What has changed on the London Overground?

[@nadeemkoomalsingh5920]

Yoooooo, love the new animation at the beginning😊😊

[@networknathan]

Thanks! 😁

[@eannamcnamara9338]

I really like weaver, mildmay and Windrush as names. The other 3 are whatever. Lionesse is named after a sports team which I think is a bit shortsighted. Liberty line feels a bit over the top for a little shuttle. Suffragette doesn't particularly role off the tongue, pankhurst would have accomplished the same thing while sounding better IMO (also it would avoid suffragette inevitably getting shortened to suffer) Also, wow what a shot at 6:01! Beautiful!

[@Peter-mj6lz]

Pankhurst somehow sounds funny to me

[@mikehiggins4079]

Thw concept of naming the different branches of the Overground is good. The trick tfl missed was the colouring of each line. The gap between the line colours should be orange.not white. A blue, orange, blue or green, orange, green This will keep some continuity/identity to the Overground. Most of the rolling stock had orange doors and orange grab poles & moquette in the carriages. The Overground roundel and station signage is orange

[@justefe]

@@mikehiggins4079 the northern line has blue seats and blue poles that makes it feel like the Piccadilly line!

[@JanoJ]

@mikehiggins4079 As a person who does the occasional graphic design, I say that would be a bad idea, especially for those with poor eyesight, where the two colours may "blend" together to create a different colour. In fact you may not need to have poor eyesigh, just suffifiently far enough, or even inhebrieted with alohol, tired, etc so you eyes dont fully focus to have two different colors "blend" together. Think about the screen you are viewing this comment on. it is in fact made of stripes or dots of Red green and blue pixels glowing at different strengths, but the size of the pixels and the distance you are viewing from blends the three primariess to a different colour. go close enough, and you may see it (especially on a large 1080p screen, or older CRT TV)

[@JOY-ONE-24]

It will just look ugly.

[@robwhitton4830]

I like the Windrush line, it feels appropriate. I am less keen on the Lioness line as it relates to something that happened relatively recently.

[@teammeteamus.8315]

I can’t imagine how the people affected by the Windrush scandal must feel. No compensation, but a statue and a train line named after them… it leaves a sour note for me. They deserve better.

[@archiebald4717]

Utter nonsense!

[@maxbryson9419]

Glad you are back making videos, really enjoy your stuff.

[@josephj9828]

Yes, glad you're back doing full videos!

[@stephenlarking2247]

Nice to see you back. Personally I really liked your suggestion but as a railway enthusiast I am always going to favour names associated with their development!

[@Sim0nTrains]

The sketch was awesome, was on TFL website yesterday but and seeing the Overground Lines separate, and it made it better to see, the names im.not a fan off but will take time to get used to them, great video

[@Worldwithoutboarders]

Good on these information video. I love to see you make videos on HSR around the world.

[@DavidShepheard]

Thanks for making this video. I've traveled on some of what became London Overground before it was London Overground. I enjoyed the improved investment that the East London Line, North London Line and West London Line got. But I was sad to see the lines get their individual identities erased. When they spoke about splitting up London Overground into brands, I was hoping that the old names would be used, so that some Londoners would already know those names. If the Goblin Line became official and the Harlequin Line reverted to that name, brand recognition would be built in. A certain number of passengers would just "know where to go" and the number of folks standing around staring at maps and causing a block to passenger flow would be reduced. However, we got what we got and people will eventually get used to it. Nobody cares about the Jubilee Line being two years late now. Nobody cares that Crossrail was late now. And it won't be too long that nobody (other than rail nerds) cares that these lines used to be orange...and that before that they were run down British Rail lines that were neglected. In the future more commuter lines in London will be taken away from profit-making Train Operating Companies and handed over to London Overground, and this new scheme will expand.

[@karjenjrtm7411]

Nice to see you back !!!

[@FernandsLiveShowShow]

Great video! Seeing all the signage has just made me realise just how huge the signage effort must have been! Every line diagram sign, iterated for each station and its corresponding directions, plus corresponding wayfinding at each of the 113 Overground stations - AND for where each station shares different lines like Willesden Junction and a few others... corrr. Pretty slick how the new signs were installed with temporary 'old' signs, likely for the smoothest implementation onto the network (looking at you National Rail & Rail Alphabet 2 👀)

[@Group51]

Was lovely to finally see you on the lines last week and you're so tall!

[@pleappleappleap]

The Suffragette Line, huh? What was wrong with calling it the Goblin?

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

While the Suffragette line is certainly not the best name, the goblin line would have sounded really out of place compared to the other names

[@TheHoveHeretic]

​@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710Do you not think the Bakerloo, as a portmanteau of Baker Street & Waterloo, is likewise 'out of place'? I'm a wee bit sorry to see the Goblin line moniker go, given it came about organically, but hey-ho.

