What if I Told YOU This Was a HORRIBLE Spider-Man Cartoon?

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[@notyouraverageharleyquinnstan]

Nice shirt🖤you look pretty!

[@kaym6850]

Sorry, not sorry. NOT doing it. Emilia Perez is a woke ideology psychological brainwashing attempt. AND. NOTHING. MORE.

[@christophertaylor9100]

I took enough SAN damage just hearing about it, the last thing I need is a rundown

[@cheyennesmith3365]

I remember Stan Lee being asked in an interview of how he came up with the idea of Spider-Man using his powers to make money before Uncle Ben got killed. He said that he just asked himself: if he suddenly got super powers, what would he do with them? Make money or fight crime? He just said to himself, to make money.

[@freman007]

Modern Spider-Man should be a KZbin content creator. Swinging around the city, filming himself fighting crime, he'd have millions of followers, and be making tons of money.

[@genericbeansmile756]

@@freman007 I think one of Spider-Man's more obscure villains was based on that idea... Screwball? Something like that, I remember reading a page about her in a Marvel visual dictionary a while back. Maybe they could just give her a show and really try something new, using a bunch of tertiary Spider-Man characters.

[@Ihavethetouch]

@@genericbeansmile756 And pretty much every person alive hates Screwball as a character. But they still included her in the games.

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

@freman007 How is Spiderman getting ad revenue without committing federal crimes with identity fraud? Or are you saying Spiderman just casually tells adsense that he's Peter Parker?

[@tell-me-a-story-]

Basically he just acts like a normal reasonable human being.

[@227060]

The most insulting thing is that every character they race/gender swapped or pulled from other (often obscure) Marvel titles could have been replaced with pre-existing already diverse characters from actual Spidey comics. Sha Shan, Hobie Brown, Randy Robertson, Phillip Chang, Glory Grant. These are all canon Spider-Man characters.

[@JohnJo-qn7wq]

this

[@Return_of_Godzillas_Revenge]

Yeah. It's just weird, they *completely* changed the character of Lonnie Lincoln when you could've just had Randy fit the same role.

[@Lunaria.Praesentia]

They have an insatiable thirst for the superficial and basic kind of "originality"

[@SmileJ-in3nt]

​@@Return_of_Godzillas_Revenge hell even hobie brown because he had to deal with racism in the comics and was the original prowler.. Plus in spectacular spider-man he and randy were on the football team..

[@Blazecap]

Chances are you pull from a wiki

[@Ihavethetouch]

Waiting for inevitable "What does it matter they changed it?". But if it doesn't matter, then why change it?

[@SteveCrafts2k]

...because it doesn't matter? The comics will be around, this isn't the status quo.

[@lordyoda9382]

@@SteveCrafts2kYet it does matter…

[@alexescorza8120]

@@SteveCrafts2kmatters enough for me to not watch it

[@speedflashanimations221]

Here is a better question Why do you care if they changed it? They are still very much the same characters It’s not like they are doing the michale bay thing We’re they change the characters completely and just slap on the name of another one on them Norman is still Norman Harry is still harry

[@speedflashanimations221]

@@alexescorza8120then why are you here?

[@Binary79]

Its not a Spider-man story unless he is worried about either girls, school or money. He has everyday problems.

[@mayotango1317]

No in the comics. Is the girls who want him but he ignore hers .

[@kaior1]

IT ISNT A SPIDER MAN SHOE WITHOUT MJ GWEN UNCLE BEN HARRY

[@noobmasterruben5167]

You can made a Spiderman story without Gwen or Uncle Ben but Peter still needs to show flaws, its why MCU Spidey works and probably MTV Spiderman

[@changvasejarik62]

Or is made inferior to Howard the Duck.

[@transporteeducação-s6x]

@@mayotango1317 Not in the older comics!

[@MarsM13]

Something about modern writing I noticed in "Discovery"; in modern writing, heroic characters constantly validate each other. Only monsters don't engage in constant validation of everyone around them. It sounds like this version of Spider-Man is being written in that way. Parker gets constant validation from everyone around him, and constantly validates them as well. Only the most blatant of villains doesn't engage in constant validation, with the result that the whole world is rather flat and bland, composed entirely of either constant-validaters, or pure villains. There are no shades of grey in a story this politicized.

[@shadowednight1600]

Meanwhile the new TMNT run has the Turtles fighting and snapping at each other. Only Donnie is calm but that's due to trauma and madness. The Foot pretty much run the whole city now. It's night and day after the constant lovefeast that was the run before Then again Disney eats that socjus stuff up with a spoon

[@cynicalperson161]

This is the first time I've heard of this but it makes so much sense as well.

[@cybertramon0012]

The term I use for this sort of thing is 'saccharine'. A term used on the internet for things that are too sweet or too nice. I felt it in Sony's Spider-Man 2, when every important character knew Sign Language because Mile's girlfriend was deaf, and everyone seems to get along too well.

[@flampagan1994]

I would not say it's politicized, it's not like he spout Marxist talking points and they are all portrayed as good. I think it kind comes from a lack of understanding and cuddle culture, when you have people that always have a hug box it can seem weird that Peter does not have one.

[@227060]

What's worse is Peter being constantly validated is utterly at odds with how he was written and created in the first place. He doubted himself, the public feared and hated him, he constantly felt he was letting his Aunt May down.

[@Darth_Bateman]

Remember how the dude threw a brick at Spidey, Spidey used webs to bring the brick back and everyone collectively went : "Oooooh, can't believe bro got hit with a brick."....INCLUDING Spidey.... The one who hit him in the head with a brick..... JJ was right, Spiderman is a MENACE.

[@Thunder-StrickenStudios]

Every time Peter Parker succeeds, Spider-Man loses. Every time Spider-Man succeeds, Peter Parker loses. Peter struggling with that balance, skipping classes to save a person getting robbed and getting bullied by Flash and not fighting him back, is what makes him so interesting.

[@christophertaylor9100]

That's the secret to writing Spidey. He cannot ultimately win, but he doesn't lose, either. He just struggles

[@pizzatime4204]

That is literally what happens in the show lmao

[@flampagan1994]

Also miss that he was a loner. Like in the 98 show he had to design the web shooters himself, he struggled with his identity as spider man and wanted to give it up, likewise in the Tobi Mcguire movies. There is just no struggle when his friends knows he is spider man and he got a major corporation backing him

[@JonJ-vl1jg]

Guys,those are just the first two episodes! And you know what? That fall will hit harder if we had a good start. And I think this is way it's starts out good for Peter

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

Peter had several friends in the comics, he was only a loner before he became Spider-Man.

[@Blazecap]

As spider-man? Peter so far in this show at least still seems to fight crime on his own even if he probably will get upgrades from norman

[@R0Mtauri7515]

GARY STU MUST BE HATED LIKE MARY SUE BECAUSE WE NEED IMPERFECT CHARACTERS.

