What if MOZART was actually jealous of Salieri?

[@freddiethelionhearted]

I love the side eye Mozart and Salieri give eachother 😂😂

[@secondchairmusic]

Glad u liked that touch! 😂😂

[@suryahitam3588]

This is perhaps the most important video I will see this month, as it has really changed my perception of Mozart and his relationship to Salieri. True investigative journalism. Thank-you!

[@abrahamjh5742]

Read somewhere that it is Mozart who is jealous, not Salieri. Great video!

[@secondchairmusic]

His letters were surprising to read. At times, it seemed like Salieri was living in his mind rent free! I was thinking,”dang, what did Salieri really do to you?!? Sounding like a hater rn!” 🤣🤣 Those letters really humanized him to a high degree!

[@82dorrin]

Mozart had more reason to be jealous than Salieri did. Salieri was older and more well-established in Vienna. He had a built in advantage for getting certain royal commissions and postings. Mozart might have been the better composer, but Salieri was no mediocrity. Mozart was his own worst enemy in some ways. He was quite full of himself, which didn't endear him to other composers. As for the cabals? Salieri endured his fair share of them too.

[@lisacampbell4819]

@@82dorrin in our current world so tragically full of extraordinarily ordinary sociopaths , who r merely mindblowingly overconfident egomaniacs who lack the self-awareness/maturity/common sense to recognize just how mediocre & incompetent they r…I must say that as annoying as it is 4 most ppl 2b forced in2 any chronic/close rship w/any1 whose ego is out of control, as it’s said Mozart’s was, at least he had the epic talent 2back it up. He wrote His 1st piece at 5yo, & the fantastically amazing Requiem (as far as I know!☺️), & it would’ve prob been v hard 2b humble with just those achievements alone.🥰

[@DebussyCat]

Your video editing is so good

[@secondchairmusic]

Why, thank you!! 🙏

[@Frenchie1116]

Your channel is awesome, keep up the good work!!

[@Psalmist6693]

This was both very entertaining and very educational! Well done! 👏 👏

[@Chopiet]

I love Mozart’s voice actor! He is both funny and professional-sounding, perceiving the composer well! Who is he? 😄✨

[@ca-ml1rs]

If you think about it as a story of someone's life, the narrative of Mozart's life is pretty depressing, even more so than Hollywood's version. He was a prodigy but never truly grown. Despite his attempts, he never made it as big as he would imagine as a child, never quite fulfilling his own ambition. He was prideful but life and his contemporaries never quite supported his pride. He spent recklessly and died in poverty despite relative success, but never feel quite fulfilling due to his own disappointment in his achievements. Mozart's more historical story would have been too depressing.

[@Franciszt]

This is awesome!

[@Brandonwashere3103]

The video you showed me on discord is here at last well done moniii!

[@secondchairmusic]

🤫🤫🤫 DON’T REMIND ME!! 🤣🤣 wasn’t that all the way back in June?? No way one 13 minute video should’ve taken me 3 friggin months. 😭😭

[@Brandonwashere3103]

@@secondchairmusic XD its great i liked it , you have a soothing voice and a great use of vocabulary!! :) hope ur having a amazing day my friend.

[@BigBeety]

The OG frenemies

[@ShadowCXC-ok4ff]

¡Another greatly developed video, awesome!

[@più_lento_28_13]

wow, such a great video ! Phenomenal research and work behind it. You’ve shed an entire new light on this whole story for me. I thought Salieri secretly wanted to hinder Mozart’s career, but turns out the man was pretty genuine, and Mozart … well, being Mozart lol. Great video again, and also the way you narrate things is really good. Thank you Monique !

[@choo1030]

Fun Fact : Mozart wrote a letter to his father saying that he hated the idea of Italians occupying most of the musician jobs in royal court at the time. Salieri being one of them, it is safe to assume that Mozart was more than likely jealous/envious of Salieri for that reason.