[@GWJUK]

People quick to forget the suffragettes were terrorists.

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

@TheHoveHeretic the Bakerloo line was named on its own over 100 years ago. There are a lot of names from back then I would change had they not become so popular. Plus "the goblin line" doesn't even make sense since the "lin" already means line

[@user-jw3ke1ve2v]

@@TheHoveHeretic dont forget it extended to barking riverside

[@rikufryderyk]

Loved the sketch!

[@anthonykdramanu9158]

Oh dude your killing it!

[@lochiepeake34]

the new intro graphic is so cool!

[@RailTransportVideos]

0:59 what is the point of the little switch track that leads to nowhere? It’s in front of the train and is very short

[@QwertyScream]

I think it’s there so that if the signal is red, it will derail the train

[@RailTransportVideos]

@ oh alright thank you

[@robertsmith3330]

Excellent. Of course. I do hope there will be more soon. I can't get along with the Shorts format.

[@Trainbrat]

Love your energy mate could we like get a pint if I ever travel to UK? Love from Sweden🙌

[@thegreypenguin5097]

9:10 they probs will get changed given that the 345s got new announcements earlier this year changing from "train to reading" to "Elizabeth line service to Reading"

[@highpath4776]

The WimbledonEdgware of the District should be the Wombling Free line to complement Underground and Overground

[@alexandrel8758]

They need to update the maps in the underground. For example on the Victoria line there are still changes to Overground at Euston, Walthamstow, Highbury

[@Smart1529]

Don't forget Seven Sisters

[@TrainLifeGB]

So whats your thought on each overground name network nethan? Are they alright or are the old ones better?

[@DonaldTrumpIsGreat]

Yes The London Overground Lines Have Changed Also Good To See You Back On KZbin 👍

[@marthaanderson2656]

As a tourist visitor to London I have always been confused by Overground and Thameslink. This new re-coloring and naming brings a whole lot of clarity. It opens possibility for transportation and options for hotel locations. I do agree with you (and with others) that the chance to honor Brunel was missed

[@GWJUK]

Brunel wasn’t woke enough I’m afraid, a terrible shame indeed.

[@azuma892]

I like your presentation style, this is probably the best video covering the changes on KZbin, Geoff Marshall decided you have to pay for his Overground video! I really don't like some of the names, especially the Lioness Line. Naming transport lines after sports events is just weird.

[@medogunes3240]

They should next give names to the DLR lines.

[@QwertyScream]

I honestly think letters would be best for the DLR

[@TheHoveHeretic]

​@@QwertyScreamS'pose it's different being automated, so yes ... that makes sense

[@lazrseagull54]

And regular route numbers for every individual rail service in the city, to end this confusion between lines and "branches".

[@lazrseagull54]

I don't get why the all the other suburban rail lines, especially the Elizabeth line aren't part of London Overground yet.

[@___-000]

Because the Elizabeth line is completely different to the Overground.

[@lazrseagull54]

@___-000 in what sense though? The Elizabeth line services go through a tunnel under the city centre and the other lines orbit the city centre? Why is that enough to consider them seperate networks? In Berlin, the S41/S42, S45 and S46 orbit the city centre just like the Overground, while the S1, S2 and S25 go through a tunnel under the city centre just like the Elizabeth line, yet they're all considered lines of the S Bahn. This is the case in most cities. Things like the tube and DLR are always labelled as U Bahn in German cities or metro in other countries, whether driverless, in tunnels or elevated and things like the Overground and Elizabeth line are always labelled the S Bahn in German cities, Cercanias in Spanish cities or S train in many other countries. It's rare to list different parts of the same city's suburban network as seperate networks so I wonder why London has chosen to do it like that.

[@___-000]

@lazrseagull54 It does not matter what they are labelled as in other countries. In London, they are two completely different network styles. Overground: Radial or orbital regular stopping mix of suburban/urban lines in London and surrounding counties Elizabeth Line: Fast express services that bring people from surrounding country's and urban areas in the outskirts of London to/through the city centre.

[@lazrseagull54]

@___-000 Well it matters to me or I wouldn't have asked 😂. Thanks for answering. The tube also has fast express services bringing in people from other counties in the form of the metropolitan line without branding it seperately from the other fully urban lines with a more local stopping pattern, although there was a time when it was like that before they were all branded "underground". I reckon something like that will happen for the suburban rail network one day as well and I think "Overground" would be the appropriate name. TFL were planning to take over most of the urban lines in the London area and I've seen maps from a decade ago, showing almost all lines branded as "Overground" in orange except for crossrail being the only part of the map in purple. I did assume after the takeover, each line would get its own colour which has now happened for the lines that TFL runs. The current setup just seems a bit of a convoluted and inconsistent way to brand a city's rail services. We don't call the M1 a "motorway" but the M25 a "fastlink" or something else just because it's orbital.

