What I Learned Spending +$2000 On Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboards

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@shrugalic Ай бұрын

Great overview. I had similar progression, starting in 2008 with a Kinesis Advantage 1 (half a year after starting Colemak in 2007), a few years of ErgoDox (still my favorite flat ergo keyboard), a bit of trying the Moonlander, Voyager and other keyboards on the side (these two have too few thumb switches for my taste). Up until about a year ago, the Kinesis 360 non-Pro was my favorite Keyboard. It is now #2, right after the #1: BastardKB Charybdis. I love the Charybdis's steep tent, the PBT MT3 key caps I bought on Drop, as well as the silent tactile switches (Gazzew Bobba U4 in my first, Outemu silent yellow cream on my second). I still haven't seriously started using its trackball but I should. For now I'm using a separate Deft Pro trackball. The #3 on my list would be the MoErgo Glove80. It's also sculpted, as well as wireless and with LEDs for those who care. I don't like its switches nearly as much, there's just a much smaller selection with chocs, and only 3 tactile choices.

@ronmc1677 Ай бұрын

apparently, you didn't spend enough on ergonomic keyboards! you should try the glove-80 and the dygma defy also, they're really good with amazing software experience, or so I've heard.

@foxedex447 4 ай бұрын

your above average tech bro!

@franksenkel2715 3 ай бұрын

I have a Piantor, advantage360 (wired), and a Digma Defy, the defy is by fare the best...super build quality, great software, awesome thumb cluster, and the right number of keys....with too few keys, the flow of typing gets disturbed by having to constantly switch layers...

@dudamir 16 күн бұрын

Stupid question, how to replace the navigation keys on these keyboards?

@YourAverageTechBro 15 күн бұрын

Usually hidden in a different layer of the keyboard

@TheEriclikeseatin 4 ай бұрын

I've become a huge fan of the Keebio Iris and the Lily58 these last 4 years. 100% agree that split ergos are the way to go!

@guyscounter 3 ай бұрын

Nice! Can you also review the digma raise 2 and defy?

@lian1238 4 ай бұрын

Was hoping UHK v2 was in the list but great video none the less! I think I’ll choose the uhk as my first split keyboard which i can convert back to a normal one if i don’t like the split

@nickgoogle4525 3 ай бұрын

For me the UHK v2 has been proven to be the best option. Is it perfect? No, but closest IMO.

@lian1238 3 ай бұрын

@@nickgoogle4525 the dygma raise 2 is just around the corner, i will wait for its launch and some reviews. Deciding between those two

@Quizzter Ай бұрын

My biggest issue is that the Moonlander has no F keys, making it so hard to use. Do you have recommendations for ergonomic keyboards with F keys?

@Quizzter Ай бұрын

Besides the first one you showed.

@NormalDynamics 21 күн бұрын

Legitimate question, why would you need actual F keys if you could just place them on a layer?

@lastmanstanding5423 9 күн бұрын

thumb is the weakest finger, because it is on the "wrong" side for an mammal. as in we are a species that evolved "opposable thumbs" and because of it all of the tendons and ligaments that extend into your forearm are not set properly for an mammalian species. making the thumb the weakest finger. but thumb has the best dexterity of all fingers. that's why it is easier to hit keys with it... making you "feel like" it is the strongest. ps. I did a lot of grip training... as in "strongman style" grip training where I learned all about strengths and weaknesses of each finger.

@wildcsgotactics 3 ай бұрын

I have a Kinesis 360 and zero bluetooth issues with my Macbook Pro and my Windows Desktop PC.

@SumitPatel-t4k 2 ай бұрын

How easy is it to travel with? Like would you be worried about damaging it on flights or train journeys? I’m debating buying one but am not sure if it’s travel friendly, seems hard to travel with though.

@alexlo97 4 ай бұрын

have u heard of the glove80? i like it better than the kinesis360

@YourAverageTechBro 4 ай бұрын

i've heard of it but haven't tried it out myself! very curious to try it out though

@GreatWalker 4 ай бұрын

@@YourAverageTechBro I don't know what 360 Pro did wrong, but the Bluetooth on Glove80 is near flawless.

@rayl6599 3 ай бұрын

I just recently made the switch to the glove80 as well for the shorter travel switches. I went with the one with the light actuation cherry blossom switches to maximize reduction in actuation travel/pressure needed. and have found it helpful though there's a learning curve to not stab excessively at a switch and hit its neighbor.

