What I think about way too often...

[@FROSTY0121]

This is essentially what our ideas for teleportaton are. Its not you moving somewhere its you being killed then a "clone" being built there

[@derekchristenson5711]

Basically, then, the plot of "The Prestige". Err, spoiler alert, for those who don't immediately understand the scene of many cats walking among many hats.

[@schmerzwahnsinn4101]

That I ligit borderlands lol the new you station and fast travel works exactly 9ff that idea!

[@malaineeward5249]

Also how Time Travel works in Timeline

[@triples3273]

Depends on method of teleportation. If you're using portals to teleport or Apparating like in HP, then you're actually folding space instead.

[@matthewtanner7206]

​​@@triples3273the current tech limits is that particle transfer+ reconfiguration is the most efficient method we can actually achieve seeing as we are no closer to stabilizing and controlling/opening einstein rosen-bridges...or finding a way to create a vessel that can fold space like a 'wave'

[@22Tesla]

Dude just explained either the whole plot of SOMA.... or what is REALLY happening in The Amazing Digital Circus

[@Directed_it]

Pantheon too

[@UGH_ITS_THAT_GUY]

thats exactly what i thought when he said that.

[@disguysn]

Let's not forget Portal.

[@Moarsalt]

Was about to say SOMA, that was a pretty close re-cap of the plot-twist.

[@victzegopterix2]

Or that's not incredible at all and just a coincidence due do a common origin that is modern reinterpretations of a family of thought experiments, from the philosophy of the self, which dates back to 1984, or even 1970, and if you wanna go to the deepest origins at least 1690, and so which exist for so long that they're kinda well known at least implicitly.

[@DoodlesWords]

Bro just got early access

[@sand3000]

What?

[@naniwara8673]

He didn't make what he said up, he probably just had that happen to him instead. ​@@sand3000

[@benjiball0]

​@@sand3000he's saying the ghost who explained it has experienced the "immortality" switch

[@butteredbutterbutbetter]

I would love to see a plot where a ghost tries to free its cyber counterpart from its digital hell

[@danieladuye895]

I’m literally making that

[@GodfatherIsTyping]

That’s almost the plot of Cyberpunk 2077 with a couple glaring differences

[@-na-nomad6247]

Dude, you're a genius.

[@beatrizespinoza6263]

This sounds kinda like William Afton in security breach, except that it was the digital copy helping the "ghost"

[@TsaiClops01]

Black Mirror has an episode like this. Miley Cyrus plays a pop star that was used and abused by her family to keep making content even after she’s put in a coma. It’s actually the other way around, where her cyber self tries to save her real self’s legacy

[@BurgerBunDog]

These two achieve levels of bromanship I strive for

[@jacquelinecallejas1390]

They didn’t know each other when alive right? It’s nice they have each other now but we should strive to find that kind of friendship while alive.

[@toprekallz3435]

I'd rather be a ghost than be strapped into a machine forever.

[@vinyashere4all]

That's what the ghost society makes you wanna think, homie!!

[@Krucek_v2]

Soma

[@UnusualPete]

What's the difference between being a virtual being and real life? 🤔 How do we know this isn't a virtual world? 😳

[@GalaxyXelite]

GLADoS type stuff

[@toprekallz3435]

@@vinyashere4all I mean, Do I really have a choice anyway? Nice taste in music you got by the way!

[@TAGfrost]

That's why if we ever discovered teleportation I ain't doing it, I'll wait until they develop wormholes.

[@TAGfrost]

However likely I'm going to be dead long before then.

[@disguisedcentennial835]

Yeah in Star Trek you basically die lol

[@Racc-Kun_YT]

We're fairly certain that if they do exist entering a wormhole would be fatal. Better off not trying to teleport at all.

[@skateraptor12]

Who’s gonna tell him? Teleportation=wormholes🤯

[@Revelde001]

@@skateraptor12Think he means the Star Trek version. IIRC you aren’t actually teleported but instead a clone of you is made in your destination and your original body is destroyed, killing ya.

