What if Majora's Mask Made Our Moon Fall?

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Link faced a terrible fate in The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask, but did he really have 3 days to prevent it if it were OUR moon? Kyle has the earthly science on this week’s Because Science!
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• MOON FALL EQUATION: nerdi.st/2kRBHFp
• RADIAL ELLIPTIC TRAJECTORY: nerdi.st/2xNbjWt
• FREE FALL TIME TO POINT SOURCE OF GRAVITY: bit.ly/2sNtcyN
• HOW LONG EARTH FALL INTO SUN?: bit.ly/2JuRyYx
• MAJORA’S MASK CONSTELLATIONS: bit.ly/2HqyNjC

[@becausescience]

Hey! Thanks for watching. This episode was just for me; love that game. Anyway, a lot of comments about my assumptions, and about why the moon doesn't move through the sky if it's stopped, etc. I'll try to answer all this in the next Footnotes, but for now I'll say that my goal -- opposed to something like a Game Theory -- is to find some science that we can learn about in our favorite pop-culture properties, not exactly explain what happens in-game, in-movie, in-book, etc. In my opinion, that style often gets too far away from my main goal: education. *So* yes, there are many parts that don't quite fit, but I think learning about basic orbital mechanics, Newton, Kepler, and math is more important. And thanks to everyone who keeps the comments here civil and fun. -- KH

[@norisboris1564]

Hey Kyle just wanted to say I really like your content. I think you're great. That's all really. Love u

[@electric9260]

I found the solution of using the formula for the orbit very neat and elegant instead of going through many more complicated calculation. Is also so much fun to interact with you expanding first approximation in the footnotes. Again great Show!

[@Merlin7]

Thank you thank you thank you! Majora's Mask is my favorite video game and the Zelda series is one of my favorite series ever. I'm so glad you did this episode. Please do more Nintendo episodes: Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc

[@jackielinde7568]

Because Science: I see you've been watching MatPat's The Game Theory channel again.

[@overestimatedforesight]

I enjoyed this! There is a place for the MatPats of KZbin, and I enjoy his content as well, but your videos are equally enjoyable as you approach from the science side of things. Videos like this enhance my enjoyment of the original content.

[@tarthoron4696]

The extra 1.8 days could have happened in the time between Skull Kid stealing the mask and Link arriving at Termina. The townsfolk are definitely aware that something's up the second Link comes out of the tower.

[@Fanatic_Foremem]

So does anyone remember that 4 days was the original planned time for majoras mask before they shortened it to three? Given that the intro of the game could easily have lasted a couple of hours, this is insanely acurate.

[@alianouer8619]

it was originally going to be 7

[@Fanatic_Foremem]

@@alianouer8619 Think that didn't come out until a few years after my post

[@bowserfierykoopaking4235]

​@@Fanatic_Forememthere is a glitch in 64 version of 4th day. It was removed in 3ds version.

[@Fanatic_Foremem]

@@bowserfierykoopaking4235 thank you for mentioning that, but that is not what I was referring to

[@PhirePhlame]

Majora/Skull Kid could have possibly given the moon a push, too. If you remember, in the climax of the game, after the Giants stop the moon, Majora causes the moon to exert even more force, so it's not out of the question for this to have happened at the beginning also.

[@orobs9780]

In the game development reunion: -So, how much time we set for the moon to fall down? -How about "3 days"? -Why? -Why not? -Ok then. ** Whispers in the background ** -I wonder how many people will try to find logic in this on the future lol

[@stLmpp]

this

[@RabblesTheBinx]

Actually, it was supposed to be a week, but was cut down to get the game out faster.

[@notafurry5965]

I think they originally tried to do 7 days, but due to time constraints they had to cut it down to 3

[@VolatileViolet]

Even so, a week is only two days more than 4.8 days, so both scenarios are roughly two days off. It's actually pretty crazy.

[@HORRIOR1]

If the moon in Majora's Mask is the same size as ours, how much liquid do those eyes have inside them?

[@ilovepinatas3179]

HORRIOR now I want to know too!

[@HouseholdWheel]

gross

[@Beegrene]

Too much

[@FREAKout59]

you are asking the important questions lol

[@pinkyogurt6359]

The real question is how many countries would go deaf if it yelled out *i shall consume everything* only a mile out from impact

[@AuraTale]

Hello Kyle. I wish to point out that originally, Termina's Moon was actually going to fall in the course of 7 days, but they cut down to 3 days during production. Therefore, we could assume that Skull Kid obtained the Majora Mask 4 days before Link's arrival to Termina and had already summoned the Moon to Termina. Which 7 days still works for a time that the moon falls into the Earth.

[@WelshnutterGaming]

1)The other 1.8 can be explained away by saying that it started to happen before link arived 2)Majora's mask has multiple time based abilities so could the ability to stop the mood dead be a unknown timestop ability 3)If you look at channels like game theory and and the science of they estimate that the planet is or is very close to earth and the moon is roughly the size of earths moon so to use earth as example numbers work 4)If the moon was tidel locked wouldnt we have more problems like flooding and crazy weather like hurricane s Btw my sone who just turned 3 loves to watch the show and loves it when you react to the drawings

[@becausescience]

Tell him I said hello! -- KH

[@concept5631]

​@@becausescience Son is now 8 Very cool

[@rwhe423723]

"Dawn of the First Day - 4.8 days remain" Great touch, KH. Great touch.

[@xboxgamer8381]

Erm actually it’s dawn of the first segment

[@aironic6216]

I like to think that the extra 1.8 days already happened before Link reached Termina, because in the game, the skull kid already has the mask and the moon is already falling AND most of the people already know about the terrible situation.

[@kingblaze420gh7]

AirFord also the fact that as the moon got closer it would be falling faster which would cut down the 4.8 days some too

[@greatduck5297]

I don't think he was saying the game was wrong. He was just saying that the game is so close that it's really neat how accurate an arbitrary design choice actually was.

[@greatduck5297]

The game was originally going to have 7 days so we know that the 3 days isn't due to any research by nintendo.

[@otakuribo]

*the entire story of Majora's Mask* : OWAE WA MO SHINDERU *Link* : *_Nani!?_*

[@Regimajegi]

Something to note is that the game only starts when you have 3 days remaining. That doesn't necessarily mean that the Skull Kid cast the spell to cause the moon to fall the moment you step out of the doors. Perhaps he cast the spell 1.8 days prior to that time. That would make it 100% accurate no? :)

[@serge263]

I mean, looking at it, the people were already REACTING to the moon. Meaning it had been there shortly before Link arrived.

[@mr.incorporeal7642]

Something that hit me: The moon *didn't* just stop dead in its tracks and *didn't* just fall straight down. At least if I remember correctly, the moon stays in the same place above the main town as it falls over all three days/nights. This leads me to the assumption that instead of falling straight down, it's falling at an angle with a speed and trajectory that perfectly matches the planet's rotation. How might that change the math involved?