[@jack19791979]

thanks for posting, great video

[@andrewwoodgate3769]

Makes a change from having transport lines named after random 'monarchs'

[@justefe]

@@andrewwoodgate3769 THANK YOU! imagine if they had called them Andrew line, George line, William line, Kate line 🤣🤣

[@Sigebriht]

What took them so long to get round to making this obvious improvement? It occurred to me a good many years ago.

[@cannadineboxill-harris2983]

I needed to know why they couldn’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for most of the mainline Trains so that they could extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock which will include the class 507, class 508, class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign all of them into an overhead wire line trains and also make most of them into Five carriages per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N113, Gardner 6LXC, Leyland 680, Volvo D10M, Gardner 6LXCT, Leyland 510, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Cummins M11 and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 6 Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 10 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 507, class 508, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into 10 carriages per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers? A Stock Train and Seven Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it even much more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 10 carriages per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 10 carriages per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Bakerloo Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Bakerloo Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 106, 105, and 117, will be replaced by all of the Gardner 6LXCT, Scania N113, Gardner 6LXC, Volvo D10M, Leyland 680, Leyland 510, Cummins M11, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Bakerloo line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1972 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 76 km/hours (46 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 7 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Bakerloo train stations to make more space for all of the extended 7 car per unit 1972 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 57 Octagon and Every 88 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.14 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 127MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 127MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 14 Carriages Per units, can they use those Deltic class 40’s Deltic class 44’s, Deltic class 46’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 16 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those 17 Tonne Boxes of Coal for all of those 127MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!!!!!!! So please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!!!!!!!!!! And PLEASE do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.

[@mynameisnobody5295]

You have Dwayne Dibbley on your channel.

[@alfredlamowen]

Hopefully the changes get added to Google Maps soon!

[@Ashley_London]

My guy 👍🏾

[@Andrewjg_89]

It is so nice to see you back on KZbin. I have no problem with the renaming of the 6 London Overground lines and the new colour scheme that is slowly being introduced on the tube map. Alstom who built the Class 710s could perhaps manufacture few more Class 710s. Including few extra Class 710/1s so that TfL can run 8-Car (2x 4-Car) on the Weaver Line (Liverpool St-Chingford, Enfield Town and Cheshunt at peak times.

[@networknathan]

Thanks Andrew, and I agree - I think more trains are needed !

[@Andrewjg_89]

⁠Indeed 😊

[@antigod8385]

@@networknathananything but more 710s please 💀 they're my locals and no one i know likes them, they're awful and need to get off the lea valley immediately, they're unreliable, poorly built, uncomfortable, rough riding, innapropriate seating layout for most of the routes they operate, and are constantly overcrowded and always short formed because of units breaking down constantly - they somehow have more overcrowding issues than the units that came before them to the point where on multiple occasions i have been unable to board the train due the train being so crowded - never even came close to this issue with the 315s and 317s so yeah make more 378s by all means but please for thr love of god no more 710s 💀

[@Andrewjg_89]

@@antigod8385 I take it you don't like the Class 710s. Fair enough.

[@bfapple]

@@Andrewjg_89 No need for more trains in East Anglia. There is already a surplus of Class 720s.

[@luxford60]

I can't help feeling that the Weaver Line should be two separate lines as they are mostly physically separate.

[@networknathan]

I kinda agree

[@justefe]

Thank you for your positive coverage about the changes. I know it difficult to accept change judging by some comments I’ve read. Previous generations were not consulted when names of lines on underground came about. We just get used to the current changes over time. They are here to stay.

[@physiocrat7143]

Mildmay is the only name referring to an actual place. Goblin has been around since the route was reopened. "North London" has always been called that. The lines north of Liverpool were long known as the Jazz. It makes one wonder what they were thinking of?

[@justefe]

@ when have we the people had a say in anything tfl did! Especially the locals of that area? I don’t recall seeing anything in the post to people of the windrush generation that a line would be named in their honour. I’m just happy I don’t have to get updates of the whole network just the ones that are local to me.

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

Just because you weren't personally consulted doesn't mean that no one was. ​@@justefe

[@justefe]

@ my point still counts. After consultations they decided on these names and some people are upset about the name choices.

