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[@AdamNeely]

For those who are saying that Fair Use is a defense and not a right....you're wrong. in 2015, UMG was sued and lost in court, setting precedence that under the DMCA all rights holders must consider fair use, and "failure to do so raises a triable issue." scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=12567649168680108221

[@smithjohn383]

I'm really not that into jazz, but that may be because I've not heard lots of it. Some seems interesting, but now I'll never really know or learn to appreciate it in full - and therefore will never buy the actual recordings. I really fail to see how this benefits UMG.

[@samtrenter6438]

Adam Neely you cant make videos, but could you do a podcast?

[@PaulKentSkates]

John Smith Exactly! It's self defeating. If people don't learn to appreciate it, they won't buy the records. Unfortunately their loss is in no way a victory for us or the artists. And their victory is a loss. It's a lose, lose, lose.

[@Dmitry___S.]

What if you provide time codes on youtube vids as examples? Like: "Click 'here' and listen to bass. Stop 'there', come back and here why is it important" or smth. A bit complicated and pro-PC used... ugrh. Just an idea. Thanks for the video!

[@btonez13]

It's insane that any legal recourse you might have is useless in practice; even if you were to assemble a legal team and sponsorship for associated costs, it could take years to resolve for each video in question, and even then KZbin is under no obligation to permit a re-upload or unblock a channel - they're a private business, after all, and can block things for arbitrary reasons... A workaround comes to mind, though: You could consider encouraging people to purchase and download the tracks, or linking to official uploads, placing timestamps on screen, and waiting ~5 seconds for people to skip there in their music player before resuming narration; if you want to highlight a specific run at a timestamp, you could play it on the piano. Annoying, and rather less efficient as a viewer, but the editing wouldn't be too much more difficult than splicing in the clip in the first place, and being able to extract and slow down runs could be useful in its own right. You're a fantastic educator, and you shouldn't be fettered by this system. Hopefully this idea and others on the thread can help you to bypass this Kafkaesque situation and let you do what you do best!

[@RickBeato]

Yes!!! Thank you Adam!! I have an idea about what we can do about UMG. I'll hit you up.

[@SylarTheBest]

Rick Beato shit's about to go down... Keep us posted guys!

[@Patrick-mw8hu]

Full support on this, Adam and Rick. Hoping to see this issue resolved.

[@frenandin]

O shit waddup! The revolution has started

[@rsspartanz]

Some gang shit knawimean?

[@SrgntSprnkls77]

sounds shady, i like it

[@gungy_vt]

Fun fact: UMG doesn't only care about music and videos pertaining to music! A Twitch streamer I follow once uploaded a video to KZbin from a playthrough of Demon's Souls in which, at the end of a boss fight, church bells start ringing. It got copyright claimed for, and I kid you not, "Many Church Bells Ringing Simultaneously" by UMG. Just gotta let that sink in every now and then.

[@danaldtrampf6717]

*_Your most famous video has been claimed by umg for the usage of "Bruh sound effect #2"_* -Deal with it, love KZbin Ltd

[@YardDart63]

Same with me. I once had a video of myself adjusting the valves on my car engine. No music at all in the video, but UMG claimed it and blocked it worldwide. And that was before they would even tell you what was supposedly identified about it.

[@EIbows]

This sounds like a class action suit waiting to happen

[@CannotBeVerified]

This is so fucked

[@theoreticalphysics3644]

I'm sorry but... Has the sink been let in yet?

[@ravenshadevox]

I once got a copy right strike because the waves I video taped at a beach in Canada sounded like an audio only sample somebody capture in the Philippines.

[@josephb.4640]

See, this is an acceptable time to send a pissed-off email filled with curse words to the UMG. They don’t own the sounds of nature. What they’re doing is illegal, sinister, and idiotic.

[@alvallac2171]

*copyright *captured

[@JosephLachh]

@@alvallac2171 I read right through both these without noticing.

[@kartofelus]

@@alvallac2171 🤓

[@starr_love6196]

Omg smh

[@skyborax5159]

KZbin should protect the people who make their platform possible.

[@janfungusamon4926]

KZbin should try to make any effort to acknowledge the people who make their platform possible*

[@robbedoeslegrand236]

Welcome to the capitalistic world, so shut up and work for free.

[@sunfeatherX3]

@@janfungusamon4926 which happens to actually be their advertisers

[@mjt1517]

@@sunfeatherX3 wrong. Without content, there would be no reason for advertisers to pay for ads. No content...no platform.

[@Luuk3333]

They definitely do that. The advertisement companies are the ones who makes the platform possible.

[@FreezepondMapping]

I BEND MY WRIST WHEN I PLAY. Now that I have your attention, I would like to personally thank you for being such an entertaining and educational KZbinr.

[@matheuspojo]

Freezepond lol

[@DanPeala]

you little

[@bootledhead]

Bravo

[@DANGARCIASOTO]

You just killed me

[@jmclean6648]

hahahahaha!

[@ErimlRGG]

More than a year and this still is happening. Gus Johnson just made a video with him getting claimed for just talking about Bohemian Rhapsody but not even playing any of the song

[@McSuperfly101]

How does that even work? What was the algorithm detecting?

[@Chooopy]

It was manually claimed. Someone at whatever the record label was thinks they own the video since Gus uttered the words “bohemian rhapsody”. Rick Beato also has a similar issue with name dropping Black Sabbath for fear of his video being taken down or claimed. Honestly it’s a cut and dry illegal abuse of the DMCA system, but individual creators don’t have the means to fight a team of lawyers

[@spudbencer7179]

More than 5 years and it is still happening and they do claim literally everything they can get a hold off.

[@mentiras_xoxo]

why is there no class action lawsuit against this yet?

[@willyj3321]

Because it's expensive, and UMG is powerful with good lawyers.

[@sursomsatan1225]

You haven't noticed that everything is corrupt yet huh?

[@mago2103]

Willy J yeah they have really go- *umg loses a lawsuit* oops

[@alpha.gamma.dingdong]

Well all of the above but also because they're legally within their rights to do this. Blame your lawmakers.

[@UncleEarl97]

@@alpha.gamma.dingdong, UMG is breaking the law, it's just that no one with enough money has taken them to court yet. Fair Use is still the law, but all the victims of UMG have no recourse without a voice, i.e. not enough money, and because KZbin is catering 99% of the time with their advertisers, with hardly a care towards their other customers... YT Creators. YT has chosen sides and... we lose. We need an alternative to YT! But without that, they exert the force of their near monopoly.