[@bigoldpp9542]

That's literally the plot of SOMA, minus the ghosts.

[@HammerSlammers]

Ya, just make it where the guy wakes up and becomes depressed:3

[@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820]

@@HammerSlammersThe guy was an idiot though

[@matthewhiggins1024]

We don’t know for sure that the ghosts aren’t in the game 👀

[@IkoElyod]

I WAS GONNA SAY

[@hafirenggayuda]

Tbf, Soma not really the original one. However, it's the most known and critical about this "Theseus ship" dilemma

[@Monarch_Souls]

Dude really did just describe all of SOMA basically perfectly and it's hilarious

[@BeffJezos12]

what is soma?

[@HaloMachinimaFilms]

​@BeffJezos12 It's a great game that tackles concepts in this video. I don't want to go into detail, but I highly recommend playing it.

[@badgamer123thereckoning2]

11 drunk guys video on soma recommend watching that for shits and giggles

[@georgesears2916]

If you liked SOMA you should check out Pantheon too.

[@ingridmace2530]

Oh hi there, heat from fire

[@dracos0024]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who immediately thought of SOMA. 😂

[@myparentsaredivorced4573]

It’s been like 7 years and I still think about Soma sort of regularly. I’m glad other people are too. Such a good and horrific game.

[@dracos0024]

@myparentsaredivorced4573 I remember watching Markiplier play it back in the day. Somehow it's become a core memory of mine.

[@Ravenwester]

So that would mean that teleportation (through deconsteucting your body in a place and constructing it somewhere else) is death.

[@JorakinHost]

Pretty much yeah, but then there is the question. Will than new copy also leave a ghost after they die? Or you get free access to the new body and your ghost "connects" with it possessing and merging with it.

[@immortalfrieza]

If you're deconstructing your body and then reconstructing your body out of the same materials and energy, including the electric impulses in your brain, as Star Trek does, you're still the same person.

[@SilverionX]

If you wanna go by that theory you die all the time because your cells die and are replaced constantly.

[@Vassilinia]

​@@immortalfriezaand where's the guarantee for that? It's all well and good for a story, but we attained that kind of technology irl I sure as hell would want to stay away from it.

[@nocturn9x]

​@@immortalfrieza That depends on what school of thought you believe in. There's people who think that still amounts to death, even though spatial permanence is technically preserved. This is all silly anyway, it's physically impossible to perfectly scan a person and deconstruct it at the atomic level, wormholes are far simpler and more likely to actually be possible than teleporters

[@haroldearlgray5629]

This is like the plot of SOMA

[@SeedlingNL]

MC finds out he's a digital copy within 5 minutes of waking up, then continues to whine about it into the ending credits...

[@christophfischer2773]

That's why the correct way to achieve uploads is the Ship of Theseus approach. Connect/replace parts of your mind piece by piece without ever loosing consciousness.

[@a.velderrain8849]

What if as soon as the last piece is replaced, you become a ghost?

[@shugunoth4300]

So, self-induced Alzheimer's and then death?

[@mooncatcher_]

Problem with consciousness is some brain processes may very much be quantum, meaning to recreate a fully correct digital model we will have to observe hence destroy the physical one. In practicality it would be taking a scan so powerful it will wipe all thought from your brain leaving you dead, and it has to be that way by laws of quantum mechanics to read the data correctly.

[@xyro88]

I will sneak around and collect all the pieces. Then put them together and be like "Welcome mr. Original Theseus. You know your plan of living forever? Do you feel like yourself? Well this other robot guy stole your life and your name. Go mess them up and take back your life"

[@WeirdDuck781]

Don't have to go much farther in order to proof the validity of the ship of Theseus with the living as most of the atoms in your body only arrived there in the last decade. We are constantly getting parts replaced

[@AJ-lw6jf]

Happy holidays 🎉 thanks for all the joy u brought this year 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@carv7374]

If someone liked Tall Ghost story, play SOMA

[@elizabethhernandez1456]

You mean "Soma bringer"?

