What i dislike about Lelit MaraX (3 months usage) PL62X

[@sebastianalfers2733]

It takes that long bc the sensor sits at the end of the thermosyphon

[@damianmb5]

So flushing will help then?

[@sebastianalfers2733]

@@damianmb5 Yes, that always helps to heat the group.

[@strellnikow]

I will soon get the Mara X with the same upgrades like yours! I am really looking forward to it and want to thank you for the explanation!

[@rolandlickert2904]

Seriously consider the 2 version Mara X did they improve the heating time? Would appriciate to let me know.I consider as well the Bezzera BZ 10 because the heating time is shorter.Two Boiler Machine for home use and 3 espresso and 3 espresso in the afternoon is a overkill in my opinion. Though dessision .

[@kylegosiaco5318]

Awesome in depth content. This is so helpful. Thank you!

[@sebastianalfers2733]

Bianca does not change temp faster. It just measures from the boiler but the grouphead will adjust on both machines similar and this is what counts during the extraction

[@StefanusGoana]

I would say in a way Lelit MaraX is being extremely honest about how E61 grouphead works

[@sebastianalfers2733]

Yes, I think its unique and they even have a (pending?) patent on it. Really great stuff.

[@rolandlickert2904]

In the meantime, version 2 is on the market. I have a dilemma I'm 74 years and just have 2 expresso in the morning and 2 in the afternoon I wonder is it wise to spend that much money for the Mara X 2? Perhaps Grace would be enough? I don't think you get double better coffee for double the money you pay! However, will Grace last for 8 to 10 years would appreciate your comment.

[@StefanusGoana]

Hi yes MaraX require more maontenance work like the E61 grouhead. You need to lubricate its cam, may change parts along the way etc. However if you like it and have the time maybe it is the reason you want to invest in MaraX. MaraX e61 also has alot of acessories you can buy comparr to 57mm group head in grace

[@rolandlickert2904]

@@StefanusGoana Thanks for your reply guess heating time did not change?

[@kymbolino]

Before I watched this video, I was going to buy the Marax. I could tell you really really missed Bianca, which made me rethink and totally changed my mind to buy Bianca instead. Thank you for helping me make the decision!!!! I love my Bianca and so happy I bought it instead!

[@StefanusGoana]

Well basically if you can effort Bianca then you should.

[@jasonf3963]

Easy to say that but it goes from 1400 to 2900. That’s not exactly an easy decision!

[@kymbolino]

@@jasonf3963 Bianca is a cure for upgraditis.

[@pixelflenny]

Have you tried turn off/on the machine after changing brew temperature? If it's a bug, this might help reducing waiting time.

[@StefanusGoana]

I have not, i tried to pull the lever when pressure gauge doesn't move at all but not sure it helps to make it faster or not

[@davecrabbe4579]

Any E61 is going to be slow to change temps.. Even in the Bianca.. you can increase the PID and the brew boiler will change in a minute or two, but the E61 will not stabilize to the new hotter temp for a bit.. maybe 5-10 minutes? So you change the Bianca up 3 degrees.. wait 2 minutes, brew boiler gets to new temp, but the E61 has only changed 1 degree by this time (just guessing). Then as the brew water flows thru the E61, it cools 2 degrees and you are cool at the puck. No E61 is going to be quick to change temps. This is the advantage of the saturated brew groups and those similar like the Pro300, Breville DB.

[@StefanusGoana]

Thanks Dave, i have read comparison between E61 and saturated group. I wonder if Lelit Elizabeth is using saturated group

[@nusstu]

@@StefanusGoana Can you explain briefly what's a saturated group?

[@StefanusGoana]

@@nusstu perhaps you can read further here coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/31459-what-is-a-saturated-group/ Its also hard for me to explain briefly. However you must know there are always pros and cons. Coffee making should be enjoyable and the best way is to have community, join our Lelit community

[@davecrabbe4579]

@@nusstu Although, technically not a saturated group, a very small brew boiler that sits on top of a much smaller group can be controlled more precisely than the E61 system, which was originally designed for commercial use where shots happen constantly. You put a PID in the area on top of the group and you only have a short distance for the water to get to the screen. The Profitec Pro300, Breville DB use this type of approach as does the more expensive LMLM. The Decent is the best home machine example of using sensors and mixing to obtain ultra-stable brew water temp with future versions allowing temperature profiling.. the ability to control temperature change during extraction..

[@kymbolino]

@@davecrabbe4579 my 2 cents, I believe Lelit’s Victoria Elizabeth and Kate have this setup, of brew boiler mounted to group head.