[@sammysstopmotionoas1996]

I completely agree.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Tell that to the Batman fanbase and see how well that goes.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

​@@Drums_of_Liberation Oh god, the mental gymnastics a Batman fan will go to to tell you why a person they think can defeat literally anyone with prep time because he's the smartest, knows all of the martial arts ever, is super rich blah blah blah is not a Gary Stu. Funniest to me was probably "he's not a Gary Stu because he had a sad childhood" like having an angsty past is a meaningful character flaw.

[@KamiAnimeS1]

Don’t agree, you could have everything in perfect characters, and perfect characters. Don’t limit storytelling.

[@R0Mtauri7515]

Well that also a point, but like she said, that not dynamic, well Peter can be immature but he needs to make mistakes and learn from those mistakes and overcome his own shortcomings off being in a “KID BUBBLE”

[@klulu-kun]

Wait, that's why they call it the "Peter tingle?" 12:06 They could have called it arachnid awareness. That sounds smart and nerdy and totally something Peter would say. But no, they turned it into a gag.

[@walterandrews4985]

Crazy this got three seasons before a single episode aired when they could've just given us Spiderman 98

[@kaior1]

Or spectacular

[@227060]

I dont want them to put their grubby hands on Spider-Man from the 90s cartoon

[@indiajohnson]

​@@227060 Ditto 👍🏾

[@nugget3327]

Or even TNAS Spider-Man (The MTV one) I wanted a 2nd season of that show dammnit

[@notpaper-cr6ni]

Or even better, spectacular Spider-Man 2010🙏

[@mayotango1317]

Even Danny Phantom feel a better Spider-Man adaptation that this kid show.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

FACTS

[@starwing2814]

👏👏👏👏

[@BrandontheAwesome]

If you told me this was a terrible Spider-Man cartoon, I'd reply with, "Shocker. Disney hasn't been able to make a good Spider-Man adaptation ever since they got his TV rights"

[@VexNToys]

Spectacular Spider-man and Avengers Earth’s Mightiest Heroes were the best. Imagine what we could have gotten if Disney didn’t buy Marvel. Those who don’t know Disney killed those shows to align everything towards the movies.

[@bigboi5545]

Don't forget Wolverine and the X-Men.

[@kwk111]

As a huge animation enthusiast, this animation is truly disgraceful. I knew the story was gonna be lame, but the promotional art looked good. This needed to be hand-drawn. They could've still used 3D for reference footage, but this art style does not work with CGI. It looks so inauthentic and sterile. Sigh...

[@BarnAnt]

That's actually what turned me off from watching it To me it's like an uncanny animation style: it's 3D animation mimicking the 2D style, but it's still obviously feels like 3D

[@angelicsailor1st]

My nephew and his friends hated the art😂

[@cynicalperson161]

Yeah the animation is "unique" and not in a good way 😂

[@Tenshii_Artii]

If their intentions were to apparently make everything ‘Retro’…Man, they missed the mark with this. Not even old comics from the 60s I know of looked this bad. If they wanted to keep it minimal, it wouldn’t hurt to add subtle airbrush. Or even a bit of that dot shading. Everything just looks either flat, or just not in harmony with each other.

[@BiBiren]

This animation style reminds me of Hi-Fi Rush, but worse.

[@koopa159]

Wow, comparing the MCU Peter Parker to Ms. Marvel was painfully accurate.

[@mayotango1317]

But Ms. Marvel had more personal problems and character that this.

[@kiwiangeldust6912]

You’re clearly delusional

[@henrysstreamofconsciousness]

Sounds like I’m not missing anything after having canceled my Disney+ subscription 25 days ago now.

[@robertbryant4669]

6:07 That's Lonnie Lincoln?! As in TOMBSTONE?! The African American albino crime boss?!

[@boomboom-hi5np]

Spider-man shouldn't have a mentor....he should be figuring things out on his own....that's literally a core part of Peter's struggle

[@christophertaylor9100]

Yeah the Tony Stark thing never made sense to me, and was completely unnecessary. The worst was having Iron Man of all people teaching Spidey responsibility and heroism LOL

[@pizzatime4204]

Reed Richards was kinda a mentor to peter in the og comics lol. He also looked up to Captain America too

[@christophertaylor9100]

@@pizzatime4204 He had adults he looked up to but was solo, without someone giving him armor and teaching him how to be a hero.

[@sammysstopmotionoas1996]

I have no interest in seeing the Spider-Man lore smashed with a hammer for the 3rd time. Just stick with Spectacular Spider-Man if you want a good Peter in High School cartoon.

[@matane2465]

Spectacular was doing the same garbage back then. They race swapped Liz Allen, Ned Leeds, and Fancy Dan. That's how we go to where we are. People gave that show a pass and praised it, sending the message that you were OK with race swaps. So they kept doing it more and more until you finally just noticed what they've been doing for the last 20 years.

[@Deuteromis]

Just treat it as another universe that's all it is

[@MegatronTheDominator]

​@@matane2465because every blonde character and etc look like eachother in that show. So they raceswapped Liz to stand out more. This show raceswapped Norman and Henry. The most 2 iconic character in the franchise. Henry looks unrecognizible. Atleast Norman still has the drip. Besides she actually point this out in her raceswap video.

[@TheDoDoGuy]

You do know spectacular spiderman was one of the best cartoons ever

[@sangin1311]

​@@matane2465 That show had the best Spider-man story, and u r ignoring it just because they race swapped Liz, Ned and Fancy Dan? 😂😂Weird but ok

[@josep754]

The art style probably comes from wanting to do a comic-looking show but not wanting to spend the money on a 2d animated budget

[@kungaroomanga5639]

If they wanted a black female character then why not use Calypso? And since there’s different ppl that took up the mantle of Prowler, why not make a new black female character? Or they wanted black male characters, why not a version of Isaiah Bradley and Rocket Racer in the 90s cartoon? And isn’t Cloak technically a Spider-Man character too, why don’t they just use characters they already have instead of acting like they don’t exist?

[@skersein]

who cares

[@kungaroomanga5639]

@ Apparently they do. If you want to represent people why not use characters that already exist instead of changing ones that are established as white? Is it okay the change Luke Cage, Storm, Or Black Panther to white?

[@Shockkings0714]

@@kungaroomanga5639 2/3 of those characters depend on their race

[@Shockkings0714]

2/3 of those characters depend on their race

[@kungaroomanga5639]

@ I knew someone would say this at some point… why does that matter when you got stories like this show on a character that is reliant on making a mistake that causes his uncle giving him inspiring words to be the hero he needed to be and yet it was absent? Ultron, being reliant on being created by Hank Pym, yet absent in the mcu. Thanos being reliant on being a mad titan and pure evil, absent in the mcu. If it’s a what if, else world story like this show kinda is then why can’t they be changed to white? Also, I haven’t watched GotG 3 but isn’t Adam very different compared to his comic counterpart that he, along with other characters that are practically a brand new character with the same design, name, and powers?

