What if Monty Gator NEVER EXISTED in VRCHAT

[@Golden_dummy22]

Okay, so this os what I can gather from every 'what if ... Did not exist?' Moon: the reason that the mega pizaplex is still up and running. Monty: The reason that Eclipse did not reset the world. Sun: The reason that monty did not build a gigantic castle using child labour. This is interesting.

[@rainpuppy14]

Moon may also be the reason the animatronics can leave the pizza Plex in the first place well, the Glam rocks and sun at least

[@EmilySpiritExT]

If Monty never existed, then Eclipse and Lunar show would still be in power because no one talked sense into Lunar that he's being abused.

[@Ace_Of_All_Cards]

Something tells me, Frank isn’t what they think he is, also, it was so nice to see Eclipse again, even if it wasn’t the OG it was nice to hear his evil laugh and his evil dialogue and his whole plan of wiping the world out just to make it his own image. It was nice having his evil butt back for a few minutes.

[@duckmaster7868]

Fr. BloodMoon will never reach the equivalency of Eclipse. I just want an episode of OG Eclipse or even Lord Eclipse

[@movedaccount931]

A part of me misses those days with Eclipse another part of me doesn't

[@duckmaster7868]

@@movedaccount931 Sometimes I wish Eclipse got a redemption

[@Gloopglob]

A taste of the good days lol

[@movedaccount931]

@@duckmaster7868 we all do

[@Glittergluewerido]

If Monty never existed then Sun and Moon would most likely be killed by Eclipse a year ago

[@duckmaster7868]

😰

[@ACEROLLS]

Yess 😍👏

[@psychoticmacaroniman]

@@ACEROLLS the hell you mean yes

[@duckmaster7868]

@@psychoticmacaroniman fr 😭😭✋

[@ACEROLLS]

@@psychoticmacaroniman 😇

[@cynthiarodriguez7598]

This episode was so sad!😭 Eclipse is still alive, sun is trapped in his mind scape, Moon and Lunar are dead and Earth does not exist! And let's not forget 13:09 where Monty talks to his father and tells him that he loves him while crying... This was so sad and I am glad Frank helped him get out and he was trying to speak with him! And it sounds like he almost said a word. Anyway, I am glad Monty woke up from that nightmare and I hope that never happens again.

[@CassandraMiyuki]

Poor Monty, that must've been tough to go through. Good on Frank for helping. I almost felt like a parent anxiously waiting for my baby's first words at the end there 😂😂

[@Bunfreaks]

Poor Monty

[@ayyyimmaninja]

did Monty sleep-teleport to a new dimension or something? Or is this all a bad dream? Poor Monty though...they're going through a spiral. Bearing so much on their shoulders. God the part with their dad... Q_Q that hurt so much. 11:42 "I want my dad..." GOD MY HEART- *hears og Eclipse* THOSE SUNS OF-- THEY DID NOT!!!! /pos FRANK SAVED HIM AND TRIED TO SPEAK!!!!!!

[@MewMewBomb]

A lot of people think Frank is one of the astral bodies, but they’re not sure what/which one. My bet is a protostar, since protostars are essentially just baby stars. The way Frank was trying to speak reminded me a lot of a baby trying to speak for the first time. When you pair the baby’s first words thing with the fact that if Monty DID go to another dimension, it’d mean Frank is capable of dimensional travel and knows how to bring people from one place to another, I really believe the theory about him being a protostar makes a lot of sense 🤨 Also. As soon as I saw Eclipse standing there and glowing, every fiber of me either wanted to scream in excitement and/or throw hands with him. I hate to say it, but I think I missed him on some level Edit: I’m wondering what would’ve happened if Monty had mentioned Bloodmoon when he talked to Eclipse

[@tabithashelton1406]

I've never heard this theory before. It is interesting and would explain how he is able to get to certain areas without others knowing or without a reasonable path way there. I don't think Monty went to another dimension if this theory turns out true tho. A lot of this focused on characters that Monty has some level of high emotional connection to; anger/fear towards eclipse, love and grief to his Dad, friendship and possible guilt towards Foxy (memory thing), and most likely guilt and possibly anger towards Puppet. I can't remember exactly when Frank made his first appearance on the Sun and Moon show, but I do think it was during the time Eclipse was around, in a sense. Basically, I think if Frank does turn out to be a astral body, his powers is going to be dream related considering Monty "came to" in a charging station, a place several people use to sleep in, and Frank was the first person Monty saw after waking up.