[@shamsultmx7994]

Sorry.. Just query.. Time brewing lelit for mara X.. Beginning 1st drop or when start the brew..

[@StefanusGoana]

In general it doesn't really matter. It is a time variable for you to adjust after you have tasted your espresso. For example your first shot 30 seconds 36g yield and super bitter then you might want to make your next shot 25 seconds despite of when you start your timer.

[@shamsultmx7994]

Tq.. Just received my lelit this week.. Very love this machine.. Now I calibrate 18g in, yield 36g in 22/ 24sec after 1st drop.. Its over or under extrection..

[@StefanusGoana]

@@shamsultmx7994 Only your tongue can answer that. Under extracted for arabica coffee normally like sour and thin body, so keep on experimenting to find the right balance for you

[@ionutpopescu7159]

I just installed the flow control on mine too. Same thing as in your video. The problem is the flow of 6ml/sec from the vibration pump which is custom made by Olab. Bianca has around 10 ml/sec. That is why the paddle working range is better i think.

[@PanzerIV88]

That's true a rotary pump always have a higher ml/sec but I've seen a reviewer say the paddle at the maximum value by default with the Bianca V3 would be 5.4ml/s only, unless then the difference is a constant full force 5.4ml/s versus a "slow/weak 5.4ml/s with no restriction" so when you apply restriction which isn't meant to be done by default, the Olab pump won't catch up?

[@jm7720]

I really appreciate your honesty Stefanus. It's refreshing in a world where everyone is trying to sell people on the highest priced products. How do you think this compares to the victoria or the Anna 2 in terms of creating a good espresso? I'm considering either one.

[@StefanusGoana]

Hahaha you are comparing 3 different World here. 50's line, VIP line, and Pro Line. Bqsically they all are capable in providing good espresso, it is just the ease of use and handling. Loke Toyota and Mercedes, both deliver you to where ever you wanna go. Ask your loved one opinion, look at your kitchen position, look at your coffee drinking habit, and finally what is your comfortable budget. Cheers..

[@petervansan1054]

lelit mara x is midrange

[@malaandrini114]

Hi,Does Lelit Elizabeth came with E61 grouphead and PID ? and also I really like the review of MaraX 👌

[@StefanusGoana]

Elizabeth grouphead is not E61, but yes PID at hardcore.

[@malaandrini114]

Thank youu

[@mohdazminishak6387]

I am an engineer playing with controlling pressure, temperature and flow rate. Temperature is the slowest parameter to move when you chang its set point. Have to be passion.

[@KimMoonbmwmoonie]

I just wanted to thank you for the very pleasant and easy going nature of your descriptions. I am a coffee lover and have put together a small home coffee bar, but I am ready to upgrade to a really nice espresso machine. I have been going back and forth very about what to get, but i now realize i want the Mara X machine. I love the work it takes to brew a great cup with it and and the old school look really makes it a very romantic process. Do you sell the ACE aprons? I would love to have one. Take care and thanks again. Keep up the good work.

[@athanasiosxirogiannis9468]

Ok, I've had enough. Dude.. as far I enjoy your Videos and I am a Subscriber already.. You've spend so much money and time to afford this machines and bunch of other stuff.. So.. Please Buy a Decent Microphone! Don't do that to us.. Please! Consider a usb c microphone gun or a Lapel Microphone Thanks.

[@StefanusGoana]

Hahaha buddy yes i'm working on it. thank you so much for your input.

[@athanasiosxirogiannis9468]

@@StefanusGoana I don't want to be mean! do not take any offense, you can always try to do Normalize to your audio in your Software so we can hear you clear!

[@StefanusGoana]

@@athanasiosxirogiannis9468 Yes no problem at all, infact i appreciate your input

[@athanasiosxirogiannis9468]

@@Oshiiiiiiiiiiii you luck of quality I assume

[@denizbektas9390]

Can you give a satisfaction update? I see so many faults in the forums.. I used breville express before. Now thinking for an upgrade. I want to have the best espresso since not thinking of many milky beverages. So maybe you can give advice between Mara X, rocket appartamento, BDB or Profitec500( not prefably if it is not really worry)

[@StefanusGoana]

To be hones from brevile express it won't be a very much upgrade. From single boiler vibration pump i would totally suggest uograde to Bianca dual boiler with rotary pump. It is a whole different level. However if you have budget constrain please look at Lelit Elizabeth, i've been using it in my counter for the past 6 months, dual boiler with vibration pump

[@cedricobringer5401]

Hello, Thank you for all your great videos. I would like to ask you a question. I have been using a lelit mara x for 3 weeks on which I have installed a probe thermometer on the group, I do not use the eco mode which caused the temperature to fluctuate too much. Since yesterday I have a big temperature problem, on the temperature range "0" so 90 to 92 ° C my machine does not go below 96 ° C during the extraction. Normally the machine remains stable whatever the time it remains on at 89 to 90°C (group temperature) and 91 to 92°C extraction temperature. I use always filtered water and it is backflushed. I hope I was clear enough and that the translation is not too bad. I contacted customer service for my machine but any help would be appreciated. If you have an idea, thank you in advance.