[@ZenithRhythmOfficial]

​@@elizabethhernandez1456 no there is a horror game named SOMA with pretty much the sane plot as mentioned in the video. Its really cool. I highly recommend it to anyone. Plus it on sale for the steam winter sale

[@theguywhoseinsideyourwalls9153]

​@elizabethhernandez1456 no its just called SOMA all caps

[@epikmanthe3rd]

​@@elizabethhernandez1456No, the game made by Frictional Games (same guys who made Amnesia and Penumbra).

[@finnsinclair2538]

That thought genuinely keeps me awake at night, it's really scary to think about.

[@gianttacogod]

The prestige

[@humanperson8418]

Your face is really scary to think about! (Shark!)

[@アヤたん]

What's scary to think about just DON'T subscribe to whatever utopia bs Elon's gonna come up with next

[@CharlesManson-rh5uw]

You replace all of your cells about every 7 years. You are not the same person you were 7 years ago to you that “other person” is essentially a stranger that you will never meet again.

[@wingedfeline5379]

@@CharlesManson-rh5uwThat doesn't apply to neurons though.

[@supasunotchi3355]

That switch-flipping guy makes it sound like a punishment. "Enjoy living forever, bruh."

[@annataymond9529]

That’s what I think every time I hear this discussed. That I feel like it’s more likely you’d be dead and there’d just be a copy of you that may or may not even be self aware. It could just be simulating emotions and reactions like a philosophical zombie.

[@emila732]

If your copy will have your memory they will be very aware of what happened.

[@annataymond9529]

@@emila732 chat gpt could be “aware” of something like that. Doesn’t mean it actually understands.

[@Mavendow]

Human brains are just meat with electricity running through them. Said meat simulates emotions all the time. If such a thing as a soul exists, we know from experimentation that it isn't necessary for conscious thought.

[@annataymond9529]

@@Mavendow that’s literally impossible to “know from experimentation” because if the soul is a thing, it’s not something we can remove or test or quantify, so no, we don’t know that.

[@Mavendow]

​@@annataymond9529 Notice I didn't claim its nonexistence. I claimed it's not required for conscious thought. We can test that by verifying brain lesions and their effect on neurological function. If those functions degrade in a predictable pattern (they do) then it's reasonable to say there's no pieces missing in the puzzle. No soul required for conscious thought. Maybe it assists in some way, like providing morality, but it's not required.

[@Volgotha]

Bro spoiled SOMA for everyone 😅

[@almightyk11]

No, you did by mentioning it

[@Star_Nekolife]

What soma?

[@Merstone0502]

@@Star_Nekolifea really good horror game

[@victzegopterix2]

Sorry but it's already spoiled since at least 1984 by Derek Parfit.

[@Gamingawesomeness121]

NO, YOU DID just now…

[@pacdunn]

Nice animation, love anything inspired by SOMA

[@ShashkingGodforsaken]

yes, EXACTLY my point! SAME with teleportation.

[@supercoolmaniajon265]

When you think about it, turning a human body into pure energy, sending that energy long distance, then reconstructing said body perfectly sounds like it'd just be a breeding ground for errors and mutations.

[@ichiilow4728]

"enjoy living forever, bruh" gotta be one of the funniest lines

[@agorarcadon]

I love this! This is what I always thought about when watching these types of movies.

[@repapeti98]

Yeah, that's basically the plot to SOMA

[@cwispygiraffe]

This is an idea Black Mirror has explored countless times, and I still can't get enough of it

[@DesertDog]

Try the game SOMA

[@TheBoristheboar]

For some reason I keep seeing the sitting ghost as a foot

[@slipspacesurvivalist9416]

...Dammit, now I can't unsee it.