[@SqarletGecko]

There's one theory on the Discord server that he's Pisces - has a similar element to the protostar/baby star idea, in that Pisces is the 12th, final star sign and therefore Frank could be the youngest Constellation. edit: I have discovered this is the same person 😂 Hello there!

[@Ms.Fandom1983]

If Monty didn't exist then Sun and Moon would be dead,Lunar wouldn't have a body, and Earth wouldn't know about Romance, it would actually be a mess without Monty

[@duckmaster7868]

Earth wouldn't even exist in the first place

[@EpicQibliFan]

Yeah earth probably wouldn’t exist.

[@EpicQibliFan]

You could say it about anyone Reslly, if earth didn’t exist everyone could have gone insane or crazy in some way, if sun didn’t exist moon would be a serial killer, if moon didn’t exist there wouldn’t be dimensional travel, or any stuff like that. If foxy didn’t exist…. Uhh idk

[@GlitchPitbunny]

What about ruin, solar and Bloodmoon? Edit:And Killcode?

[@duckmaster7868]

@@GlitchPitbunny BloodMoon would be he committed July 16th

[@EmilySpiritExT]

WHOA Forky is trying to SPEAK! So he must have found a voice box for himself! RIP the only mute character!

[@Alaska3765i]

TIMESTAMP NOW

[@EmilySpiritExT]

@@Alaska3765i I forgot but it’s close to the end of the episode after he wakes Monty up. Forky’s mouth moved as noises came out but not words. The gator even asked if he was trying to talk but he didn’t answer the question.

[@tegandumpleton3360]

The fact that Frank was trying to speak is so bizarre because he spoke just fine with Foxy's voice box. But if is secretly a higher being or a secret agent or whatever--- when he finally does speak, he needs to go to Earth and apologize to for the goose!

[@torturequeen1640]

I know we're supposed to be focusing on Monty BUT ECLIPSE MY BOY,HAD YOU BACK FOR BUT A MOMENT AND IT JUST REMINDED ME OF HOW MUCH I MISS YOU TToTT

[@Inky_Kuro]

Wow, this episode was *fantastic!* I really love the glimpse back into the past, to Eclipse's true glory as a villain and as a character. I do recall during the episode with Monty in the "Lord Eclipse" arc of SAMS, it was mentioned that Foxy had helped him in his villainy or something along those lines, so it's a nice callback to see this world's Foxy allowed to exist in the 'plex, presumably already having sworn fealty to Eclipse. I do really miss the evil Eclipse as a *true* villain. He was such a good character when he wasn't being treated like he was actually good deep down all along, because he never was. If he was, he would have sincerely apologized to Lunar for hitting him.

[@rubyrose3032]

I think at this point i think it's pretty obvious that Frank is WAY more than what he seems. Wonder what he is exactly

[@rainpuppy14]

It just goes to show you on these channels, every single one of the characters has made an impact

[@EmilySpiritExT]

I'm glad Forky was there to wake up Monty from the bad dream. Forky was trying his best to help Monty, even though this Monty won't ever be his. Though if he can be like a guardian angel to Monty and Earth to make sure they won't get taken from each other that'd be so sweet. Maybe that's how he's coping with the death of his boyfriend. No harming, trying to steal Monty from Earth. No, he doesn't wanna see the gator hurt like he was. It makes me wish I could known the things Shattered Ruined Monty would say to Forky back when they had each other. It must have been deep or understanding for them to bond! Perhaps it was the understanding that both of them are unwanted in the universe they were in (Forky couldn't replace Sun and Moon as daycare attendant meanwhile Shattered Ruined Monty randomly came into the home universe and shoved aside with promise he'd be clickbait for the channel, then gotten ignored by Monty and Foxy). But together they could find companionship in each other, and well, that's wholesome af!

