What if a Fool Has the Launch Codes? | The Cuban Missile Crisis I Day 06

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@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
There are a few interesting reasons why we use Paris to simulate nuclear impact (beyond pulling Parisians' collective leg). The city is landlocked and has no significant topographic features in and around the city that will alter the shock wave. It's fairly symmetrically circular and she has a concentrated multimillion population. The sprawling suburbs gradually end in countryside, and then at equidistance in all four compass directions there are other relatively large cities. Last but not least, everyone has an idea of what Paris is, even those who haven't been there. All of these factors contribute to Paris being ideal to illustrate nuclear shock, which is of course also why it would one of the worst cities in the world that could be hit, measured in casualties relative to force of destination. Simply put, more people would die per kiloton of explosive power than most other multimillion cities of the world. Therefore, it tis not on lay we, but many other documentations and works dealing with illustrating nuclear force that use Paris. . *RULES OF CONDUCT* STAY CIVIL AND POLITE we will delete any comments with personal insults, or attacks. AVOID PARTISAN POLITICS AS FAR AS YOU CAN we reserve the right to cut off vitriolic debates. HATE SPEECH IN ANY DIRECTION will lead to a ban. RACISM, XENOPHOBIA, OR SLAMMING OF MINORITIES will lead to an immediate ban. PARTISAN REVISIONISM, ESPECIALLY HOLOCAUST AND HOLODOMOR DENIAL will lead to an immediate ban. THE PROMOTION OF EXTREME, VIOLENT IDEOLOGIES IS ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN This includes the justification, or promotion of ideologies, regimes, and systems that have historically or are inherently contrary to the principles of democracy and human rights. To be clear some of these ideologies are Naziism, Fascism, Colonialism, Imperialism, Leninism, Stalinism, Revolutionary Socialism, Integral Nationalism and any other ideology that promotes authoritarianism, and a disregard for inalienable individual rights as outlined in the UDHR. Regimes that fall under this rule are for example: Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, the British Empire, Colonial France, pre-emancipation USA, Imperial Japan, Communist China, the USSR and any similar systems and regimes. While an academic discussion of these ideologies and regimes is permitted, even desired, any value statements or comparative posts to extoll their positive sides will be deleted, and may lead to a ban. . Here’s why: It is objectively true that the authoritarian regimes we cover in our series, be they far-left or far-right, were willing to use systematic oppression, violence, and murder to create or maintain their preferred system of governance. From the perspective of human rights, democracy, and plain decency, this is clearly unacceptable. Now, that is, of course, a morally absolute statement based on 21st-century morals and ethics. Therefore, in our content, we refrain from any such judgement and just tell the story as it is. We’re concerned only with the past. We don’t take sides, and we don’t decide which side deserves more blame than the other. Our comment section, however, is not taking place in the past. Our comments are made in the present-day, and political comments such as the ones we don’t allow are promoting a present-day agenda by whitewashing, diminishing, or even justifying the crimes of a past regime. We will not allow for such rhetoric in the same way most democratic European countries (where we create this content) won’t allow for such rhetoric. As historians, our very work depends on this so that we can continue interrogating the past free from political influence.
@leonpomme-epine2742
@leonpomme-epine2742 4 жыл бұрын
Living in Paris, it's definitely evocative to me watching everything being destroyed in a 300 km wide range.
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, finally a Paris explanation
@majormononoke8958
@majormononoke8958 4 жыл бұрын
"we refrain from any such judgement and just tell the story as it is" THumbnail : In the Foreground we see Fidel Castro seemingly between the in the backround mixing colors of the Soviet union, the united states and poossible the Cuban Flag in the center. As such the cuban colors and Fidel are in the middle. On the left side we see a light depiction of a "CHE" graffiti clearly on the red and left side of the cuban flag, possible being on the soviet side. Titel :What if a Fool Has the Launch Codes? | The Cuban Missile Crisis I Day 06 ... So certainly Fidel could be interpretated as a fool or an other possiblity is he will be among the (first) victims of "such" fool...
@Fellknauel
@Fellknauel 4 жыл бұрын
paris is built on top of a swampy riverbank, I wonder what that would entail down the line.