[@rmsgrey]

The only ballistic trajectories that stay directly over a fixed point on the Earth's surface are circular geostationary orbits (which never impact) and infinite speed vertical trajectories (which impact as soon as they start). In a ballistic trajectory, the apparent motion of the orbiting object speeds up as it gets closer (according to one of Kepler's Laws that states that an orbiting body sweeps out equal areas in equal time - so as radial distance r decreases, angular velocity dT/dt increases to keep rdT/dt constant). In other words, to stay directly overhead while falling toward a rotating planet, the Moon would have to be maneuvering under power rather than being in free-fall. And if it's making a powered descent, then all bets are off...

[@Ninjaananas]

rmsgrey Well, it IS manuevering under Majora's power.

[@greatduck5297]

Correction: It IS Majora and it is maneuvering on its own.

[@seanmckenzie3877]

+Great Duck >tfw you think so highly of your own head-canon you make a "Correction"

[@greatduck5297]

+Spooky TV The game itself states that the moon is a massive living monster....

[@Lrbearclaw]

Kyle, one thing you need to remember is that in Majora's Mask the people are aware of the moon coming closer. As if it has been falling already before Link came out of the Clocktower (which is his "checkpoint"). So even if the moon has been falling a day and a half before Link stepped out, it fits the narrative of the game perfectly. I would say that Nintendo did their homework and made a story that makes logical sense. Because that's a Science Theory. Wait... What?

[@HeroofTime123]

Lrbearclaw I was going to mention this exactly. At the start of the game, Skull Kid already has the mask and had been messing things up all over Termina. It’s very possible that he started making the moon fall before Link got there.

[@ddsjgvk]

Nintendo doesn't care about story

[@AuraTale]

Originally there was going to be 7 days to Majora's Mask, but was cut down to 3. :)

[@66665555]

This episode was my favorite! When he did the Skull kid cry I almost fell over in amazement!! It was cool to reminisce about the game. Kudos sir

[@HouseholdWheel]

4:19 that moment when somthing just clicks and you suddenly understand, simultaneously feeling really smart and really dumb. The human brain is weird.

[@GabiiiDeltor]

Okay, so I was super curious about something, so I looked up some numbers then did the math. I wanted to know if the force we found from impact was enough to launch termina, or at least earth, out of orbit. Since in your video, you used life like comparisons, I'll do the same. The amount of force needed for the earth to be launched out of the gravitational pull of both the sun and the moon is 437,224,183,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000j and 3,799,517,232,000,000,000,000,000,000,000j respectively. So, I then did the math for how much mass that the moon would have based on your numbers (7×10^22) which was 39,098,210,485,829,880,490,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. So with this, I could check the joules it would give with it's velocity, which I also did the math for, is 3,336.806 km/h. My god... The potential energy of termina's moon, It's 14,322,949,908,931,312,320,000,000,000,000,000,000,000j. By looking back on how many joules it would take for the earth to be launched out of orbit, this overthrows both the amount needed to get out of both the sun and moon's gravitational pull, and were talking about the moon hitting the earth in this situation. The moon Is hitting termina or even just earth with enough energy to literally launch it not only out of orbit, but most likely out of the solar system. This is most likely the most destructive thing I've ever seen in a videogame. (Sources and tools) www.omnicalculator.com/physics/potential-energy www.omnicalculator.com/physics/velocity www.omnicalculator.com/math/exponent www.quora.com/How-much-force-would-you-need-to-knock-the-earth-out-of-orbit I think this was two hours well spent.

[@nhogan84]

.............cool!

[@gmanwilll]

The moon and the earth would both accelerate toward each other with equal and opposite forces. Thus, there would be no net force in appropriate direction to launch out of orbit (assuming their collective center of mass remains orbiting normally about the sun during this whole ordeal). Either an external force (external to the system of the earth and the moon) would have to accelerate the center of mass between the earth and the moon (or whatever is left after collision) away from its tangential trajectory around the sun or enough mass would have to be ejected far enough away to substantially change the earth-moon system mass (thus changing the orbital shape). Kinetic energy is also not conserved, much of it would be absorbed in the collision. Momentum, however, is. So the point of this ramble is a kinetic energy value of either body won't really predict launching out of orbit. Sorry, shouldn't try to think this late...

[@lazycouch1]

Interesting side note. It depends on the relative angles of contact. Like a head on collision or getting rammed from behind. Whether it speeds up Planet Termina or slows it down, or a side angle. In a real scenario you chance glancing blows. This assumes both objects wouldn't crumble and shatter; where one half stays and the other splits with greater comparative energy/momentum.

[@giggityguy]

But some of the other physics in the game don't really make sense. In the game, the moon always appears to be directly overhead, not moving in the sky at all. If the moon literally just stopped in place, the planet would continue to rotate underneath it, so it would not remain stationary overhead from our perspective on the ground, but actually cross the sky much like the sun. In order for it to remain fixed in the same spot overhead, it would need to actually continue to revolve around the planet at the same rate that the planet is rotating, like a geosynchronous satellite. But geosynchronous satellites have to orbit at a very specific distance to maintain their orbit, because they have to be going an exact speed to keep up with the rotating planet while balancing the acceleration of gravity as it decreases as you go farther away from the center. Our moon is much farther away than this geosynchronous distance, and so it would have to actually go much FASTER than it currently does in order to keep up with the rotating planet. But if it were going at the speeds necessary to match its orbital period to the planet's rotational period, the gravity it experiences at its orbital distance would actually be too small to hold it in orbit. Instead of falling to the planet's surface, it would go flying off into space.

[@becausescience]

You're killing it today dude -- KH

[@goast_cuard]

Darn, I was thinking about the same problem, but you got to it first. Fair's fair I guess. Hope your comment gets shown in a corrections section

[@vestofholding]

Immediately my first thought too. I see two interesting questions worth answering out of this: 1. While leaving the orbital speed of the moon alone, how much time would it take to impact the Earth if just enough force was applied to it in order for it to be coming closer to the planet, rather than away from it, as it is now? And what would that minimal force be? 1a. Same question as 1, but change the orbital speed of the moon so that it has a geosynchronous orbit with the Earth. 2. Same as 1, but come from the other direction: Assume it will take the moon 72 hours to fall. How much force would it take to push the moon from its current orbit to do that? EDIT: Ok, yeah, really three or four questions depending on how you split this up. :P

[@JadinHanson]

I had the same idea, but man, your comment crushes mine like a falling moon. Nice science.

[@jbolseng]

Another critical part of this would be: If the moon was truly stopped in space, where the moon was in relation to the earths orbit. Would the Earth wave to it as it flew by, would Earth wave as it was left behind, only to find it one year later, or would Earth scream in terror as the moon was playing a galactic game of chicken.