[@Zoey-f1d]

Baby's first words!!! 14:31 - 14:37

[@embricke.coyote4173]

14:31 😱Frank! He almost try to speak!

[@oldsport_1]

wait…so Monty had a nightmare, earth had a nightmare…is sun gonna have a nightmare about OG moon or sum? Also it was kinda nice to hear OG eclipse again ngl

[@cinnamonbeanbaby444]

Theory: what if Frank was one of the astral bodies? Not like the main zodiac signs, but as an assistant like nebula is. Each one has a power of some kind, maybe frank can enter in dreams, like princess Luna from mlp5. It would make sense why he always seems to exit other dimensions in record time

[@Arachnidpanic]

Maybe he can sense when bad things were to happend!! Omg like he went to earth some days before the bloodmoon earth accident!,

[@cinnamonbeanbaby444]

@@Arachnidpanic that could also be it, but how did they enter in Monty’s dream?

[@leiarobinson3549]

Okay that was just a nightmare Monty was having I thought he stumbled into the portal too accidentally and saw a dimension of a "What if Monty never existed" place, but it was just a crazy dream. Still, it was nice to see how truly important he is to everyone, even got to see his father again for a brief moment and telling him he loved him....frick even almost made me cry at that part. 😢 Also I was surprised that we almost got to hear Frank talk, I hope we do one day!!! 😀

[@piafernandarivasperalta358]

Mi nombre no es solar 2:57- 2:58 (Provabremente en el univer original)Solar: por me siento tan feliz ?

[@staarii-lin]

EEE THE AMOUNT OF STIMMING I DID WHEN ECLIPSE SHOWED UP!! it was nice to see his evil butt again, even if its not 'him' him this episode gave me chills. CHILLS. this is probably one of the only few episodes ive cried about. darn the scene with monty's dad hit HARD. from what ive gathered, foxy's working with eclipse, lunar sun and moon are dead, earth is nonexistent, i dont know whats happening with puppet..he seems evil too, and frank...frank's just there. he's chill.

[@chaosfan]

Monty:i‘ll get out of your…hair Eclipse: i don’t have hair Me: yea didn’t we prove that on the podcast with sun

[@rainpuppy14]

This sounds like the beginning of what if eclipse had won

[@Chrissercombe]

Things gotten even more interesting So if Monty never existed foxy well never met him Eclipse would still here and killed sun and moon years ago Lunar is also dead also And solor is still in his au Earth and monty never dated:< Man everything would be a mess 13:09 Also poor monty its very hard to let go the people you cared about the most🥺

[@Asmodeus_682]

Going of the uno vid with Foxy, Earth, Sun and Frank. It could be trauma related, like he physically can't talk as a result of a traumatic event.

[@Chrissercombe]

Oh yeah forgot about that tho I'm still interested on franks/forkface past and what happen to him

[@Asmodeus_682]

@@Chrissercombe same here

[@p1nky_vel]

11:43 “I want my dad…” STOPP ☹️☹️☹️☹️ 13:51 “I love you dad…” AHHHHEHEAHWHEG STOP IM CRYING I SHOULDNT BE

[@elainerich6229]

Frank is an interesting one They can travel interdemensionly and i think even into mindscapes were they woke Monty up

[@Tazthesilly]

OH MY LORDY LORD. 13:11 OH NO MONTYYYY :(

[@clowneclipsa]

İt's nice to hear Eclipse again!

[@kenmarlenn]

Forkface almost spoke! Thats amazing, good for him!