[@dash_user]

I like that fast paced video editing with AI images and strange facial expressions

[@secondchairmusic]

AI seems to be getting exponentially better and better every month! Compare the images in this video, to the images in my shorts from earlier this year; it’s like night and day! Even Photoshop has image generation features now (it’s what I used to make Salieri’s smiling face). I’m loving it!!

[@ivangomezguitar9518]

Love this channel.

[@secondchairmusic]

And I love you!! 😘😘 😂

[@Chopiet]

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[@vivivnmv]

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[@secondchairmusic]

After almost 100 days…shameful. 😭😭

[@NathanKing-e2r]

@@secondchairmusic NEIN!!!

[@sofiaspiano7892]

4:21 saliEeeri

[@secondchairmusic]

🤣🤣 I told him to deliver the line in a mocking tone, and I’d say, he did quite well!!

[@renelerenard8560]

I really like the fresh perspective of this video, and I think it's very unfair the way the public views Salieri. It was Mozart who coveted Salieri's position. However, I think Mozart's sentiments in this video are a bit misunderstood. I think Mozart would have been jealous if he had complained about how Salieri's musical abilities were so much better than his own - which I don't think he even secretly thought. I think that, while he acknowledged Salieri's merits, he was puzzled as to why a far superior ability and god-given talent did not give him the position that Salieri held. Again, this is not envy, he didn't get a clue about it, and it made him frustrated.

[@secondchairmusic]

While It’s true that Mozart never expressed envy towards the merits of Salieri’s music itself, it was crystal clear that he felt quite jealous of Salieri’s higher position. The sentiment still existed; whether or not it was directed towards music, is another matter entirely. But speaking of Mozart’s views of his own music, fortunately, I didn’t read anything in his letters that really stood out as him placing his own musical talents and abilities above those of others (that would’ve been a bit disappointing…like “wow, calm the ego a bit, Wolfie!”😅) Whether or not he might’ve thought so, would be purely speculative on our part. I can speculate that he probably *did* (with good reason), but as much as it crossed my mind, I tried to avoid stating anything like “Mozart was probably wondering why he, as the obviously supervisor composer, was ranked below this second-rate Italian”, as, like I mentioned, I couldn’t support that assertion with his own words.

[@GeraldWilhelmBradenComposer]

It's true that Salieri was a very good composer, and composed a wonderful and respected collection of compositions during his lifetime. Though it is also true, that Salieri was in no way as gifted as Mozart was. It's also true that Mozart was probably very jealous of the fact that Salieri received more attention from the court, the Emperor, and his group of musical minions in the aristocracy that "controlled" what was considered "the best music" for the public. Salieri was also well liked by the aristocracy, because he bowed to their desires, where as Mozart would not, and was often considered a trouble maker and irreverent to the aristocracy and church officials. Mozart knew he was the best composer and musician, and I'm sure he was always very frustrated that he didn't receive the attention he deserved while he was alive. This frustration is most probably what led to his excessive drinking and gambling, and eventually to his early demise. The Amadeus film was not historically correct, though it was still very wonderful and dramatic, and "much" of the story was true. I'm from Vienna, and grew up on the music of Mozart, and of course, music all the other great "sauerkraut eaters." Though as "usual," the test of time has determined who was the best composer, as Mozart's works are still performed and admired today, where as most of Salieri's music is hardly ever performed or recognized today. ... Peace and Love! 🎼❤☮

[@secondchairmusic]

You know what? You bring up a really good point about Salieri being a lot more willing to cater to the ruling class, leading to his favor with them. Very good point. Mozart seemed significantly more “individualistic”. Perhaps if it was a bit more clear to him as to why his contemporary received higher favor from the nobility, maybe it wouldn’t have bothered him so much… Btw, it is a dream of mine to visit Vienna! I’d love to walk the same streets that the great masters once did (and stuff myself with delicious sausage, of course 😋).