[@R3_Live]

So, hang on a sec. If the moon was falling down in a straight line, then wouldn't it still rise and set? The planet is still rotating under that trajectory. If you wanted to match the way it looked in the game, then two things would need to be true: 1. The moon would need to be tidally locked with the planet. (It's rotational velocity is equal to it's orbital velocity such that one side of the moon is always facing the surface of the planet.) 2. The planet would need to be tidally locked with the moon. (At least in respect to the surface of the planet; since the closer to the planet it fell, the slower the orbit would need to be for it to remain "stationary" in the sky.) If these two things weren't true, then from the perspective of the surface of the planet, the moon would still appear to move across the sky.

[@BikeHelmetMk2]

Another thought - "falling down in a straight line" requires a relative stop. If you perform an absolute stop (all particles cease movement) for the moon, then you have approximately a planet sized chance that the moon will be in the planet's path, and slam into the planet at the planet's speed plus the calculated acceleration. There is a much greater chance that the moon will be elsewhere in its orbit, and will dance away from the planet - or for that matter, dance away from the entire solar system. The Solar System is travelling at an average speed of 828,000 km/h according to Google, while Kyle is placing this moon < 400,000 km away on average, but providing times to impact in the range of several days. If the moon happened to "stop" behind the planet's orbit, after just an hour it'd already be three times as far away. And of course, looking at it inversely means that using the speed of our solar system, an impact from the moon scoring a direct hit on the planet when it stops (by being in that teeny tiny planet-sized area on a direct collision path) would be truly catastrophic. I think I'd feel sorry for the moon if it happened to stop absolutely when our solar system was at its highest or lowest point above the galactic plane. Depending on our galaxy's momentum/direction, the moon might shoot off into the space between galaxies, never to be heard from again for billions of years.

[@Felipeddd1988]

Exactly the comment that i was going to make :)

[@tuckergymnest0]

Wooah that would definently change some values. The orbital distance of the moon would change with the velocity. A geostationary orbit is 35,786km above the earths surface the moons radius is only about 2 - 3 percent of that. This means thst there would be no way ( that i can think of) that the moon would be able to fall while in a geostatiknary orbit

[@tuckergymnest0]

Wait a sec. Of you were at the north or south pole it would fix the problem of the moon not rising and setting. It would just be really cold

[@shindoko]

r315r4z0r how long is that 72hrs tho in real time vs game time and does this game even have day to night cycles

[@m.gov.10]

Hope you do more videos like this on games and tv shows. One thing I always wanted to know how the stem system works in the evil within and how hard it would be to maintain a machine like it

[@doctor_1190]

I would totally go to watch Sunfall.

[@axe693axe]

"SUNFALL" Coming Soon This Summer

[@AncapAir]

What if Skull Kid stopped the moon a day and a half before he first attacked Link? That would also make the timeline work as well too. The people in Clock Town seemed to already hear rumors of the falling moon at the dawn of the first day.

[@bubbles69138]

I started watching BECAUSE SCIENCE video's because NOT ONLY is it interesting, and educational... the comedy thrown in makes it SOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo much more enjoyable!! PLEASE... Keep to your roots!!

[@samblitz1527]

Hi Kyle - quick correction. You used half the period given by Kepler's third law to determine the time to fall, but half the orbital period is not how long it takes to go from its furthest distance to the center of the system - that would be one quarter of the orbital period. That's because one full orbit would consist of passing through the center of the system, going to that same distance on the other side, and then back. EDIT: Thanks to rmsgrey - he checked over Kyle's work and provided some good explanation for why my reasoning above was incorrect. In short, I was assuming that my intuition for non-singular forces (like gravity) would apply in the case where the force is singular. However, because the force goes to infinity as one approaches the point source for attraction, one cannot actually compute the time for infalling. In fact, one has to instead take the limit as the initial angular momentum goes to zero, and that's where we see the "hairpin turn" come from. I was assuming oscillatory motion, which cannot happen in a point-source gravitational system. My intuition (from, for example, calculating the time for an object to fall through the center of the earth) was flawed, because in that case, the force goes linearly as the distance from the center of the earth, rather than inversely as the square.

[@saablazer1658]

Sam Blitz Yup. The Earth would be the center of the orbit, not the end.

[@christophergasser4280]

Sam Blitz I was thinking the same thing, although a quarter would still be just under two and a half days, so it's still really close to the game.

[@Toastbrot_Esser]

I was just about to comment that ^^

[@in_the_wake]

He's actually correct to use half. If you increase the eccentricity the foci of the ellipse move closer to the edges. In a perfect line the foci would be at each end of the orbit. So using half isn't quite wrong. Although you do have to factor in a small amount of distance due to the radius of the earth and the moon, but it's such a small factor that it won't affect your equation by any significant figures.

[@Artaimus]

I think he's only using half since he's putting the earth on the far end of the line instead of the middle.

[@thisguy6110]

Never would of thought id see thor wearing majoras mask... wait... nah, that is definitely thor

[@small_SHOT]

yes definitely thor

[@Arcane101X]

The joy Kyle has at 4:20 is soothing. Also tl:dr that golden nose stinger is true. The more you know.

[@WillMoff0]

A couple of points here. 1st: the moon stays in orbit around the planet relative to the town, so it is moving in its orbit still. 2nd: the moon in MM is drastically smaller than ours, being about the size of the town in diameter. this would mean it would take a lot longer to fall like this, although 3rd: 72 hours is the time that we are given from when we enter Termina, not necessarily from when the moon starts to fall.

[@EmperorAvalon]

oh because science AND zelda, I'm in.

[@balaam_7087]

I’d love to see the physics behind Earthworm Jim’s bovine catapult :3

[@tigerino2]

Awesome video! The only problem I have with this is that the moon in the game appears to be much smaller than our own. When the moon crashes into the town, you can see that its diameter is maybe twice that of the city walls, while our own moon has a diameter of 3474 kilometers. As you know from playing the game the town isn't that big so there's no way the moon can have the same diameter as our own moon.

[@Yokai0711]

As someone who played the game like 5000 times throu, I have to add something. When Skullkid ambushed Link and led him to termania, he was already possesed by majoras mask. Tatl and tale explained how the skull kid was nice before he stole that mask, and how they where sitting in a hollow tree for cover from the rain. It's the same tree that you can see when leaving the city throu the south exit towards Swamp/Farm. So those Events in termania happened before the story of the game started! So it's possible that he already started pullng down the moon, let's say a day and 19 hours earlier :-P Love your show! :-)

[@SciFurLycan]

the majora's mask moon falling predicted infinity war 😤😤😤

[@Sl4yer951]

Majora's mask also predicted the Time Stone from the Doctor Strange movie. :O

[@TheKnuckleneck]

But couldn't predict Star-Lord's dipshittery. CHAOS THEORY.