[@honestduane]

I love the fact you baited UMG with the fully fair-use evanescence clip.

[@DisDatK9]

honestduane I feel like that would be a good way to raise awareness for how bad Copyright Striking is on KZbin. Post something explicitly under the definition of fair use, and just update the moment that it becomes copyright struck and by who.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

@@DisDatK9 Fair use does not force a private business to give you a platform for your content. They have given their business partners the ability to remove videos for any reason they want. UMG's automatic content ID software might be used to find music they own but that is not legally required... They do not have to have any reason at all for removing your video. It is just a private business deciding what gets put onto their own platform.

[@Liggliluff]

@@xlaythe Because it's correct. I think KZbin's fair use situation should improve. But it's still a private company and they can still deny your video, even if it's not breaking any law.

[@flutterwind7686]

@@Liggliluff I feel like large social media platforms should be considered public, and a public essential good. These companies deserve to be fucked

[@nickr753]

UMG is of course ultimately shooting themselves in the foot as well. Guess what sells more jazz records? More educated listeners.

[@TonyWinston]

Guess again, no one is buying jazz records.

[@yourmomsfavoritegay]

Tony Winston that’s just not true

[@TheSimonScowl]

+Tony Winston "no one is buying jazz records" I believe that was his point. No one is educated enough for Jazz to be sustainable.

[@TheSimonScowl]

However... people who DO buy Jazz records have more disposable income.

[@runninglyrics]

I buy jazz records, from newer jazz musicians. Probably because I was especially into it after knowing what to listen for in jazz that was trying new things.

[@BrandonCuringtonOfficial]

Copyright Rules in 2050 in a nutshell: me: _plays G note_ UMG: *Your video has been taken down for copying the first note of Bilie Eilish Bad Guy.*

[@hxcyns2191]

Genuinely thought that was gonna go down the Black Parade route. I'm getting old.

[@bradysmith6339]

Or for welcome to the black parade

[@jackcarlu]

*The only note

[@akshatsaxena1431]

@@jackcarlu damn

[@idonteatcheetos]

JabbaFett Which Octave ?

[@fergonfiction6889]

I got a copyright strike for using a 5 second clip from a children’s show that is used in a Marilyn Manson album. Not from the owners of the show but from UMG claiming it was Manson..the irony

[@Liggliluff]

Worse thing: Family Guy (or was it a different show?) used a clip of KZbin in one of their episodes. Then FOX had the content ID automatically take down the original video from KZbin.

[@rillloudmother]

And yet KZbin has no problem making money from serving complete pirated albums as long as no lawyers come knocking...

[@ntrpy]

i thought that was because artist can choose to have all the ad money go to them, therefore actually benefiting them?

[@shingshongshamalama]

Record labels can and shockingly often do exploit this by using ContentID to automatically monetize ANY videos to themselves. So even if you used a single clip of something that entirely falls under fair use law, that video is automatically monetized and all the ad revenue goes straight to the record label, not to you. Which, to be clear, is completely illegal. But KZbin gets away with it because content creators can't do shit about it.

[@zeroflowne]

Bless you for that Evanescence joke

[@JanPBtest]

Can you imagine if mathematics was like that? Theorems would be copyrighted and you could not state them on KZbin. That's the situation.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

Lots of videos on KZbin have content where the copyright belongs to someone else. This is a private business letting its partners remove whatever videos it wants. Copyright law is not really involved at all. Nothing about fair use forces a private company to give you a platform for your video.

[@xoreign]

@@andrewg3196 If you're getting triggered by facts, like them or not, I'd reevaluate a couple of things.

[@andrewg3196]

@@xoreign not "triggered by facts" ya little nerd. I understand the OP here made a bad analogy, I'm just surprised this other guy is responding to every single fucking comment in support of KZbin's shitty behavior

[@walmartbargainbin]

You’ve been claimed by UMG Thanks you for your cooperation

[@matthewzhang581]

no

[@eamonjosephus]

I thought your for real

[@aasyjepale5210]

@@matthewzhang581 Yes Thanks for your cooperation

[@alvallac2171]

*Thank you

[@RAPSNINO]

GTFOH

[@PhiNickGaming]

You should retune all the music examples you want to use to A=432Hz, the superior frequency that the plebeians that are UMG simply will not be able to understand.

[@fudgesauce]

Is that major 3rd eye or minor 3rd eye?

[@PhiNickGaming]

It's the Pythagorean third eye

[@PhiNickGaming]

Gsus G° D eye, maybe

[@MarkDavidTeo]

im choking, so good

[@TheDylandProductions]

If Adam doesn't see this comment chain, then it truly will be a sad day. A sad day indeed.

[@lucaszembrzuski]

Universal Anti-music Group...

[@thetruthchannel349]

Its not UMG. Its bad algorithms.

[@coolandhip_7596]

@@thetruthchannel349 it's both

[@CVerse]

@@thetruthchannel349 UMG themselves copyright claim videos and manually deny counter claims

[@Trumpnation78893]

Dead

[@PeterBuvik]

Universal fire group

[@rrrripbing]

Is this the same UMG that recently admitted to losing vast quantities of master tapes in a fire including those of legendary artists?

[@andreassjoberg3145]

Well then challenge them in court and demand that they provide the master-tape as evidence.....

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

@@andreassjoberg3145 UMG is not taking any legal action against any of these content producers. There is no part of copyright law that enters into the equation. It is just a company deciding what videos it wants on its site. You cannot force a business to give you a platform. They may give copyright reasons for why their algorithm picked your video but they are not using any legal means to make any of this happen (that would be a lawsuit or a DMCA take-down notice). It is just an agreement between UMG and KZbin that lets UMG remove whatever videos they want.

[@GeorgiaOverdrive]

Dude, they straight up shredded rare master tapes by Elvis, so they don’t have to spend as much kn warehouses. Some were saved, some were not.

[@rvsteve583]

@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 sounds like you work for them......................................its a means of sensoring .

[@NPGLAMB]

Yes.