[@BibleNerd22]

Now I can't unseen it, too😑🫢

[@victzegopterix2]

This brings up a really interesting point about philosophy of self . It seems people don't conceive their "self" in a commutative way. In this case that means that both the ghost and the copy will consider the original as a part of themselves, but the original identifies themselves as the ghost only. The criteria to establish one self is not the same if you're thinking about your future self or past self. It seems one perceives their past self based on memory, but their future self based on body continuity. (Though it's obviously more complex 'cause it's philosophy. For example, imagine getting a memory from someone else, you wouldn't think that's really a part of you.) Well a ghost doesn't really have the same body as the living you to be fair. The thought experiment works better if an error makes you not die but the copy still exists. 🤔

[@NamsaRay]

SOMA

[@Arbidarb]

This is dealt with by the conception of the soul. The body changes and dies, but the self persists through change as a soul. Making the ghost the actualized continuation of the person. The question of downloading a person is whether it's feasible to capture a soul in a simulated world that we create. Transposing the ethereal into electronic code appears by all rationality to be absurd, and so downloading the soul is logically considered no more than death being accompanied by a copy.

[@victzegopterix2]

@@Arbidarb, lmao get real. Souls aren't a real thing. The more time philosophy and sciences advance, the more dualism appears to clearly be an unsustainable position.

[@Arbidarb]

@victzegopterix2 "Soul" is a stand-in for the self (mind/consciousness). There doesn't need to be some kind of supernatural existence to talk about the soul. As much as there is a link between the "soul" and the material body, the existence of conscious experience is nowhere near understood by science at even a basic level. All we can guess is that it's an emergent property of some physical phenomena. However linked, the mind and the brain are not the same thing.

[@emila732]

​@@victzegopterix2they actually are researching it since your consciousness is not apparently inside your brains like we though

[@Pat_the_M]

Two ghosts, shootin the shit, no mortal uncomfortility, no tethers, just chillin

[@voxbury]

And he just summarized the plot of SOMA.

[@lens_hunter]

Idk being a ghost seems pretty cool

[@ic3man]

Seems like he got executed

[@EloquentMess]

Agreed

[@LordOberic1]

This is a best of both worlds thing for me. I'd be fine with having a digital version of me that lives forever, even if we both know I'm the real me and I'm still alive when they start their existence. Digital me would reconcile that damn fast because it's a new me and understands it's just like waking up from a dream.

[@supasunotchi3355]

This sounds like the opinion of someone who died, like Wonder Man or something.

[@amharbinger]

Literally the twist of SOMA

[@LyohKoh]

Just summed up the spectacular horror game SOMA. What if the digital afterlife is Copy + Paste and not Cut + Paste

[@D3r-Hund]

Soma vibes for sure. Basically had an existential crisis after finishing that game x/

[@larst.5348]

That same reasoning I would use for teleporting too (like in Star Trek). I would never let anyone teleport me. It could always be that the person A, who was teleportet, is killed and at the destination it's just a 1:1 copy.

[@joshuakoehne7506]

Notably in Star Trek, there's both continuity of consciousness and a lack of in-universe belief that it works that way, so despite being a common meme, Star Trek isn't the example of teleportation death that many think it is. A better example would be Stargate, where the the teleportation tech has been use to bring back the dead for example.

[@larst.5348]

@@joshuakoehne7506 That may be, but I were talking about a technology LIKE in Star Trek. Any real world application of teleportation isn't for me, thank you!

[@Mithcoriel]

I don't care, honestly. If the concern is that the teleportation doesn't make a good copy of me and I come out crippled, alright. But if I know it's a 1:1 copy of me, I consider that to be myself. Any insistence that my original self died is just a technicality that doesn't affect me in any way. If souls don't exist, it's completely subjective whether you're the same person or not. And if souls do exist, they sorta dictate if you are. Souls are magic, so who says they don't just transfer into the new body? If they don't, if they go to the afterlife instead, alright, I can see why you wouldn't want that, cause then there would actually be a version of you who suffers the consequence.

[@larst.5348]

@@Mithcoriel It isn't about souls. It is about consciousness. And consciousness isn't completly researched. Can consciousness be teleported too? Or is it a copy? A copy isn't the same thing as the original. I wouldn't take the risk.