[@justefe]

Maybe that the reason why most of Europe and America just use numbers and letters for their metro/subway lines so no one would scream Woke! 😀

[@XIDEOS649]

Willesden Junction used to be SO CONFUSING 😭😭😭😭 👇🏾

[@jermainelong1843]

I wonder if there will be any (virtue) signalling upgrades. No hate. Great channel but I question the ideological nature of many policy choices nowadays.

[@eastlancsesteem]

Those names 😂

[@physiocrat7143]

I can't see these names sticking. They are not related to place names and would be hard to remember. It would have been better to have a competition.

[@TheHoveHeretic]

Before Boaty McBoatface I'd have agreed with the competition. Now, I shudder to think what might've transpired!

[@Sam-uo8ki]

I find the Victoria line very challenging for this exact reason! And metro line 14 in Paris!!

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

Like half of the tube names have little to no geographic meaning, but they've still stuck around for decades

[@physiocrat7143]

@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 What are you talking about? The only offenders are the Jubilee and Elizabeth Lines; the latter was a mistake and should have kept the name "Crossrail". Bakerloo was an obvious shortening invented by a journalist. All the other names tell you where the lines go, or originally went. Some of the overground routes already have long established names; the line through Highbury and Hampstead Heath has always been referred to as the North London. The lines out of Liverpool Street were the Jazz, which falls off the tongue easily and would have been a sensible revival. The existing routes don't altogether make sense anyway, especially terminating at Highbury & Islington, which could usefully continue at least to Willesden Junction where platform 2 appears to be a terminal. The Dalston east curve also needs to be put back if this is still possible. Stupid exercise in wokery.

[@physiocrat7143]

@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 Only the Jubilee and Elizabeth Lines are not geographical.

[@MikePlaysRoblox123]

Personally, I just think that this was a waste of money and they could've used it for something better. It was kinda a good choice to update the overground line names but what I and most ppl dont like is the NAMES of the lines. The new train lines are nothing related to do with places on the train line. Also why couldn't tfl just stick to the original names. As a result, it still makes it confusing. IT EVEN SOUNDS SO WRONG WHEN YOU SAY THEM.

[@ccjelley2390]

people laugh at me because I always called Cheshunt Chess Hunt. Guess I was ahead of the Overground, sorry Weaver curve.

[@alexmckenna1171]

Line A, Line B, Line C, etc. That would have been better..

[@archiebald4717]

Ridiculous names!

[@Anonymoususer_8823]

I do think that renaming the 6 London Overground lines is going to confuse a lot of commuters and some of the commuters and train enthusiasts are not happy with what has happened. But you will always going to get people who will judge on anything that TfL has done to the London Overground.

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

I am genuinely curious how you think this will confuse commuters. Surely it won't make a difference as commuters would already know the line?

[@TheHoveHeretic]

Disagree. The Overground was not so long ago a collection of disparate lines, the only commonality being they had all suffered from decades of underinvestment. Services are now part of a distinct network and developments refelct that.

[@Anonymoususer_8823]

Perhaps you are right. I’m just being selfish that’s all. 😂

[@SWRural-fk2ub]

You speak too quickly and I can't follow your estuary accent when it's so quickly spoken. The subtitle program didn't (couldn't) help either, sadly. Try speaking slower please.

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

He definately does not speak too fast, but if you have a problem just play the video at a slower speed

[@TrainTRAMLover37_yt]

Great video, but, I just think the line-name changes was a TERRIBLE IDEA. Oh, and I mean TERRIBLE

[@MPDTransport]

I love the new names

[@offical_jamierubberfan]

its honestly so woke. not meaning to sound mean to anyone here but you can see what they've done. 2 for women, 1 for black people, one for gay people, one for jewish people and one for anyone else. i'm all for everyone being equal but it is so forced. the ones i dont mind are liberty and weaver because they actually sound good. windrush is alright but its not great. suffragette is probably the worst it sounds horrible. lioness sounds bad and also i dont think anyone cares about whatever they won, especially they wont in a few years. it just feels weird saying lioness as well as it seems like an inferior thing. finally mildmay. it sounds fine, but morally for me i have a problem with it so there we go. the colours are the only good thing that came out of this

[@TheHoveHeretic]

Oh for pity's sake ....

[@GWJUK]

@@TheHoveHereticanother far left fan who doesn’t allow different opinions?

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

A. That's not what those names are for B. Just say that you're sexist and move on

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

​@@GWJUKand now you're just being hypocritical

[@GWJUK]

@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 can’t say anything without a wokey chucking out insults they’ve been programmed to parrot

[@Rob-md6ml]

Another notch up for the woke agenda.

[@BCrossing]

Utter woke nonsense! Name them geographically.

[@damiagunbiade]

Guess what they aren't. They have names and that's how it is. You realise they won't change it now.