[@ArchdukeOfBelgrade]

3:28 This is my main issue. I ve never got content ID yet in the past week UMG claimed like 20 videos I ve deleted them and lost over 14 mill views. KZbin should protect their creators. This is insane. If You are making videos for example like lil tv presentation about best selling artists and You show a little clip about 9 seconds what is the point to show people about what are You talking about.. they will maybe strike You or block You and You cannot do a thing and by US law its fair use.

[@jacklawrence7331]

@Ambrose Burnside there's no need for misogyny man, just uncalled for

[@BlueEyesWhiteTeddy]

You are implying her being a feminist and a woman is the reason she's horrible...

[@BlueEyesWhiteTeddy]

Saying someone could be horrible because they are a woman is misogynistic. You know that?

[@dannycarbona]

You are the product. You don't have rights. The customer, to wit advertisers, are the ones with rights and who are protected.

[@bacicinvatteneaca]

@Ambrose Burnside you cannot be a feminist and a CEO at the same time. It's impossible. CEOs exploit people through capitalism, and capitalism requires the existence of a patriarchy to survive.

[@rzeka]

fucking youtube... this copyright shit has been going on since like 2007 and STILL nobody has done shit about it, no matter how much attention is brought to it

[@ShallieDragon]

The issue isn't KZbin. It's the fact that KZbin has to make rules in compliance with the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, which causes content hosting sites to make these ridiculous rules to appeal to IP rights holders. The way to fix KZbin is to fix the law.

[@MattMusicianX]

Shal Music/FX ur comment is as eye-opening as Adam's video. Thanx

[@BeyondtheRecord]

I have to say, not all of it is bad. Sometimes that copyright system helped me and some of my colleagues to spot some copyright infringements by people stealing our music. The problem is big companies using this tool in a predatory way

[@jamesjones4396]

+Shal Music/FX I think youtube is capable of taking a way better stand on this. They can provide a better appeal process that doesn't just go to the copyright holder, but a third party.

[@EversonBernardes]

+James Jones the sheer volume of DMCA requests makes it prohibitive to have a third party looking through them, case by case. Big problem here is that the law doesn't really punish spurious requests, so copyright holders are incentivized to barrage KZbin with hundreds of thousands of requests regardless of their validity. DMCA is a broken law, that's the truth.

[@cQunc]

You know he's upset when there's no outro.

[@MyoticTesseract]

“Treble.” _descending notes_

[@subchefiadeassuntosfederat7416]

you know he's upset when he drops an F bomb

[@kudlok1]

Well, this magnificent company also claims rights to (and this happened to me recently) Vivaldi's "Four Seasons". And the rendition I'm talking about was released by the performer on the CC0 licence. Amazing, innit?

[@weatheranddarkness]

christ almighty!

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

If I was a KZbin content creator I would set up a dummy account to post videos to, then I would make a real account that I would use to claim my own videos from the other account. This way no one else can claim those videos. Once they have been claimed then KZbin says to take it up with the people who made that first claim...

[@GeorgiaOverdrive]

0ooTheMAXXoo0 Companies can still claim your song. That’s not how that works, mate .

[@Liggliluff]

@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 A video can have multiple claims, as proven in this video.

[@Microtonal_Cats]

I got dropped from Warner Brothers after one record. So I was really tickled when Napster happened. I've also gotten take downs for videos with music I wrote and recorded on WB. Major labels are dinosaurs thrashing in the tar pits as they go extinct.

[@OrchestrationOnline]

I use a lot of public domain recordings that have gone out of copyright, and I still get dinged. Why? Because record companies will take older recordings, remaster them, copyright the remastering, and then enter that data into the Content ID system. So a source recording will activate the remastered recording's ID. I could appeal, but in the end it's not worth the bother, as I can make a good argument for fair use if there really was a huge issue.

[@karlrovey]

There are no public domain recordings unless they were specifically placed in public domain. The music may be public domain, but the recording is not. That said, I have had my own recordings of public domain works flagged as containing third party copyrighted content.

[@JasonRennie]

@@karlrovey According to Wikipedia, "In the U.S., any work published before January 1, 1923 anywhere in the world[2] is in the public domain." How does a published recording not fall under this rule? I've seen exactly what OrchestrationOnline is claiming---they used a Django Reinhardt recording from pre-1923 in a YT video and got dinged b/c there were later recordings of the same song.

[@karlrovey]

@@JasonRennie Sound recordings have different protections. Prior to 1972, sound recordings were protected indefinitely under state anti-piracy laws that were so strict that foreign recordings considered public domain in their own countries were considered protected under the anti-piracy laws. The original 1972 Federal Copyright Legislation had a set year of 2047 for recordings made before 1972 to enter public domain. A later copyright act extended the copyrights until Feb 15, 2067. Most foreign recordings that were at one time considered public domain have had their copyrights restored. The only sure bet on public domain recordings are those produced by government employees as part of their jobs and those specifically placed in public domain by the recording artist.

[@johnrickard8512]

I'm surprised someone hasn't revolted by now and set up a competitor to KZbin that is completely devoid of content id...

[@TheRockinDonkey]

@@johnrickard8512 that hasn't happened because they would face the same legal troubles that led KZbin to develop their content ID system in the first place.

[@stevebadachmusic]

you can't play a snippet of a song in an educational video, and yet people upload entire albums and they stay up and available for years. I won my first dispute/appeal ever just the other day!

[@candymeltproductions5392]

sub kilohertz oscillations what was the record companies name

[@DelTangBrav]

That's correct but it isn't the UPLOADER who benefits from them staying available for years - it's the copyright holder/s. Just because you see adverts doesn't mean the uploader is getting anything.

[@hpjk772]

I have made my peace with the music industry dying. It's for the better. An old, more than half evil beast that has to go. We as musicians will always continue playing, and despite all their efforts, the music industry in its death throes will not succeed in preventing the spread of music.

[@fuhkayew4651]

Nigga what?

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

More money being spent on music than ever before... Maybe the largest companies will die but 99% of music industry is individual artists and small labels.

[@253abd]

Burn the Tubee.

[@thelastdankbender4353]

This makes me appreciate Kevin MacLeod even more.

[@kimjongoof5000]

I prefer Ultraman OST

[@lvbboi9]

Not only him I feel like all royalty free producers deserve a lot of respect

[@lvbboi9]

Not only him I feel like all royalty free producers deserve a lot of respect

[@MrJarrah94]

I would support the shit out of crowd funded legal action.

