What If Goku KILLED Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga? | Dragon Ball Z

What if Goku's Kaioken x4 Kamehameha killed Vegeta?
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At this point, most of us are aware how Goku had a change in the way he handled Villains during his fight with Piccolo Junior. Goku had turned from killing Villains to attempting to spare them - testing how such an idea could work long term. One of the crucial characters to be saved by Goku’s new morals and slightly selfish desires is Vegeta, but what happens if he doesn’t spare Vegeta specifically. More than that, what if Goku killed Vegeta himself, not just telling Krillin to do it? Some may be thinking he couldn’t do this, but there’s one specific moment it could have happened. When the iconic Kamehameha-Galick Gun clash happens, Goku uses a Kaioken x 4, making his power level 32,000 when compared to Vegeta’s meager 18,000. A bit of extra force and the motivation to kill Vegeta would be more than enough to take out Vegeta in one attack. So the day is won. Goku stands triumphant, but also in pain due to over using the Kaioken; however, more importantly than anything - Goku hasn’t been crushed so his recovery time is far less. Of course, Krillin still suggests they go to Namek in order to revive their friends so how will a Namek without Vegeta change events?
After watching the video feel free to leave any and all counter points in the comments below - I love a good discussion.
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[@cheeseracs4477]

Nani? another sponsor this is Gucci

[@kristopherpool]

Can you carry-on with the what if Goku and broly were sent to earth as well please

[@reallovely6748]

honestly I like the video without the music

[@e-male896]

Goku already got his potential unlocked by the divine water and krillin should have more potential than the saiyans because when krillin did the same training with kami in a third of the time he was at around 4 times stronger than goku also since krillin goku and gohan trained together they should have a slightly bigger power up

[@explicitpeach]

Kinda like it without background music

[@lakshyapitti5608]

This could be very interesting and since vegeta is dead it should mean that piccolo and gohan will get more spotlight and more contribution towards the story

[@datstuff1002]

yes

[@Itsnobigdeal420]

Lakshya Pitti if they even get past the frezia arc

[@cap8032]

And cell will be weaker

[@shoken4421]

theyd die during the frieza arc vegeta is the reason goku survived the fight from ginyu. no vegeta means most of the bad guys that he would have killed would be still alive. zarbon and dodoria and guldo are 3 that come to mind.

[@lakshyapitti5608]

@@shoken4421 We will have to wait and watch

[@somewhatstrange1600]

goku's power should have been much lower than normal he doesnt get as big a zenkai as he did so the training wouldnt have yielded the same results also he would have to slow himself down krillin and gohan to catch up especially krillin not getting stronger after every near death experience would really slow them down training wise so if isuggest that goku would have a power of about 5-7 times increase once getting off the ship not the same level of power increase so the so around the time goku would have fought freiza i would place him a like 2.4 mill. but thats just what i think

[@somewhatstrange1600]

So goku would be at equal power with freiza so either both of them would die goku gets pulls something out of nowhere and beats freiza or freiza wins and kills everyone or freiza destroys namek and goku dies fighting him

[@luisbalbuena4088]

@@somewhatstrange1600 don't ruined the moment

[@somewhatstrange1600]

@@luisbalbuena4088 hmmm nah

[@RedRhythm_1]

@@somewhatstrange1600 it's better if you have sparing then no one at all.

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

I mean, the zenkai between the beam struggle and him getting crushed shouldn’t be too large. Of course it’d be slightly lesser, but not much of a difference.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

Is the most realistic closest hypothetical scenario we're gonna get in the Dragonball universe?

[@Totallynoteve3440]

do part two plz i live your what ifs thay are awsome and plz do part two

[@LUCAS_1843]

Please explain the unseen Timeline and which Timeline is History of Trunks episode ?

[@meddmurflip6527]

NEXT PART PLEASE!!!!!!

[@Doom2909]

Idea What if the saiyan planet was never destroyed

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

I mean, it's probably likely the Ginyu Force would've turned? Which would actually make things better for the Z Fighters imo. Recoome is a powerhouse down to a T, and has unorthodox moves to boot. Guldo has literally one of the best techniques in the series. Burter is fast as hell and could probably actually hold the title for fastest after some Gravity Room training Ginyu's Body Change and good leadership would be super valuable And Jeice is a balance between all of them plus his very good team synergy. Since Vegeta isn't there to kill em and Goku can show them who's boss, the Ginyus could probably break free of Frieza's shackles and turn to the side they were basically meant for.

