What He Said Will Suprise YOU! | Atheist vs Muslims

Watch this heated debate between an atheist and Muslims at Speakers Corner. What he said will surprise you! Tune in for a lively discussion on religion and belief systems.
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[@tommymarsh9257]

I love the guys at EF Dawah. Thank you for all you do!

[@odeebob7826]

There is no atheist on sinking ship as mentioned in the Quran - ( " When they board a ship, they supplicate Allah, sincere to Him in religion. But when He delivers them to the land, at once they associate others with Him " 29:65 )

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

That simply is FALSE.

[@iiddrrii6051]

@@Theo_Skeptomai It's False. I've personally drowned and didn't turn into a believer.

[@rasimidrizi8483]

The verse speaks about those who associate partners with God, so when some calamity hits them they forget other intermediators and they direct their prayer directly to God as the verse says "..sincerely to Him..", as for those who don't believe it might happen and it might not happen, but regarding them there is another verse that says: 6:111. And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it] and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allāh should will. But most of them, [of that], are ignorant.

[@iiddrrii6051]

@@rasimidrizi8483 I've heard the dawah brother himself assert that "there are no atheists in foxholes or crashing planes" The second part seems illogical and childish to me. If the Quran is true and we grant that there are some people who wont believe even if angels and the dead literally spoke; then why does God hide? Because there are many people, myself included, who would believe our eyes if angels and the dead spoke. It's like the Quran likes to talk a big talk, but is impotent to backs it up with action.

[@rasimidrizi8483]

@@iiddrrii6051 That is what Allah decreed oh children of Adam, believing in Him without seeing Him, hence the saying of Allah when we enter Paradise: this is the reward for those who believed in Me without seeing me, animals believe with seeing we have more intellect than them, so it befits to us to come to a conclusion that there is someone that brought into being everything around us and That someone wouldn't create anything just for fun..! everything has a purpose, the greatest was given to human beings which they accepted by themself which serving God, 'coz He knows the best for us, we've given rights to everyone but when it comes to the one that has rights upon you, you ignore, and you go further and deny, you said I would believe if angels were shown to me, then believe me there will not going to be "oh ok, now I see" the regret and punishment will start..!

[@sutil5078]

9:29 Abbas is very gentle and one of the best, but I think it is better to avoid laughters that much.. I am sure he is so kind if he review the video he may realize it.. Imagine if he is the one who is laughing with another friend at the muslim? Love our faith it teaches us fairness. May Allah grant Abbas mercy, love, more light in the dawah and Jannah and Jordan, and all of us amin

[@someoneIikedyourcomment]

laugh with him, NOT laugh at him

[@fahad055]

Jazakom Allah khair brother Abbas and Jordan .

[@ahmedalzubaidi4548]

بارك الله فيكم

[@MrAnothaBrotha]

When I heard bro Abbas mentioning the translations being one of the things the donations are used for I asked myself sth. like „why spending money for stuff KZbin already has a built in and automatically generated solution for?“ ….. after watching the first German vid I have to admit: „the translator did an absolutely excellent job!“ As I am already writing I’d like to mention that another question crossed my mind^^ is the reason for not using a recorded voice in the translated videos because it would be more expensive to produce, because of the odd optics when the voice over isn’t in sync with the mouthes or is there a completely other reason? Best wishes from Germany and for all the great work جَزَاكَ ٱللَّٰهُ خَيْرًا السلام عليكم

[@ALzzanam]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@ahmadb5920]

For all the people watching, please like these videos more so that they show up to more people and inshallah you may have a reward in spreading the message and these arguments.

[@feredoonnasratzada6428]

Mohammad Ali from Muslim Lantern is needed here.

[@samias.8498]

But this man is too impatient. He wouldn’t allow Mohamed to explain anything.

[@skutniasni]

14:25 Quite interesting that the atheist mentioned Karl Popper because it made me consider how Popper's emphasis on testing scientific theories for validity resonates with a similar challenge posed by the Quran regarding its own authenticity. Popper's criterion of falsifiability and the Quran's call for coherence serve as tools to evaluate the reliability of claims, whether in the realm of science or religion. "And if you are in doubt about what We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a surah like it and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful." Surah Al-Baqarah (2:23)

[@merelydave]

I think it's time I visit the park and have a laugh

[@IamJustAli]

Make sure to laugh at Dawah goons and their imaginary deity.