[@lettuceshredder9225]

I was extremely excited because WOW ADAM NEELY VIDEO ON A THURSDAY?? but now I'm just pissed at the UMG

[@hindigente]

Companies shouldn't be able to hoard intelectual property (only actual people and public institutions).

[@quailstudios]

I'm behind you Adam and Rick! Thank you for articulating what we have been feeling and frustrated with for a long time.

[@paulhancock1530]

I know a way around it. You could sit listening to, and analysing “So What” on in ear headphones so the video doesn’t pick the sound up, and just as you start the track, give us a nod to start our own copy, so your copy and ours sync up. Then you could talk about it and point things out about it and it would all make sense because we’d be hearing what you’re hearing. You could do a whole series of them of famous jazz recordings. I’d love to hear you go through them.

[@Copperhell144]

Oh yeah. Like commentary tracks!

[@woulg]

this a really cool idea!

[@TonyWinston]

yeah, uhhuh, sure, we all want to do that, hahaha

[@ryanguit]

I'm also totally for this. Its not like we can't get hold of the songs legally and instantly these days...

[@marianoholiveto]

This is exactly what I was about to comment (one year after... thankfully I browsed the comments beforehand). I would also we on board this idea or at least an adaptation of it. I'll agree that it is not perfect, but it is definitely better than letting groups like UMG win. And Adam, Rick and the other guys and gals could keep the monetization profits.

[@MercuryPenny]

4:56 your voice starts to waver. i can tell this whole situation really hurts for you as a teacher. it's this sort of situation that makes me despise the monopolies in power of nearly every corner of the free market.

[@antonchilinski9729]

if the legal system doesnt prevent corporations from infringing on private rights, then it ain't a free market.

[@martinkrauser4029]

Copyright and patents are directly opposed to the idea of a free market in the first place. Turns out the free market isn't all it's trumped up to be.

[@spacevspitch4028]

nikitikitano Unfortunately, in the case of humans, we're competing over the ILLUSION of limited resources. If the world's resources were reallocated evenly to all individuals, no one would be disproportionately rich but all would be taken care of.

[@Roescoe]

Copyright and patents don't help people, without them big companies wouldn't be able to patent troll the inventors, and suck money out of people for "infringement." Since the internet allows everyone to have direct access to see who's doing what, people have started to support those who create stuff. If we get rid of copyright all the little creators will be able to critique the big guys and there won't be any way to bully people out of using content. Let the public decide that someone is worthy of support, not some silly government organization who has waaay too much say in whose is whose.

[@jerryimpini]

I agree 100%. As a singer/songwriter recording artist I just transferred all of my digital assets to Sony Music Entertainment (A Major Label that actually knows what they're doing!). Universal Music is nothing more than a bunch of clueless jerks that bully other labels into selling out to them after those other labels had previously done all the work to break their artists and make them into household names. Who was responsible for breaking artists such as Billy Joel, Prince, Led Zeppelin? (just to name a few?). Sony Music, Warner Brothers, and Atlantic Records that's who! What has Universal ever done? Nothing that's what they done in the last thousand years and they will accomplish absolutely nothing in the next thousand years to come.

[@NickRosaci]

Dude, I just came across your channel this week, and it's one of the few KZbin channels where you know your stuff, can explain it with just enough technical know-how yet my students would be able to understand, and is engaging and interesting. You hit a great trifecta with this channel! Thanks so much for doing all these videos! I know this is an older video, so I don't know if you touched on it, but I'd love people to talk about the fact that UMG makes claims on public domain content as well as fair use.

[@ArcadeEraBeats]

Hey Adam, thanks for bringing more attention to this flawed system. I make beats and upload them here on youtube. Lately this company called "Ingrooves" has been flagging all of my videos and monetizing them for themselves. The way they do it is by downloading my beats when I upload them and then putting them into their pool of videos for content ID. Then they file a claim with KZbin stating that these videos belong to them and KZbin is just like whateves. It's really disheartening.

[@Inrxz]

Arcade Era Beats you would get away with a fraud claim

[@willespalazzo]

Wow, that's shady af... Surely that must be illegal?

[@sp3ctum]

Wow that is the worst thing I've heard about this system so far. Like a copyright troll.

[@yvancluet8146]

Unfortunately it isn't. Or at least youtube won't do anything about it. There was a similar case in France where a TV show used an extract from a youtube video and that youtube video was later taken down because it supposedly used some content from the copyrighted TV show...

[@yvancluet8146]

The worst is they didn't even credit him on the whos, those fuckers just wrote in a corner "Source : youtube"

[@FossilFishy]

Fuck Universal and bots they rode in on. One of my favourite memories of music school was a rhythmic breakdown of parts of Bernstein's Symphonic Dances, the instrumental version of West Side Story. The prof played the example, spent and hour pointing out subtleties and details, then turned off the lights and played it again. That second listen was mindblowing, and there would be no way to recreate that experience without hearing it.

[@TheSoundofMonday]

Thank you for giving voice to this, and for all of the work you do!

[@FeelRossly]

Thank you so much for explaining this!! It’s now on my radar.

[@mastershake9374]

Jim sterling explains this on his gaming channel. You have to include two ore more snippets that will be flaged by content ID from different companys. when there is more than one, they do not cancel each other out, but they somehow block each other. He has proved this in his videos. It is not possible to monetize such videos though..

[@FreedomIII]

I'd forgotten about that trick, but yeah, it was truly in Jim Sterling's style lol

[@jersute]

the actual issue is content id is a sample matching technology for asserting ownership. once a match happens that video gets assigned to the owner rather than the person who uploaded the video. that owner can assert just ownership and have it tagged as such in the description or they can go a step further and claim any monetization that happens for that ENTIRE video. this violates the concept of a derived work yet nobody has successfully sued youtube to have it changed. in fact the RIAA wanted it to apply to the entire video to extend their grasp and youtube capitulated for settlement cost reasons. in reality they should only be able to assert ownership for that SAMPLE SECTION of the video instead of the entire video. when multiple owners claim the same video it goes into limbo as no single owner can claim it while others are present. if content id actually worked on samples as it really should under the definitions set forth under fair use multiple samples could be automatically cleared and monetized by all parties but nope this isn't reality.

