be the equivalent of tasks for crewmates. . That might be the biggest problem with the current aurial.

[@liomost]

great

[@titoburrito2236]

can someone pls explain politician to me? i googled it and can't find an answer anywhere

[@khalidfrancis6845]

I mean...i understand what he means, but this isnt why he was caught in the round where he immediately starts his rant. If he had "more confidence", he would have shot dumbdog in the meeting instead of waiting 2 to 3 meetings to not defend himself well and say "im voting dumbdog". There are a plethora of crew roles that interact with ppl and muddies up Aurial info. AND it took Dumbdog several tries...AND several meetings to even get it right. There are plenty smart ppl with bird like attention span in the group. Say executioner play and move on. Or just call comms.

[@khalidfrancis6845]

Does Aurial work on the kill button? I know it'll see Juggernauts and maybe Sheriffs, but regular impostors? I don't think so. 🤔

[@layabstar]

grey arrows are extremely useless imo, whether u think colored arrows are op or not I wouldn't say the role is any fun or any use without them

[@stevsh89]

What happened to your old videos?

[@danielbishop4665]

When it comes to frame jobs and gaslighting, this game is probably the best game since the infamous Toast and Scissors (I think that's his names )

[@zeasv2826]

So aurial shows interactions. Okay, why doesn't it show when crew mates do tasks? Thats makes the same amount of sense as showing venting/killing imo. Idk it's an odd role that only a few ppl can/will use effectively.

[@KyouOneZilla]

This game is what 4 years old, probably older? If the players don't get new things and have to adapt to new things then it is always just the same thing over and over again. Which is one of the few weaknesses with the morning lobby since they rarely change settings or (understandably) maps. The variety inevitably comes in the form of new different players added over time. I understand what 5up is saying about Aurial increasing the chance of getting caught doing his "sneaky" kills, but getting caught by things outside of your control happens all the time with modded roles. I do very much agree that the Aurial should not get an arrow for the "KILL" button though, only role abilities. Honestly though, my biggest issue was that he put out the ultimatum which is an extremely negative and manipulative tactic for everyone involved. Didn't even want to try different settings or giving it some time to learn the role or try new strategies. I watch the morning lobby for a multitude of the morning lobby players, I'm not there to just follow 1 specific player. If he really refused to play modded because of 1 role, I'd still go to his channel and watch his vanilla games, but I like the fact that the morning lobby is modded.

[@KyouOneZilla]

And again, if the roles aren't powerful, you might as well play vanilla. Aurial is not the default most powerful role, it does get more powerful the more the player thinks about what is happening around them though. So end game it is very strong, but it really comes down to the player, how much info they collect, and how they use that information. Which as a viewer is EXTREMELY interesting to watch. Luckily the mods do get updated on a fairly regular basis so more settings can be added to Aurial. With "no arrow for KILLS" hopefully being the first one added. If that setting can't be added for whatever reason, maybe they should look into adding a 2nd neutral killer to the lobby. Another good setting to add to Aurial, if possible, is that you don't get the arrow if you are on a task.

[@KyouOneZilla]

I think one of the reasons I'm so vocal about this issue is I've watched other people's viewpoints of Aurial and it has been hit or miss on how effective it is. It's usually an overload of incomplete information and it takes effort for them to sift through it, and even after thinking over what they're seeing it's a high probability they are just completely wrong. And from what I've seen, without the color arrow the role is extremely weak. I still think it would work best with the color arrow, but only in the players short crew vision (especially if they make it so you don't get arrows while on tasks). The regular range for the non-color arrow should be shortened a little from what it is now. The information collected from those really far away arrows are pretty worthless most of the time. Also sometimes roles just have bad matchups, just look at Undertaker and Amnesiac, how often do we see them get caught dragging a body to a hidden location. At least you can control how far the color arrow is and it still takes critical thinking by the Aurial

[@michaelalbert4]

It's FAIR 💯 It's like blood for blood.. If there was no color, they would have the upside, to the point where it's almost impossible.. It should be common to be FAIR, where there is no downside. It should be possible and likely for all players.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Can you clarify your comment?