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 4 жыл бұрын
"Simply put, more people would die per kiloton of explosive power than most other multimillion cities of the world." I have grave doubts about that assertion. Geographic considerations are probably less important than population density, and (without doing a ton of research) Paris is way behind many other cities in that regard. Drop a nuke on Manilla (less than half the size of Paris in terms of footprint, but still around 1.8 million people compared to 2.3 million in Paris) and you'll probably kill a higher percentage of its people even if raw numbers are lower. Drop the same bomb on Baghdad and you'll probably kill more than the entire population of Paris in one go - it's twice the footprint but has well over 6 million victims. And Mumbai has around six time the footprint but over 19 million people, many of whom might survive the detination only to die in the coming days and weeks amidst the ruined infrastructure of what's left of the city. Face it, Paris gets used in nuclear weapon demos a lot because it's shaped the way it is. You can draw pretty circles of what will be caught in each zone of destruction without having to worry about bare patches and population variance as much as other cities that would, in reality, suffer mire due to population size, density and dependence on infrastructure for both supplies and evacuation.
@thexalon
@thexalon 4 жыл бұрын
"We'll always have Paris." - Rick Blaine "Not if I can help it." - Indy Neidel
@farqitol
@farqitol 4 жыл бұрын
thexalon 😂😂😂
@Cjnw
@Cjnw 4 жыл бұрын
The Chainsmokers have left the chat
@blackore64
@blackore64 4 жыл бұрын
Man, Indy really has a beef with Paris.
@luxembourgishempire2826
@luxembourgishempire2826 4 жыл бұрын
😂 it used to be with Luxembourg as he never mentioned us but now it's Paris. 😂😂😂
@shatter382
@shatter382 4 жыл бұрын
It's because Paris has in effect the most dense population of any European, or American city. It produces the biggest numbers with the smallest yields. For example if you dropped a 100kt bomb on London it would produce about half the fatalities of Paris. Overall i think the series has probably overstated the danger of nukes (maybe not a bad thing). There is a reason the USSR peaked at nearly 40,000 nukes, and really the answer is that the 200-300 nukes countries like China, France, and the UK have are not enough to wipe out Russia or the west. Sure they'll probably create more casualties in 1 day than the soviets took in the entire of world war 2, but 200 nukes is unlikely to even take out 1/3 of the us population. Probably far far less.
@MacakPodSIjemom
@MacakPodSIjemom 4 жыл бұрын
@@shatter382 I think Moscow is even more dense. Why not throw the bomb there?
@sse_weston4138
@sse_weston4138 4 жыл бұрын
@@shatter382 I don't think it's so much of an overstatement, but a more clear example of how to see the capabilities of a particular bomb thanks to that dense population. For instance a range for explosive testing with positions here or there, spread out say half a kilometre, to measure the range of damage and killing capability would be far less accurate rather than testing positions every meter. Overkill, but much more accurate to get an idea of how destructive and deadly a bomb can be :)
@captaindak5119
@captaindak5119 4 жыл бұрын
@@MacakPodSIjemom Paris is flat, roughly circular and the transition from urban to rural ares is even in all directions.
@ddoyle11
@ddoyle11 4 жыл бұрын
Content like this makes you want to throw rocks at supposed historical tv channels. Very well done.
@MacakPodSIjemom
@MacakPodSIjemom 4 жыл бұрын
What history channels are there today? There used to be History channel and Viasat History, but they both turned into reality TV.
@cuber5003
@cuber5003 4 жыл бұрын
Even rocks contain more history than the history channel these days.
@v.sandrone4268
@v.sandrone4268 4 жыл бұрын
Who else will tell us about how aliens built monuments?
@garretth8224
@garretth8224 4 жыл бұрын
@@MacakPodSIjemom If you consider bs about aliens as reality
@slundgr
@slundgr 3 жыл бұрын
@@MacakPodSIjemom Correct. I can’t remember the last time I watched History channel.
@Thissa96
@Thissa96 4 жыл бұрын
The line of curtis about the apeasement of munich was a direct dig at jfk personally. This was because john's father was the american ambassador in england at that time and the facilitator of that apeasement policy. It was a way of saying against jfk that he was making the same dumb error his dad made but worse
@notyetsilenced9746
@notyetsilenced9746 4 жыл бұрын
I lived through this as a child. I had no idea how close we came to complete annihilation. Another great series from Timeghost!
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 4 жыл бұрын
The presence of tactical nuclear weapons - and the rules of engagement for using them - is a huge eye opener for me personally. Popular history sources tend to focus on the risk of nuclear war involving strategic weapons, and the risk that one of the sides would press the big red button and start WWIII. But it was a heck of a lot more likely that if an invasion took place, some local commander with a twitchy finger would have kicked the whole thing off. We really dodged a bullet here.