[@LynnHermione]

Or you include your own copyrighted music and copyright claim YOURSELF before anyone else can. That's what jaeguchi and other lyric video channels do

[@XMalmaTX]

Hell yes Adam Neely video on an other day than Monday ! Today was a good day!

[@BoxPossum96]

I'd be so stoked to see full compositional walkthroughs. If only...

[@rebelguy9487]

March on UMG HQ on September 19th! Who's with me!

[@nacoran]

I once had an original harmonica tune, played by me, blocked by the algorithm. (I did, at least, win the appeal). Until there is a legal penalty for flagging videos erroneously there won't be change.

[@AfferbeckBeats]

There should be a strikes system, same as it for being on the receiving end. Too many erroneous flags = your channel deactivated

[@nacoran]

Except sometimes the people issuing the complaints don't have a connected channel, and the incentives would line up wrong for KZbin. In my case, they wouldn't even tell me who issued the strike... but it could have been any random person. My song was something I'd written myself. I was the copyright holder. That means that the person who issued the strike was someone who wasn't the copyright holder. From a practical point of view all someone would have to do is create a channel for issuing takedowns and not connect it to their account. I know someone who had his video taken down with several million views. They wouldn't even tell him who issued the takedown notice. There was also a thing for a while where KZbin would give the person you issued the claim the ad revenue until the challenge was over... and you didn't get it back. I think that got straightened out at least. The problem is that in the cash game it's usually the studios that have the money. I think a good start would be to require them to put up a bond against a takedown notice. If they lose the claim they forfeit the bond to the person they issued the strike against. The downside to that would be it my be prohibitively expensive for smaller artists to make claims against bigger companies. Maybe they need something like this- KZbin clearly articulates the standard for fair use. Their algorithm flags videos like usual. The copyright holder reviews it. If they issue a strike they can issue the challenge one of two ways- with a bond or by putting up the copyright. The bond would be the obvious choice for big companies. By putting up the copyright that would let smaller artists who might not have money for a bond. If the other side still says it's fair use it is reviewed by KZbin. If KZbin finds that it was fair use the person who made the video gets the bond or the songs copyright. Even this has some flaws, although it would align the system's incentives a bit better. You could still get random takedown notices from people who don't own the copyright, like on my video.

[@tomaszwota1465]

nacoran why would you get the copyright? You mean if it's reviewed and judged to be fair use you get to keep your video and monetization as is, getting copyright of anything just doesn't make any sense.

[@nacoran]

The idea is that it may be hard for a small artist to put up the bond if someone is unfairly using their music. By letting the artist put their copyright up in place of the bond it allows them to put up something of value to prevent them from just randomly harassing people who are using snippets fairly. Ideally, this should put just enough skin in the game so people still feel confident issuing legitimate takedown requests, but that they avoid making illegitimate ones. The copyright, off the top of my head, may be the only thing of value that a small timer has of value... For instance, say I want to make a video to play the song 'Faster' by the Normanskill Saxons. I look over the fair use rules and makes sure my video meets those standards and I post it. The algorithm tags part of the video and notifies the Saxons that someone is using their song and they say 'Knock it off and take down your video'. At that point I can either agree to take it down or say, 'Woah! This is fair use!' Now the Saxons, in this system, would have a couple options. They could say, 'Okay, on second thought, we agree it's fair use.' They could put up a bond. (I'm not sure the value the bond should have. It should be large enough that even places like Sony Music actually find it worthwhile to not issue takedown notices willy-nilly. Say $2000 per violation.) What they are saying at that point is that they believe they have a strong enough case that they are willing to risk that bond if the ruling goes against them. The problem for the Saxons is that they are poor. They only ever really play open mics and they don't have the cash to put up a $2000 bond. What they do have is the rights to the song Faster. They opt to say, 'We are so confident that this is fairuse that we are willing to put our song up as collateral. If we lose, we lose the song rights.' This also serves the function of shrinking the portfolio of songs of trolls! Hopefully, once the system was in place there would be secondary organizations who might be willing to post bonds for cases they think are slam dunks. They might be non-profits or they might be a sort of industry insurance where you pay them a small fee each year and they take help you prove any strikes you issue (with your rates skyrocketing if you keep losing because your videos aren't really fair use. That would actually be a better option in most situations. Meanwhile, people who are posting videos that are clearly fair use... well, if someone gives them a strike won't back down about it, they get to keep the other sides bond (or copyright) for their trouble. There might be a way to scale the bond size, but that would take more thought. In my idea putting the copyright up as collateral would never be required, just an option in case you don't have enough money to challenge, because there are obviously legitimately times when someone puts something of yours up on the internet and you still need some sort of recourse. Obviously, if you can figure out a way to have a scalable bond that would be a better solution, but off the top of my head I can't think of a more reliable way that by comparing it directly to the value of the song that is being infringed. --- Driving in my car, singing out of key, I'm tone deaf, so it don't bother me!

[@tomaszwota1465]

nacoran ok, now I get it. Thanks for the write up. Nothing pops in my head that screams that legally it can't be done... and even if any of the sides would not agree with the outcome they could still fight it out in actual court.

[@carriersignal]

Adam, I hope you and Rick figure it out. Your channels are some of the best out there. Never give up and thank you!!

[@alcondragon]

Mr. Adam Neely. Hello to you Sir! I've just watched your video and applaud you! I also just subscribed to your channel. I'm not sure if you know Rick Beato, I recently just subscribed to his channel and have become a Beato member (20 bucks a month). I find what you guys are doing a tremendous service to all the people of the world. Music is a culture, it helps, it gives life, it heals the mind body and soul. I sent Rick a little blog about you mentioning his video about record labels..... I will go through your videos this week. So I say to you, continue what you do and I pray much success to you! We need all of you , your inspiration, your dedication and your personal messages to life, music and the great character it brings to all of us! Well Done Sir!

[@nathangamble125]

This is absolutely fair use, and they're infinging on your legal rights. Sue them! If you can't do it individually, surely we can get a class action lawsuit?

[@nagoshi01]

You should do a Patreon-only series on analyzing jazz records and upload them to something like Vimeo, or Floatplane

[@wids]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@AdamNeely]

Potentially!