[@chinesecovidanalswabs4752]

@IamJustAli when insults and mockery is all you have I think it's fair to say you have no intellectual replies. But don't worry when the internet is gone everything you've ever know is gone, all the mockery and laugher is gone and death grips you then you will know whether this "imagery god" is real or not. God luck and in the mean time enjoy this world and indulge.

[@CheeseCheese-ip5cr]

​@@IamJustAli how are they imaginary?

[@irfanahmed6411]

Dear brothers Allah bless you are doing great work on this planet and we love you

[@IamJustAli]

Real mature Muslim men laughing during a decent discussion. Wow! And yet they expect us Atheists to take them seriously.

[@lefty29uns]

Great two Muslim brothers who are beautiful in there Mannerisms alhamdulilla ☝🏽🤲🏽🇵🇸✨️

[@Onetycc]

سبحان الله، يوم قال عن ان الرجل بعد قطعها تنموا من الممكن اني افكر في وجود الخالق حتى هذا الشي ما اقنعه. ذكرني باصحاب المائده

[@Chiefdomain]

Some people are just lonely and need other human interactions even if they have no points at all.. Love bro Abass

[@Noah-ol2of]

Good one

[@mohammedzahid1990]

Alhamdulillah

[@nizamknight]

i could never, this man did not come to have a discussion he came to argue

[@lefty29uns]

Islam = faith with proof 💯 percent ☝🏽🤲🏽🇵🇸✨️

[@mohammadjangda2253]

Arrogance makes a fool out of a person , the person thinking to be an intelligent individual. Bragging ur own-self is the most foolish thing ie beating ur own drums. This person assuming things not knowing the basics or not even an idea about Quran. Quran called a living miracle. Hearing this a real intellectual thinks/ ponder before making a comment, especially ensuring to at least understand it as to y it is called a living miracle and then go and study it as to understand what it states.

[@ranoomsh1464]

❤❤❤

[@jiahazahar6607]

Abbas is playing too much, plus his laugh is contagious. I laugh too much

[@doubleshot9535]

Abbas’s laughter is contagious 😂

[@hasanalaib]

And [even] if We opened to them a gate from the heaven and they continued therein to ascend, They would say, Our eyes have only been dazzled. Rather, we are a people affected by magic. Surah Al-Hijr verse 14,15.

[@odeebob7826]

Allah, glory be to Him, challenges the unbelievers in His Holy Book in this wonderful verse. - “ Produce your proof, if you are truthful.” Quran 2 : 111 Thank you brothers , May Allah fulfill your dreams and give you a bright future

[@scottholder4431]

Produce your proof, if you are truthful.” Quran 2 : 111 " The problem is......when we provide our proof, religious people are not able to understand. When we provide our proof of evolution(DNA, fossil record, adaptation, environmental changes, etc), religious people are not able to understand. They appear ignorant. They are not ignorant, but that's how they appear, because they cannot understand very simple things for some strange reason. I don't think it's lack of intelligence or ignorance. I think it's fear of allah(verse 16:106). This fear will keep you from understanding very simple things. This fear is controlling your beliefs. This fear will keep you from being able to understand the truth.

[@lamename2518]

one of the funniest to be honest

[@teakadai43]

2:35 That's One Way 😂😂😂😂

[@mahmads]

Fun 😊

[@bu_lai_ke]

Revert here, This guy sometimes reminds me of karl pilkington 🤣

[@yelbuck]

He keeps asking for rational proof, then when you mention a rational deduction such as infinite regression he refuses to accept it! ??? Also, how can he be so adamant that everyone who believes is irrational when he keeps saying he doesn't know to everything? Talk about confused. Poor guy.

[@sbgf4674]

What a headache

[@Shaken1]

“Let me see what Karl Popper has to say” 😂

[@Abd-al-Qadr]

8:16 he's turning into a cherry 🍒 dude is stuck like chuck without a truck or even a buck

[@scottholder4431]

In order to show that an infinite regress is a problem, you would have to show how it's vicious. In the epistemic regress, for example, a belief is justified because it is based on another belief that is justified. But this other belief is itself in need of one more justified belief for itself to be justified and so on. An infinite regress argument is an argument against a theory based on the fact that this theory leads to an infinite regress. For such an argument to be successful, it must demonstrate not just that the theory in question entails an infinite regress but also that this regress is vicious. There are different ways in which a regress can be vicious. The most serious form of viciousness involves a contradiction in the form of metaphysical impossibility. Other forms occur when the infinite regress is responsible for the theory in question being implausible or for its failure to solve the problem it was formulated to solve.