[@DarkArch-Angel]

6:37 bro what?!! No Uncle Ben?!! Bruh if I was Miguel, I would say that Peter Parker and his whole universe is an anomaly.

[@SugerRushStBenard]

I swear I could Miguel swearing and while ranting in spainsh over I would honestly love see Miguel O'Hara get some more because one of favorite spidy variants

[@Wyr_111]

Me reading the title: "I'd believe you, I watched the trailer"

[@MarizaPerola-d2q]

Tombstone is suposed to be an african-american albino man, that was part of his development as a criminal in the comics, but again they took away this and made him black for "diversity". Albinos are a way smaller minority than blacks.

[@IamjustBruh]

How the hell do you make a Spider Man show and freakin remove everything that made people fell in love with Spider Man in the first place? HOW, SWAY?!

[@pizzatime4204]

He's still peter Parker. He has his sense of responsibility, his willingness to never give up and face danger head in, and he has personal problems too

[@dantheman8390]

@@pizzatime4204 it’s not just mundane personal problems it’s about his genuine struggle to maintain a double life as a teen facing life or death situation the burden of someone’s life in YOUR hands all while being a social out cast and having to work hard to have friends this is what makes him human relatable and inspiring

[@kaior1]

Why do we need a 4th spider man show

[@dantheman8390]

@@kaior1 exactly when we could be continuing the 90 or spectacular or even the MTV one witch had MUCH better 3D animation especially for the time my fave MJ design to this day

[@Dragon_Aoi]

@@pizzatime4204 I wouldn't say he is still Peter Parker, he is still missing a lot of traits of Spider-Man. Like more independence, his mean streak, anger, his selfishness, isn't as smart as he could be (tbf, Peter's super high intelligence/genius gets downplayed way too often nowadays in media. Not just this cartoon. Really hoping we get Spider-Men stuff that truly focuses and shows how smart/genius Peter is again), more of human traits in general, etc. I wouldn't say he is still Peter Parker, he is very much lacking some of Peter's more interesting traits (though, tbf. So was MCU Spider-Man. Even though I still like MCU Spider-Man and his relationship with Tony and the Avengers. He was too childish, which this show's Peter kind of is too, and too lacking in independence - which Peter, who was created as more of a solo hero, and only sometimes was apart of teams, is not really great that this is the case for me. I miss Peter being more independent and self-reliant, instead of relying so much on others -, so it is not just an issue (imo) with this show. Speculator Spider-Man was a much better show and a MUCH better and great version of Peter, who actually had all these traits I am saying are missing. I miss Spider-Man/Peter Parker and Spider-Man cartoons like Speculator Spider-Man, and the older Spider-Men cartoon and it's Peter Parker. And etc. I hope we get more of that kind of great Spider-Man content and etc. in adaptations (and in the comics) and stuff.

[@CinePhile_Girl_Mahira]

It's probably the friendless syndicated Spider-Man cartoon from the 80s. It's competently made but just dull. This was created during a time when cartoon censorship was at a peak and Spider-Man was not allowed to do things like hit people. It also just doesn't have the wacky flair of the Amazing Friends Version, sticking pretty close to the comics. Spider-Man 67 is definitely the worst on a technical level but it has a manic low-budget energy that makes it more interesting.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

Not to mention the memes!

[@Christian39521]

Instead of giving us a continuation of the 90s show or the MTV series or The Spectacular Spider-Man, they gave us this. The only thing I can think of, is that they can't do those because of Sony.

[@speedflashanimations221]

You are aware they literally can’t bring back spectacular yes? Also you are aware of all the shi tha happend with X-Men 97? With the show runner yes?

[@speedflashanimations221]

You are aware they literally can’t bring back spectacular yes? Also you are aware of all the shi tha happend with X-Men 97? With the show runner yes?

[@art23428]

​@speedflashanimations221 why do you care so much 😂

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

@@speedflashanimations221 X-Men 97 has nothing to do with a continuation of 90s Spider-Man. Just because they take place in the same universe doesn't mean they have the same showrunners. And Spectacular is dead and people need to accept it because the Weissman Curse always claims its victims.

[@bannedfreespeech]

​@@speedflashanimations221you're a liar

[@GiovanniAlckmimRusso]

This time you're right though. I would prefer if they either have a faithful depiction of Spiderman and his cast or what we truly need that is a continuation of the 1994 cartoon

[@DejaBlue-p9w]

Not to be that person, but isn't telling people to blame the film industry for your own negativity the wrong approach to take? You can address the shortcomings of Hollywood AND make videos about the things you like. They aren't mutually exclusive. Maybe, since you're an aspiring director, you can make videos about your own take on characters such as Harley Quinn or interesting story lines that could be told? I've seen your Hands short and I genuinely believe you have the capability to bring great things to KZbin.

[@IdenNonya]

Whole-heartedly agree with you, wallowing in the shit you don't like doesn't tend to change anything. I like this person, and I like to hear them talk about things when they actually like something (maybe get the why's on such)

[@darkknightfan7520]

What good has come from Disney having the tv ip for spider-man? This bottom of the barrel show still maintains the exact same writing & character traits for the other 2 shows and post one more day modern spider-man in general. Peter Parker in his original incarnation never recovered after 2009 (spectacular btw) and it’s never going to change with crap like this.

[@samueltitone5683]

Tbh this show sounds like it would be trash even if the entire cast was white.

[@alexandermccabe556]

thats how this works you make a subpar product but fill it with "diversity" so you can claim the people who dont like it only feel that way because of the "diversity"

[@thomaslayman9487]

of course! you see, the issue is, the show had its focus in the wrong place - it was worried about diversity and validation and affirmation instead of... telling a story. If all you did was race-swap the characters back to normal, it'd still suck; but if you rewound back to the beginning, and started over from scratch with telling a story as the vision, it'd be much better.