[@Mithcoriel]

@@larst.5348 "consciousness" doesn't exist. It's a byproduct of brain chemistry. If your brain is temporarily shut down (isn't that just what happens when you sleep? Maybe you require it to be deeper unconsciousness. Like a coma?) and then started back up, are you going to claim that's not the same person?

[@DDProCo]

Yah, if there's an afterlife it won't be subverted by the digital afterlife. There will be a digital version of you in a computer somewhere and your spirit will be wherever that goes.

[@magicamadeye]

thing is, based on the general understanding of the idea of a soul, if we figured out how to map conciousness like that, it would pretty much prove whether or not a soul actually exists.

[@timbax3267]

Honestly, I don't want to exist forever. At one point, I'd like Tim to be gone. That's what scares me at times. I'm a mortal being, yet, my entire life, I've constantly been told I will still be around long after I am dead? That's scary to me. 😂

[@TheMoonFlock]

What'd Tim ever do to you?! (But also, fair, existing forever sounds exhausting)

[@TabbyLavalamp]

I've always thought immortality until I've had enough was ideal, and that was before ever watching The Good Place (an excellent show, and what the ended up making the afterlife was perfect).

[@thewarmwind6171]

People talk about wanting to live or exist forever while forgetting that the heat death of the universe is a thing. It's like all of my fears about death, guaranteed. I want to exist for a long time. But not forever. Forever is very frightening.

[@timbax3267]

@ like that show explored a great point. Being you for all eternity? No end, just being you forever and ever and ever? That just sounds like torture.

[@Celinamars666]

@@TabbyLavalampyeah that show made me realise we are already in the good place aka Earth

[@blobbertmcblob4888]

There's a game about this concept: SOMA. Basically the protag is just a copy of his consciousness.

[@sweetsea3607]

And if you do get to that utopia is it really utopia? The creators get to decide what it means, but for all we know that could be watching Friends non-stop, and for some that'll be torture, especially after 100 years.

[@justkittensbeingkittens5892]

I’d think literally everything would become torture after long enough. Humans crave new experiences so when the utopia stops being updated you’ll be bored

[@Celinamars666]

That explains the friends re runs 😂

[@Asari547]

@@justkittensbeingkittens5892 even if they keep updatin it... if you live long enough you will have seen everything at some point. sure it may have another colour but there is only so much there can be.

[@LegendaryDogeOfficial]

Pretty much every utopia is actually a dystopian society built off of lies and deception, hiding the truth from the civilians living in the so-called utopia. The book and movie, "The Giver," is a good example of this. The movie gives you the opportunity to see a little bit behind the scenes of the dystopian government.

[@emila732]

Buy why 😂 so much new time to learn and experience more

[@bartholomew3436]

My god, I’m glad to see you still make content! I remember reading channelate religiously over ten years ago. It’s a great surprise to get this in my feed after so long

[@oriongabriel6966]

This is a famous question. For ressurection or teleportation mainly. Is it you, or someone just like you with your memories? It even goes as far as sleep lol, could you prove that when you wake up, you are the same person or just a different person with the same memories?

[@Zimaton_Lano]

"Im gonna be pissed" Well you're gonna be pissing anyway.

[@K1nla]

yeaah, I always think about the concept of reincarnation too. They'll have my memories, but it won't be me. No matter what one life is one life. Then I get depressed about how half my life is over and I've done boo all with it. =withers away=

[@sabrinae486]

half your life??

[@ErikoErudi]

@@sabrinae486 they name maybe was gordon freeman but... about reincarnation ... because not remember, you will be newer be a same person... that is good or bad... i still do not know that... of curse this is only a hipotesis... if this thing exist at al...

[@K1nla]

@@sabrinae486 Well, I'm close to my 40s in a few years, so if I were to live to my 80's I'm halfway into my life. But with my family's health history and the direction the world is going I might not even make it into my later years, time flies not in a good way anymore lol. But I'll leave it at that, I don't want to emotional dump onto a stranger that originally came here to watch entertaining animations. I honestly thought my comment would be a destress toss to the void XD

[@Arbidarb]

The core of the self is the soul. In reincarnation the soul continues in another life. The new person will still be you at the core, just with different experiences. It's more like you having your memory erased than someone else carrying a piece of you.