[@ruyman90]

What about the defeat of dormammu? Regressing and repeating the time over and over.

[@Paur]

I wish. Thanos "throwing the moon" only turned out to be him tossing some rocks from it's surface. Disappointing.

[@NytanThePetLobstetEnthusiast]

Link dies in infinity war?

[@ruyman90]

well given that characters ingame comment how closer they see the moon recently even when you first arrive would mean that it takes more than 3 days for the moon to hit earth, it just happens that you arrive on the 3 days mark. By the way can you do a super nerd shout without the effects, just curiosity.

[@alexkuhn5188]

Kyle a few things I noticed when I was watching a 100% walkthrough let’s play. First the moon seems to be a portal to a pocket dimension because when you enter the moon to face the final boss you find yourself in a field of grass with only a single tree, you can tell it is a pocket dimension because you can try moving away from the tree when you first enter after walking away from the tree it doesn’t take any longer to reach the tree. Second the place you appear upon entering the moon has several children near the tree so this points to the moon being an entrance to a pocket dimension too. Finally because of what I said above we can come to one of three conclusions about what happens when you enter the moon: option 1. the moon is simply hollow but time passes much quicker inside the moon when compared to Termina; option 2. The moon is a portal into a pocket dimension; option 3. Entering the moon put us inside of Majora’s Mask and the 5 children by the tree are aspects of Majora. No matter which of the 3 conclusions you agree with the Moon in Majora’s Mask is not simply just a moon, something about it is different. Personally I say the 3rd option is more likely because after beating Majora the Happy Mask Saleman says that the evil has left the mask.

[@TheVortex196]

Some people have already mentioned it and it would take alot more maths to solve but we would also need to figure out the orbit termina's planet is zooming through space around its sun and how fast the planet is spinning, cause the moon would have to be falling in a spiral from where it started rather then a straight line since we can see the moon the whole time during the game. (just a minor technicality, loved the episode!)

[@SwifferSaturdays]

i love this show so much

[@becausescience]

Thank you Ian! Very kind, trying my best -- KH

[@ZUMYnivedo]

Wouldnt you use 1/4 of the orbital revolution instead of 1/2? If the elliptical path is virtually straight, then it would be stopped 1/4 of the way 'around' the earth on its orbital path.

[@rmsgrey]

The Earth isn't at the center of the ellipse - rather it's at once of the focii - which is at the far end of the ellipse once it collapses to a straight line.

[@Vinyacardo]

@rmsgrey if so that would explain why the moon is falling very slowly at the end. The speed is slowest at the far ends of the ellipse, and with a straight line it would have to stop completely (and then go back up and fly away). However to calculate the speed of free fall you'd have to place earth at the center.

[@rmsgrey]

As the elliptical orbit approaches a straight line in and back, perigee gets closer and closer to the point mass the Earth is being modeled as, and the point mass the Moon is modeled as gets accelerated more and more rapidly - as the eccentricity approaches 1, the distance of closest approach between the two point bodies approaches 0, so the gravitational force between them approaches infinity. In other words, the Moon would momentarily be moving at ludicrous speed before flying out in the direction it came from. Of course, the model fails well before that point when the non-point physical Moon collides with the non-point physical Earth - well before relativistic effects would kick in (also making the model diverge from reality)

[@chubzchubz5780]