[@GeraldWilhelmBradenComposer]

@@secondchairmusic Yes, Vienna is a wonderful and beautiful city, and living Ohio in the US, I often miss it so much. Though the climate where I live is very similar to Austria, except there are no mountains here. Mozart was also very "spoiled" at all the attention he received as a child "Wunderkind," and it was probably a very tough transition for him, when he grew up and was not treated like the cute little genius of his youth. I'm sure that had a lot to do with the issues he experienced as an adult.

[@classicallpvault]

@@GeraldWilhelmBradenComposer Mozart wasn't spoiled at all. He was widely praised and touted as a genius but his father, although very kind to him (unlike for example the violent brute that Beethoven's father was, and also unlike the general stoic attitude towards raising children prevalent at the time) was also very demanding and instilled in him a tremendous work ethic. Mozart even felt insulted by the fact that people mistook his compositional prowess for a result of mere genius though in reality it was a combination of incredible talent and incredible hard work, and complained about it in letters to his father. Not exactly the sort of prima donna behaviour one would associate with someone who was 'spoiled'. He was incredibly self-conscious and perfectionistic in his work ethic and literally worked himself to exhaustion over and over again, which might well have played a major role in his untimely demise, exhausted from the tireless efforts towards finishing his Requiem. A lot of popular misconceptions about him have persisted to this day and sometimes have been greatly exaggerated for dramatic effect in the various films and stage works depicting his life.

[@82dorrin]

@@secondchairmusic I would say that Salieri was more artisan than artist. His works were carefully crafted to be popular and well received. He wasn't "expressing himself" as much as he was creating a product.

[@excelsior999]

@@secondchairmusic IOW, it seems that Mozart (who surely knew that musically speaking, he was greatly superior to more successful composers in his circle - not only Salieri) was not temperamentally disposed to play the political game of "Go along to Get along."

[@gaboelexo]

What an oustanding video about one who has been bashed by people who dont really dive into history, thank you, this was truly amazing

[@fedezzefelbudapestet6493]

Salieri was living rent free into Mozarts mind

[@MusicismoreImportant]

I'm sure Js Bach and Franz Joseph Haydn too

[@fedezzefelbudapestet6493]

​​@@MusicismoreImportant Sir, you're god damn right! Actually, every musician that was more successful than him, would probably live rent free in his mind. Due to his lack of success compared to his contemporaries

[@MusicismoreImportant]

@@fedezzefelbudapestet6493 Mozart was super creative too though

[@MusicismoreImportant]

@@fedezzefelbudapestet6493 however tchaikovsky, Mozart were careless with money which is sad Or just too focused on music It happens in all fields of life

[@fedezzefelbudapestet6493]

@@MusicismoreImportant Well Mozart from a young age was a party animal. Mozart was spoiled. That's the thing. I didn't know that Tchaikovsky was bad with money.

[@balahariharan1130]

I like this video! Very good! 😁

[@secondchairmusic]

I'm glad you like it! 😊

[@bibobabu8756]

Damn your video editing skills are amazing… Which programs do you use?

[@secondchairmusic]

🤣🤣 Idk bout “amazing”, but THANKS!! I used Adobe premiere pro and after effects for editing, and photoshop and Midjourney for the images. And Storyblocks for stock footage.

[@cleverlydevisedmyth]

Salieri must have been a great teacher at least. His pupils were Schubert, Beethoven, Liszt and Czerny. Not a bad resume...

[@VAMR-vc7xg]

I love your work SecondChairMusic

[@secondchairmusic]

And I love you!! 🥰

[@MrWoodCy]

Salieri also conducted Mozart symphonies and masses throughout the latter part of the 1780s to the end of Mozart’s life.

[@secondchairmusic]

Yep! Salieri was a good colleague for the most part.

[@shenwei1612]

8:04 What is the name of this piece?