[@StefanusGoana]

Hi many factors involve here, it is hard to say but you need to understand better how its heating element works and better understand when is the right time to brew. Since it is only 3 weeks i don't think there is anything wrong with your machine.

[@micoal2834]

Hello, do you think you could increase your volume. Thanks

[@StefanusGoana]

Yup my new video will use a proper mic. Cheers and thanks for the input

[@centtang7580]

I am thinking of adding the flow control kit, is it normal for the meter behaviour? It seems not work in principle or is the installation problem? Have you contact lelit insider ?

[@VideoPine]

Did you modify opv for better pressure? Mine does 10bars when brewing espresso, James Hoffman says the pressure is to high in this machine? What do you think?

[@StefanusGoana]

It all comes down to taste, you can try to bring it lower and use it for like 1 months to compare

[@benpham0408]

Lelit MaraX vs Rocket Appartamento. Which one do you recommend?

[@StefanusGoana]

Surely MaraX, higher technology and cheaper LOL

[@benpham0408]

@@StefanusGoana I appreciate your reply 🥰

[@cty121]

I'm not sure if you realize, that the stock MaraX comes with a gradual preinfusion, and adding the paddle will remove that? in my opinion, the mara x function better without the paddle, if you want the paddle its better to get the bianca.

[@StefanusGoana]

Thanks in this matter i agree with you, however gradual preinfusion i think has no pressure at all, with this atleast i can get some pressure around 2 bars for my preinfusion

[@sonnysukamto7135]

Nice video bro , i patiently wait for my marax delivered ☺️. And my bottomless portafilter also .

[@StefanusGoana]

On the way to you. We expect another 2 weeks as scheduled in Jakarta. Love you full

[@nusstu]

Just curious what happened to your Bianca?

[@StefanusGoana]

Hi Eugene, there is absolutely nothing wrong with my Bianca. I sold it second hand so someone else can try it at affordable price.

[@nusstu]

@@StefanusGoana ok, would you say the Bianca's flow profiling is better and produce more consistent shots? I've seen both side by side at the shop and the Mara is a lot smaller possibly cuz it's a single boiler with a vibration pump.

[@NANA-gy7yx]

@@nusstu adding flow paddle to an E61 grouphead is a good idea. However, if it is a heat exchange (like the Mara in this case), keep in mind the brew water will get really hot since the flow is restricted.

[@yunaiyunce9388]

Thinking of buying this coffee machine but I am still confused 🤔 between Bezerra BZ13 or the Mara.?

[@StefanusGoana]

The only thing i like from BZ13 is the volumetric button and with PID display. Anyway MaraX is E61 grouphead, i strongly suggest you to have a look at Lelit Elizabeth which is already double Boiler at a very small top up compare to BZ13. So far i'm using Elizabeth in my kitchen and super happy with it

[@yunaiyunce9388]

@@StefanusGoana thanks for the response

[@pawejeschke7113]

@@StefanusGoana

[@damianmb5]

Hi, how do you think it compares to the Bezzera BZ10?

[@StefanusGoana]

Hi BZ10 is way to far to compare with this machine. You should compare BZ10 with PL91T or even lower model. BZ10 doesn't use E61 grouphead as in MaraX, and smaller boiler. BZ10 is cheaper i guess?

[@damianmb5]

@@StefanusGoana hi, in USA is about the same price . I can get the model with buttons for about 1200 usd. Any comparable alternatives to this Mara X? Btw your reviews are great!

[@StefanusGoana]

@@damianmb5 if you can stretch your budget just a little more you should get Lelit Elizabeth, it is a double boiler machine you eon't have the desire to upgrade until perhaps you get a lot of fortune. The normal typical journey is from Heat Exchanger upgrade to a double boiler. Double boiler is basically an end game for home barista

[@damianmb5]

@@StefanusGoana Thanks for the recommendation. But I don't like the looks of the elizabeth nor the watertank design so I was looking for something like the Mara X or similar. The Bianca is like double the price, I don't think that for the use I will give, mainly me making espressos and occasional cappuccino, justifies the cost. Here I think is like double the price of the Mara X :/.