I was inspired by your statement about needing "very complicated maths" to calculate the changing force between a moon and planet over time (With a simple computer program, it doesn't). I also wanted to see if there was a noticeable difference between calculating this value taking the moon's movement only into account (assuming the planet remains stationary) versus taking both accelerations into account (assuming the two bodies both fall toward each other, since the force should be equal and opposite). I was able to accomplish the calculation using an iterative computer program (very simple maths indeed), which I created in Excel Visual Basic for Applications (Code below). The functions solve Newton's law of gravitation initially, then feed value into Newton's third law to calculate acceleration values. A timestep is defined and the instantaneous velocity and position changes are recorded. The time is then incrimented by the timestep and the process repeats until a radius value below 0 is obtained (indicating a big 'ol crash). A timestep of 1 second was used. This results in ~hundreds of thousands of timepoints being iterated through. I found that the calculations for Earth and Earth's moon differed by only 0.578% (4.814 days for moon and planet motion, 4.842 days for moon motion only). - This confirms gut-check wisdom, since the Earth is much more massive than the moon, it's motion would be expected to much less - For other planetary bodies in the solar system (see below), the difference is effectively 0% after rounding I also thought it would be fun and super nerdy to calculate the moon-fall times for various bodies in the solar system. You would be pleased to know that all are within the ballpark of the Majora's Mask, with the closest being Saturn and Titan at 2.816 days. My results are below: One interesting result is that Mars' moon would fall in about 45 minutes, similar to your "close condition" at the end of the video (Phobos is only 6000 km from Mars, super close). Earth - Moon fall: - 4.814 days Mars - Phobos fall: - 0.029 days Jupiter - Ganymede fall: - 1.264 days Saturn - Titan fall: - 2.816 days Uranus - Titania fall: - 1.538 days Neptune - Triton - 1.039 days Sun - Earth - 64.562 days The program contains three functions (one for the case of moon moving only and one for both moon and planet only, and one subroutine to call the functions and output the result in Message Boxes). You can copy and paste this code into an Excel macro enabled workbook module and run the subroutine, or create your own subroutines that call the functions. This iterative, programmatic approach is extremely effective at any "value changing over time" problem, very common in acceleration or heat transfer problems. From a fellow engineer and super nerd, - Chubz (thechubzzz) '---------VBA CODE BELOW: (Use alt + F11 in Excel to open a the VBA editor, create a new module, paste all the code below, and run Execute_Moon_Planet_Time) Option Explicit Sub Execute_Moon_Planet_Time() Dim moonAndPlanet As Double Dim moonOnly As Double Dim percentDifference As Double 'Note: due to KZbin comment limit, Calculate_Time_Moon_Only function not present 'Earth and moon moonAndPlanet = Calculate_Time_Moon_And_Planet(6E+24, 7E+22, 384400000, 1) 'moonOnly = Calculate_Time_Moon_Only(6E+24, 7E+22, 384400000, 1) percentDifference = ((moonOnly - moonAndPlanet) / moonOnly) * 100 MsgBox "Earth and moon" & vbNewLine & "Moon and planet moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonAndPlanet, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & "Moon only moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonOnly, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & CStr(Math.Round(percentDifference, 3)) & "%" 'Mars and Phobos moonAndPlanet = Calculate_Time_Moon_And_Planet(6.39E+23, 1.06E+16, 6000000, 1) 'moonOnly = Calculate_Time_Moon_Only(6.39E+23, 1.06E+16, 6000000, 1) percentDifference = (moonOnly - moonAndPlanet) / moonOnly MsgBox "Mars and Phobos" & vbNewLine & "Moon and planet moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonAndPlanet, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & "Moon only moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonOnly, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & CStr(Math.Round(percentDifference, 3)) & "%" 'Jupiter and Ganymede moonAndPlanet = Calculate_Time_Moon_And_Planet(1.898E+27, 1.48E+23, 1070000000#, 1) 'moonOnly = Calculate_Time_Moon_Only(1.898E+27, 1.48E+23, 1070000000#, 1) percentDifference = (moonOnly - moonAndPlanet) / moonOnly MsgBox "Jupiter and Ganymede" & vbNewLine & "Moon and planet moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonAndPlanet, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & "Moon only moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonOnly, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & CStr(Math.Round(percentDifference, 3)) & "%" 'Saturn and titan moonAndPlanet = Calculate_Time_Moon_And_Planet(5.683E+26, 1.35E+23, 1221000000#, 1) 'moonOnly = Calculate_Time_Moon_Only(5.683E+26, 1.35E+23, 1221000000#, 1) percentDifference = (moonOnly - moonAndPlanet) / moonOnly MsgBox "Saturn and Titan" & vbNewLine & "Moon and planet moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonAndPlanet, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & "Moon only moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonOnly, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & CStr(Math.Round(percentDifference, 3)) & "%" 'Uranus and Titania moonAndPlanet = Calculate_Time_Moon_And_Planet(8.681E+25, 3.527E+21, 436000000, 1) 'moonOnly = Calculate_Time_Moon_Only(8.681E+25, 3.527E+21, 436000000, 1) percentDifference = (moonOnly - moonAndPlanet) / moonOnly MsgBox "Uranus and Titania" & vbNewLine & "Moon and planet moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonAndPlanet, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & "Moon only moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonOnly, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & CStr(Math.Round(percentDifference, 3)) & "%" 'Neptune and Triton moonAndPlanet = Calculate_Time_Moon_And_Planet(1.024E+26, 2.14E+22, 354760000, 1) 'moonOnly = Calculate_Time_Moon_Only(1.024E+26, 2.14E+22, 354760000, 1) percentDifference = (moonOnly - moonAndPlanet) / moonOnly MsgBox "Neptune and Triton" & vbNewLine & "Moon and planet moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonAndPlanet, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & "Moon only moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonOnly, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & CStr(Math.Round(percentDifference, 3)) & "%" 'Sun and Earth moonAndPlanet = Calculate_Time_Moon_And_Planet(1.989E+30, 6E+24, 149600000000#, 1) 'moonOnly = Calculate_Time_Moon_Only(1.989E+30, 6E+24, 149600000000#, 1) percentDifference = (moonOnly - moonAndPlanet) / moonOnly MsgBox "Sun and Earth" & vbNewLine & "Moon and planet moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonAndPlanet, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & "Moon only moving: " & CStr(Math.Round(moonOnly, 3)) & " days" & vbNewLine & CStr(Math.Round(percentDifference, 3)) & "%" End Sub Function Calculate_Time_Moon_And_Planet(planetMass As Double, moonMass As Double, radius As Double, timeStep As Double) As Double 'Section 1: Set up Constants and initial values and preallocated variables Dim G As Double 'm^3 kg^-1 s^-2 G = 6.67408E-11 Dim timeValue As Double timeValue = 0 Dim force As Double 'N Dim planetAcceleration As Double 'm/s^2 Dim planetVelocity As Double 'm/s Dim planetDeltaPosition As Double 'm Dim moonAcceleration As Double 'm/s^2 Dim moonVelocity As Double 'm/s Dim moonDeltaPosition As Double 'm Dim numberValuesCalculated As Long 'Number of values calculated since starting the main loop numberValuesCalculated = 0 'Section 2: Main Loop to calculate values at each time point Do While radius > 0 'Calculate the instantaneous force using Newton's law of gravitation force = G * ((planetMass * moonMass) / (radius ^ 2)) 'N 'Calculate the instantaneous acceleration of the planet using Newton's third law (F = m * a ----> a = F / m) planetAcceleration = force / planetMass 'm/s^2 'Calcualte the planet's instantaneous velocity using the timeStep value, the initical velocity at the timeStep start and the acceleration (delta_v = v + delta_t * a) planetVelocity = planetVelocity + planetAcceleration * timeStep 'm/s 'Calculate the change in position of the planet over the timestep using the timestep value and the velocity (delta_x = delta_t * v) planetDeltaPosition = planetVelocity * timeStep 'm 'Calculate the instantaneous acceleration of the moon using Newton's third law (F = m * a ----> a = F / m) moonAcceleration = force / moonMass 'm/s^2 'Calcualte the moon instantaneous velocity using the timeStep value, the initical velocity at the timeStep start and the acceleration (delta_v = v + delta_t * a) moonVelocity = moonVelocity + moonAcceleration * timeStep 'm/s 'Calculate the moon change in position using the timestep value and the velocity (delta_x = delta_t * v) moonDeltaPosition = moonVelocity * timeStep 'm 'Calculate the new moon position value after this timestep x = x_initial - v * delta_t radius = radius - moonDeltaPosition - planetDeltaPosition 'm 'Add the timeStep value to the total time timeValue = timeValue + timeStep 's numberValuesCalculated = numberValuesCalculated + 1 If numberValuesCalculated Mod 100 = 0 Then End If Loop Calculate_Time_Moon_And_Planet = CDbl(timeValue) / 86400# End Function

[@greatduck5297]

To do it properly one would use differential equations and I think he was using that difficulty as an excuse to teach more formulas in astrophysics that he would otherwise gloss over.

[@thenatundi9009]

12:38 love that fast talking

[@LeonVor99]

Not on this topic, but I would still like to know how Palpatine creates lightning at his fingertips and what would actually happen. Anyone else?

[@becausescience]

Hmmm. Try "corona discharge" -- KH

[@LeonVor99]

Thanks for the reply! Right, so I've read a bit about the topic. So as far as I understand it, if corona discharge is uncontained or unrestricted it can create ozone. Since Palpatine has "unlimited" power und doesn't contain it, does this mean he his creating ozone from the air's oxygen around him. Which in turn would mean that if he continued creating force lightening over a certain amount of time, he could essentially sufficate himself?(not a smart boy when it comes to science so please correct me if I'm wrong)

[@TheGoldenMiner]

I Need to know how the senzu beans work to always instantly heal Goku and Vegeta to 100% and heal wonds somehow.

[@game-enjoyer13]

TheGoldenMiner Dude that’s easy. Two factors: Plot, and sci-fi magic. Just deal with it it doesn’t have to make logical sense

[@Polymathically]

2:21 I was not aware of this. Time for me to dig out my game and look!