[@brandonthedford1285]

What if goku,trunks, and pan discovered broly in GT instead of super while looking for the black star dragonballs?

[@b1totheworldblow410]

Actually this would've been bad, the Z Warriors would've been killed in the Namek Saga.

[@RedRhythm_1]

Why?

[@andrewhastings8244]

@@RedRhythm_1 because the only person that was strong enough at that point was vegeta, who distracted zarbon and dodoria

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

@@andrewhastings8244 But Krillin nor Gohan had to wait for Goku to recover since Vegeta didn’t crush his everything, so Goku would’ve went with them and trained in the gravity chamber. And since Goku’s MUCH stronger than Vegeta at that point, he could help them out, hence what happened in this what-if.

[@orbracha25]

i wonder weather or not cell will even achieve perfection without Vegeta, my guess is that when goku wakes up, he goes in the room with one of the gohans and could easily defeat cell (maybe even without the room as he is so much stronger than in the original)

[@devonstidham9234]

Goku is at least twice as strong as he usually is be interesting to see how this effects events.

[@kevinavila1984]

What if Goku was killed by the Spirit bomb in t.o.p

[@box4467]

It feels like lonely without vegeta

[@mohamedwalidbekhechi6054]

would love to see where this what if will go and facts goku would have been much stronger by getting his potential unlocked as well as the training and pretty logic for future gohan to return in this what if rather than trunks and i can see future gohan and gohan in this what if becoming stronger then they should have been

[@ChiChiLand299]

never did really crossed my mind a lot of the time Goku spent in space wasn't done planet yardrat it was just him traveling there and traveling back to Earth.

[@devonstidham9234]

Cool direction

[@DB-hn4xi]

But the answer im looking for what happens without vegeta What about buu Zamamsu Tournament of power and broly movie?

[@mayankkanyal969]

what if goku vegita fusion was permanent

[@smorby3330]

AMAZING FRIEZA VOICE!!!

[@alexseymour5509]

Wouldn’t future Trunks still be a thing because it’s a different timeline and not just the future?

[@soulstare6100]

only thing i need to know is who is bulma boyfriend now because yamcha will cheated on her right

[@cathrinemahwire2949]

thats how you look.HAH your not BLOUDE

[@articho3898]

Shouldn’t Goku be stronger after gravity training since he is training with other people instead of his own

[@KaizanBall]

No. He started out weaker since he wasn't pulped by Ozaru Vegeta and his Zenkai from that should have been much less effective. Then add in that neither Gohan nor Krillin would do will hitting 20Gs off the bat. I'd go so far as to say Goku should be in the vicinity of 60k on arrival, but that they arrive well ahead of Ginyu since Bulma helped her dad build the ship instead of wasting 5 weeks twiddling her thumbs in the slow boat.

[@vickywachen3547]

The guru increase is just too nonsensical and crazy. Also how goku became super saiyan is just so dumb.

[@prettyboyj7482]

What if Frieza was always golden

[@kingkurok3149]

Carthu I think you should have Goku teach the others Kaioken, I know Goku doesn't like to share techniques (which is strange) but I think after it proving to be more useful in this timeline he should at least consider sharing the move with his allies especially since he & Gohan are now the only ones who can go ssj (plus Piccolo with kaioken would be awesome)

[@calvinhodge1806]

what if frieza never went to namek

[@Michael89240]

If Krillin didn’t die, goku wouldn’t be able to go ssj.

[@joshuamorales2165]

He probably thought he died because of the huge drop in power level

[@CarthusDojo]

Literally exactly what happened lol

[@joshuamorales2165]

Carthu’s Dojo thanks for the like not often you get noticed by youtubers since most of them don’t read comments

[@Michael89240]

Joshua Morales but krillin always dies.

[@joshuamorales2165]

Michael Lin i know but i guess this time he was lucky

[@magethjkomeigojku1289]

They would get stomped by beerus

[@MegaRobertTV]

TL;DW: The grand elder gives the gang a Red Bull boost

[@robotmafia000]

@Eros Matthew Montallana Illegal narcotics?

[@robotmafia000]

@Eros Matthew Montallana No Namekians were harmed in the making of this video

[@giantboop5189]

Unfortunately for Frieza, he receives a different set of wings and... a happy music band???