[@nagoshi01]

You just got yourself another patron. I hope this works out. I'd like to see analysis on the level that 8bit Music Theory did on the Dolphin Shoals saxophone solo

[@Jakecmuir]

Adam Neely if you do I'm on board to sign up!!!

[@MrDokek]

That’s exactly what I was thinking! I would love that!

[@hfoslayer6195]

To post this in the middle of the week, you must've been really pissed Adam. The topic basically relates back to corporate greed. Unfortunately, people over the other fence don't really care much about music but I'll support you as much as I can.

[@JohannesWiberg]

An additional issue is that it's not even CLEVER greed, it's STUPID greed. What happens if Adam Neely gets to show his jazz clips for educational purposes, do they lose money? No. BUT, the listeners will probably become more interested in jazz in general and in these clips in particular. The likelihood of them making any kind of purchases that would benefit UMG RISES. This practice is counterproductive even if they're just greedy.

[@jamesjones4396]

The music industry has always been this way. They are taking advantage of a broken legal system and abusing KZbin's complacency. I'd more blame KZbin being a shitty company that doesn't take a stand for its content creators, even after all these years and all the power they've accrued. The way to fix it is to fix the law, and maybe we need to take another look at copyright and the concept of making it illegal to reproduce a piece of data.

[@alessandroarcuri209]

That video had me standing and clapping! Especially on the closing part! (Oh... nice shirt with "the riff", by the way)

[@wilbertcook5076]

Just want to thank you and Rick for trying your best to educate us into why we all love music. I guess they don’t understand that with you opening our eyes and ears to different kinds of music that it will be a wind fall of profit due to us going and buying the music to listen to on our own after. Keep up the great postings always a pleasure to see them. ✌🏻

[@Gasb92]

My country: at weddings, if people dance you have to pay the copyright holder association more money. I'm not even kidding.

[@eggboy6365]

are you italian? i remember the live music scene sucking balls in Italy because of Copyright laws, no one could afford to hire live musicians because of it! Im from Ireland, and lucky for us, our police just turn a blind eye most of the time

[@Gasb92]

Yes mate. In Italy, musicians are treated like crap. Professional musicians are often paid cash-in-hand to avoid the insanely high copyright law taxes and very few people can earn social security payments.

[@tomaszwota1465]

Does that apply to covers? I imagine if you play your own music then surely this cannot apply since the copyright is yours only? (That is unless you ceded it or parts of it in some deal with the publisher...)

[@Gasb92]

It applies to anything, because they can't really check on the spot if you play copyrighted music or not, so you have to pay for it anyway to avoid legal controversy. I know, it doesn't make sense but it's the harsh truth.

[@juanmoralesvideo]

Same here in Paraguay. Here we have an organization called something like "Associated Paraguayan Authors". You must pay them even when you play music records in a party (let's say a wedding), even when the records are not from paraguayan musicians at all.

[@WakarimasenKa]

Adam, you need to research how to do a copyright deadlock. You add more copyrighted material to the videos from another overzealous copyright holder and have them block each other from claiming the video. Ideally you need someone who is more likely to leave it up but who will insist on monetizing it for themselves. Jim Sterling has had success with this approach.

[@AdamNeely]

The big problem with this is that Universal Music Group owns most classic jazz recordings! No way to deadlock a monopoly!

[@Malandirix]

Adam Neely Yeah but just add random clips from films and play Chains of Love.

[@Einvestigator96]

Would it work if you put some random copyright material at the end of each video, just for the sake of this?

[@NerdDUBstepO]

WakarimasenKa Use Vidme if you are really trying to change the world of music

[@1331scythe]

This prevents Adam from getting any ad revenue. It works for Jim Sterling because he doesn't want to monetize the Jimquisition.

[@jigsaw1181]

You are a F@cking Legend Mr Neely. An amazing teacher. Your passion for music is profound. I am bending the proverbial knee, and pledge allegiance to the cause. Your presentation was powerful. I promise you we will do something about this. I’ll be in touch with details. Kind Regards Prometheus Bones

[@EpicGamer-kw9cm]

166 dislikes are from the heads of UMG getting upset about people calling them out

[@Joeayresphotography]

There's a potential way you could get around the issue of you talking about a jazz track, without having to play it in your video. You could record commentary without the track in your video but get people to open a new tab or use the YT doubler website. Put time stamps in to correspond to the particular section of the track you're talking about. Least then you'll stay monetised and shouldn't face the wrath of UMG or others.

[@Smokeyfjord10]

This is kind of what Red Letter Media does with their commentary tracks

[@danikainq6494]

Yeah, that's actually a good idea. Adam could give a link to a Spotify recording, for example, and there's no risk music would be deleted from there.

[@AfferbeckBeats]

Yeah, solutions like that are possible, but would dramatically slash the amount of viewers because a lot of people won't be bothered to that. For example the channel Jaboody Dubs does MST3K style movie dubs, but on KZbin it's only an audio track, and you have to be watching the movie separately of your own accord. Those videos get barely any views compared to their regular videos you can watch just by clicking on them.

[@danikainq6494]

Then how about just making a freaking podcast, same as with the Q&As? (There is a Q&A podcast, right?)

[@NotRightMusic]

Thanks Adam! Well said. I whole heartily agree with all said in this video. I teach music full time and believe that nothing beats a one on one weekly music lesson in person. I do a lot of music listening with my students, and like many aspects of teaching music, I couldn't imagine doing the listening without the student there to spark the conversation with questions and comments, and helping me understand how they react to it. I'm not a full time KZbin music educator like Adam and Rick - though I do put up the occasional video on teaching some weird musical things. So, I'm always amazed at how people like them can break through the barrier of teaching to a camera and successfully get their lessons across. Perhaps this problem with UMG is simply another barrier that needs to be worked around. I have no solution. I'm totally old school do ing listening sessions in my classroom with students present. Good luck y'all!

[@Izzy1782]

Not Right Music Have you tried advertising your lessons as old school? Might bring some new faces to ya of people fed up with this crap

[@Corai12]

Great video. Wow! Thanks so much!

[@MarianoGabrielConti]

This is so important, first the laws but most important than that it's the fact that you can learn certain things with a teacher, thanks!