@Hebdomad7
@Hebdomad7 4 жыл бұрын
Oh you think this missile crisis was bad? You should see how close we came in the 1980s
@marinazagrai1623
@marinazagrai1623 4 жыл бұрын
notyet...it was, unfortunately, propitious for both the US and the USSR to make people think doom was close. It is perfect propaganda for both to continue nuclear armament (in the 60s). Nothing catastrophic was going to happen as it was useless to kill so many. You remember, no doubt, the Chernobyl incident, and that was an accident. I wasn't born yet during that era but I lived in a former Soviet Bloc country.
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@robert48044
@robert48044 4 жыл бұрын
neither lava lamp is working today, Reds need a break today
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 4 жыл бұрын
3:58 again with Paris It’s really cool that you have original recordings to use for these video, makes it all on the next level.
@grathian
@grathian 10 ай бұрын
Speaking as a retired USN surface warfare officer, the American frigates did have two types of nucs - Terrier BT-N anti-aircraft missiles, and ASROC anti-submarine missiles, but no tactical nuclear cruise missiles. Most of the destroyers also carried ASROC. On two earlier vids, you mentioned the Komar class guided missile patrol boats supplied to Cuba. They were never nuclear capable.
@mdaily318
@mdaily318 4 жыл бұрын
It is disgusting and terrifying the complete disregard for life that both sides had. Not once have we heard them (world leaders) discuss how it would affect the people of their nation and other nation(s). Thank you for this video, amazing as always.
@NVRAMboi
@NVRAMboi 4 ай бұрын
Hate I've found this special series so late (2024). It's very well done and up to TimeGhost Standards. It's easy now in 2024 to look back at the mentalities of the key figures in this "Incident". As with Churchill and FDR and Truman, the weight of responsibility on JFK is beyond my grasp. Curtis LeMay (aka "Old Iron Ass") is a hammer. Every enemy looks like a nail to him. Don't get me wrong - a great general and very smart man but hammer gonna hammer. He did have enough self-awareness in WWII to realize that IF the Allies had lost the war, he'd be tried as a war criminal. He was very good at his job; breaking things and killing the enemy. Thanks Ghost Army!
@jjeherrera
@jjeherrera 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting to be able to hear General Curtis LeeMay in person! Of course I've read for years about him, but I had never heard him. Thanks for such a great material!
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 4 жыл бұрын
That was interesting, but I couldn't help but picture him riding a nuclear bomb down to its target while screaming YEE-HAW!!!!! Thanks for the mental image, Dr. Strangelove. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZbHmmWNoNdoj6s
@jjeherrera
@jjeherrera 4 жыл бұрын
@@Raskolnikov70 Actually he's rather Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@elmersbalm5219
@elmersbalm5219 4 жыл бұрын
Listening to EXCOM generals feels like Kubrick's film on the bomb.
@captaindak5119
@captaindak5119 4 жыл бұрын
Dr Strangelove?
@Geoduck.
@Geoduck. 4 жыл бұрын
Wing Attack Plan R please.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 4 жыл бұрын
"No fighting in the war room!", lol... Classic.
@gianniverschueren870
@gianniverschueren870 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know why but this tie reminds me of a corporate logo. Maybe for a tech startup or something. 2/5
@spartacus-olsson
@spartacus-olsson 4 жыл бұрын
ROFL
@Darwinek
@Darwinek 4 жыл бұрын
Come on, Gianni, the tie deserves at least 3/5.
@gianniverschueren870
@gianniverschueren870 4 жыл бұрын
@@Darwinek My grades are always open for discussion. I'm also never wrong
@dragonstormdipro1013
@dragonstormdipro1013 4 жыл бұрын
Seems the Soviet general Malinovski is the only sane person in the entire circus
@morisco56
@morisco56 4 жыл бұрын
And that soviet submarine comander who I forgot the name
@dragonstormdipro1013
@dragonstormdipro1013 4 жыл бұрын
@@morisco56 Vasily Arkiphov
@BigBoss-sm9xj
@BigBoss-sm9xj 4 жыл бұрын
It’s fucking nuts thinking about it
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 4 жыл бұрын
@@morisco56 We'll get to him ^^
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, neither Khruschev nor Kennedy were too keen on using the nukes either.
@MundaneDave
@MundaneDave 4 жыл бұрын
Binge watched every episode so far. Great stuff!! A lot of respect to Malinovski. Solid philosophy on the purpose of a good sword. Not rattling it or using it offensively, but strengthening it. Very few military leaders ever hold that kind of principle.
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for support Dave!