[@Mithcoriel]

@@Arbidarb I disagree. If my soul doesn't have my personality and memories, then it is not what I consider me, and it continuing to exist after I died wouldn't be any more satisfying than my clothes continuing to exist.

[@Fr0ggy_Girl]

I got an advert for microsoft cloud right after this. Not only that, i scrolled when the 1st ghost said "to the cloud" and first words of the advert were "want to upload everything you need to the cloud? " Gotta love the youtube algorithm 🤣

[@danielnaumov1241]

Bro is actually a better narrator than the average dungeon master

[@ViewtifulJosh388]

SOMA flashbacks.... 😢 Ugh!! I get shivers every time I think about that game.

[@SomeRandomKansan]

Dude just described the Relic and Mikoshi

[@darkmatter9643]

Yeah I actually like this thought. The idea that our consciousness is not something that can simply be transferred from place to place really adds value to it.

[@magicamadeye]

funny thing is; if we ever did figure out how to do it, ,it would likely basically disprove the existence of a soul

[@EvanSakaguchi]

Absolutely mind boggling to think about can’t wait to have a mental break about this In a brotherly way

[@Ryoku1]

Honestly I've thought about this and I'm okay with it. Even if I die, knowing a version of myself carries on... I'm okay with that. Granted I don't believe in an afterlife so I won't know anything but the digital copy would have that thought (because they're me).

[@immortalfrieza]

True. Even if the you that goes to the cloud is just a digital copy, at least your thoughts and feelings will continue to exist even after you die. As opposed to now when the best everyone has to look forward to is a rotting corpse that eventually turns to ash and leaves nothing behind.

[@jacquelinecallejas1390]

@@immortalfriezaIF there is no afterlife. But you might be right. BTW there is an interesting twist on this concept in the Black Mirror episode San Junipero. You might enjoy it.

[@Asari547]

you may be gone but the people that knew you might be happier since they have the illusion of you still being around.... but if that goes on and people keep getting replaced at some point there woud be more copies around as living people. what a waste the running costs would be. because at that point they would make nobody happy anymore.

[@victoriapodnebesnyy2009]

The "What?" was so relatable for some reason

[@garynumber22]

That's actually the twist ending in a game. Basically you and a robot friend are trying to get to a machine to upload your consciousness to an ark (basically heaven) and at the end you successively upload your consciousness but then the twist is revealed that both you are still at the computer, Your friend then reveals the truth that while we ourselves aren't on the ark are digital consciousness are.

[@epikmanthe3rd]

Wasn't it something like a coin flip whether you wake up on the ark or in your body and either way what's left behind is a copy? Something like that. I should replay that game.

[@cameronjadewallace]

Friend is a strong term.... She's a friend in the same way the woman who birthed me is my mother... I mean.... I guess, but no.

[@magicamadeye]

@@epikmanthe3rd untill like the second transfer, where they reveal its copy paste, not cut and paste, that the other robots strapped into machines that you transferred to are still also you

[@EisArrow]

What game

[@magicamadeye]

@@EisArrow Soma

[@conscioussubconsciousness1976]

He made a Saburo Arasaka (dubbed) impression there 😆

[@CamoGuy76239]

Would that make uploading our dreams DLC? 🤔

[@AndriuxDev]

*DEEP THOUGHTS WITH THE DEEP*

[@mycatnamedseven-up9726]

Talk about a digital hallucination!!! 😂

[@Yangodoesstuff]

this is deep

[@kazmiirtiza3934]

Darn it, there's alot of emotional TGAMM scenes floating around today. I've already cried at the ending G today.

[@j.c.573]

So Johnny Silverhand-?

[@DaveMustaine1983]

Beat me to it😂 Literally just johnny's 2023 memory

[@Gogeta70]

Reminds me of the animated series, Pantheon. Amazing show!