[@danielgloverpiano7693]

I think Mozart was also jealous of Clementi. He never had a good thing to say about him and particularly singled out his ability to play double thirds. It’s obvious from his music that Mozart was less interested in virtuosity. I think Clementi’s piano prowess triggered Mozart and it didn’t help that their famous duel ended in a “draw.”

[@secondchairmusic]

You know, you’re probably right about that! I remember reading Mozart’s letter to his father where he detailed that duel. Honestly, Mozart was sounding like a bit of a hater. 😂😂

[@danielgloverpiano7693]

An excellent video with a lot of information to think about. I’ve read that it’s quite likely Mozart was autistic. If true, this may somewhat explain the hesitation of people to engage him in certain musical posts he desired. We know he had a crude side, and perhaps this put off perspective employers? Just my own speculation.

[@caterscarrots3407]

I like the perspective you give here on the relationship between Mozart and Salieri. I do think it's unfair how the public sees Salieri and his music as second rate in comparison to Mozart. I have heard Salieri's 28 Variations on La Folia for orchestra and it's just as great of music in my opinion as any Mozart symphony.

[@MetalClassicalRocks]

I can't stand Amadeus because of the totally unnecessary character assassination. It's just not cool to do to a historical figure, especially one who wasn't a bad person.

[@catpoisonlover]

He's dead.

[@naimahq8739]

And sometimes folks, “a little” competition is ALRIGHT. Lol I could imagine my parents telling me this.

[@Sunkem1Not6Hacks]

Wow I never knew that there was a possibility of that being the case, I guess with all of history, things simply are not black and white. There is always more to it

[@secondchairmusic]

It was super interesting reading his letters. Salieri was definitely on his mind! 😂😂

[@jackisinforthewin]

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[@secondchairmusic]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 my bad…

[@NathanKing-e2r]

@@secondchairmusic Not bad, good. You’re focusing on quality and community outreach. There is no shame there.

[@yingyangmapper5399]

Well well well how the tables have turned

[@NathanKing-e2r]

No, no, how the turntables.

[@orbsyzt11]

What's the name of piece you used in video?

[@NN-rn1oz]

Now we need a movie in which Mozart is a frustrated and jealous composer, and Salieri as an obnoxious punk with an annoying high pitched laugh that drives Mozart crazy.

[@alexah3h337]

@@NN-rn1oz fr 😆

[@capitaonemo7216]

A carreira e o talento traçam linhas irracionais... quem queria ser amigo de Mozart e Van Gogh em vida, quem quer ser amigo de Salieri e Bouguereau na morte.

[@crowsan2871]

So basically Mozart was the classical version of "the child star" archetype? Dang

[@naimahq8739]

When your parents die but you get adopted by rich people… lol

[@vixdevil]

Wow they texted back then also 😂

[@renzo6490]

Jealous or envious?

[@valeriefields7902]

What the heck would Mozart be envious of him for?

[@RhodesyYT]

Next we could see how good chopins technique compared to alkan and liszt (chopin in his prime)

[@gemoraly]

The voice of mozart is so silly

[@secondchairmusic]

🤣😂 I thought he was a perfect fit!

[@SuperKot1922]

​@@secondchairmusiche was 😌

[@artistsingerwriterproducer8288]

SMS was in THIS time not possible, false Informations

[@galaxywonders7819]

They were like Prince and MJ. Jealousy here jealousy that 😂

[@TheCAPTAINDESTROYER]

The more pressing question is “what if Mozart had lived to old age?” I think the answer is very obvious; no debates on who is the greatest ever composer. We were all robbed. The greatest music never written died with Mozart and Schubert in their young graves. If there is a God, He obviously isn’t a music fan.

[@JessicaBusiness-q6t]

Hahaha The great Monique has posted 🙌🏽🤎 WE LOVE IT !

[@secondchairmusic]

WELL, WELL, WELL!!! Who do I see here?!? 😏 "The great" tho? LOLOL