@TheLyf007
@TheLyf007 4 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this.. day 6 and I'm loving this series
@51germa96
@51germa96 4 жыл бұрын
I too
@saracuda1
@saracuda1 3 жыл бұрын
I am one of the last survivors stationed on Garden Key in the Dry Tortugas during the Cuban Crisis. We were the closest land based personnel to Cuba jamming and monitoring Russian communications and keeping an eye on surface ships and subs. We did not know there were four subs with nuke torpedoes. Apparently our mission is still secret since I've never seen or heard anything about it anywhere. Exciting times. I was with the CIA then and later in Berlin and Vietnam.
@skyflier8955
@skyflier8955 4 жыл бұрын
Thank y’all for boosting the original audio levels. It’s much more enjoyable to watch than the previous episodes.
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Great, thanks
@Wolfeson28
@Wolfeson28 4 жыл бұрын
Listening to this episode certainly helps me to see why Guns of August was weighing so much on Kennedy's mind during this crisis. I've read that book several times, and this issue of preparations and mobilizations for war gathering their own momentum and inexorably leading into war, this issue of the reflexive prearranged plans becoming impossible to stop once they're set in motion, and of the military leaders insisting that the plans cannot be stopped once started without condemning their nation to defeat, is *exactly* what Guns of August describes taking place on all sides in 1914. "If you want peace, prepare for war," as the old saying goes, and it's true that Kennedy did need to initiate preparations for war in case diplomatic efforts failed. And yet, we always seem to forget the danger of those plans for war themselves being what shatters the peace.
@danam0228
@danam0228 4 жыл бұрын
So cool, the audio tapes available now and included here.
@657449
@657449 4 жыл бұрын
I'm old enough to remember Ed Sullivan hugging Fidel Castro and saying how a great a guy he was. Old enough to remember Elvis Presley performing with the screen blocked so you couldn't see his hips.
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 4 жыл бұрын
The thing about Castro is that he was an incredibly charismatic guy by all accounts, able to win almost anybody over on a personal level. Hell, he ended up _bedding_ one of the many assassins sent by the CIA to kill him.
@lovablesnowman
@lovablesnowman 4 жыл бұрын
@@ArkadiBolschek I'm sure the fact he was a brutal dictator in total control of Cuba had no impact on the "decision" of those women to sleep with him
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 4 жыл бұрын
@@lovablesnowman Considering that this specific woman eventually hooked up with _another_ brutal dictator, Marcos Pérez of Venezuela, that may have had something to do with it, yeah.
@carledwardvincent7131
@carledwardvincent7131 4 жыл бұрын
There should be a thumbs up for a whole series. You're keeping us in the day-to-day suspense -thoroughly realistic!
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Carl!
@elzarcho
@elzarcho 4 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was out there on the USS Fort Snelling (an LSD) waiting for the signal to invade. This crisis was real to me already, but it's been great to go through it in real-time with you. Fail to remember, doomed to repeat and all that.
@tomservo56954
@tomservo56954 2 жыл бұрын
Your grandfather was on LSD?
@laysdong
@laysdong 4 жыл бұрын
Joint chiefs prove to be totally incompetent here. A classic case of the hammer thinking every problem looks like a nail
@captaindak5119
@captaindak5119 4 жыл бұрын
They really disappointed me.
@kirant
@kirant 4 жыл бұрын
I would agree. You can see how they reached their conclusions (that is, they see war as inevitable and diplomacy doomed to fail...so following that logic, the only question is whether you want to use the initiative to deliver an early decisive blow. And they decided yes...because having nukes launched at you is not fun). But it seems their decisions are driven by not seeing the potential validity in the opposite side. That is, it seems they discounted the possibility that negotiating an exit for the missiles might be possible. While it's probably important to have such warhawks on council to prepare if such an inevitability comes to pass, it's also fair to say that their stances didn't align with reality. Which is probably why they are just a few voices of many there to help guide Kennedy's decision making process. Having that balance between advice from them and Stevenson is very worthwhile so you can see where each party lies and where their own internal biases may play a role in decision making.
@Ugly_German_Truths
@Ugly_German_Truths 4 жыл бұрын
It's also their job to suggest the military solutions most adequate to the situation (including what grim results they might bring with them like expected victim numbers!) whereas political and diplomatic methods are not in their direct toolbox and there are other advisors for that. Basically... it is the Military it is supposed to only be a hammer. TO know WHEN to hammer down on the dratted nail, screw, thumb or cherrybomb is not the hammer's job.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 4 жыл бұрын
As someone said in another comment elsewhere, the military's job is to be a pitbull on a leash, with the civilian leadership holding the other end of it. None of what the joint chiefs said is right or wrong or "incompetent", it's simply one perspective that JFK had to take into consideration when making decisions. If he had allowed them to overly influence the political decisions being made instead of sticking to the military side of things that would have been a distaster, knowing what we know now. But JFK wisely chose the diplomatic route, against the wishes of the generals, and we're better off because of it.