[@StefanusGoana]

@@damianmb5 other brand Rocket Apartamento, Bezzera Magica, ECM, they all normal HX. Nothing comes like MaraX do your reading carefully about the coffee priority

[@peterpan69]

r u happy with your bianca?

[@StefanusGoana]

Hi Yes... i'm thinking of getting a bianca back on my kitchen counter in the future for sure

[@jordanburella6972]

I'm in Canada and I can get the MaraX for $1300 or the Bianca 2 for $2300. Would you say it's better to get the Bianca for the extra $1000?

[@StefanusGoana]

If you have the money then go straight to Bianca won't do any harm. It has the best of both world when Elizabeth and Mara Combine together. Bianca is an END GAME no more desire to upgrade because simply nothing else to upgrade beside dilter basket and screen shower. You will have more time for recipe creation and experiment instead of discussing temperature stability etc. I hope this answer your question

[@sebastrem05]

Jordan, were did you find a Lelit at those price?

[@Caydnade]

In Usa lelit Elizabeth Bianca and mara x sold out everywhere the cheapest i could find that actually had stock was botta1884 on ebay ships directly from Italy

[@TheAllang123]

Yes Jordan. Where do you find the Bianca at that price please.

[@chadgregory9037]

is there a way to rig up a gear to that there knob so it turns slower? ...just let me fix a $1700 machine with duct tape =]

[@kaypee1972]

Why don’t you have the Bianca (anymore)?

[@StefanusGoana]

Perhaps like handphone reviewer they switch phone to really able to give good and detailed experience about it. Specs is important but to really use it day to day is important for me to give honest testimonial about this machine

[@nickbaillie4925]

It also takes a while as the PID will be auto-sensing based on how the boilers heat and cool - needs to redo this every time as it will have to account for whatever environment is in - it could be in Singapore vs. Iceland - near a radiator vs. in a draft.

[@Drodrod]

That wouud imply a self tuning pid which I highly doubt they have implemented here.

[@CedricRachmad]

Does anyone have his MaraX overheat? THis morning the steam pressure went over 3,5 bar and steam was coming out. After I opened the steamwand a while the pressure dropped to regular levels. But this should not happen.

[@After_GF]

Too exaggerated about changing temperature to serve different people, personally I wouldn't bother changing at all after purchase and test for some time Changing grind, as you already know, and having the possibility later to install flow profile mechanism, is more important Only issue the too sensitive paddle, maybe that only happens with that specific mod, maybe with another it will be better

[@StefanusGoana]

Hahaha yes probably i meant change setting for different coffee bean. Like from medium roast to dark roast.

[@paulwharton1850]

Very interesting video. I don't think you've installed anything wrong. From what I can gather the MaraX is designed to be the way it is specifically for people who just want a straight forward, very even temperature, fast coffee from a well made machine that is going to last and not cost them $3000 only $1000 No "Moding"" allowed on the Marax.....it just won't work - it sends the Gicar computer box crazy ! I do agree the temperature adjustment, 0, 1 & 2 in "Brew Mode" according to Lelit takes 15 minutes and that is far too long. It's probably because of the firmware on the Gicar box and allowing time for the E61 group head to adjust to the right temperature. It's also very peculiar that in Brew Mode the initial heat up time is very fast.....about 15 to 20 minutes but if you start up in "Steam Mode" the initial heat up time is 45 minutes ! Crazy Italians !! For someone like me who only likes & uses Lavazza Rosso beans twice a day it is the perfect machine - The last thing I want is a Lelit Bianca with "Flow Control" - That would be a nightmare !

[@kymbolino]

I have the Bianca and flow control has, unexpectedly, made my life a lot easier. This is because grind setting, for me, is no longer the main variable. Instead I find I can just adapt the peak of the pressure profile to suit each shot based on the flow coming out. After a few days of having the machine, I hardly have to think about it manipulating the paddle, like changing gears in a manual car. That’s my 2 cents for anyone out there who might be thinking that Bianca will make things more complicated, for me it’s surprisingly been the opposite. The thinking you normally put towards the grind setting is just shifted over to the paddle.

[@PanzerIV88]

Very good video, I wonder if they improved the 15min delay on the (MaraX V2) from 2022 which came out first with the Black & White versions. It only says that the 2 differences are: - Black logo instead of red. - OPV Hose flushing water back in the tank rather than the drip tray more often. I can understand it takes more time to cool down a hot boiler but requiring 15min to raise the temperature of only 5 Fahrenheit is just wtf? On my mom's Bianca V3 if I change the temperature it is like 10 time faster than 15min! The most surprising is when the Bianca goes in sleep, once you wake it up and it is around 138F, it's crazy how fast it goes back to 203F.