[@alexandermccabe556]

@@thomaslayman9487 im more cynical i think they just use it for cover and know its trash but want to have a defense in the back pocket

[@lanzwadesanao4741]

Hot take: I think this show is fine, because even if the art style isn't that great it is pretty unique and as for the boring 2 episodes, i just thought it was just laying down the foundation like getting to know the characters, learning about the world and just general preparation for the story. As for peters lack of flaws, isn't being immature a flaw itself one that he will maybe fixes when he finds out that norman was using him And lastly about peter being a garystu, that's a little extreme like so what if he isn't suffering every minute or his life isn't in constant hell this is a retelling of a story that was told 5 times already, there is a need to change the settings or else we would just get the same old story retold and don't get me wrong i like og spiderman story but i am also tired of seeing peter suffer in the comics which is why i like that he isn't that much of a loser in school, have new friends and an actual job that isn't the daily bugle, it is just a breath of fresh air to see peter winning in life. TLDR: this show isn't perfect but it isn't a dumpster fire too so I am pretty optimistic for this show

[@kiwiangeldust6912]

Thank you for having common sense 💯

[@jech1216]

Npc Disney kid got mid as pfp ofc saying this😂

[@mohammadbashammakh]

I watched every Spider-Man animated show, from the 1967 Spider-Man to the Marvel’s Spider-Man, and I can honestly tell you that the dip in quality from this show is not just bad , it’s disgraceful, whatever good will Marvel animation got from x-men 97 is now lost

[@misakistalker]

That animation, couldn't watch a minute of it holy s

[@mohammadbashammakh]

@ no , not holy , just S

[@maskedgoats9879]

Norman Osborne is not black.

[@tiehunterog]

Gotta say, JesterBell, I love these seemingly deranged rants where you go off on tangents. It's just pure frustration at bad media that has tons of money in it. Your short films are millions of times better despite having basically no budget.

[@mintyaquagreen1675]

In all honesty Rotten Tomatoes doesn't seem all that dependable nowadays.

[@Inkarmy]

The whole 'crying villain spidey lets go then turns out that he's actually the bad guy hence learneth lesson' is exactly what the new version of ultimate Spiderman went through

[@StellaTaiga]

I cringed so hard when "Carla Connors" appeared...

[@Webwalkerz]

L take I will keep glazing it even after listening to this take and I just want to say I loved it and will be enjoying it

[@JeffNighswander]

It's actually really awesome. I've been reading comics my whole life. This cartoon is rad.

[@MIK_IL]

The show itself is fine to me. There’s definitely things i don’t like but i find it to be alright. I find some of the takes are off especially since Peter is fucking 14💀

[@haflongbar9697]

Oh please many chose to be ignorant to the issue but we all who are willing to speak out our mind . Peter's motivation for being spider-man has no meaning without uncle ben . Peter is already a goodytwoshoes so being spiderman doesn't develop his character. 80% of his og cast is gone and those who are still there are un recognizable.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

Exactly, Peter was an angry, selfish kid who only cared about his aunt and uncle and thought everyone else could kick rocks. That's why when he got superpowers he immediately went to "use them for money and attention" and when someone actually needed a superhero to stop a thief he told them to fuck off. The whole reason he realized having the powers meant he needed to use them responsibly is because he experienced the consequences of using his powers just for selfish gain. This is the crux of Peter's path to heroism and these dolts just took a massive dump all over it.

[@pizzatime4204]

​@@nightmarefanatic1819I mean I don't think it's fair to just criticize this for peter not being how he was originally, when every adaptation besides tasm doesn't depict him as being selfish or angry pre spider bite

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

@pizzatime4204 That's a great reason to be upset, because they want to do more of the same with Peter while also defending their stupid, meaningless changes with "It's a different universe!" Funny how all these "new takes" on adapting Peter's story alway involve taking away his pre-power personality flaws that made his lesson so important in the first place, and this one did it the absolute worst.

[@haflongbar9697]

@@pizzatime4204 popular to contrary believes Sam Raima ( though toned down) does potray these traits such as peter wanting to use his powers for money( to get mary jane and buy a car )enjoying beating up flash ( he enjoys toying with flash instead of just ending it) and speaking rudely infront of uncle ben , not stopping the robber [ yes the most important part where he was selfish, he wanted revenge for being cheated and that costs him a life that haunts him till this day] for an origin story spiderman peter needs to learn his lesson without it the origin story doesn't make sense.

[@Santiago.V7]

2:08 Oh yes, Peter has no flaws. That's why Norman discovered his identity in the 2nd episode😂

[@DelusionalCommenter]

I think she means that Spider-Man's greed and selfishness at the start of his story are gone in this interpretation and he's a goody-goody at the start now

[@Santiago.V7]

@DelusionalCommenter that's not exactly a bad thing there are a lot of characters that are good from the start plus it doesn't make sense Peter being a jerk since he lives with uncle Ben and uncle Ben is a good guy not a jerk (in most of his adaptations)

[@pizzatime4204]

​@@DelusionalCommenter with that logic every spider man besides tasm are poor interpretations

[@DelusionalCommenter]

@@pizzatime4204Toby Maguire’s Spider-Man did it too, just in a different way, which is what all internations should be like instead of removing Peter’s fatal flaw entirely.

[@whateverwhatever8094]

In my opinion I think you are wrong. Out of the 4 people at the internship literally the only person that likes Peter is Asha. Amadeus Cho constantly roasts him and talk about himself being better. Jeanne Foucault was sarcastic and straight told him to his face she can’t be bothered to remember him. Sounds like great friends. And his mentor? A massive prick. The only people in the entire building that wasn’t horrible reslly was Asha and Carla Conners. Next you brought up the pizza shop robbery. What actually happened was that Spider-Man explained what the woman had told him and then gave the PIZZA SHOP OWNER the choice of whether to send her to jail or to let her go. The shop owners chose to let her go. About people being friendly to him. It seemed like Nico was sort of disinterested at first but considering she saw him faint and nearly die (seemingly.) infront of her I imagine it kinda made a lasting impression with her and seemingly made him curious. Next the jock’s. Normally if the team captain says something the majority of the team copy his actions and what not. And why does the team captain like him? Because his girlfriend had told him Alot about how good she is. And yes, we know that Uncle Ben’s origin wasn’t featured here. But it also wasn’t featured till like the final 2 episodes of Spectacular Spider-Man and yet many praise that series as an amazing show. The plot of the first episode was a little slow but it’s called world building. You see doctor strange and venom to set up a later story line, you see Norman Osborn. In episode 2 we meet Carla Conners, Butane and many other future villains. Keep in mind they can’t just do everything within the first episode, it would feel way too bloated. By your logic spectacular, which you praised wouldn’t be very good since most of the episode is just fighting common criminals, school stuff and there’s only a brief clash against the vulture at the end of the episode.

[@MegatronTheDominator]

You said it like its explain everything, but honestly it still does not refute her arguments. -İts heavly implied multiple times in Spectacular show that he is doing this because of Uncle Ben. -90s Spiderman, Unlimited Spiderman, Spectacular Spiderman and etc have great dynamic action in their first episodes. -This show is 3D. İts suppose to have much more dynamic animation than all of the others. İts good, but its still not good as Spectacular and Ultimate. -They released this show after X-men 97. Spiderman and Mj teased in that show. So you must understand people now have much more higher standart for Spiderman. If this way released before, than people would not go that harsh on it.