@Death_Korps_Officer
@Death_Korps_Officer 4 жыл бұрын
Nobody: Indy: "If bombed in Paris" I loved how that became a meme.
@MajSolo
@MajSolo 4 жыл бұрын
I watch all timeghost content but this serie is the most intense thank you
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@TheExecutorr
@TheExecutorr 4 жыл бұрын
nothing but respect for Malinovsky. This man has seen and fought more wars than anyone else. When someone like him is an outspoken pacifist, you better listen to what he has to say.
@randyherbrechtsmeier4796
@randyherbrechtsmeier4796 4 жыл бұрын
I Remember when this happened. I had my Plastic Helicopter ready. All the Men Stood in front of the Timex Store watching the Ticker Tape Banner News and Talking about What to do. Most Old War Vets Wanted War. Im Glad JFK Used Diplomacy we wouldnt be here. I Saw JFK in August of 1960 at the Ballpark. He wanted to be President. I went home and used a whole tube of Brillcreem trying to Look like him. Never Worked. Thanks Indy For this Trip down Memory lane.
@509Gman
@509Gman 4 жыл бұрын
I’d like to think the “old war vets” would actually know better than to wish for war, but I see my fellow war vets of my generation salivate at the thought of heads being cracked in Iran (not by them personally of course, darn these broken knees, 😉 😉) all too often.
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Randy, sometimes we forget that, despite how much the world has changed, this is all still so recent.
@randyherbrechtsmeier4796
@randyherbrechtsmeier4796 4 жыл бұрын
@@TimeGhost Thanks Fellows. In my Grandmas Lifetime things Changed. From Homesteading in Wagons to Landing on the Moon. Today Weve Hardly Changed since the Late 60s. Only Differences are Cell Phones, TV not Free and Education is Terrible. Thanks to Folk Like You are Teaching the Youth. Nobel Enterprise
@6412mars
@6412mars 4 жыл бұрын
I know this crisis but this has you on the edge of your seat! hanging on every word! Riveting! Absolutely great historic stuff going on here! Well done Guys!!
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks to the TimeGhost Army for making it possible :)
@JLHFans
@JLHFans 4 жыл бұрын
I saw the series you made about this crisis 2 years ago, and used to read a LOT too of course. But the conversations ... i hardly heard them before , just read about them. This makes it really interesting, when and what Kennedy and his ministers and staffs said.
@philiphied
@philiphied 4 жыл бұрын
This series had been fantastic. Loving Indy's outfit.
@stephengalindo6340
@stephengalindo6340 4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else think Steve Buchemi from "The Death of Stalin" when they hear Khrushchev?
@RGInquisitor
@RGInquisitor 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I can't stop imagining how the meetings about these events would be happening with the cast of that movie.
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@prajwalpingali
@prajwalpingali 4 жыл бұрын
I can only hear it in his voice
@davidp.7620
@davidp.7620 4 жыл бұрын
@@RGInquisitor if it were the full cast, Stalin included, you wouldn't be able to imagine anything
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 4 жыл бұрын
Not me. He does a great job in that film, but he looks _nothing_ like Khruschev.
@fredhoupt4078
@fredhoupt4078 4 жыл бұрын
Super reportage
@luxembourgishempire2826
@luxembourgishempire2826 4 жыл бұрын
Rip the world
@Darwinek
@Darwinek 4 жыл бұрын
#mentionluxembourg
@cameronash5492
@cameronash5492 4 жыл бұрын
This is a cool series!
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Cameron!
@luciusgarvous
@luciusgarvous 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why or how. But the intro song is just so Cold War and spy like. I love it.
@weltvonalex
@weltvonalex 4 жыл бұрын
You guys are amazing, I can't repeat it often enough.
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
And we can't hear it often enough 😉
@gaslitworldf.melissab2897
@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 4 жыл бұрын
Love the relaxed way you fashioned your suit. Suits the era, less formal.
@undolf4097
@undolf4097 4 жыл бұрын
This play by play really gets you into a headspace of how close we came to war
@podemosurss8316
@podemosurss8316 4 жыл бұрын
This series is really interesting, and you are doing a fantastic job!
