What if Napoleon Had Succeeded? | Alternate History

This alternate history video dives into a fictional world where France won the Napoleonic wars, establishing a new European order centered around France.
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[@juanmendez3290]

Everyone quiet, the goat is back

[@jonahwellnitz4282]

Facts

[@ignasignas9469]

That is not good satan being back is not ok.

[@teamgamespace5708]

​@@ignasignas9469he is not british so it's ok

[@cantyoms]

@@ignasignas9469 keep in mind, he asked for peace before hand, dont call him a monster or even SATAN,you can call BRITAIN the satan or maybe the coalition he also wanted to save his country from the bad things that were already done in the kingdom of france or ancien regime time and also wanted to be a great commander, which he succeeded with.

[@KamDaManWasTaken]

​@@ignasignas9469 sure Napoleon did some bad things but he revolutionized republican ideals around the world

[@quinzerrak4975]

It would be fun to speculate how powerful a twentieth-century Napoleonic-socialist French superpower would be with a strong military, an internationally competent space program and a thriving population. I can imagine the Arc de Triomphe being considerably larger.

[@KovoriaTheConquerer]

Pretty much replace the USSR in this timeline, but as a unitary body that would not collapse as easily as the USSR did.

[@yeetman4953]

@@KovoriaTheConquerer and a 100 times more based.

[@Nippus69]

I love these videos. The senario doesn’t stop after maybe 10 or 15 years.

[@charmyzard]

They become very hard to keep predicting after a point, that's true.

[@tiltltt]

Best case scenario for Napoleon would be slowing down the momentum of the sixth coalition in 1812, dragging the war until they signed a peace treaty that kept the Rhine border and recognized his son as the heir of the empire. He is sent to Elba and lives just enough to see his son crowned as emperor at age 18. Belgium never gets to exist.

[@squidwardsuarepants2382]

the belgium part is the best about this one

[@gabrielalejandrodoldan4722]

La línea de tiempo sagrada

[@NaijaBiafra]

good

[@riowhi7]

I’ve often wondered about what France would look like if it’s birthrates had not started to decline so early on (the late 1700s). 80 million? 100 million? 120 million? Imagine the World Wars in a scenario like this.

[@prohacker5086]

Imagine if the birth rates wasn't declining right now

[@smal750]

France wouldve swipped germany and the allies wouldve been fighting France

[@gabilax2745]

With a growth similar to Germany in our world, it would be around 120 millions. Ironically France's birth growth rate was slowed by reforms of the law of succession and the Napoleonic wars, both happening in the 1800's. So if the initial french revolution had succeded, France would have had a very british influenced political system and a massive population. In the end, the revolution and Napoleon turned out to be very bad for France who could have easily been the 3rd world power nowdays.

[@uncommon_name9337]

Everyone would be in poverty.

[@prohacker5086]

@@uncommon_name9337 Birth rate in US is above average and it's still the wealthiest country in the world. Israel is a technochratic giant and has birth rate double that of Germany.

[@arthurbriand2175]

You have been missed A couple scenarios : What if the royalists won the English Civil war in its first year? An absolutist England might change the rest of History including America's What if the english settlers lost King Phillip's war and New England collapsed? Basically they either go to the southern colonies or back to England and the Dutch, French and natives all take parts of New England. What if the crusader states survived ? What if the Mameluks modernised and resisted the Ottomans? The Ottomans have a smaller territory and may be more focused toward Europe. What if the Imperials won the 30 years war early?

[@MyHoeDespawned]

Every one of your videos is great, keep up the good work king.

[@ilyac3185]

Napoleon listed 4.5 great mistakes in his reign: Turning on Toussaint in Haiti, invading Spain, invading Russia and killing the Duke D’Enghein.

[@ommsterlitz1805]

He didn't killed the Duke, Talleyrand pressed everyone so the duke could be killed asap. Spain and Russia weren't mistakes Russia was building a massive army after they broke the treaty of Tilsit after they received even more money from the Uk, the Grande armée surfered the most casualties in the summer though illnesses and heat stroke while the winter was the coldest ever recorded at the time Napoleon couldn't predict it even if his ennemies called him the God of War. Spain was ruled by the incompetent Bourbon but the priest and nobles fearing that they would lose all of their privileges (witch indeed they would have) turned the population against France, so the spanish people got tricked fighting for an incompetent monarchy and to stay in serfdom.

[@alefergo1527]

The movie has led to multiple alt history scenarios about Napoleon winning. This is the third I see.

[@rayke0627]

Your alt hist videos are honestly the best om youtube. Its the perfect combination of realism and also fun scenarios

[@gggdrengen]

love the fancy background music, nice touch :)

[@carlthesanellama3633]

Neatling, Videntis and possible history truly are the GOATS

[@MrDylan2125]

Always a great day when Neatling posts.

[@crusader2112]

Welcome back. Great video. I like the Southern German State. 👍

[@noel_xlk]

I've been watching ever since the eastern Rome videos, where i called your channel criminally underrated. I'm so happy to see how far your channel has gone. Remember me when you get to 100,000 ❤

[@trigonater]

video made me subscribe. Never even knew you existed, dont know how.

[@random-J]

The problem with empires is that they never last

[@labrynianrebel]

The problem with democracies is that they never last.

[@georgios_5342]

Why did I not get a notification for this? Thanks neatling!

[@NewDealChief]

Welcome back!

[@Luciano_1776]

W and unique video as always

[@Funnystrongman]

u guys notice how scandinavia unites in every one of these alt hists lmao

[@Mr.Gravyman]

Heh yep, and he's never uploaded a video about the swedish empire, only the Danish or Norwegian parts and also Kalmar union.