[@deep_fried_analysis]

Same thing with Stockholm University, where i study biology, where teachers are not allowed to share descriptive pictures FOR THE PURPOSE OF LEARNING because they are bound to copyright laws.... It's just destructive

[@disaprimat]

what? that's ridiculous

[@TA_Kaprekar]

Another youtube channel, Jim Sterling, found a way to get around Content ID claims - the copyright deadlock. You deliberately use several pieces of copyrighted footage, so the video get's flagged for several companies. You still won't make money off of the video, but those greedy bastards can't make money off your work either.

[@RickBeato]

I tried that but UMG owns everything I want to play!

[@fudgesauce]

Rick, you and Adam both need to pump out some original, copyrighted songs. Then each of you include an excerpt of one of the other party's songs. If UMG files a claim, then your counterpart also files a claim against your video to cause the deadlock.

[@georgf9279]

Just use current top 50 songs as intro and outro.

[@thestonegoose]

Georg F I don't wanna hear that crap!

[@imannonymous7707]

I really aplaud you man and i empathise with you too. I wish i could get to hear everything you have to offer . Im subn you today

[@jayrichard5358]

Thank you man. From one small music teacher just doing private guitar lessons to a massive musical genius such as yourself. I appriciate you speaking on this. Maybe one day I'll get my students some videos on youtube. But not in this climate. No dang way...

[@dentoncrimescene]

Could you upload a lesson backwards and we play it the other way to listen to it?

[@vidrogic1499]

brilliant

[@draevonmay7704]

dentoncrimescene That’s way too complicated. It assumes that viewers are going to download every video, put it into software, flip the video and sound, and watch it.

[@draevonmay7704]

dentoncrimescene It’s way easier to slightly pitch adjust the recordings and then change the speed, to say, 1/2, and then tell everyone to play it at 2x speed.

[@dalilagodinez7269]

We need an h3h3 for music

[@richardhunter9779]

A debunker? That's Levi Clay.

[@AfferbeckBeats]

It needs to be a MATTER OF LAW

[@henrikhyrup3995]

Me: *breathes* Universal Music Group: *OMG musicians do the same* **swings banhammer**

[@SalAveNU]

I just saw this post on the page of a little coffee shop in Keyport NJ. "It must be noted that tonight’s open mic will be the last where cover songs can be performed. Starting next week, it’s originals only. This is because the performance rights organizations fees have been raised and are now un-affordable by the establishment." This place is called Espresso Joe's in Keyport NJ. If you really packed the place you'd get about 3 dozen people in there. On top of what is happening on KZbin, Now you also have the recording industry squeezing little places like this for money. The record companies are digging their own graves.

[@KjellEilertsen]

How bout not using KZbin for these videos? I know other music tutors who have moved to different platforms because they got sick of videos getting claimed, granted these platforms doesn't have the reach of KZbin but putting up a video on here advertising your course on another platform should get you some traffic... In any case, I agree it sucks, good luck :)

[@EphemeralTao]

UMG does this across all major platforms, not just KZbin. They get stuff kicked off of Dailymotion all the time as well. They're probably the biggest KZbin competitor out there, but don't have anywhere near the user base.

[@RealNovgorod]

They still want the juicy youtube money though and don't have the balls to counter-DMCA the false claim.

[@AnarchistMetalhead]

Bitchute the site that doesn"t need to host videos, but plays videos linked from webtorrents

[@MrYowen88]

what about D-tube... of course it wouldn't get anywhere near as many views... most people haven't heard of D-tube. But you'd get to keep the 3$ you'd make!!!

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

If you are on the internet then your reach is the same as every other site. Traffic is where the sites differ.

[@AfferbeckBeats]

Copyright law is supposed to protect rights holders from others claiming their work as their own, profiting from it, damaging the reputation of the legitimate rights holder, etc. It is NOT for big corporations to shit on people for using their IP in clear cases of free use because they happened to use 30 seconds of a song in their video. As if that could possibly harm them as rights holders. If they all stopped pulling this bullshit, they'd actually make a ton more money. Who's more likely to buy that Miles Davis album? The viewer who heard someone talk about it in a video? Or a viewer who was walked through sections of it by a knowledgeable music teacher in a video and now has a strong appreciation for it? Crazy how they're so greedy it manages to get in the way of them actually making more money...

[@Kasmyr]

yo that was what I was thinking about. Seriously, I wonder what type of person will come check a video just for listenning a minute of a song so he doesn't pay it when you can directly download them easily

[@RichardGlatfelter]

I am just coming up to speed on this issue. I just wrote to UMG. I hate UMG and KZbin is not serving the public well.

[@jaredbeard5992]

THIS CANT GO ON FOREVER!!! COMMON SENSE MUST PREVAIL eventually....for real...I feel your pain...

[@angelmints]

Well, maybe it wouldn’t be as engaging but you could show us sheet music and point us to specific times (mm:ss) on music videos already on youtube to listen to what you’re showing.

[@rocksfinalstand]

Anna Macacchero Detoni Or tell us to open up spotify, and both Adam and the audience listen to both song and the video at the same time. This way he could point us in the right direction while we listen.

[@p3porro]

I was thinking the same. It could be a workaround

[@rainerschnelle1]

That is a very useful idea. When I learned Jazz my teachers hardly ever played the music for me, but pointed out specific records and had me listen to them on my own. Today this is easier than ever, with KZbin, Spotify and other sites. I don't quite see the big problem.

[@pvanukoff]

The problem is that it's bullshit. UMG wouldn't lose a dime to allow snippets of music to be used in educational videos. In fact, they might make more money because more people would be exposed to the music in question.

[@angelmints]

Paul Vanukoff that wouldn’t happen if he, as I said, just showed sheet music and told us where to listen to the parts he’s showing.

[@kariboo84]

maybe 432hz comes from a near futur where 440hz is the intellectual property of universal music...

[@AfferbeckBeats]

You have been demonetised for: Vibrating the air in order to cause aural stimulation (patented by UMG)

[@rowanhollingsworth5231]

More proof the nazis invented 440hz to make everybody angery

[@weatheranddarkness]

@@rowanhollingsworth5231 Nazi: uses 440hz -it is very effective. -take 58 demonitization -lose all defence on subsequent turns -any subsequent attack roll to be read no higher than 2

[@kirk8481]

Damnit you're a hero Neely please keep doing what you're doing

[@neerithedragon298]

HA! After 30 seconds I had a flash back to when I was working in a kitchen and a very good chef taught me what to 'taste' when I put food in my mouth. It's all so awesomely similar!