[@odeebob7826]

When atheists fall down the stairs, they immediately shout, "Oh my goodness!" 😂

[@mohammadjangda2253]

pls be careful stating things from Quran as it is from Allah. Saying things not there or vice versa is not a right thing to do and one should go open the Quran to be positive before stating things that are in the Quran or not. Needs to be 100 percent positive making comments related to the Quran. Period! Quran 29:65 Clear Quran Translation 👇 If they happen to be aboard a ship ˹caught in a storm˺, they cry out to Allah ˹alone˺ in sincere devotion. But as soon as He delivers them ˹safely˺ to shore, they associate ˹others with Him once again˺. Believers do not vet into foolish arguments of it is there or not. If it is just relay the reference and the translation showing which translation. Best way not to error especially when talkimg Quran and Hadiths. Simple! Period!

[@whome4851]

Atheists:I don't know and you are wrong! Muslim: Then whats there ro talk about? 😕

[@sandrajackson709]

What is there to talk about when Muslims just present things they think are impossible while not showing how their scenario is any more possible? Who is supposed to care what they can best speculate. anyone could do that own their own. A person could either look at the available evidence and know to some degree that no man split a moon an half or at least assess how improbable that is while not knowing past a certain point. They can say that you are wrong for presenting a fallacious argument. If I cannot say that it is possible then there is no convincing me that it is true neither can you say for sure that it is true

[@mohammadjangda2253]

Mind boggling is when Atheist questioned about God and science having no evidence or anything proven one hears the Atheist saying a thousand times “I do not know” and that “ Science is still researching and still not there yet.” I do not understand if science has not shown otherwise then y go debate and argue that the Creator does not exiat. Having no marrow Atheism tries to stand on falsehood falling flat on their faces as falsehood is bound to perish. Atheism is nonsensical unless and until it can show and prove non existence of a Creator. The theist have very logical points and signs proving the existence of the Creator. Presenting data challenging the logical mind if it tries to negate this fact. Also the innate natire and the study with children who they isolate from atheistic lands and not injecting their minds with any religion knowledge asking the children about the Creator and their respomses. The study showed that we r born with innate nature accepting that a higher power does exist. It is burnt into us from birth. Our parents or this society then pollutes clouding oir innate natire. Period! With so mich data the Atheistic society has the guys to negate it with mo evidence and with mostly “ I do not know yet” and that Science is researching. Science is not the tool for the metaphysical ie it cannot prove anythimg related to unseen. Science knows nothimg about soul, jinn, angel, God, etc. Nothing and i will say Period! Nothing! Zip Zero! Nada! So Atheist should go Shush powering off their system and think 💭 accepting that such an universe absolutely cannot come about by itself with everything functioning perfectly and in harmony. Splashing all color tubes on a white board will not produce a meaningful painting ie Van Gogh or anything sensible. Complex designs requires a Creator or else not even a simple thing like a needle cannot create itself. Period!

[@MrJimiJK]

As soon as you invoke the supernatural, you're no longer using logic and reason. There seems to be this constant attempt to shoe horn religion into scientific questions, which is fine. However in order to do so you need to propose your top down model of creation that explains what we observe. Except no one ever has, because it doesn't work or match what we observe which is bottom up creation, not top down. All we have here is God of the Gaps.

[@maruf2050]

Or you are the doing that

[@FoolishFreshieBro]

Not at all. You work your way up using evidence first. When evidence runs out and we reach a plateau.. We then resort to logical inference and reasoning. Logical inference transcends the limitations of the natural and by default that then takes us into the realm of supernatural which is simply a word for something inexplicable based on our understanding and comprehension. We'd be fools to believe we know everything. We've hardly scratched the surface. Logic dictates we have to use the supernatural. Until such a time as science catches up (which I don't believe it can because it's bound by laws) and if it doesn't.. Then the natural answer is a supreme creator.