[@BDSFormula1]

Guru gives you wiiiings

[@Trap5656]

I thought this would end badly, but happy it didn't. Neat Gohan and Krillin know Instant Transmission both can really benefit from learning that technique. Also sweet Future Gohan shows up here. Gohan should be able to access SSJ here early while training for the Androids. Anyways looking forward to the next part.

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[@thetrio8020]

LOL

[@MDGOLD]

I could get an extra wallet Lol.

[@almightyturtle8085]

Well...the cell saga will be a flash...A FINAL FLASH. Edit:Vegeta literally made everything worse,he caused the near destruction of the earth,by letting Cell attain perfection,he caused the Revival of majin Buu,Beerus doesn’t get angry at the party,Whis finds Broly and Paragus and upon hearing Vegeta got GAME ENDED,Paragus no longer holds a grudge and calming him down enough to where the point that the ritual barely works,or sumtin.I don’t know this is off the top of my head,especially that last part,I’m sure you can figure something else out,but up until the battle of gods saga,Vegeta literally messes everything up.Just Saiyan

[@adamwade6243]

Son Goku killing Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga would have been a blessing in disguise, as Vegeta had made things much worse for the Z-Fighters. And absolutely everyone who would have said otherwise, like for an example, saying that killing Vegeta off would ultimately doom the Z-Fighters, any of those said people would have been lying their respective asses off. Since Vegeta was one of the major contenders for outright murdering in cold-blood countless innocents that might have been allies of the Z-Fighters. Like for an example, if Vegeta had never found, raided, and massacred Elder Tsuno's Village for one of the Namekian Dragon Balls, then there would have been a Village full of Namekians of the Dragon Clan and Warrior-Type to have helped out the Z-Fighters against the Planet Trade Organization.

[@shoken4421]

@Adam Wade your forgetting frieza took out the strongest nameks when he landed near elder guru with his breath alone. what is a small village to a guy that can nuke a planet with a finger?

[@dayennetaloon8279]

And he also was the one who let semi perfect cell absorbe android 18 because of his irogance

[@Goku-gc2fp]

@@dayennetaloon8279 yes

[@spiderssssssssssss]

Well, they could all fuse with Piccolo and skyrocket his power even further, like what happened with those two U6 Namekians.

[@xlud-1518]

Everyone on namek dies.

[@pintudas698]

Wat?

[@RedRhythm_1]

Stop being such a Vegeta fanboy.

[@Ty-dq5fi]

@@RedRhythm_1 how? Vegeta was their to distract frieza's men so gohan and krillen had more time.

[@RedRhythm_1]

@@Ty-dq5fi They have plot armor they're fine.

[@johnnygyro2295]

​@Ty-dq5fi Maybe Guru sends Nail to help, and he's the one to beat Zarbon and Dodoria?

[@melon6444]

As much as I love Vegeta, idk why people thought removing him from the equation would cause more problems. Vegeta's usually the one escalating situations, the only way I could see things ending bad in this timeline is once we get into the Battle of Gods saga.

[@alexishanes6162]

I wouldn’t care if Kakarot killed him as Broly says “Trash will be trash” 💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@yaboywest5856]

Yeah I mean if it wasn’t for him screwing around Cell never would’ve went perfect and Goku wouldn’t have to die

[@tomlagom50]

For the power level after the gravity training, we need to remember that Goku start directly to 20G because his body know already the 10G, but not Gohan or Krillin. For them, they need to train apart so as not slow down Goku. Bye

[@readingsolo]

But goku got the added benefit of training partners, so he should make just about as much progress as he did in cannon

[@tomlagom50]

@@readingsolo it's not for Goku I say that, but for Krillin and Gohan. They haven't already a gravity training so they can't follow the training of Goku. Same they are most powerful that Goku arrived on King Kai's planète, but my thought is in the space ship they need have 2 room separately to the 2 training or during Goku sleep, eat and others, Krillin and Gohan train and inverse but Goku slow down his training because he have less time to himself.

[@readingsolo]

@@tomlagom50 Ok I guess that makes sense. But I don't think that it changes the story all too much.

[@prestongarvey2599]

@@tomlagom50 goku may have to wait for them to catch up, slowing his training down, but with the extra two added training partners, its most likely that at the least he will gain the same strength

[@ojpickle5923]

Everyone dies lamooo

[@RedRhythm_1]

No they don't.