[@moviemaker2011z]

i have been thinking about your movie idea by the way also Kyle, heres what i got in just a few hours of dedicated boredom. title: solar flare, celestial end, what we've done (i have thought of many names, these were my favorites) plot: the world is going about its normal day when scientists get a spike on one of their satellites studying the sun, realizing this could be a potential break in history they choose to investigate further, upon doing so they discover that the satellite was destroyed and the information it sent was its last seconds as it was vaporized by a solar flare, worried they look for answers and find that the earth is coming to an end and that once the solar flare hits it will stop the earths rotation and destabilize the magnetic field. now in a panic they argue about whether or not they should inform anyone or keep it a secret ultimately deciding to inform government leaders about the impending doom. this is where we meet the main characters. the story will focus on a few different people, a couple going through a bitter divorce but later realizing that they would prefer to live the end of their days together in the park where they first met, the next is a guy and his friend who are criminals, the guy is just doing it to keep his head above water and his friend does it for the thrill, when news is mentioned of the earths destruction the guy sets out to right his wrongs and make peace with what he has done all while his friend urges him to go out on a high note and commit horrendous acts despite the news. the last person we focus on can be one of the scientists, a young woman who is distraught about her nearing death but strangely fascinated by the event, while the rest of the researchers leave to be with family she decides to stay behind and record the data and share it with the world, live broadcasting the entire time. through this livestream all of our main characters can talk to one another learning more about themselves being honest like they never have been before all trying to come to peace before they die. but instead of a happy ending the earth gets hit and like the reports said, the earth starts to slow down little by little, the magnetic field weakens and slowly everyone starts to burn away into dust as earth now starts to move towards the sun eventually being engulfed by the ball of plasma. alternatively the ending can be that it was all a simulation the scientists were running experimenting with scenarios and that this was only one of their many tests. well what do you think?

[@rozemsama]

Kyle, thank you for using metric system in your videos. I've just returned from the US and it's really annoying to convert every single unit you come across hahaha

[@becausescience]

Most of the audience is from the US, but metric is easier, and more widely applicable, AND IF I HAD TO LEARN IT IN COLLEGE SO DO YOU. Sorry. Engineering was hard. -- KH

[@influenzaz1012]

Im American but yea i tried explaining the metric system to people and as to why we should use it and people could not understand it. Makes me lose hope in our education system that people couldn't comprehend the simplicity of it.

[@edvance1030]

I still don't understand why Americans and British people insist on using the imperial system. They should have changed to the metric system a long time ago when they agreed to do it gradually. Unfortunately, they never even begun to make the change.

[@rozemsama]

Because Science I went to engineering school, I get you haha

[@-undecided-1663]

Eddie Brits use metric

[@willburke]

in before matterbeam. that's all i can ask for at this rate.

[@rwhe423723]

I mean, it's gonna take some time for Matterbeam to construct his/her/their glorious comment, so you probably have an hour from the video, minimum. Actually, if we take the average words per Matterbeam comment, apply a standard words per minute typing speed, account for some factor of brainstorming a response, add the time of the video itself.... ::thinking face::

[@MichaelBerthelsen]

Ryan Wheeler I've seen him write half an essay in about 20 minutes, as if he knows the content in advance...😉

[@Artaimus]

Likely they are subscribed and thus have been working on the math for a few days now.

[@becausescience]

They are, to Alpha. -- KH

[@Willskull]

So cool to make an episode about this badass timeless game!!!!

[@baKanale]

Anyone else notice that Kyle has a very slight deviation to the left in his nose (his left, not ours)? At least its left when he's at the desk, or in the void but not drawing. It's to the right when he's in the void and drawing. Has Kyle trapped a mirror-Kyle in formless void to do all his drawing for him? Does mirror-Kyle have to eat chirally reversed amino acids? I'm sure those segments aren't flipped in editing, since Kyle promised it's just the void ;)

[@Hound831]

Ah I remember the old days when you had to blow into your game cartridge to get it to work. You youngsters today got it good.

[@Hound831]

Good investment I say.

[@nelsonhoyle3204]

Blowing into a cartridge never actually did anything, we only thought it did.

[@Hound831]

There are a large army of 90's men and women with the dust still stuck in their lungs who would disagree with you.

[@rwhe423723]

Licking the Switch cartridges is kinda interesting, though. It was the first thing I had to do when I picked mine up, out of curiosity.

[@Koobird784]

Number Muncher That actually ruins the cartridge, though...

[@alextomlinson2830]

But, surely If the moon was just falling straight down, then wouldn't it move through the sky as the earth rotates? But in the game, the moon stays where it is in the sky, meaning it is still rotating round the earth, just geostationary orbit so the energy needed to slow it down would be a lot less.

[@linkolek]

What if Termina is a pole? Of course that would mean that Moon had to be thrown completely out of orbit or planet itself would need to be tilted.

[@SireOblivion]

If Termina was a pole I don't think it'd have a regular day/night cycle that we see in the game.

[@Corboman15]

gotta love that "advanced mazz"

[@assassingio9847]

Majora's Mask is my favorite Zelda game and one of my favorite games of all time and the all the sectrets and theories that the game has spawned make it a beatiful storywise experience of human psyche along with the terrible fate that awaits Link.

[@CFreezerBurnC]

Wait a minute... If that was the hookshot at the end there, as it's sound played and the chain extended, then where's the body and/or the wooden object you shot at?!? (Yes, I know it's probably just the fact that you were slightly too lazy to draw and/or trace the hookshot for a half-second appearance. Been watching the show for a long time, and hope to see you in Footnotes! -Chris)

[@mikymuky1171]

Ummmmmm… you said we only need half the orbital distance but shouldn’t it be a quarter distance? Because a half orbital distance would mean it goes from ‘infront’ to ‘behind’. So a quarter distance would refer to the distance from orbital distance to the origin of orbit. No? (If my reasoning is wrong, I’m happy to be corrected. I wish to learn.)

[@dinospfc]

I was going to say this too. Glad someone else typed it out already xD

[@psoma_brufd]

This has been discussed further up, Kyle will probably make a thing of it in the footnotes though.

[@mikymuky1171]

Oh ok. I didnt notice it. :D

[@becausescience]

Yep, enough comments about this that I'll be talking about in in next Tuesday's video -- KH

[@John_The_Eeveechu]

i like how the moon keeps getting closer in each segment

[@HDGamerofficial]

This is one my favourite Because Science’s cause it’s Majora’s Mask and because I literally did a test the day this came out and it had Eccentricity and Kepler’s laws on it! What a coincidence

[@myrmesuwu607]

If the moon is closer the tides would be enormous and you'll drawn before the moon even toutch the ground. Also the moon would fall apart way befor.

[@myrmesuwu607]

Game theory did a video on that

[@lukasstadler6594]

u know that u can edit comments

[@DrBrangar]

Not really. Our moon has only about 15% of the surface gravity, and this drops off quadratically. So, to equal the Earth's gravity, the moon would have to impact, and go in a bit. As for the break apart thing, that takes centuries, so the 3 day timeline is far too fast.