[@scottholder4431]

@@FoolishFreshieBro supernatural which is simply a word for something inexplicable based on our understanding and comprehension." Let's test this claim. So a phenomena that we cannot explain means it is supernatural?? What happens when we figure it out and can explain it, does it then become natural??? If this is the case, then the phenomena was natural the whole time, we just couldn't explain it naturally. Or is this phenomena a different event once we can explain it?? If "X" cannot be explained, then does it become "Y" when we can explain it or does it stay "X" when we can explain it???

[@scottholder4431]

Even if you prove "by necessity" that something must exist.........this doesn't tell you what that necessity is. YOu are still inserting your god, but this god is still a greater mystery than the mystery of how the universe was created. If we agree that something was necessary for the universe to come into being.........we would still need to figure out what that necessity is. You can't assume it's a god, because it could be something else. We only have natural processes and forces. We have no evidence of supernatural processes/forces. So the necessity would be natural, not supernatural.

[@FoolishFreshieBro]

The fact that we understand natural processes is the reason why logically you have to end up at a single creator and something supernatural. I appreciate it's a fictional quote, but 'When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth' would apply. Also, as they explained.. That creator has to have certain attributes I.e. All powerful, all knowing, self sufficient. As literally everything else that is attributed anything would need to have a source for those attributes. Which can only be derived from that creator. Yes you can ascribe it whatever you want, but God is the defacto noun that would encompass and match the definition of an ultimate creator. If you have an alternative suggestion.. I'm all ears.

[@scottholder4431]

@@FoolishFreshieBro Nope, natural processes is all we have. Religions have failed to provide even 1 supernatural processes. And the ones religions did propose were created by a god turned out to be wrong. Thunder isn't caused by angry gods. It's natural. Fertility isn't controlled by god, it's natural. Harvests are not controlled by god. They are natural due to weather and climate.

[@scottholder4431]

@@FoolishFreshieBro So when it comes to belief........should we believe the theory that has evidence(natural) or should we believe the theory that has zero evidence(supernatural)??????? Which belief is better??? Evidence based or non evidence based?????

[@FoolishFreshieBro]

@@scottholder4431 evidence plays a significant part of course. But where evidence doesn't give us the complete picture, we can still use logical inference or collective understanding to take us the rest of the way. I.e. For example, we can see some of the universe with scientific instruments. But we infer certain things such as the types of planetary conditions out there and the state of the early universe as accepted based on logical conclusions we derive from our understanding. So applied here... My logical understanding is cause and effect. Therefore, something needs to cause creation. It can't be an occurrence of chance. Then I can step further and asign definition to that cause based on logic. I. E. It has to be the ultimate. It has to be sentient. Self sufficient. Eternal. All powerful. So on and so forth. The next logical step would be to then infer from all of that.. And my inference is an almighty creator. I can then contextualise that by ascribing it to a faith which makes most sense to me. Again.. Referring to evidence based logic.. Islam makes most sense to me. And Islam provides the answer of a God which fits the definition I logically come to.

[@scottholder4431]

@@FoolishFreshieBro Also, as they explained.. That creator has to have certain attributes I.e. All powerful, all knowing, self sufficient. " Powerful, yes........all powerful??? What does that even mean? And why not label it as just "powerful" instead of "all powerful"? Besides, are tornadoes powerful? Yes. Well they are created naturally. So I guess we could say that the natural processes that create tornadoes is also powerful.

[@leadfarmer9396]

Another angry atheist

[@michelangelope830]

God is the first uncaused cause. God created the universe from self because from nothing can not be created something. Reality is created from reality. Intelligence is created from intelligence. God exists and the truth matters. If you accept God is necessary would you accept humanity are deceived believing because too many people lie too much?. I need to know why do you believe God is Allah. Let's read verse by verse, page by page of the Quran analyzing the meaning. It has to be done methodically, exhaustively, trying to understand. I think Islam is a cult and the true God is Spinoza's God. What are the consequences of Islam, or the behavior of muslims, on God's Creation?, does Islam create a peaceful and prosperous society?. God's Creation is the most important and the only that matters and exists for me. When a molecule is divided God is literally divided, the Designer is the Design. Why God created life?. And the Quran was never memorized. What would be the future of atheism if atheists continue to refuse to ask for proof that the Quran was memorized? Thank you.

[@scottholder4431]

"There is no atheist on a crashing plane." That's the dumbest thing I've heard. When people are in fear of their life and they say "OH god, help me"...........that doesn't mean they believe in a god.