[@whateverwhatever8094]

@ keep in mind the amount of changes that happened, the fact they needed to set it apart from other animated shows like invincible and other Spider-Man shows. People claim they want different things but then won’t shut up about it not being like the other things.

[@MegatronTheDominator]

@@whateverwhatever8094 ıf its not broke, do not fix it.

[@whateverwhatever8094]

@ but it was broke. Spider-Man 2017 did all the stuff and failed

[@MegatronTheDominator]

@@whateverwhatever8094 ı meant the 90s Spiderman.

[@HyperJohnua]

i love how so many shills are trying to prop this lazy slop as good

[@elfascisto6549]

What new spider-man cartoon ? Spectacular spider-man was the very last spiderman show and nothing new was made ever since

[@samflood5631]

What are your thoughts on Ultimate Spider Man and the 2017 Spiderman show?

[@Blazecap]

@@samflood5631 I would say not very positive. just a hunch

[@samflood5631]

@@Blazecap why’s that?

[@johnnyrocketed2225]

The entire reason Uncle Ben died was because Peter let a criminal go free… just like he did at the pizza place. 🤨

[@ab-gail]

There’s an episode of Arthur where a character, Sue Ellen I think, writes a short story that everyone dislikes because there’s no conflict. Once she finds that out she rewrites the story and people enjoy it more. These Spiderman writers need to be sent that episode lol.

[@TheVetoSkreeemer]

I will repeat myself, once in a while look classic movies , comics, books, there is great content you can find there and recommend .

[@aaronbood1999]

I do that anyway. Except reading ultimate spider man 2024

[@allthedumbthingz-oc5cc]

Your bad grammar is hard to read.

[@aaronbood1999]

@allthedumbthingz-oc5cc I understand what they mean

[@TheVetoSkreeemer]

@ If you say so.

[@HypeShot-27]

This was made by people who don't understand or believe "With great power comes great responsibility"

[@MegatronTheDominator]

I was gonna say no to title, because ı really enjoyed the show. But the more ı watched the vid, the more ı realized she is right.

[@allthedumbthingz-oc5cc]

Or to put it in layman’s terms; your jumping on the hate bandwagon like a mindless slave.

[@MegatronTheDominator]

@@allthedumbthingz-oc5cc whatever makes you happy

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

Watching people complain about a show you like tends to do that.

[@MegatronTheDominator]

Not really. I am still enjoyibg the show. I am just not glazing it.

[@JcgLounge]

The worst Spider-Man cartoon you've ever seen? Girl, have you seen 2017 Spider-Man from Disney XD?

[@PizzaTimeGuy]

Fr

[@VeronicaGroove]

We haven't even reached episode 3 yet and people want to make clickbaity statements.

[@thomasciuffreda8783]

Saw the first two episodes, then went on a forum I frequent to see people's reaction to the show. The fact that most people on there thought this show is *good* was insane to me. I want 45 minutes of my life back!

[@TheJanissary90]

Maybe people like this show because they liked to Ditko style?Or they liked bc they kept childish naive peter and protect his core.Its insane foe you bc maybe you are expecting copy paste 96 animation.Bro if we had people like you ,we couldnt get Spectacular Spider man.Crying bitches whining from first 2 seconds bc nobody bully peter and everyone is different skin colour.Absolute brainrotting

[@Xoulrath_]

I didn't think that it was good, but it wasn't bad either. I'll watch the second episode and go from there.

[@gempura]

It's a much harder to convince people to hatewatch a Spiderman show than a show like Velma.

[@Blazecap]

I mean it is a low bar after 2017 and Ultimate.

[@yowanehakuvoyakiloid]

They use Ditko's ideas, Ditko's issue titles for their episode titles, Ditko's characters and still they forget to make Peter objectivist coded when he was young, this is not how Ditko potrayed a young Peter Parker.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Silly Yowan you know damn well they don't have the balls to portray a Ditko style Peter on the small screen. He's much too selfish and an asshole for the MoDeRn AuDiEnCe'S taste. Even Spectacular didn't have the balls to go full Ditko on their Peter.

[@stanfordfeynman2796]

@@Drums_of_LiberationTNAS Peter came the closest I think, though there were a few early TAS episodes that had it if I remember correctly

[@Shockkings0714]

No one wants to see an a hole objectivist Spidey. It wasn't even good in the early ditko runs. Who wants that?

[@Shockkings0714]

No one wants to see an a hole objectivist Spidey. It wasn't even good in the early ditko runs. Who wants that?

[@bigboi5545]

@Shockkings0714 I do. It'd be a novel take for a mainstream adaptation, and would make for an excellent starting point to a potentially satisfying character arc.

[@timsoyer3840]

The show sucked. Please somebody buy Marvel from Disney.. Disney is destroying Marvel and Star Wars and every other franchise. I get there identity politics pushing hands on.

[@VOLDGAMER1]

it's very clear this show was supposed to be a iron boy jr spin off with race swapped norman taking the place of tony stark but they changed it last minute, so now we got green goblin jr instead. the animation looks worse than steamboat willie, the race swaps are just face palm worthy, the characters are terrible, somehow this got greenlit for 3 seasons, and the butchering of the 60's theme is unforgivable. we haven't had a good spider man show since spectacular spider man and it looks like it will remain that way.

[@justyouraveragebaka9493]

I’m gonna be so honest, I had no idea this was a thing so I didn’t ever see the trailer, but when you showed footage of the show my jaw dropped. It literally looks so bad, I can’t comprehend how this was even released.😬

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

"not enough action" -First episode is almost all action. "Everyone is nice to him at the internship" -Literally everyone was mean to him except two people.

[@agirlwholoveseeyore]

how bout it betrays the original source material and ppl should just let this character die until someone decides to actually just turn the original comics into a well done animation with good voices and sound design : )

[@Santiago.V7]

@agirlwholoveseeyore horrible take💀 worst than my aim in marvel rivals

[@Tigerkaya]

Feels very miles morales. Plain, edges all sanded off, and safe. No challenges no struggles

[@kaozspartan9289]

Do you mean the videogame version? He was ass but he was pretty great in the films

[@allthedumbthingz-oc5cc]

Be more specific which version your talking about, as Miles in the Spiderverse movies is great.

[@pizzatime4204]

He has struggles lol

[@jimmybiscuit]

The animation genuinely feels like an old video game cutscene except it's every second.

[@R6Skoga]

"Peter is a good person with good friends who lives a mundane life and is a superhero!" that is quite literally textbook spiderman.. like his life drama is usual turned up to a 10 in the comics but thats not essential for a good show, this statement reeks of a fundamental misunderstanding of spiderman 😭

[@mayotango1317]

You never read the Ditko Spider-Man.