@kellymoses8566 2 ай бұрын

@@GreatWalker Bluetooth is is a very complicated protocol so it isn't surprising that Kinesis got it wrong.

@scoopy-poop Ай бұрын

Can u take one for the team and get one to review it?

@GreatWalker 4 ай бұрын

I know the 360 Pro uses the ZMK firmware which opens up to open-source GUIs. Would you happen to know if Advantage 360 also uses an open-source firmware?

@averagetechnologyenojyer 2 ай бұрын

im currently using a portronics hydra 10 and i would love to try out a 40% keyboard

@GeckoEidechse 4 ай бұрын

Definitely give the Dygma Defy a try. As someone who prefers a clutter free desktop, having a wireless keyboard is a must and the Defy is the only one that offers both Bluetooth and low latency RF

@shrugalic Ай бұрын

The Defy is definitely a decent keyboard, a coworker has one. Personally I don't care about wireless, which is great because I prefer sculpted keyboards over flat ones, and I've tried quite a bunch, and all of my favorites are wired. My top level comment lists a few.

@trackvegeta8716 3 ай бұрын

You are just at one step to end your keyboard journey, glove80 with red pro

@austintaylor5683 4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much this is the video I needed. PrimeAgen had the same issues with the fully Bluetooth model and he prefers the wired version too.

@YourAverageTechBro 4 ай бұрын

oh i had no idea, glad to hear i'm not the only one who had issues with it. fully wired all the way for sure

@keyboard_g 3 ай бұрын

On the Kinesis Form, are the space bars different inputs or mapped to the same on in the operating system? In other words, in MacOs or Linus can you map one space bar to do something else?

@qwert4871 2 ай бұрын

On these keyboards there are microcontrollers inside, with them you can remap any key for whatever you want, with different actions for press and hold.

@GigaMarou 4 ай бұрын

why not build one?

@YourAverageTechBro 4 ай бұрын

eh, not thattttt into keyboards

@zachvalenti 3 ай бұрын

Svalboard - it might look insane, but it’s the real deal

@flo______ 4 ай бұрын

exactlyyyy what i need! thanks!!!

@YourAverageTechBro 4 ай бұрын

Happy to help!

@sirinath 2 ай бұрын

Can you do Chara Chorder style keyboards?

@atxorsatti 3 ай бұрын

Two things I never understood: 1. More than 3 keys on a thumb cluster, is an advantage - never got this. I just can't understand how you comftably reach all the keys on the thumb cluster. 2. Wrist pads - how is that argonomic? This seems like making a bad habit more comfortable. Your hands should never be rested on the table nor on the keyboard. Since this puts a lot of strain on your wrists.

@WorldLoveGaming 2 ай бұрын

I get discomfort from trying to hover my hands over the desk. That's why I use a wrist pad to keep my hands at a more comfortable height whilst being able to rest my hands at an ideal height.

@_Nova_Prime_ 4 ай бұрын

HI Thomas do you need a editor as i recently watched your some of the video and they are not well edited

@hamm8934 3 ай бұрын

Your wrists should never be touching your keyboard or table. They should be hovering when typing. It is super unhealthy and poor typing posture to do this. Pianists learn this early on.

@AyushSingh-pd6fm 8 күн бұрын

Yeah and I will die out of exhausting before I die from bone problems if I float my wrists. I don't think flexing your muscles for hours is healthy.

@hamm8934 8 күн бұрын

@@AyushSingh-pd6fm You can and should rest your hands while they're not engaged in typing. But when you're actively typing, no part of your hand or wrist should be resting on the keyboard or table. Your hands should be hovering. The Mayo Clinic has a great article discussing this.

@frontend_coder 4 ай бұрын

I have the microsoft sculpt one

@YourAverageTechBro 4 ай бұрын

nice! it's a classic

@BigChiefWiggles 2 ай бұрын

What I have learned is: buy a Dygma Raise 2, forget the gimmicks, dont give yourself training scars by learning some proprietary layout.

@303pix 2 ай бұрын

please, clean the ergodox...

@Nephtys1 4 ай бұрын

I keep wondering if there are even developers who spent between 100$ and 1000$ on keyboards. It's either 20$ membrane 100% wide keeb being used for eternity. Or owning multiple 400+$ split boards because each one was a little better than the previous one. Just by logic there would need to be a person being between those two levels, but I have not witnessed one yet. Maybe it's quantum keyboard mechanics.

@GreatWalker 4 ай бұрын

I own one 400$ keyboard and one 100$ boomer keyboard. Does that count?