[@myrmesuwu607]

Lukas Stadler oh no are you kidding me of course I know

[@myrmesuwu607]

Brandon Myers I said tides not floating water that go directly toward the moon and also it's right next to the sea so....

[@noxiousbones]

What about the Roche limit?

[@RedLeader327]

Jacob Loehr Doesn’t apply to Termina.

[@thedouma]

Another variable to consider is the planet in Majora's Mask spin maybe faster or slower than a earth day, the actual game minutes you have may actually correlate to the days stated you have in game from that planets view.

[@Mekcstriker]

Question for you Kyle, once the moon hit the stratosphere, since its so large once it started burning up in the atmosphere wouldnt it produce a glow so bright that it would blind people that were within a certain number if hundreds of miles around just by staring at it? Great video btw. Also while i have you if you had a tunnel of super heated plasma and screamed into it, would the scream escape the tunnel or travel only through said tunnel of plasma? Since plasma is superheated gas of most sorts, would ot distort your voice or just do nothing to it at all

[@yurrr5480]

Yesss an loz vid

[@elka7951]

People forget that the moon in Majora's Mask is TINY

[@shiningarmor2838]

You could almost scale the planet down by the same factor.

[@game-enjoyer13]

Yeah. I mean really it’s about the size of clock town itself. In that’s fucking nothing.

[@liznakleonhardt4406]

Instantly my favorite episode...Also kid link in Hyrule Warriors uses the Fierce Deity mask, and you can play as skull kid...Life is wonderful!

[@zarnox3071]

As you started talking about the Earth falling into the Sun at the end of the video, I just thought of that happening in Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon.

[@benjaws5263]

Yea, hahahaha almost forgot that happened

[@Wingdnadlla]

Can you talk about how slip space works from halo

[@EFFLGuy]

I've never been this early for anything!

[@apple54345]

you had your opportunity and you squandered it!

[@EFFLGuy]

apple54345 I was too excited and couldn't think of anything else to say at the time!

[@apple54345]

happens to the best of us.

[@azuarc]

You guys had WAY too much fun with this one.

[@scarwinz]

I would lowkey watch that movie every single night and pray to it like it was my god.. YOU ARE MY GOD KYLE

[@lightningspirit6746]

It’s a dream world so anything can happen!

[@Ninjaananas]

Lightningspirit Says who?

[@lightningspirit6746]

Ninjaananas youtubers majora delelopers and most other people

[@Ninjaananas]

Lightningspirit Termina is not dreamed. Neither is the game.

[@NintendoPolitics]

I wish I was super smart so I could call you out on all the incorrect values, but I will leave that to Matterbeam and I will stick to my day job.

[@becausescience]

Dude, I feel really dumb every day. Looking around at all the other smart stuff people are doing, I feel like a fraud half the time -- KH

[@richr115]

How about a pt2 video detailing what would happen each day the moon got closer. Tides rising. Massive flooding. Earth quakes etc.. Thanks

[@Tomg553]

Hey kill leuke show maak je moet altijd lachen om jou 🤣 keep IT up

[@ChocoboProduction]

Quick correction: The Horror Kid/Skull Kid/Imp didn't trigger the falling moon at the start of the three days. From the story we can assume that Majora's Mask started the "doomsday clock" right after it got stolen. When Link meets the Horror Kid and has his horse stolen at the very start of the game, Horror Kid already has the mask for an inde-termina-ble (:D) amount of time. Therefore, I'd say the moon is already falling at that point. After all, when Link tells the Mask Merchant that he got his Ocarina back but not the mask (which happens at the START of the three days after the very first time rewind) the Merchant already KNOWS that doom is approaching. So do the townspeople. So it is still possible that we're talking about an earth-like planet with a moon-like moon and the math and physics are EXACTLY right. :D

[@rmsgrey]

The timescale may be right, but the trajectory is definitely not - notice that the Moon stays directly about the Clock Tower the whole time. If Termina is rotating (which seems plausible since it has a day-night cycle) then the Moon's free-fall path would leave it moving across the sky at different rates as it gets closer.

[@SeantheBawse]

@BecauseScience I ran into an interesting scenario: I had a small ball bearing on a moderately strong fish tank magnet. When I touched the bearing, while connected to the magnet, to another magnetic metal and then pulled away the bearing stayed stuck to the metal until the magnet got too far and fell. Wus goin' on here? Shouldn't it stay magnetized to the magnet? Edit: "bearing" not "berring"; dadgum mobile keyboard.

[@balintkeszthelyi1293]

Sean the Bawse I'm not sure whether I get what you are saying but the answer might be magnetizing. Some metals are acting like conductors with electricity and stay magnetized for the time the magnet is close enough. (+other can be permanently magnetized.)

[@TheAnazrieth]

Do you mean that the surface the bearing was being held to was magnetic or ferrous? A ferrous surface would allow the magnetic field to pass through it. Which would attract the bearing. The material would adjust it's atoms to match the field, and as you pull the magnets away, that organization would tend toward disorganization and the ball bearing would fall.

[@SeantheBawse]

Eric Wendlandt I was actually debating whether to use "magnetic" or "ferrous". I thought my meaning would still be clear. Bálint Keszthelyi I had the bearing magnetically stuck to the fish tank magnet, then also touched the bearing to a metal shelf rod. As I pulled the magnet away, I expected the bearing to stay with the magnet, but it stayed attached to the rod until the magnet was too far and it simply fell.

[@psoma_brufd]

Not necessarily, the ball bearing could be magnetised to the field lines created by the two magnets such that when you move the exterior magnetic out of range of affecting the ball bearing, it loses its magnetism and falls. This is because magnetic metals are magnetised by the field lines of magnets and the field lines change as the magnet moves. That is one interpretation I get of what you are saying. Another is that you have two magnetic materials in the fish tank which are being magnetised by the fish magnet, however, all magnetic materials that are not themselves magnets eventually lose their magnetism and this process is sped up by water which randomises the magnetic polarity of the magnetic material again almost instantly (through particle collisions) which therefore gives an average magnetism of 0, causing them to demagnetise and fall. A third interpretation is that once you move the magnet out of range, the ball bearing has nothing holding it in place and so whilst still being magnetised, it is falls because there is nothing pulling on it.

[@psoma_brufd]

Sean the Bawse Ah, yeah, the magnetism would eventually become disorganised, in this case, the ball bearing became only temporarily magnetised, to 'more' permanently magnetise the ball bearing, you would have to rub it in the same direction against the magnet to align the magnetic sectors (I forget what they are called) this creates a longer lasting magnetism, though the non-flat shape of the ball bearing would cause it not not magnetise as well as flat shapes.

[@Sqtgdog]

Major props on the Neverending Story reference.

[@MrAutobot390]

12:41 I've been waiting for this day. He finally said my name.