[@R6Skoga]

@mayotango1317 I have read quite literally every Spiderman run from Ditko and Lee to as recent as ultimates, the only ones that I missed were the Mangas and other alternative forms of spiderman media like the chapter books

[@R6Skoga]

@mayotango1317 Ditko and Stan run focused almost primarily on Peter's struggles to maintain a normal life as Spider-Man, the character has LITERALLY outgrown these issues so God forbid a story not focus too much on already thread ground. this show honestly doesn't harm the character of spider-man on a character level

[@mayotango1317]

@R6Skoga Until John Romita Sr. Rewrite the character into a Chad.

[@jordongotthold5006]

It's because the writers only write what they know now none of them have these problems they the super popular people they can't relate to people who struggle

[@sanshinobi3664]

The fact that Peter Parker gets to actually breathe in the show almost makes to fire its shortcomings. *Almost.*

[@jalionelle9303]

What’s weird is we don’t actually know - at least in what’s been shown in the toon - if Uncle Ben is dead. They vaguely talk about him, put a glimmer on May’s wedding ring (still strange to hear Peter be on first name basis there) and just say “Ever since Uncle Ben…” Given this show’s first few episodes I halfway expect to find out it’s a divorce she’s getting over or Ben ran off with the savings. The pizza scene hit me weird too but for a different reason. I was just expecting, in typical Parker Luck - not the Johnny Storm view of Parker Luck that seems to be the usage of the title in episode two - for the store owner to say they were playing him or point out the delivery vehicle got busted up and ask if Spidey was going to pay for all the pizzas they couldn’t make money on now. A free pizza… this really is a friendly neighborhood -for- Spider-Man. (The voice lead - who I was surprised wasn’t another Jack Quaid appearance - had to have been sarcastic. When they reported on the comment the other day I remember thinking, “How does a show with an LGBTQ+ African-American Harry Osbourn, Nico Minoru as a supporting character, a non-albino and decent guy Lonnie Lincoln, an intern group where Peter’s the only white male, African-American female Doc Connors, etc. make this guy think the show is going for the anti-woke crowd?)

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

The prequel comic confirms Ben died before Peter became Spider-Man. He mentions to Nico he hates being "The Kid who's Uncle Died."

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

Ben is dead, Peter became Spider-Man because he was inspired by Ben's life lessons.

[@eraea9179]

The problem is they just make it as another alternate timeline shit when people wanted whatever shit the MCU peter did in the 6 months prior to Tony visiting him. I AM TIRED OF THE FUCKING MULTIVERSE

[@antwonsmith8931]

I'll just stick to the MTV Spider-Man.

[@arc8216]

I don't understand why people make excuses for this animation. This is Disney, Marvel and it looks like a video game cutscene struggling to run on your computer. They put billions of dollars into these streaming services and tens/hundreds of millions into these shows. In fact, when they use this style it doesn't take much computing power nor do they have to do much texture work.

[@Santiago.V7]

10:09 it makes more sense for Peter to be nice than a jerk since he lived with Uncle Ben and Aunt May probably the nicest people Peter knows

[@PrinceAliTheGreatest]

It doesn’t. Makes for sense for him to be off his rockers since he was written with the intension of being an angsty teenager. He was nice to people he liked-which was Aunt May and Uncle Ben. Everyone else could go to hell for all he cared for. He was a hotheaded jerk and grew into a better person as his original series progressed. This reminds me of the people who say “The X-Men were created to be an allegory for the Civil Rights movement.” when in actuality, that was an idea picked up further into their series, with Stan Lee stating himself he created them out of his own laziness to describe how these characters had powers.

[@Santiago.V7]

@PrinceAliTheGreatest it's not because he was originally written to be a angsty teen that it makes sense💀 if you grow up with nice people you will end up being a nice person that's just common sense

[@PrinceAliTheGreatest]

@ And if you’re an outcast, you’re be bitter towards the people who mock you and make fun of you. That’s also common sense, but you didn’t think about using that? Spider-Man is a boy teenage written to be relatable for teenage boys-meaning anything such as angst, sarcasm, snakiness, are traits he has because those are traits young males have. Tell my you know literally nothing about Spider-Man without telling you know nothing about Spider-Man.

[@pizzatime4204]

​@@PrinceAliTheGreatest here's the thing. In the original ditko run Peter was an outcast and had no one but his aunt and uncle. But in most interpretations Peter isn't alone and has friends who care about him, so it wouldn't make sense for peter to be a jerk.

[@PrinceAliTheGreatest]

@ Yeah-but those are other runs. We’re talking about his Ditko era of comic books before Ditko, and eventually Kirby left to go write and illustrate for DC comics.

[@tedturtle5032]

They did the reverse with the jocks liking him and the nerds not really liking him. Lonnie loves him and calls him his good luck charm however the nerds mock him for saying Osborn wants to see him, they think he is going to set fires after he makes an awkward comment about fires to run away to fight Butane, when the guard says Osborn wants to speak him later they go ooo and one of them is like well I probably won't remember your name bye Skeeter super quick.

[@RavenclawDaisy95]

Judging by the character model for Parker in the thumbnail, it looks like they blantantly traced over Milo Thatch's face from Atlantis.

[@stefemp]

Disney honestly have an amazing talent for making their shows bland with terrible character development.

[@tell-me-a-story-]

I don’t personally have a problem with Peter Parker being infantilized to some degree, just because in so many spider man films and shows, he doesn’t feel like a teenager at all. He feels like a 26 year old who is lingering around in high school for some reason. Which feels like a waist because why even make him a teenager if he’s not going to act like one? One of the things I loved the most about Miles Morales from “Into the spider-verse” was that he ACTUALLY felt like a teenager.

[@thatonechristianchic8275]

Well he’s a young man whose parents died, he was violently bullied and his uncle was murdered. So I understand him being angsty. Miles has had a whole lot of trams like that. But I definitely get your point that in the original movies he feels a bit too ground especially with the romances (I’m looking at you Garfield). I feel like the original spidey shows like Spectacular and Ultimate found a good balance.

[@tell-me-a-story-]

@@thatonechristianchic8275 Yeah, I think people forget that trauma doesn’t automatically turn you into an adult. In fact, a traumatized teen is even more likely to act emotional and impulsive due to not having the maturity to process what they’ve been through. I think Spectacular Spider Man also does a good job with this. Peter is super impulsive while still being really smart. He causes a lot of his own problems, but he’s also really good at solving them.

[@samflood5631]

When you put the whole 26 year old man lingering around high school like that, you make it seem like he's some kinda predator.

[@tell-me-a-story-]

@@samflood5631 Well it’s not my fault that teens in movies don’t look or act remotely like actual teens 😂😅

[@samflood5631]

@ Should there be a Spiderman Adaptation where Peter Parker is a High School Teacher?