[@IntelligentBiscuit]

oh this was a good episode, dang alot of things wouldn't have happened if Monty wasn't around. ngl, it was kinda cool to see Eclipse again, enjoying being evil and relishing in it. Frank/forkface is 100% more than meets the eye, I don't know what that more is but I'm intrigued to find out

[@Im_stupid2011]

I cried during this episode, And I feel like frank miss RUIN Monty

[@movedaccount931]

I think this is the first what if episode on this show channel and around Monty

[@markipliertrash1562]

I liked the what if episodes, they were weird sometimes but also enjoyable

[@movedaccount931]

@@markipliertrash1562 they were fun videos but I do think back to them sometimes

[@WaifuGoddessVA]

this episode is insane ! It was trippy and emotional , I cried at the end ! ( just wanna say Matt really sounded like the Canon Foxy in this episode ! I'm impressed ! ) also AHHHHHHHHH ECLIPSE ! THE OG ONE ! without Monty , Eclipse would of killed Moon and Lunar , then took over Sun's body completely , have the Newton Star and reset the world ( also what happened in the God Eclipse/Lord Eclipse dimension except Sun and Eclipse had separated after ) terrifying but it was so refreshing and nice to see this Eclipse again ! really brought me back to early days of TSAMS Monty seeing their dad and breaking down crying saying “i love you , i miss you dad” MY HEART 😭🥺💔 this is when the tears started to flow also FRANK TRYING TO TALK ?? and Frank was somehow in Monty's dream ?? HOW ?? what is Frank ?? so weird p.s : hope everyone in the comments has a great day ^^ ♡

[@ValenTNTna]

I actually had to stop the video and take a break for a bit because I started crying when I saw Eclipse again

[@jackofhearts9123]

Monty just went back to like season one, SAMS

[@Demon_Slayer_is_awsome]

Heh, starting off with foxy being an idiot 😂

[@LadyInBlack.6]

lmaoo fr😭

[@tazminmcinnis3930]

Fr he was like “hehehehe”

[@duckmaster7868]

​@@tazminmcinnis3930Foxy got that goofy ah laugh

[@markipliertrash1562]

Goofy pirate fox man 😭

[@Yoyo-s8q]

Thats why he is my favorite

[@psychoticmacaroniman]

I forgot how eclipse use to act towards Monty and how he thought Monty was a moron.

[@leaderlamby]

AWWW THEY BROUGHT ECLIPSE BACK FOR THIS VIDEOOOO 🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡

[@Menacingnugget-zn7bm]

This episode was…AMAZING we got ECLIPSE BACK! Monty went though his problems and saw his dad,we saw Forkface and HE TALKED!!!!! MY BOY GOT HIS VOICEBOX FINALLY!!!IM SO HAPPY!!!😭😭😭

[@AXOLOTL-LAKE]

I love a good bit of angst for lunch

[@ArtsyDummy_01]

So that means Sun and Moon wouldnt have that big daycare

[@embricke.coyote4173]

0:28 Halloween's already over, Monty.

[@EmilySpiritExT]

XD It makes sense a complete wipe and redo would take several days to charge up. The hour the star had charged for the takeover was for a smaller rewrite, so it didn't have to charge up as much.

[@duckmaster7868]

e OMG CLIPSY Noo Monty's crying :(

[@ERINCHAMPION5000]

I had a feeling this was a horrible Nightmare considering how evil Eclipse of all people was there, that was nuts, certainly a possibility though.. to have a universe where there was no Monty and this was one of the outcomes of it. Gotta say, Nightmare or not, it was strangely satisfying to see that Eclipse again, although he's not the one who faced his end, it was really eerie. I also had a feeling guilt still was running through Monty's head on their father's death the moment I saw him appear briefly in Foxy's place, Poor Monty really had a heck of a Nightmare.. I really feel for them. It's good they got their friends still and this was just a nightmare.. And on another note, Crescent (Frank/Forkface) tried to speak! Wonder what he was trying to say.. maybe that'll be explored later.

[@i-spyprincesscat8919]

Frank almost sed his first word!!

[@embricke.coyote4173]

It's great that in this entire episode/video was in Monty's dream. I feel relief!

[@live.laugh.arson--Sky]

The thumbnail reminds me of ghostbusters :)

[@EmilySpiritExT]

At least Monty gonna grieve their dad in their slumber, likely over and over.