[@Shaka215x]

Man...I had to put my phone down to look at the speed talking at the end about Lightstream... Please never do that again or I'm ghost. I get you need to pay your bills but this isn't cable man... Leave that stuff on the box.

[@BurgundyBurnouts]

4:05 it's "Math" not "Maths" this America, where it's pronounced Aluminum, Gif, and Math!

[@Peteypete98]

It's pronounced "school" not "shooting range"

[@tattersthebat6253]

It's pronounced "Coffee and Donuts" not "Tea and Biscuits"

[@greatduck5297]

This is the internet. Don't assume the country is "America".

[@captaincygni2162]

Burgundy Burnouts Al-u-mini-um, *G* IF and Math- *SSSSSSSSSSSSSS*

[@vipierozan99]

Hey kyle, i was thinking about the superman punch episode, the one you talk about newton´s 3rd law. You said that the force needs to "propagate" somewhere through superman´s body, and i think the speed of propagation of this force is like, the "speed of sound", on the medium(superman´s body), so it´s not instant. So what if that energy could be absorbed and transformed into another type of energy after the punch, but before the "force wave?" reaches superman´s shoulder let´s say? Like, superman can absorb energy from the sun, couldn´t him absorb this kinetic energy and store it inside him just like he does with the sun? Maybe his biceps/triceps can be solid before the punch and then aquire some pizoelectric properties, kinda? idk, not engineer yet. cheers from Brazil, love your videos, keep it up!

[@TheDarkEvilLord]

This video has gotten me thinking on the how strong Giants must be to stop the moon from crashing.

[@itsnotamankey]

I've been waiting for majora for sooooooo LONG :D

[@overgoddesswashu]

Kyle i have a multi-part interesting question(s). Considering Majora's screaming power output could their scream reach the energy output of the breakdown of the cellular binding energy providing that's an actual thing, "cellular binding energy" and could therefore scream someone into "nothingness" or be atomized? Or would the output reduce them to nothing more than quantum fluctuations, and if it doesn't what would it take for a Majora scream to reduce someone to quantum fluctuations if not possibly also tearing a hole through space-time?

[@UMP45chan]

Kyle's mating call powered by Majora's Mask is too fun to hear.

[@tomdunn1512]

There is a famous glitch in Majora's mask called the 4th day glitch, it essentially removes the timer and moves the moon a lot further away (to what looks more like the normal distance of our moon) Apparently there was supposed to be 7 days when the game was first developed but got scrapped and the glitch supposedly loads these scrapped assets, but I now choose to believe that it actually is day 4, 19 hours and 46 minutes

[@mrmcflop5282]

3:14 truly a great analogy

[@azgoalie90]

I'm now really interested to know more detail about the epilogue thought of if Earth were to fall into the sun. Like how long would Earth still be able to sustain life? What would be the effects as we inched closer to a fiery demise? Maybe you should write that movie...

[@CuteFifthWall]

Hey Kyle, from what I understand about Majora's Mask, your initial set up is actually even closer. You can glitch the game and travel to Day 0 and the moon has a set value that is even further away than it shows in Day 1. If you assume some of the events are actually just a retelling from the day before, it takes a solid 96 hours for the moon to actually reach Termina. It isn't exactly canon, but the programming within the game is there to show it may have been planned for four days and was changed later.

[@MartinSmileHR]

Fun fact about Jupiter moon named Io. If you are standing on side of the moon that is looking to space gravitational acceleration wuld be 2,4965m/s^2, and if you are standing on the side that is fooking at the Jupiter, acceleration wuld be 1,0775m/s^2. If the Jupiter wuld be 4.2 times denser (around Earth density) the diference wuld be almost 400%.

[@Pro_K.R.]

My God, I never knew about these names...You ARE a genius, Kyle!

[@trevoredwards2543]

Question: does the equation used to calculate orbit take into account the radius of the objects in orbit of each other? For instance, is it just tracking movement of the center of mass of the relative bodies? If so, wouldn't the surfaces collide somewhat sooner than the back of napkin method of cutting the orbital period in half? I don't expect this to change the results by much, and would still make the timeline plausible, but I was distracted by this question. BTW, I love the fact that you did a video on my (until recently) favorite Zelda game, enough so that you've elicited my first comment on your videos, which I very much enjoy.

[@PinaKoalaGaming]

One second in and this is already better than Moonfall

[@jessecrosier5664]

Question for future episode. If you had a laserpointer travelling at light speed pointed backwards & then turned it on would the laser light move forward or would the speed of the laserpointer cancel out the speed of the laser light? Mythbusters did a similar thing with a air cannon on the back of a truck, in the episode the air cannon shot a ball out at 60mph & the truck was going 60mph, the ball just dropped to the ground, it didn't go anywhere. Could the same thing happen to light?

[@kennymartin5976]

What about my favorite bit of trickery, the stone tower temple? Are the powers of that place reversing gravity somehow? Or just asserting a strong upward force on everything?

[@deviousxen]

Tag yourselves, I'm the Skull Kid's laughter and desperately trying to toot on an Ocarina at the last minute...

[@JubeiKibagamiFez]

Best video so far. I loved the Ocarina series, too, but I have yet to play Twilight Princess. Got it on Dolphin, though. yeah!

[@psoma_brufd]

Kyle, surely to keep directly above Termina as we see in Majora's mask, the moon would still need some rotational energy (orbiting the Earth) to make it orbit at the equivalent speed to the Earth's rotation, otherwise it would not always be above Termina as Termina is rotating with the Earth and therefore the route the moon would need to take to it would not be a staright line staright to Earth's center of mass, but an exponential curve with the rotational speed decreasing as it got closer to the Earth to keep above Termina. This would make the moon be able to be closer and therefore larger as we see in the game because it would take longer to get to the Earth's surface as not all of the energy is going to the Moon falling.

[@allenkeith7160]

3 years after the video, but reading a few comments I have some similar thoughts. I thought the moon just changed trajectory and was now flying towards Termina, not just falling... But I also believe the moon was coming down earlier than when Link arrived... so it could have been falling for about a day prior... and then when the Skull Kid sped it up later, it may have shaved off part of a day. So admittedly, I believe it did take more than 3 days to fall, but Link came in late to the party, angered the Kid, and shortened the planet's time to live. Also I do love these videos and wish I had seen them a long time ago... because I see this video is like, 3 years old... but yeah, good science. Love adding science and reality to games and fantasy sometimes to make it feel more real and awe-inspiring!

[@ir0nleviathan577]

I love these science shows breaking down video game logic because you always know in the back of your mind... Magic is usually the answer.

[@mac1991seth]

No problem, Kyle, always glad to be in the audience.

[@jordanmicahcook]

It could also be that at this point in history, the moon orbited closer to earth OR that the evil power Majora was using added a slight pulling force on the moon itself that made up the temporal difference.