[@Osmium498]

I feel like guru’s multiplier was WAY to big, I think they should’ve been Human-9x/10x Saiyan-11x/12x Hybrid-13x/14x

[@vickywachen3547]

It was just really excessive and nonsensical just to make the series continue

[@joshuamorales2165]

RamenDog how are they too big if that’s what they were in canon the only one he had to make an guess on was on Goku’s

[@jonjonmclear]

Lol imagine goku now getting the boost lmao

[@DarthSears]

​@@vickywachen3547 Krillin quite literally went from around 1,500 Power Level to 13,000 vs the Ginyu Force, and around 75K(somehow) during the fight against Frieza. If anything, Carthu ignored one of the power jumps that happened.

[@vickywachen3547]

@@DarthSears thats over time after fighting, this was just a jump while purposely avoiding fighting at like anything near their level

[@zojirushi1]

Everyone dies insert crab rave music 🦀

[@RedRhythm_1]

Nah they would survive.

[@sbsbz5509]

@@RedRhythm_1 heart virus rip

[@RedRhythm_1]

@@sbsbz5509 No another person will probably come form the future to give the heart medicine.

[@Gtz_Abdii]

Yooo if Bulma learned spirit control that would lowkey be badass

[@sagepath4392]

Ask akira toriyama and toyotaro

[@Thromaz]

Sorry Carthu but this video is immediately fallacious. Originally it 2 months for Buluma-tachi to reach Namek.. If in this scenario it took them something more like 10 days, then they'll arrive a month and a half before Freeza... Worse case scenario they get along great with the namekians, get their wish and go home and a month later Freeza arrives on the planet.... The what if really stars here...

[@CIPR-2024]

What if Goku and Broly were sent to Beerus’s planet

[@sebastiancaris]

7:20 what about yamcha Krillin: what about yamcha? Vegeta, I do not know who this yamcha is... but he sounds just like raditz

[@InternationalWolyInterWoly]

Also the kamehameha would not be enough to kill vegeta, In the original story, no matter what they did vegeta just kept getting up, just a bit more motivation and force would NOT be enough to kill vegeta.

[@SuperSonicWarrior93]

Yeah. But what if Goku successfully threw the Spirit Bomb at Vegeta, and it killed him?

[@IzukuMidoriya-sj8wo]

This what if seems pointless but maybe that's because I'm too lazy to analyse it and see the consequences.

[@shoken4421]

@Izuku Midoriya remember when vegeta killed qui ,zarbon ,dodoria and guldo? take away vegeta and they're all alive meaning more damage for goku. he also had 3 senzus left. no vegeta means goku gets to namek and his friends and son are dead and frieza hasnt transformed at all.i dont see goku winning this.

[@joshuamorales2165]

Sho Ken you have to keep in mind that Goku and Gohan arrived on Namek together here

[@communistdoggo1963]

@@shoken4421 yeah but goku didn't receive the potential unlocked from the old namekian in the real version of the story, here Zarbon, Dodoria and Guldo would die easy, just like rekoom did, then he have 3 senzu beans and he can also turn into super sayan, why he would lose?

[@RedRhythm_1]

@@shoken4421 my God there's no point arguing with you.

[@franco1926]

I'm still waiting for more "what if gohan was like goku", but this was cool as well.

[@ruivilasboas4276]

What about what if Picollo NEVER kidnapped/trained gohan? (saiyan saga)

[@siegiusempire1471]