[@Diamond_Doodles]

Thanks for constantly taking my heart out and stabling it with these episodes...

[@Leonidas724]

Also wanna say y'all's acting is so good I was feeling so many emotions in this video y'all are awesome

[@OynxWolf11]

So it was all a Dream, or a Nightmare in Monty's case.

[@annagracepope7639]

I didn't want to cry today

[@DAUGHTEROFAFIGHTER]

There would be so much bad out of this no doubt

[@bluetaco5227]

So if Monty was never around that must mean that he is the reason Lunar fort back, became good, caused Lunar to become the Lunar became the one me love now, Earth clearly never showed up at least yet, that could mean Bloodmoon is still running around since Lunar never found him, Monty never made him a body and they never made a deal with him so there is a lot that Monty did to help everyone

[@rainpuppy14]

Technically blood moon found him the first

[@bluetaco5227]

@@rainpuppy14 that's true

[@AlastorSpongebob]

This episode actually made me cry so much...

[@EmilySpiritExT]

This AU Foxy is so funny! XD TERRIBLE AT SNEAKING UP!

[@markipliertrash1562]

BUT I WANT MONTY TO EXIST

[@Glittergluewerido]

WELL *I WANT* DOESN’T GET 👺

[@QueenRamen23]

Me to

[@AsterDrankShampoo]

I never thought id be happy to see eclipse again but for some reason it was very comforting

[@CharLovesVox]

This was such a terrifying concept seeing all the consequences 😰 Great episode 💚🧡

[@Leonidas724]

Monty even back then despite being money hungry gator still helped sun moon lunar almost every one he was there for them if he didn't exist the I agree with everyone else eclipse wins

[@ejhargrove9698]

If you never existed, foxy would still be withered

[@flariadracomorpher]

Oi Monty? Go say hi to people. Just to solidify youre awake.

[@Voidofdreams]

Eclipses voice 😫😫😩😫😩😫😩😫😩😫

[@Dreamsarefortheweak]

I miss Eclipse like hell...

[@Froggy-uu1cy]

THIS EPISODE IS MAKING ME CRYYYY😭😭😭😭

[@GonzaloMiranda-on7bt]

I feel sorry for Monty. If that happened

[@EmilySpiritExT]

XDDD What did the name "Solar" do to the glowing gold bastard? He hates it so much! Not weird, he hates EVERYTHING.

[@MrOrcshaman]

I'd be very, very sad, because I love him 😢

[@cristinrastatter]

thank god that didn't happen also are they gonna give frank a voice at some point🤔 i wonder what he would sound like

[@sebastiandavis7815]

Good morning motty and 🦊 wow he get mad 😡 dang motty

[@berniedavis6676]

love the thumbnail for this video. Who ya gonna call? GATORBUSTERS! XD

[@WaffleIsKewl]

here we go again :,)

[@markipliertrash1562]

Yay angst 😃

[@Dustysolar]

ECLIPSE OMG ECLIOSE ECLIPSE ECLIPSE ECLIPSE

[@Bonnie-ml7fi7nk8s]

I cried so much at the end

[@dustintoole1782]

What dose the g stand for montgomery gator gator😂😂😂😂😂😂 1:29

[@Bunfreaks]

Poor Monty OMO

[@SonicSpeed501]

Amazing Video!

[@mr.pixelized]

Truma?

[@sephypsycologist]

well dang if this didn't blow my mind about five times. wow. also, hi frank :)

[@S1llyPers0n]

THE END????.

[@COSGUK]

Interesting.

[@glamrockfoxy6667]

No Montgomery Gator is my favorite

[@Halffaceflower123]

This one hit me hard❤

[@ajbudgie]

Leaving a comment. Well this was a fun one. :)

[@nicquiaraaiken7742]

❤❤❤❤

[@MylaWasNOTHere]

Oh?

[@Speedcar89]

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[@dustangel890]

😰😰😰😰😨😨😨

[@Bloomy1175]

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