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@podemosurss8316
@podemosurss8316 4 жыл бұрын
@@TimeGhost It's true, and makes me think on how near we were to total destruction.
@cybersquire
@cybersquire 4 жыл бұрын
This is really good stuff. Congrats to Indy and team for another outstanding production!
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@saadniazi9875
@saadniazi9875 4 жыл бұрын
The itro music is perfect
@senseiadam-brawlstars9465
@senseiadam-brawlstars9465 4 жыл бұрын
amazing content
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sensei!
@nicotheprotogen3832
@nicotheprotogen3832 4 жыл бұрын
*WOOO ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO FROM INDY*
@mansellotthegreat645
@mansellotthegreat645 4 жыл бұрын
This intro is such a bop I can’t lie
@exohead1
@exohead1 4 жыл бұрын
This has been fascinating. It truly amazes me just how close to a nuclear conflict we really came.
@Andreu0rtin
@Andreu0rtin 4 жыл бұрын
I kind of love that Indy and the TimeGhost army nuking Paris has basically become a meme in and out itself. (I know they use it because it is clear example on what WOULD happen but still)
@jokuvaan5175
@jokuvaan5175 4 жыл бұрын
Damn. I feel like freaking out a bit even though this happened decades ago. I can't imagine how the people at the time must have felt
@mostlychimp5715
@mostlychimp5715 4 жыл бұрын
Just like today most people probably didn't care/weren't paying attention. Asked Ma, she doesn't remember it (in her teens).
@george217
@george217 4 жыл бұрын
I am barely old enough to remember the Missile crisis,but not old enough to understand what was going on at the time. I remember my dad being on alert at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. We lived less than a mile from the main gate of this SAC base. My dad might have survived in his underground bunker, but I and the rest of my family would have been toast...
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing George, scary part of history to have lived through.
@vicbittertoo
@vicbittertoo Жыл бұрын
really well done series !!
@davidbecker5724
@davidbecker5724 4 жыл бұрын
I have thoroughly enjoyed this series thus far, however going to high alert, moving assets, and readying troops is always a thing. Military thinking is always having the pieces ready to go on a moments notice. Look at the 90s and the almost Christmas jump into Haiti. Every option isn't on the table, but you still prepare them.
@davidbecker5724
@davidbecker5724 4 жыл бұрын
Also these general's are wayyy to hawkish, especially with deployments of nukes to ground commanders...but preparing bodies to go in is what I was getting at.
@alcaulique8358
@alcaulique8358 4 жыл бұрын
“War is too important to be left to the generals” - Georges Clemenceau
@Rain1dog
@Rain1dog 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic channel!
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks William!
@LuGer212
@LuGer212 4 жыл бұрын
Indy: using French capital for explosive mass yield measuring repeatedly Paris: *am I a joke to you?*
@509Gman
@509Gman 4 жыл бұрын
Lu Ger oui
@drakepatrick3261
@drakepatrick3261 4 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic work. Edge of your seat stuff. Keep it up
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Drake!
@WilliamBrothers
@WilliamBrothers 4 жыл бұрын
3:45 if you came for Paris
@JenniferinIllinois
@JenniferinIllinois 4 жыл бұрын
This is getting serious. Indy has unbuttoned his jacket. 😉😉😉
@AbhinavKumar-tk4ee
@AbhinavKumar-tk4ee 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your effort
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your support Abhinav!
@AbhinavKumar-tk4ee
@AbhinavKumar-tk4ee 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot sir I am eagerly waiting for the WW2 Pearl Harbor series
@karoltakisobie6638
@karoltakisobie6638 4 жыл бұрын
When did Nato became aware of evens around Cuba?
@TLTeo
@TLTeo 4 жыл бұрын
Good question, I'd like to know this as well.
@edata5898
@edata5898 4 жыл бұрын
It was when one of their spies in the USSR told them. They then flew U2 spy planes over Cuba to check if this was indeed the case.
@Mizmaaa
@Mizmaaa 4 жыл бұрын
@@edata5898 I don't think the op meant the States. I think the question was, when did Americans inform their NATO allies about potential nuclear conflict.
@karoltakisobie6638
@karoltakisobie6638 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mizmaaa You are right. That's what I meant. I wonder if they found from US or from their own intelligence services and when did they found out. That also begs questions when did Soviet satellite governments found out and what was their reaction.
@galandilvogler8577
@galandilvogler8577 4 жыл бұрын
"Good night, and good luck." - Indy "Murrow" Neidell
@andypants1000
@andypants1000 4 жыл бұрын
I cant wait until you do a day by day of the 100 years war.