[@SalmonellaGuy]

If you were uploaded to the cloud, it would be suuuuuuper boring after a few centuries lol

[@dendroxden440]

I'd be bored after the first year or two. A few centuries and I'd lose my mind lol

[@immortalfrieza]

Depends on if you and the other residents are able to add things to the cloud. An ever expanding virtual world, added onto by it's inhabitants, with no real limits. It would probably be like playing a never ending hyper-realistic tabletop RPG after a while.

[@TarsonTalon]

@@immortalfrieza You all have these dreams of a paradise, but the reality is one day the company goes under due to an infinite amount of people eventually dying and being uploaded, and them one day saying "Sorry, folks. We don't have enough energy in the universe to continue running the servers. Unless we shut it down, we'll end up causing the heat death of the universe a lot sooner. So as the living, we apologize."

[@Friday.S]

you could probably replace your brain with transistors little by little instead of all of s sudden, thus maintaining continuity. Then you could take the silicon brain out of the skull and plug it into your super computer once it is complete.

[@Afton_duck903]

Soma

[@reglent9206]

Had this thought too. If we ever invent teleportation. I will not ever use that

[@Daelo767]

That's basically the plot of SOMA, soooo yeah

[@Abelschannel1]

Ngl that’s exactly what soma felt like when i played it

[@jellypot524]

Or even worse, you get out of the chair and a seperate digital you outlives you in the Utopia YOU were promised... Like in Soma

[@annaolsen1]

The book 'Scythe' has a very similar storyline to this short lol🔥

[@1SweetPete]

Spot on, a digital afterlife is NOT your life, it's your clones' life.

[@Nairod2]

All the comments mentioning SOMA... yeah we are all been collectively traumatized by that ending.

[@DesertDog]

Catherine? ... please don't leave me alone... Catherine!

[@danbrew2487]

Then there are 2 of me. I don't know about the rest of you, but any copy of me with sufficient fidelity is me. I am a pattern that may be replicated indefinitely with the right tools.

[@Arbidarb]

You are your consciousness. That's it. There can be no two of you, only copies which are each their own selves.

[@Mithcoriel]

@@Arbidarb I agree with danbrew. Then there are two of me which are both equally valid in claiming they are me. I am my memories and personality. If I were my consciousness, I'd die every night.

[@United_States_Of_America_gov..]

Bro is an A+ story teller

[@earthisadonut7213]

This is the Cyberpunk 2077 plot. Soulkiller does what it's programmed to do. The real you is dead, your digital engram "lives" on.

[@nexusinc.4367]

If only I could find a way to communicate with my digital self😂

[@was3513]

Honestly probs the most accurate explanation. Same one I use to cover the plot hole in the Dark Water episodes of Doc Who, cuz Missy uploading all of history's dead human consciousness's directly conflicts with previously established canon involving dead characters being brought back like in Torchwood with the Risen Mittens. But all that fits perfectly if people did actually just die and go to the beyond, but Missy's machine just copied their consciousness's, and put those into the 3W Cybermen

[@Smallfry_6]

Sometimes I wanna have these two In my house they are hilarious

[@Sugmadik-m5w]

Why is this better quality than most animated shows nowadays?

[@chameleonedm]

Yeah been thinking about this a lot. You’d get around this by blending consciousness first. Effectively adding more senses to the existing mind artificially, then removing the pre existing natural ones

[@Mithcoriel]

As far as I'm concerned, that's just blurring the definition. You might as well just define the new self as being you. What difference does it make if the new part of the mind is created before or after the demise of the old one?

[@chameleonedm]

@@Mithcoriel A constant stream of uninterrupted conciousness

[@Mithcoriel]

@@chameleonedm And why is that so important?

[@chameleonedm]

@@Mithcoriel It ensures that it is the same consciousness, rather than a copy

[@Mithcoriel]

@@chameleonedm Consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. That makes about as much sense as saying your fist exists separate from your hand, and if you want to make a copy of your hand, you ensure it's the same hand by making a fist during the copying process so that it's the same fist.