[@Stubbled]

Like the green goblin said, people want to see the hero fail

[@stardust948.]

RIP Spectacular Spiderman. You were a real one.

[@karenbaldwin2867]

They have forgotten a very important fact, and that is Peter Parker is a Multiverse curse magnet!! The whole point of his character is that creation itself is actively trying to screw him over and you read to see how he’s going to scuttle through it somehow. This series is so bland and watered down that there is literally no conflict or story left and it is absolutely depressing.

[@muder0989]

If the truth should hurt them then let them writhe in pain. Thank you for your honesty 🙏

[@PizzaTimeGuy]

@@muder0989 Expect... She isn't. At some points she was just straight up lying to make it sound that this show is straight up trash. She says "not enough action" Literally episode 1 was full of action.😐 "Everyone was nice to him at that internschip in ep2" Wrong, only Dr Connors and Shuri were nice to him. The others were mean to him.

[@doclouis4236]

Into the Spider-verse and Insomniac's Spider-man are probably the biggest positive reasons as to why I support Sony keeping the rights to the Spider-man films in some ways over Disney and having made more interesting narratives revolving around Peter or Miles. Because - holy shit - I cannot imagine Disney ever making a competent animated Spider-man show or film that isn't focus tested to hell and back to appeal to the dumbest audience possible. I've seen this trend happen so often after the release of the MCU films with how Disney thinks Spider-man should be that so many fans have complained about it ever since Homecoming. I really hope more people notice and keep calling out these cheap imitations for what they are - bland, soulless, corporate, watered-down crap attempting to wear the skin of something it never was, like all those live-action slop remakes that Disney keeps making of their classic animated films.

[@marcusclark1339]

while true disney would butcher it, insomniac hasn't done a great job either and into the spiderverse is better than across so its still going downhill

[@doclouis4236]

@@marcusclark1339 I would still take anything over whatever Disney tries to cook up. They don't have anything worthwhile besides the MCU films that everyone has collectively started getting tired of their formulaic, goofy, corny, tension-less slop.

[@Blazecap]

Dude have you seen the way they BUTCHED vemon? Kraven? Those sony movies are the Slop people think the mcu is.

[@doclouis4236]

@@Blazecap Sony is only making those low effort movies just so they can keep some of the film rights to Spider-man. Once they stop making films, they lose the license completely.

[@tell-me-a-story-]

Look, I don’t like how some plots just torture Peter needlessly and never let him just be happy. But he should still have struggles. Happy medium you guys!

[@Santiago.V7]

5:40. It's the first episodes of the show. Peter life doesn't need to be hell right in the beginning of the show

[@redblueblur4271]

Honestly, I had zero expectations for this. Every Disney Spider-Man cartoon has been awful

[@dallasgrey4247]

8:05 um, what? Comics Kamala had tons of issues. The reason why she was so popular was because she acted a lot like a modern Peter Parker. It wasn’t until after her creator left the comic that it started to turn down hill and when the MCU got their hands on it plummeted.

[@kaior1]

Does she though I mean she doesn't really

[@dallasgrey4247]

@ yes she does. There’s an entire arc where her esteem issue becomes such a problem that she quits being Ms Marvel

[@SlimSamari]

This show feels like it was written by someone who doesn't understand human emotions.

[@NFHDonLawl3]

3:54 SCOTT PILGRIM TAKES OFF BE LIKE:

[@snoogler157]

We have to suffer 3 seasons of this instead of them bringing back Spider-man ‘98 or Spiderman unlimited which has a lot of potential for a really good retelling and was left off on a cliffhanger

[@freshfromnowhere]

You could have gotten be to believe this sucks purely on the premise that they're doing a spider-man series AGAIN! What, they couldn't bring back spectacular spider man? Were the concepts in the 90s series too much? Even Sam Raimi's trilogy had a short series! Do! Something! New!

[@PizzaTimeGuy]

5:00 Wtf are you talking about? Have you actually seen the first episode? Lmao 6:18 That's not true. Only Asha and Dr Connor's were supportive of him. The rest in the internschip were just mean to him. Edit: clarified a few things of what I actually meant.

[@whateverwhatever8094]

Fr but also that’s not Shuri.her name is Asha.

[@KAYRANINKANALI11000]

Uhh no. I watched 2 ep. 1. Early parts have the action. Most of the parts is him talking to other people. 2. They literally give him golden award. Honestly his friend, Lonnie, is the one who get bullied.

[@PizzaTimeGuy]

@@whateverwhatever8094 Mb. Asha said that she came from Wakanda and she kinda looks like Shuri too.

[@PizzaTimeGuy]

@@KAYRANINKANALI11000 He didn't get the award. Lonnie lets him hold it, because the cup is meant to give someone good luck. And he let him hold it to wish him good luck on his internschip. Because the show clearly implies that Lonnie wants to be Peter's friend. Because Lonnie wants someone who understands his science side of things.

[@KAYRANINKANALI11000]

@@PizzaTimeGuy ı never said he keept it.

[@nigel_saxon]

"Spiderman is dead." - Linkara

[@justalonelystrider5522]

THANK GOD!!! SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE CHARACTER!!!

[@Shadow0464-ey9eh]

I hate how Marvel these days is trying so hard to turn Spider-Man into a cringe stereotypical generic modern teen archetype. We get it he's supposed to be relatable, but by that point they're about to erase his "Peter Parker" persona and just turn him into white Miles Morales. Spectacular Spider-Man is the perfect example of how to do modern teenage Spider-Man without taking away his classic traits just for the sake of making him relatable to the new generations.

[@JurassicRod]

Does the show address the white genocide that appears to have happened in New York for Peter to be the only white person left in the city? Seems an intriguing plot point they've set up. Bit confused as to why Harry Osborn and Flash Thompson are black girls now though. Were they mutated by Miles Warren?

[@little-miss-horror6036]

Okay that is not what white genocide is and that’s a very racist rhetoric that stems from alt right talking points The show is indeed boring, but holy shit this comment screams N@zi talking points

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Honestly Flash being a black chick is a mercy compared to his soy filled MCU version.

[@Shockkings0714]

Thanks for saying you're talking out of your ah Neither of them are girls and that isn't Flash. Next

[@Shockkings0714]

Thanks for saying you're talking out of your ah Neither of them are girls and that isn't Flash. Next

[@CYCLOPS1994]

Anyone who watches this disgusting show has self-loathing.

[@Santiago.V7]

13:31, you said he had no flaws, then you say he is immature💀

[@GlGAPEPE]

wait... there is no uncle BEN !!!! it's like not killing Batman's parents or not knocking the head of Goku wtf

[@ThW5]

Exactly, Peter can have friends, success in school, no problem paying the rent, he can even have an Uncle Ben surviving the shooting, but without Uncle Ben becoming the victim of Spider-Man's lack of volunteering to help law enforcement, you have no Spider-Man...