This could be interesting. For the Android Saga, since there are *4* years instead of 3, Goku’s heart virus kicks in earlier due to the intense training and SSJ so Androids 19 and 20, but 20 escapes. 20 gets to his lab, activates 17 and 18, the rebel and kill Gero, before activating 16. Goku and co tries to fight, but their too strong so they retreat to the lookout. Goku and Gohan enter the chamber first and while that Cell emerges, Absorbs 17 and 18. Piccolo also fuse with Kami. Goku and Gohan exits the chamber with SSJ Grade 4 and Gohan unlocking SSJ2 due to the 4 years they trained instead of 3. Gohan faces off against Cell as SSJ2 and kills him. Since he already unlocked SSJ2 prior, he isn’t blinded with rage and finishes him off. 7 year timeskip and Goku unlocks SSJ2 and Gohan keeps up with his training because Goku is alive. Gohan becomes Great Saiyanman, Goten is born, Gohan also gets along with Videl. This scenario of the Buu saga is relatively the same where if Goku became SSJ early because no one is a good candidate for mind control and both Goku and Gohan are superior to their canon self. Basically no Buu Saga Battle of Gods is a bit tricky. Everything goes as canon, but since no Buu, Beerus is happier but asks for the SSJG. He fights everyone, but much to his disappointment and anger but sighs. Then the idea of asking Shenron comes up and the whole ritual thing comes up, but a problem arrives as there are only 3 Saiyans. Goku, Gohan and Goten. Videl is pregnant so there’s 4, but they are 2 Saiyans short. Beerus sighs and is just decides to leave, but then gets an idea. 2 things happen. Either they ask Shenron to teleport any Saiyan Survivors to earth, or He asks Whis to see if there are any living Saiyans are around and to Beerus’s shock and delight there are. Vegeta’s brother Tarble and Broly alongside Paragus. Paragus isn’t pure of heart, but Broly and Tarble will be of great help. The ritual is done after some debating who gets it. Gohan is the strongest but they are worried as it might not work on him as he is half saiyan and don’t know if it’ll work, Broly is strong, but lacks fighting skill, so they decide to give it to Goku who is the second strongest person there. The fight happens and it happens the same as canon, but it’s more friendlier as there is no pudding incident. After that Paragus and Broly lives on Earth and Tarble is back to where he came from. Paragus also finds out that Vegeta is dead, much to his delight. During the 6 months time skip Pan is born and Gohan becomes the next SSJG due to Goku’s nonstop pestering request as due to him having SSJG, he practically blew everyone in terms of strength and everyone is shocked that it works on a Hybrid. (Paragus is the 6th Saiyan as Im pretty sure his malice intent would eventually go away knowing Vegeta is dead). Broly also trains with Goku and Gohan and they are amazed by this guys’ power. He is able to keep up with them in his base form and in his wrathful state. He is equal in them in SSJG. Whis visits and takes Goku and Broly as his students. Goku getting Go KI down and unlocking SSB and Broly practicing and learning to control his power, able to use wrathful with no issue and unlocks SSJ, bur barely. Gohan occasionally visits thanks to IT and also unlocks SSB. ROF is a breeze as Gohan is there. Base Gohan holds his own against FF Frieza and that’s when Goku and Broly comes. Broly transforms into his Legendary SSJ (he was able to control it thanks to Whis guidance and training with Goku and Gohan) and Gohan and Goku into SSB and Frieza is terrified. Broly gets to face Frieza as he won Rock Paper Scissors and just dominates the fight with Golden Frieza and the day is saved. I’ll leave it here for now. Unsure how future parts will go.

[@willckz]

I do enjoy when people alternate the future timeline but at the same time, I think it would be the same no matter what you change since Trunks is travelling pretty much to another universe.

[@espro436]

Why does Bulma need to repair ship if they learned instat transmission?

[@sirjoker516]

Are you going to continue the what if broly and goku go to earth

[@cxsh6637]

What if Vegeta and Goku was Brothers

[@justsomeguysittingonacouch7071]

Yooo, Krillin Instant Transmission? Instant Destructo Disk

[@maximusxcx]

Yoooo krillin with plot brim

[@kirayoshikage5230]

What happens if piccolo died in the sayian saga 🤔

[@mythilysridhar5060]

Future hogan stays in the present please

[@IzukuMidoriya-sj8wo]

Goku would oneshot Frieza. If he was 10x stronger than Frieza's power level of 530,000 then that wouldn't even be a close fight. Also Frieza would not have enough time to transform into his second stage, let alone the fourth.

[@show4game944]

please make a what if frieza didnt betray the sayains

[@geno6037]

Wouldn't have Future Gohan just instant transmissioned to Namek to revive the people killed by the Androids?

[@CarthusDojo]

Nope. Goku needed to go to King Kai’s to find New Namek. Even with it still being old Namek it’s hard to say he’d be able to sense them from Earth.

[@geno6037]

@@CarthusDojo I guess I can see that. I was just thinking that he would use Nail's ki signature to get there.

[@nounao7403]

If Vegeta was killed as well. Trunks wouldn’t be born. And here’s the following events that would happen if trunks weren’t born. Future saga ------------------------ goku black and Zamasu Would get to destroy the future easier and that could lead to the end of the world ------------------------ Android saga: So trunks wouldn’t be able to warn them cause he never existed so the androids have a chance to destroy the world ------------------------- More information soon if I could find some _______________________________

[@rajajean-willie3249]

Yoooo. You should REALLY watch Onokage channel and his amazing what ifs "what if Goku and Vegeta trained Naruto and Sasuke"

[@NoobgamerHD]

how is Frieza not dead? i mean, i know that Goku didn't kill him originally maybe because he didn't want to or didn't have enough power to do so, even though he was stronger, but in this what if he's a bit stronger (like 50 million+ power level lol) than in canon, so i think he could have killed Frieza this time.