[@shaunlawler]

Cleaning video would be great!

[@StefanusGoana]

Will upload soon

[@shamsultmx7994]

This have lelit mara x Pl62t in market now.. With PID adjustble..

[@DmitrijPaskevic]

That paddle mod performance is a bit sad. At £200 extra I would expect it to work flawlessly.

[@StefanusGoana]

Its not really meant for Mara, even manufacture never advise to upgrade this. I'm doing this just for fun and so far my shots never exceed 9 bar wit the help of paddle

[@n863204]

@@StefanusGoana hi does it taste better after using paddle~ thanks

[@StefanusGoana]

@@n863204 Hi with paddle you can grind finer than usual then give it a soft preinfusion for as long as you want, then when you think puck is soften and ready then open to max pressure, its flow will be perfect. Taste wise is very subjective, but i do believe there are so much more experiment you can do with it.

[@n863204]

@@StefanusGoana GOT IT THANK YOU~~

[@eskerinola5845]

Coming from a a Breville Barista and looking for the most reasonable prosumer coffee machine, I wonder if, based on your experience you would buy it again or another brand/model like ECM Classika/ Expobar Minore IV/ Quick Mill/ etc? Thank you!!

[@StefanusGoana]

Hi despite of the flaw it is still a great machine and i would choose it over other HX machine. It is the only HX machine currently in the world that has coffee priority option that doesn't require us to do excessive flushing to cool down its grouphead. If you have extra money then have a look at Lelit Elizabeth and Bianca

[@htinaung4916]

I don't agree with your assessment. Nothing is wrong with the Mara X PL62X. £1000 price for this home consumer's model.

[@StefanusGoana]

You probably haven't watched the whole video 🤭

[@pacceo]

nicely done, it´s name is MARA_X not marax, there are Mara S or T models I think :-)

[@StefanusGoana]

Hi i guess you haven't watch our interview video with LELIT headquarters. Basically they said you should write it as MaraX, but prenounce it as Mara X. Don't ask me why but that is the reality

[@coffeesaurus]

15 minutes!!! Wow!!! I can change pressostat settings on my oscar just in 5 minutes! And I suppose that flow control device on HX machine changes not only pressure but temperature too.

[@burnsyblues]

Yes please on the cleaning video!!!

[@StefanusGoana]

Yup preparing and will upload soon

[@burnsyblues]

Cant wait, the marax is my first e61, my biggest concern is getting the gasket/shower screen off.

[@Jack_Hunt]

Basically its a crap feature they didn't think through. Unfortunately, Lelit for me has become a no go for an espresso machine. What can you expect from a company that makes IRONS? They really don't know what they are doing. My greatest problems with this company is they don't offer 58mm portafilters on anything in their lower range. You have to jump to a victoria to get it. Also the Bianca and the Mara X are the only ones that have the STAINLESS STEEL boilers, the rest have the unhealthy brass boilers. They knew what they were doing when they made this choice for their upper range. I won't be buying any of their machines. There are better companies out there

[@StefanusGoana]

Hi Jack, they do have Lelit Glenda 58mm. Brass boiler unfortunately i think most entry level machines are using this material due to low cost. Ironing yes i'm using it and they are great to be honest hahaha.... They come with boiler which i think uncomparable even with big brand out there. In my opinion, there is no Perfect espresso machine. We just have to find and weight between pros and cons and make decision based on our situation. If you really love a certain brand you will even go the extra mile to perfect it's weaknesses.

[@Jack_Hunt]

@@StefanusGoana I bought a breville in the end only because i wanted stainless steel not brass, plus it has preinfusion, one shot, double shot, it just works. If lelit changed all their machines to brass and swapped out the insane 57mm for a 58 on all machines. They would sell tons of machines. They really have not given it a lot of thought.

[@StefanusGoana]

@@Jack_Hunt Great atleast you finally onboard with an espresso machine. We are all here to have fun making coffee comfortably with our chosen machine. I hope so far you have fun drinking coffee and enjoy life

[@bigglyguy8429]

@@Jack_Hunt Hi Jack. I was like you, around 7 months ago. Wanted something better than my silly Delonghi, but wasn't sure it was worth spending huge bux on fancy names and "quirks", when I could just get a Breville? So I went for the Breville Bambino. It was lovely. It died last week, got stuck in a cleaning cycle, then started leaking, wouldn't respond to buttons... Let me be blunt... Breville are shit. So many people told me that, but like you I figured it was silly to spend more on less features. Enjoy your Breville. Cherish every cup...

[@StefanusGoana]

@Jon Woo May i know what is your machine now?