[@Clatgineer]

I've been thinking about this for a long while now, playing Cyberpunk made me think about it more indepth. Yeah pretty much

[@maikha8963]

I've been thinking about this a lot. For me it's the same case as that one guy and quantum immortality. I'm always gravitating towards the Theseus's Paradox on this one

[@maikha8963]

Imagine we developed nanobots that could map out your entire brain. If we could exchange data between the brain cells and computer we're half way there

[@Hevetmusic]

Literally the entire trilogy of "Altered Carbon"

[@gemscythe]

I know a ghost is saying it, but since I dont really believe in ghosts or the afterlife. Knowing that in some way, shape, or form that there is essentially a part of me living the life I only cpuld wish I had is enough to satisfy me.

[@FPRuzius]

Thats like the intro to the plot from We Are Legion We Are Bob, highly recommend that book.

[@wacpj1929]

This is EXACTLY how I envision the truth of the situation playing out if society ever gets convinced that “uploading your consciousness” is a thing

[@eros5420]

Same thing with teleporting. Like they rearrange your atoms but the old you is vaporized... like they could just copy you and not vaporize the old you. So your soul leaves your body and is looking at a new you that thinks it's you.

[@derekchristenson5711]

Why do you think Dr. McCoy expresses disgust and fear about the Transporter on "Star Trek"?

[@Mithcoriel]

We have no clue what the soul does. The soul is a piece of magic. It might just as well enter the new body. Or get copied along with the body. And it might just as well be that your soul isn't really you, but merely a copy of you.

[@Shadowielder809]

Bro is the evil voice setting in 5-minute dungeon lol

[@sdy.deathcall9608]

I've been saying that. No man can never extend life. even if they feel they did just that, it would just be a mere semi perfect copy with the person's memories, knowledge, personality. No one will know the difference, but it won't be that person.

[@robspadre5519]

This nearly melted my brain.

[@AgrimKumar-w1o]

am i the only one who thought about the prestige 😭

[@MrEmo_69]

well yeah that's how it works, i'd say it could be just to comfort loved ones when you die, i do always wonder how my brother's thoughts worked, what he usually thinked about, etc.

[@Nightswarmer]

Y'all better not upload my conclusion to the clouds, I can't wait to sleep forever, I'm living for that shit

[@highlander6573]

This is literally the entire plot for SOMA

[@PinkiesBrain]

This is how I always have seen starwars teleportation

[@provaricus627]

That’s why it’s important to make a distinction of whether the consciousness transfer is a continuation of your current perception of reality or if it’s just creating a copy of who you are at that moment then shipping it off

[@BonaparteBardithion]

If we assume a digital consciousness still has free will, technically the copy wouldn't know the difference. The copy's perception of reality is based on your/their previous conception of reality and to them they continue to be you in a digital space. What's important to clarify is that the old "you" will still be there existing in tandem unless you opt to kill it. However, this does also leave the option of uploading yourself to the cloud and possibly checking in on your alternate self from time to time which might be a fun experiment if you're not trying to escape a dystopia or something.

[@mannyortiz630]

I remember when watching the Black Mirror episode San Junipero, my friend thought that was awesome while I found it terrifying. It could be more than just making a copy of your consciousness while the real you dies, what if they do upload YOU but it’s not the heaven it seems but its own completely unique hell? And now you’re stuck there, forever, never getting the rest of ceasing to exist

[@dylanmedia4850]

My ghost when it’s in my roof ☠️

[@MetaI_Shadow]

I thought he was gonna say im not your bruh😭😭😭😭

[@AlexN5597]

Dang now I can't remember the show that used that as the premise for teleportation. Basically it LOOKS like the person gets teleported to a new place, but in reality the machine just made a clone of the person at the new location and vaporized the original 😅

[@Mithcoriel]

That's how teleportation works in pretty much all the shows.

[@pvp6077]

Idk what SOMA is but there's a great Chris and Jack skit about this called "digital afterlife" or smth