[@onlinegametime]

Goku definitely wouldn’t be as strong as he was when he Namik. Since he would have to share the beans with the other two. Food might be a issue since there are four them instead of one. Know since three are training together the would get a little stronger but not as much. I don’t believe they would all master or get to 100 times gravity. Since they might arrive earlier then normal. This is still a good What If, even through it’s has a few problems with it.👍

[@forstaken2254]

Make this a series

[@ericstaples7220]

If Vegeta is killed, then he can't collect the dragon balls for Frieza. He can't help Cell achieve his perfect form. And he can't free Buu from his ball. Pretty much everyone is better off without him.

[@vincentgnanaraj]

Then gohan would have been dead on namek, even Goku would have been killed by captain Ginyu, I don't care about krillen he would have killed anyway, Bulma would have died too. And namek dragon balls would have been gone forever, then frieza would have came to earth and killed everyone, for no reason Edit: u wouldn't been enjoying piano music too

[@InternationalWolyInterWoly]

If you look closer carthu sucks at remembering what to say for the sponsor lol

[@jaiyonjones3627]

Hold on how is Dr.Briefs hair purple and Bulma’s mom’s hair blond,yet bulma’s hair is blue matter fact here is a theory when Bulma was very little her hair was purple but gradually turned blue by the time she met Goku so for Trunks his hair was purple up until he became and adult due to his Saiyan physiology since saiyans stay in their prime for longer maybe their hair color works the same too (idk) so that means when Trunks the half saiyan became an adult his hair changed to blue

[@true_darkmagician8538]

If that is the Case, Goku could beat frieza in BASE FORM

[@SuperSonicWarrior93]

Just once, I'd like to see Goku actually beat Vegeta in a fight.

[@giovannidigregorio8922]

Goku training for Namek power level should be less than 90 000 cause he trained with the motivation to defeat vegeta on he's own

[@LordYamcha]

I'm hyped for this - great Content Carthu👊👊

[@thegoatofaire1046]

Is it because you dont like vegeta

[@LordChrome375]

I think you over powered Goku, he didn’t have that much hidden potential like Gohan and Krillin did

[@damon_drafts]

Just amazing cant wait for the next one

[@konnor9577]

Now when they revived the Z fighters, who will be stronger with piccolo helping them in there training in king Kai's planet, Goku should Take them all to Yadrat using his instant transmission, so they can all complete there spirit training. 4 years will make them overpowered and goku and gohun will probably discover SSJ2.

[@The_Man_Of_Steel_69]

Oh my god are you not gonna continued what if future gohan survive part 5 it 3 month now you supposed to coutinue 1 month please continue what if future gohan survive part 5

[@yamahakid450f]

You said meager... I heard that wrong lol. I thought cancel culture would be heading your way lmao

[@gaenj]

If Goku killed Vegeta Goku would die because in Resurrection of f Goku almost died

[@MrDj232]

Having someone to train with probably would have boosted their strength a lot more than Goku training on his own.

[@mythilysridhar5060]

Krillinand gohaneould have Kaiokenpiccolospotential gets unlocked

[@user-cn8xi4el6h]

What if goku didnt break nappa's back

[@user-gy6rg1xt8q]

I think this is going to be the best ``What If`` in your channel

[@blackblade99009]

okay but what is with people making the assumption that there would be no future trunks without vegeta? i mean the show already establishes multiverse theory so it is entirely likely that even with a dead geets there could and most likely would be a trunks.

[@cameronhall1279]

What if King Piccolo Raised Goku What If Series Please?

[@Imalima.]

But trunks is from a different time line so trunks should come back too the past and realise where’s vegeta

[@Solesteam]

It just occurred to me that Freeza is more like a monkey than Goku since Freeza has hand-feet like monkeys have.

[@branco5455]

what if she got a son like a 100% human trunks with yamcha?