@pietervonck3264
@pietervonck3264 3 жыл бұрын
When are we going to get a series about the Korean War and the Indochina/Vietnam War? Loved the great War, love the Ww2 week by week.
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 3 жыл бұрын
Something like that may be in the pipeline for when WW2 ends 🤨But who knows when that'll be...
@augustoliborio9458
@augustoliborio9458 4 жыл бұрын
I've been watching all the episodes, I think you're doing a great job. And I also find your approach in the decision-making part very cool. I don't know if you read it or if it was based, but there is a very good literature by the American political scientist Graham T. Allison, in his book "Essence of Decision"
@v.sandrone4268
@v.sandrone4268 4 жыл бұрын
I half expected to see the Dr Strangelove movie's War Room scene at any moment.
@ejnarsorensen2920
@ejnarsorensen2920 4 жыл бұрын
Looking at that blockade line, it looks like they were effectively blockading several other countries too.
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 4 жыл бұрын
It's not how many miles you cover, it's whose ships you're stopping. (I guess?)
@mt_baldwin
@mt_baldwin 4 жыл бұрын
In your pearl harbor series I hope you devote a little time to Germany'r response to it and the US's thoughts on what this means for the war in Europe in those few days between the attack and Germany's declaration of war. What I mean is Japan handed Germany a huge gift, distracting the USA away from Europe, there was no way FDR could now justify war with Germany when the US has to fight in the pacific and he knew it, maybe even support to the Uk might be reduced. Aannd Hitler throws it away almost as an afterthought, he made an enemy of a country at least equal in strength to the USSR for absolutely no gain, not even a promise from Japan, nothing. Side note: I believe the only official declaration of war Hitler ever made was against the USA.
@tsepzz4742
@tsepzz4742 4 жыл бұрын
The end is so anticlimactic 😂
@briancrane7634
@briancrane7634 4 жыл бұрын
Nikita Khrushchov at the time of the crisis commented that when he had met Kennedy personally he was impressed...by Kennedy's naivete and inexperience. Probably why Khrushchov thought he could get away with the bluff. But Kennedy's ineptitude was offset by Penkovsky's leaked information about Kremlin intentions. Kennedy could see Khrushchov's cards...
@the1ghost764
@the1ghost764 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome 👏.
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@kenjimuro3044
@kenjimuro3044 4 жыл бұрын
JFK: plans to stars a nuclear war against Cuba and USSR Republicans: UuUUhhhhHNngn YoU aRE noT tOuGH oN cOmmUNIsm
@janejames9173
@janejames9173 4 жыл бұрын
Love your channel Dear.🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
@Rookz89
@Rookz89 4 жыл бұрын
How many people on both sides were sooooo trigger happy with nukes. It boggles the mind that we managed to not blow up the world...............yet.
@tommonk7651
@tommonk7651 3 жыл бұрын
For an excellent approximation of General Curtis Lemay, see George C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove....
@phelyxz
@phelyxz 4 жыл бұрын
man... this is scary... also in light of how we slipped into world war 1....
@jerrywhite9225
@jerrywhite9225 2 жыл бұрын
Curtis Lemay , he was always itching for war lol
@jamesgoodman8868
@jamesgoodman8868 3 жыл бұрын
Hope for the best but plan for the worst. Very responsible approach and not confusing. What would Indy do?
@jokuvaan5175
@jokuvaan5175 4 жыл бұрын
Now that you have done so much research on the subject, you'd be able to make a good "what if" scenario video on the topic. Pick one moment when the World probably came closest to WW3 during this crisis. You could explore where the nukes of the respective natipns were aimed at, how much death and destruction they could have caused. Who would have filled the power vaccuum if the super powers disappeared and so on.
@SadisticSenpai61
@SadisticSenpai61 4 жыл бұрын
Ah politicians... The more things change, the more things stay the same. You still can't get a straight answer from a politician and most of the time, they don't even come close to actually answering the question and instead answer the question they wanted to be asked.
@ImperialsArmy1
@ImperialsArmy1 4 жыл бұрын
Hell it was about to be Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
@Geoduck.
@Geoduck. 4 жыл бұрын
What fool has launch codes? How about USAF (SAC) Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper commander B52 843rd Bomb Wing. What could possibly go wrong?
@Slarti
@Slarti 4 жыл бұрын
"If...we were to immediately launch an all-out and coordinated attack on all their airfields and missile bases we'd stand a damn good chance of catchin 'em with their pants down."