[@pincharuzihaan4031]

yea but why do you think that is. If they don't have any inherit belief in god why do people always when they are the most hopeless and dire situations pray to a god. Why are people born with the belief in god regardless the environment and up bringing. There have been per reviewed studies conducted by Harvard University, on children that confirm this. Even children from atheistic cultures like some chinese culture, children have a innate belief in a higher being who created world. Every society in the world, and every society in all of history, has been aware of the idea of God. why?

[@scottholder4431]

@@pincharuzihaan4031 If they don't have any inherit belief in god why do people always when they are the most hopeless and dire situations pray to a god. " 1. Because they grew up in a country where the idea of "god" was prevalent. AND 2. People don't necessarily say what they mean. A friend of mine got involved in a car accident and he told me "the car came out of nowhere". He doesn't necessarily mean the car just popped into existence. People say things they don't necessarily mean or believe. If people grew up in a country where Jumanju was all knowiing, always present, creator of everything.........you would hear atheists(or anyone) wanting Jumanju to save them from whatever scary thing they were experiencing. Does that mean they beleive in Jumanju????? No

[@scottholder4431]

@@pincharuzihaan4031 There have been per reviewed studies conducted by Harvard University, on children that confirm this. " And there have been other studies that counter the study you are referring to.

[@scottholder4431]

@@pincharuzihaan4031 We would need to create a country(that has never heard of god)..........but they have heard of the Great Unicorn...........to test those studies. Because if you are right, they would forget about the Great Unicorn when scared of dying and instead call out to god. If Im right, the atheist civilians of that country would call out to the Great Unicorn when they were scared of dying.

[@scottholder4431]

@@pincharuzihaan4031 Every society in the world, and every society in all of history, has been aware of the idea of God. why?" A new study out earlier this year, however, pushes against Barrett's conclusion. Published in the July issue of Cognitive Science, the article presents findings that seem to show that children's beliefs in the supernatural are the result of their education. Further, argue the researchers, "exposure to religious ideas has a powerful impact on children's differentiation between reality and fiction." In other words, said Kathleen Corriveau, one of the study's co-authors, the study found that childhood exposure to religious ideas may influence children's "conception of what could actually happen."

[@scottholder4431]

And no the quran doesn't demonstrate that it is true. It's written in a very vague language, where the meanings can change to match what science has already learned. So when science learns something new, you can just interpret the quran differently so that it matches science. That's not a book from a god..........that's a book from man, where man is attempting to make it look like a book from a god.

[@user-xw5kw8qk6e]

The strongest argument used against atheist." Is it possible for a watch or a phone to build itself, even after millions of years"? atheist must know that he is a created being, and that his body, have systems, like immune system, the digestive system, and the nervous system, The human body is more complex than any machine because it contains thousands of functions، this machine Who created or made it?

[@GAMERLIFE-xu5vf]

QURAN 6:109 They swear by Allah their most solemn oaths that if a sign were to come to them, they would certainly believe in it. Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Signs are only with Allah.” What will make you ˹believers˺ realize that even if a sign were to come to them, they still would not believe? QURAN 6:110 We turn their hearts and eyes away ˹from the truth˺ as they refused to believe at first, leaving them to wander blindly in their defiance. QURAN 6:111 Even if We had sent them the angels, made the dead speak to them, and assembled before their own eyes every sign ˹they demanded˺, they still would not have believed-unless Allah so willed. But most of them are ignorant ˹of this˺.

[@scottholder4431]

QURAN 6:111 Even if We had sent them the angels, made the dead speak to them, and assembled before their own eyes every sign ˹they demanded˺, they still would not have believed-unless Allah so willed. But most of them are ignorant ˹of this˺. But sending down angels at the snap of your fingers would be excellent evidence of your god. But making dead people speak at your command would be excellent evidence of your god. The problem is.....religions cannot provide these miracles in order to convince us. All it can do is assume we would not believe.......because your religion provides no way to TEST these claims to see if we would believe. And image someone that believes bigfoot exists. The very statements you made, they could also make about you. Even if bigfoot sent down angels, made dead people speak, and assembled before their very own eyes every sign you demanded, you still wouldn't believe. Does that mean bigfoot is real or has some kind of supernatural knowledge for KNOWING that you wouldn't believe the signs and miracles that were sent down? Nope, and nope.