[@satishchandragupta4868]

Then Goku too have have died due too heart diease in future as you know that till the the time future trunks didn't came the future and current timeline were running same

[@jayishmundra1061]

What if goku was born with god ki part 8. Gohan Blanco

[@mythilysridhar5060]

Gokugohanandkrillin get their potentials unlockrd

[@idkKag]

who would thought gohan in the millions also goku is stronger? NANI

[@NewDealChief]

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[@MrStormyZ]

great video but I believe you missed out a major detail. wasn't it ? Planet Yardrat's environment for people from different planets was the reason why Goku got the virus in the first place. In that case Bulma should had got the virus too and wouldn't be there in future so would Krillin and Gohan

[@stephenquinn3447]

We don't know how he got it, and carthu believes he got it on earth

[@HughJaneous]

I like how this guy just makes up insanely high numbers to make his story work

[@goldbuggaming5513]

Can you do what if the fusion dance couldn't defuse plss

[@KaizanBall]

Oh, I have so many nitpicks... If Bulma has the ship, wouldn't the healing pods be able to handle or at least delay the heart virus a bit? The lack of Senzu in the future is less of an issue since they can just chill in the diaper tank for a couple of days and be good to go. The post Vegeta Zenkai should be significantly lower since he wasn't pulped. I'd go so far as to say he would struggle to reach function in the 100Gs and be only at 50~70k tops by the time they reach Namek. Lets say 60k as a nice in-between. If Bulma was there to help her dad reverse engineer the pod then surely they would have arrived well ahead of the Ginyu force's origin arrival date. And Dende would still be alive... maybe. Cuz that's not going to break things later on when Piccolo needs to fuse with Kami. Not that he even knows he CAN fuse... since he never met or fused with Nail. Oh dear. Guru's unlock on Goku should be less effective since he already had a partial unlock from to the Ultra Divine Water, so giving Goku Krillin's unlock of 50x takes him to 3m. Oh, Ultra Divine Water isn't an unlock, I hear you say. It was poison and only bestowed a Zenkai! If being poisoned grants a Zenkai then so should self damage, like the Kaioken and that would be a completely broken mechanic the Saiyans would have abused to hell and back by now. Scaling things back a bit means Goku's fight with Frieza is then far more drawn out with Kaioken x20 still being upwards of 60m. Enough to provoke Frieza to be Frieza and trigger Super Saiyan at only 150m. This makes Frieza surviving much more believable since 300m is, as it was with Vegeta, over twice as the output of his opponent, and should have vapourized the guy completely. No backsies, no mechanical high jinks. Don't worry, Cell can still have Cold, and Ginyu force DNA because Cold will want revenge. Maybe even rope Cooler in to it, because, why not? Cell with Guldo powers will _totally_ not be broken as hell by the way.

[@CarthusDojo]

A lot wrong here, so I'll go point by point. Why do you assume healing pods will handle the heart virus when senzu can't and the two are comparable? It's a baseless claim - if anything the tanks give credence to Gohan surviving in the Future timeline. The issue with the post Vegeta Zenkai is it isn't quantified anywhere. The training on the ship under gravity is actually stated to GIVE Zenkai's and are the main source of Goku's strength. (On Viz's website it's manga chapter 76 page 7) Bulma helps her dad and sure that can make it go a lot quicker if it was the same ship. The difference is this ship is bigger and features a room where gravity isn't effected by changes made in the training section. It's a different ship so it still takes while. This nitpick is fine generally as we can argue and never agree how long it should take. The issue with the Ultra Divine water is it does bring out Goku's potential but you seem to not understand how potential unlocks work. Potential unlocks grant the user their CURRENT potential so their unaffected by older potential unlocks. Goku and Gohan have less potential as kids which is why future unlocks (such as Ultimate) are such a massive boost later on still. Gohan's Ultimate form bare minimum surpasses SS2 which is at bare minimum 100x multiplier. By your logic, Ultimate shouldn't be greater than 70x which isn't the case. You just don't understand the concept. You just made it so SS Goku would be the same just to give Freeza a better reason to survive? A little silly. As I said in the video and as was stated in the manga originally (on Viz's website it's manga chapter 140 page 2) - Goku holds back when delivering the final blow which is why Freeza survives. You even bring up Vegeta who also survived a blast in CANON from Goku's Kaioken x4. You proved your own point wrong. Why would Cell have the Ginyu Force? Freeza going to Yardrat after Namek makes sense so his ship going there after Namek is fine. The Ginyu Force is eliminated on Yardrat before they become an issue. Notably, Cell doesn't have DNA from characters Gohan, Trunks, Tenshinhan, Krillin or even Nappa. The odds that the bots would take the Ginyu Force's DNA before they are killed is a bit unrealistic. I think you're trying really hard to debunk the claims made in the video while lacking a basic understanding of some Dragon Ball concepts. Try rereading the manga and reading some guide books so you can better understand how certain things work within the series. If you'd like to talk more join the discord and ping me. In your ping just say Carthu said you could so you don't get in trouble lol.