[@StephenTack]

This is about how angry I got a few years back when BMI (and others) killed all the open mics and small venues in town (including the fun coffee shop open mic I was running) with letters threatening to sue the establishment for having live music to which they owned the rights, preformed on premises...of course BMI has zero proof such songs were even played, but they have the money and lawyers. Killed a healthy, creative ameture music scene :-(

[@MattMusicianX]

Stephen Tack daaaaaaaaamn! So totally f___ed up!!!

[@chunga668]

ASCAP/BMI is attacking clubs in my city recently. The bar owners are shutting down live music like crazy because of the high permit fees. It's extortion.

[@fattommy4436]

Are you kidding??? What country do you live in?

[@chunga668]

tbasstreble Cleveland, OH... No joke. They shut down the longest running blues jam in the city this year. (35 years) among other things. Small bar couldn't pay the back fees. $1-2,000 per year usually.

[@fattommy4436]

+Ross Nielsen That is extortion! I can't believe they would pay that at all! No original artists would even see a cent of that money anyway! It's fascism. It's an assault on creativity and artistic expression, and the community's camaraderie through venues like that. It's a bloody open mike, not a ticketed event! Where the hell does the line get drawn for people to enjoy themselves without some prick corporation given authority to shake them down for it? Ugh. This makes me SO angry.

[@CashlessCaptures]

I bet if someone could make a Change.org petition and the lot of you guys gave it exposure, something could be done... A video where all of the heavy hitters in the KZbin music world articulate this stuff could easily go viral on Facebook within the music education community and others. All the bad press might put a little pressure on UMG to change for monetary reasons if not morals.

[@bobgreen1236]

"The lick" on a T shirt......love it!

[@gdu99]

It would be amazing to have you walking us through different solos and tunes, such a shame you're not able to do this ... :(

[@sametzweiler2630]

Is that a “the lick” shirt

[@LL-pw7hd]

Hi Adam, I might have an Idea as to how you could teach your audience: Start your video with an introduction, clearly stating the name of the song and the version to which you are referring, tell the people to go and find that recording (spotify, apple Music, youtube, the pirate Bay...). wear Headphones and tell your audience to start the song when you say so. that way you and your audience start the song at the same time and virtually hear the same thing. you can point out everything you want as long as you don't stop the recording. No music on youtube so no red flags... Not a perfect solution but an easy one - and immediately available. I'd love to hear what you could tell me about legendary Jazz recordings! Cheers, Leo

[@TonyWinston]

hahaha yeah right

[@jamjox9922]

This idea has a lot of problems. For one, syncing. It would be impossible for you and Adam to be on the same exact start everytime. Not to mention, there are times when you just need to recover ONE part of a song over and over again, to make multiple points. This would be a living hell. Pressing pause on him, going to pause your song, pressing play on his video--going back to your song. It will just get in the way of learning. Learning is a pain in the ass unto itself; the key is to simplify it and leave as much unnecessary work out of it.

[@manikraina2154]

We are with you,Rick and all our fellow music educators.

[@scottmckenna9164]

You just picked up a new subscriber, Adam! I am in agreement with you about the unfair and frustrating power of the music industry.

[@AlKey3]

Well, you Could do what other online Educators have done, which is to monetize premium content available directly through your website. KZbin becomes a funnel for your customer base. Those who want the free stuff can still get it and learn what they might. And those that are willing to compensate you directly for your hard work in creating detailed content will do so.

[@cesarbravo822]

There are too many MBAs in this world

[@TheArtofSongs]

I'm totally with you on this. You can check before hand which songs you have permission to use on KZbin. However there are so many important songs within music history that we aren't allowed to use. I stopped doing analysis of artists work on KZbin largely because of how frustrating KZbins algorithm is. Hopefully in the future this will change, but for now it's incredibly frustrating for those of us trying to educate others, and for those who want to be educated

[@syrinx8311]

Very enlightening, something to think about. Also got a kick out of the Evanescence bit. Well done.

[@oleg-avdeev]

Adam, hi! Have you thought about starting a podcast about analysing these compositions? This way you will not have to deal with content id system, and I feel like the audio version of this experience might even be in some ways better than KZbin version

[@Alex-dn7jq]

KZbin: "Category: education" UMG: *claims the video* KZbin: Can't argue with that 🤷‍♂️

[@benperschall6648]

Thanks for speaking up about this.

[@THEdavidschockett]

I recently did such a similar video - an ORIGINAL song of mine was taken down because of some music rights holder in another country misattributed the video content (which I had also bought fairly through a third party) was theirs. Luckily they dropped their claim within 24 hours when I showed them proof I had bought the video content myself, but I was furious to find exactly what you said - that THEY were the arbiters themselves. This is absolute lunacy and puts us very overtly back in an age when law is nothing more than who has power. The fact that my original content could be taken down by literally anyone with no recourse by me is despicable. Thanks so much for talking about this, and I hope that you can join forces with other youtube creators to make much more of a stink about it.

[@skyborax5159]

It’s ironic because they’re benefiting from music education.

[@jinjunliu2401]

That's a long term benefit though, but I guess they know that their time isn't long anymore so banking on the short term profit is what they're going for in their last moments.

[@bobby43rocks]

You should do it on live streams and play it from ur phone or a speaker

[@dope1725]

Thanks for the info.

[@Vokalplus]

Thank you Adam!

[@claussenmusic]

you're welcome

[@MattsMusic]

Lol only 2 comments…

[@mikelewis495]

Suggestion, as a work-around. This is way more work than it should be, but it might work... Maybe make a video where you reference the recording by timestamp and have the viewer look up the track on spotify or whatever.

[@lred1383]

Not hard at all. Use the KZbin music videos, and put links to them with timestamps in the description.

[@brandonm7952]

LRed13 Sure but he shouldn’t have to you know?

[@lred1383]

@@brandonm7952 Well yeah, of course it sucks that he can't play clips of songs, but if that's the situation we're in, the solution isn't all that time consuming, especially compared to some of the other things that Adam has done for his vids.

[@vezzosetto]

"This sort of thing will never happen in online music education" - I'd add to that: on KZbin.

[@hombreenojado]

And an AWESOME video it was!

[@mikehart4742]

Great video! Cancelling all of my streaming services as of today!