@kenhoganson9481
@kenhoganson9481 3 жыл бұрын
Indy, when you parse Kennedy's statements, he is actually CLEAR and unambiguous. Not sure why you see it otherwise. BTW, the military must prepare for all contingencies, including those they do not wish for. Its part of their job, and not a contradiction of policy as you seem to imply.
@rickkubik5484
@rickkubik5484 4 жыл бұрын
Regarding the title "What If A Fool Has The Launch Codes", history does record that the US military staff fought for years for the launch codes to be set at, and KEPT at, 0000. That way, if things ever got into disorganized war, and the president could not be contacted, the missiles could be used by the military. To be fair, they did have military sense to see the uses. But they may not have had the sense when to not use them. Thank God we never found out. All those years (when, btw, I was in elementary school and eager to right them dirty Commies) about the secret codes in an attache case chained to a presidential adviser's wrist? Well, actually not so true. The codes might have been there. But the codes were until recently, "0000". Yowch.
@luispt77
@luispt77 4 жыл бұрын
I hope someone is counting how many times Paris is theoretically destroyed by Indy's nuclear bombs
@Ironpancakemoose
@Ironpancakemoose 4 жыл бұрын
People often point fingers at Hitler for not listening to his generals. In this case I'm HAPPY JFK didnt listen to his generals.
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 4 жыл бұрын
Aren't they completely different situations? A general's job is to formulate strategy and conduct military operations; a stateman's job is to decide whether to go to war or not. Hitler thought he could do his generals' job better than them; Kennedy didn't let his generals tell _him_ how he should do _his_ job.
@johndaubner973
@johndaubner973 3 жыл бұрын
I've just finished reading 'Sum of All Fears' by Tom Clancy and found the way that the US and USSR interacted to be similar to their real life interaction. Did we have the DEFCON status at that time?
@TheLeonhamm
@TheLeonhamm 4 жыл бұрын
Nah! Dat kinda fink only happens in da movies. Uhm? Like, yeah. All together now: 'We'll Meet Again .. Don't Know Where .. Don't Know When ...' Yee-Haw! ;o)
@509Gman
@509Gman 4 жыл бұрын
TheLeonhamm referring to the Dicktator of Equatorial Guinea?
@TheLeonhamm
@TheLeonhamm 4 жыл бұрын
@@509Gman Ah! And so very many more. ;o)
@arunlewis4416
@arunlewis4416 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget about Ivan and his friend still chilling under the tree in Cuba.
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape 4 жыл бұрын
2:07 I don't think Marshal Zakharov has enough medals on his uniform. Better give him, oh, about 25 more ought to do it.
@onefastcyclist
@onefastcyclist 4 жыл бұрын
An Excellent series Indy! With the cold war heating up, do you think oblivion was partially held in place by Kennedy's recent memories of the Bay of Pigs?
@PMW3
@PMW3 4 жыл бұрын
Indy seems to have a grudge against Paris
@juliogarcia4757
@juliogarcia4757 4 жыл бұрын
That’s Pindy Crydel, but where’s his cat?
@Simonsvids
@Simonsvids 4 жыл бұрын
So, was Curtis LeMay ever made to get down on his knees and eat humble pie?
@cheesedaemon
@cheesedaemon 4 жыл бұрын
It's a bit odd hearing Kennedy's actions being spun as warlike. He did everything possible to avoid armed conflict while bringing about the removal of the missiles. I suppose he could have foregone the blockade and just asked the Soviets nicely?
@TimeGhost
@TimeGhost 4 жыл бұрын
We look at this strictly form a day to day perspective - on Day 6 of the crisis, this is where JFK stood - he has already and will continue to change his mind quite a few times during this crisis - have patience and you shall see.
@MrNicoJac
@MrNicoJac 4 жыл бұрын
There's a reason people say Kennedy walked to the brink and back. You can't back away if you never got close to it in the first place....
@MrYossarianuk
@MrYossarianuk 2 жыл бұрын
In 2016 that 'what if' scenario became real
@Darwinek
@Darwinek 4 жыл бұрын
Day 6 - the red lava lamp stopped working as well, the world is doomed.
@scottaznavourian3720
@scottaznavourian3720 3 жыл бұрын
Paris is the Moe's tavern of any indy nuke scenario
@mononoke721
@mononoke721 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's just a matter of time isn't it...one trigger-happy general too many and the nukes will start flying. WWII is going to look like a picnic by comparison.
@teashea1
@teashea1 3 жыл бұрын
The lava lamps are not working very well
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