[@KaizanBall]

@@CarthusDojo Awesome reply, though I’m not trying to debunk, since it’s all fiction and you can literally do whatever you want. Just pointing out things that didn’t make sense given the context I have. We have no way of knowing how the healing pods would work, but it sure adds to the drama since Goku would get to face the Androids instead of dying before they show up. Then he still dies because the virus makes a comeback mid battle. Le Drama! Gohan would absolutely be using the pods though since Senzu aren't a -crutch- thing anymore. Yes, Goku’s post Vegeta zenkai isn't quantified but it's still a thing isn’t it? Squeak toy jokes aside, he was as close to death as he's ever been. My point is that the gravity training didn’t give him an 11x boost. We don’t know the levels he went in with only the >8k then the 90k. But it’s more than likely that he went into the ship somewhere in the vicinity of 10k. Less here because, not completely wrecked. He then also has to deal with the fact that Gohan and Krillin are likely not able to jump straight into 20Gs so they don’t get to 100Gs as quickly and spend less time acclimating to it. Having people to train with might help but, well, that’s insanely dangerous because they are in a spaceship, in space, and are not a Frieza type who -can breath in space- don’t need to breath. Bigger ship makes sense. Though making it larger is just structural as opposed to techical, but I won't bother quibbling that point. If potential unlocks work as you describe, with the starting and ending point being endlessly in flux so there’s always more potential to be unlocked or unleashed, then that is a completely and utterly broken mechanic. Guru and Elter Kai would be able to unlock, twiddle their thumbs as they recover and the unlocked person caps out, then rinse and repeat. Nail should have had his potential unlocked (again?) as soon as they sensed Frieza approaching, or at least when Krillin and then Gohan and Dende had theirs done. The various unlocks and unleashes seems more like opening a tap. Ultra Divine Water gave half a turn, Guru managed a couple of turns and Elder Kai used a proper plumber’s wrench and maybe a drop of oil. Lack of use causes the tap to seize up while not fully open, as happened with Gohan leading up to _Resurrection F_. Fair point with Goku holding back but being over twice as strong at Frieza really trivializes things though. Androids 19 and 20 simply won’t stand a chance unless Goku is very careful to be a complete moron until he needs his meds. His capacity is effectively doubled. Gohan will be that much stronger as will the unfused Piccolo? Maybe. Man, he’s just completely sidelined. As for Ginyu dying on Yardrat, that’s also fair, but would they not postpone that mission with Frieza being incapacitated and Cold stumping up a storm? Since Namek never got blown up, Cold (and maybe Ginyu) would go there to retrieve Freiza’s remains and, well, that’s a bad day to be trusty Old Namek. Frieza could arm twist them into getting his wish. And maybe Cold gets a wish too. Then having no further use for them, kaboom. They wouldn’t want anyone else getting wishes, would they?

[@darkfang797]

If Freeza really wanted Goku to work for him, I think he might’ve been able to convince him. Think about it, this Goku never stopped killing his enemies. He’s killed dozens if not hundreds of Red Ribbon soldiers without batting an eye, he’s killed enemies that have wronged him, that have wronged those close to him, or threaten his friends and family. If Freeza offered to spare Earth, and Goku really believed he couldn’t kill Freeza, maybe he’d join him? This Piccolo wouldn’t be pissed with Goku for sparring Vegeta after the prince killed many of Goku’s friends. Piccolo would want to keep Gohan safe. So maybe Freeza would ask for Gohan to join too, but Piccolo steps up and volunteers as tribute. This could lead to a saga where Goku and Piccolo have to invade Yardrat in the place of the Ginyus and maybe train there and defeat Freeza in Yardrat. Since Yardrats can use IT, even if Freeza tried to destroy the planet, they’d be able to teleport to Earth, so Goku and Piccolo would be able to go all out.

[@darkfang797]

Maybe a character like Soba, a Yardrat canon to the video games that trained Goku, would fight alongside them. It’s unlikely they’d learn spirit fission and other yardrat techniques, since Toriyama hadn’t invented them at the time, but if we’re basing this on the universe and not the meta, Piccolo would probably use Gigantification, which he already knows and is a Yardrat technique; maybe Goku or Soba or whoever replaces Soba would use Spirit Fission and de-transform Freeza or something?