[@thewolfofwallstreet627]

To add to your points, Peter Parker was always something of a social outcast, and a loser who couldn't get girls to like him prior to becoming Spider-Man. That's why he developed even more of an ego after he got his powers, which resulted in him being humbled by Uncle Ben's death, as you alluded to. This made the character relatable to a lot of comic book readers, who read the comics to feel empowered. And considering Peter wasn't that much different than the reader was going through problems like paying bills, putting up with an overbearing boss, and etc, it made him very relatable. At no point should Peter ever feel like a Gary Stu. Ever. That's not who Peter Parker is.

[@DK-th5nt]

Holland's spidey is more like Iron Boy to be honest.

[@Michelle-b7v8t]

Literally the only 2 spiderman cartoons that started with his origin was the 1960's cartoon, the 2017 cartoon, and i think the mtv cgi cartoon. Spectacular Spiderman also time skipped past the uncle ben death and instead had the death be central later on in the series. The 90's spiderman cartoon also did that. Same with both 80's spiderman cartoons.

[@Dev_A_Station]

Raimi: harry dies a sad death Webb: dane dehan Feige: whatever tf this is. Lowkey tired of seeing harry done dirty 🤣

[@moviehermit5631]

And the thing is, it's entirely possible to completely change the entire setup while still making it a good story. Just look at the new Ultimate Comics Spider-man run. Those comics changed every aspect with Peter never getting his powers at 15 because of time travel, Uncle Ben still being alive, Aunt May dying recently in an explosion, Peter being married to MJ and being a father, choosing to have the spider bite him, etc. The reason that works and this show doesn't is because it's interesting to see Peter become Spider-man as a father and how his age impacts his methods and mentality about it. And the new timeline creates more opportunities for the writers to get extra creative instead of feeling pressured to follow certain story beats for the hundredth time. It's almost funny how this era of MCU Spider-man is so against addressing Uncle Ben's existence that it's gotten to the point he's been completely erased from the origin entirely. He canonically died before the spider bite, so Peter never has that experience of being selfish with his powers and learning this lesson of responsibility that motivates him. They're so scared of painting any negative light on their characters that they make them as squeaky clean as possible (Iron Man 2 was supposed to adapt the "Demon in a bottle" storyline that addressed Tony's alcoholism, but the executives didn't want kids to see Iron Man in that light, so they minimized it to the Palladium poisoning. Same concept here of not wanting Peter to ever look selfish or irresponsible). It's just so boring to the point where Lonnie Lincoln is already a way more interesting character than Peter is. When a character's only flaw is that they're awkward, it just empty because that's not something to overcome or learn from, it's the idea of what teenagers are like. They've leaned so far into Spider-man's youth that they completely forgot about how being Spider-man helped Peter grow up and mature. Which is why it's so agonizing when Peter acts exactly the same as he normally does with or without the mask. There's such little depth or charm to the character because he's been branded with being an overly polite clutz that it's becoming the new standard because people think *that's* what makes him relatable. I don't want to gate-keep what Spider-man is supposed to be in every single adaptation, but I do think that all the choices they've made so far just make Peter a boring character. That scene where he vouched for the thief would have worked better with the lens of Peter knowing what it's like to make a stupid decision and regretting it. Something in how she talked would have resonated with him, so him vouching is less out of naivety and more out of understanding what it's like to make mistakes and wanting to be better. And funnily enough out of everything MCU related with Spider-man, his appearance is Civil War is my favourite characterization. Similar to how Stan Lee had the one opportunity to write the comic that gave this cautionary tale, Spider-man's appearance in Civil War was so last minute with such a small role that the Russo Brothers had to nail it. So in that small appearance, they give us everything we need to know about this Peter. He dumpster dives, he gets defensive, he built all his own gear, he doesn't tell Aunt May because he knows she'd freak out, and he gives a perfect modernized rendition of the "great power" mantra that brings back the original version where it's a lesson that Peter came to realize instead of Uncle Ben's iconic phrase or last words to Peter. Then Homecoming shows up and exaggerates these traits where he seems even less experienced than before, has a best friend we don't know any history about, Aunt May's become a sex object because Tony complimented her, and Peter is suddenly a big fan of Star Wars because he referenced the Empire Strikes Back to take down Giant Man with phrasing that sounded like he only saw it once or twice years ago. He was flanderized from the start and it became all he was defined as. I'm still gonna watch the rest of the show to make a complete opinion, but there's just so many things that reflect the problems of these modern renditions of Spider-man. Side notes I don't want to make a paragraph out of; - While Peter's pursued older women like Betty Brandt in past renditions, making it his old babysitter is just weird and is designed for second hand embarrassment in a relationship we know will never actually happen (Compare that to Spectacular Spider-man's Liz and how it makes the fans invested in the relationship even though it doesn't work out). - Aunt May looks like she's had 3 rounds of plastic surgery. - Having a cartoon try to emulate the real world and real people makes it stiff and restricted in what they can do. - Stop making homemade costumes intentionally bad, especially if it's a suit that sticks around for more than a short sequence/narrative chapter - Peter sucks at keeping his identity a secret. - Everyone is too accepting of Spider-man, I doubt New York has ever been this polite - While Spider-man has seeked the approval of others in his early days, it's been an internal desire, not something he vocalizes like being hurt that people think his crappy costume looks like crap. - With each adaptation, Peter's classic anger and attitude gets diminished to the point he isn't allowed to be angry unless the symbiote is at play or a loved on is dead. A super polite Gary-Stu just doesn't feel like he'd ever become a vigilante. This show just has a lot of concepts where some work in the moment, then the rest just bog it down. I especially wish it was in 2D animation because the posters and character sheets look better when they aren't 3D models with flat shading. It's crazy that the MTV Spider-man objectively has better animation than this show because they're more creative with what they do (I do like the 60's inspired art style, it just doesn't belong on 3D models the way they did it.

[@PrinceAliTheGreatest]

Agreed with the homemade suits. Peter is creative and a genius too the point where he can create a complex device such as web-shooters, and web-fluid too do what most wires in real life can’t replicate, in some adaptions create tracking devices, But somehow isn’t creative enough to make his original iconic costume? Never made sense.

[@mrflibble3513]

They changed everything so much that it isn't even Spider-Man anymore. It's just called Spider-Man to con people into tuning in. They use the name because if they made this an original story, nobody would watch it. These writers have no talent and no idea how to make a hero story. It's all the same nonsense one liners, poor motivations, and weird race commentary.

[@IdenNonya]

way to be super flippin' cynical, I really hope you have the same energy with the MCU Petey (which I wouldn't put it past you)

[@AustinH7]

You’d think this show takes place in Africa ngl. There’s diversity then there’s pandering.