[@idontlikeanime.9972]

Yeah its pretty funny, guys obsessed with nordic unity. I dont really blame him tho, its ones of those scenarios thats weird that it didnt happen in real life

[@conneranderson219]

What if emperor Maurice succeeded?

[@krle7970]

Great video

[@sagittariusa7662]

Napoleon would had focused on developing the French fleet, not caring about the Spanish monarchy so long as they remain loyal and even assisting them in conquering Portugal. He could insist that the crown prince engage in as a minor king of the realm of Spain. Napoleon could had backed Ferdinand in 1807 who did reach out to him and insist Charles relinquish some of his authority to Ferdinand as a means to prepare him for the rule of succession. This would prevent France from destroying itself in subjucating the Spanish. And in turn France could had used that time build up its Navy, solidate itself and invade the United Kingdom. "The British Fleet is too strong." Actually, it was just dumb luck that helped the British. They weren't that invincible. If France had as many ships and had naval officers on par with best of Venice, Genoa and the Netherlands, they could take on the British and it would be a close call, more Ships and the British are done for. If Britian is defeated, the need for the Continental System would be less necessary and the need to go to war with Russia just wouldn't happen.

[@qgqsrg1]

Also with the lack of interventions from the USA in this scenario would mean mass migration of scientists and export of technologies to the states as a results of the 2 world wars wouldn't happen. Plus Europe wouldn't be dependant on the states nearly as much, all leading to a weaker USA than irl.

[@sagittariusa7662]

@@qgqsrg1 But we have all the scientists.

[@sagittariusa7662]

@@qgqsrg1 Also America's strength is not based on Europe's dependence on us. It is based on our geography. We have way more agricultural land and we have more resources. If America remains stable, grows, and reforms, which would probably happen if we have more intelligent people here, which would happen if your scientists moved to here, then we would actually be much stronger. America could conquer the entire world as is. Being even more advance, we could do so earlier. The idea that Europe after suffering a brain drain could stand up to us is laughable. Europe has always been the weakest of the continents and only dominated the world due to following: A) Lack of innovation in the Americas. B) Islam after the Mongols. Completely different from Islam before the Mongols. C) The Mongols. D) Lack of resistance to diseases in the Americas. E) Colonizing the Americas and innovating before colonizing Africa and Asia. So it is circumstantial. Remember Oman beat back the Portuguese and took some of their colonies in East Africa. It would be like that for all Europeans if they didn't have those five things going for them when decided to carve up Africa and China as well as subdue all of India.

[@qgqsrg1]

@sagittariusa7662 In this scenario, there is no brain drain. The USA would not get the so many technologies they gained from the world wars, directly or indirectly. Also Spain not getting r*ped by france and instead getting support from them and their allies, makes Spain much more likely to keep their colonies, actually all of Europe pretty much keep most of their colonies in this scenario. Yes, Europe's reliance on the states in our timeline is not even a major factor in US strength, "just" political and economic influence. However, in this scenario, Europe is much stronger and is still colonial, for much longer at least.

[@qgqsrg1]

​@@sagittariusa7662 this is a scenario where no brain drain happen, all the scientists and technologies the USA gained thanks to the world wars, especially ww2, directly or indirectly, simply stay in Europe. IRL, Western Europe's US reliance "just" boosts US influence and economy, not a major factor in US strength indeed. However in this scenario much of Europe would keep their colonies and not have their entire infrastructure blown to pieces. Furthermore Spain who would have support from France and its allies instead of getting invaded, would also be much more likely to keep their colonies in what are today's states, for at least much longer than our timeline, actually becoming really profitable to their metropolises and not just private companies, and resulting in a likely smaller USA with much less migration from Europe. D) it isn't like Europe didn't suffer from lack of resistance to diseases, such as the Plague that wiped out half of Europe. Plus diseases delayed Europe's invasions of Africa by centuries due to Europeans surviving less than 1 year if they decided to go inland. A+E) "innovating before" isn't that a requirement for dominating? no backward society is going to dominate anything Weakest of the continents? Europe is by far the smallest continent, well except Australia/Oceana, and lets not forget the Roman and Macedonian empires. Plus no other continent have their nigh entirety link to one common religion, culture and legacy, Christianity and Rome. ie: Asia is divided in Chinese, Mongol, Indian, SE Asian, North Asian and Arabic cultures, was also gonna mention Persian but Arabs basically replaced it, as well as divided in several different religion/philosophies. Whereas in Europe pretty much everyone links itself with Rome other than Scandinavia, Ireland and Scotland, plus all of it was Christian. Simply put call a middle easterner an Asian and he will pretty much laugh at you. In other words Europe was only the weakest in the medieval ages despite its lower pop, and even then there's the Frankish Kingdom and Eastern Roman Empire for a while.

[@sundotjolangot9937]

Great video! I'm currently re-reading Michael Broers' first volume of his Napoleon biography, and I generally concur that Napoleon's sense of national regeneration was born out of revolutionary principles of meritocracy and equality before the law. Despite his later naked use of power, he was actually very subtle in his maneuverings, most especially when he was consolidating his grip on France, totally blindsiding everyone else in the newly formed political elite. Nevertheless, he kept certain republican institutions alive, the most prominent ones being the Legislative Corps, the Council of State, and the Private Council which he used to discuss and arbitrate laws for consideration, negating the need for "National Assemblies" which he distrusted due to its factionalism. He used national plebescites to his advantage, allowing people only "Yes" and "No" votes to "feel" the popular mood. His government was elitist but popular at the same time, mainly because he delivered on his promises. His statecraft was entirely based on technocratic proficiency rather than popular rule, defined as "confidence from below, power from above". He promoted men of talent even if they staunchly disagreed with him, and he forced crypto royalists and ex-Jacobins to work together for him in constructing his new state. This was a pattern that he would repeat everywhere his armies marched into with varying levels of success. His view of a "united Europe" under French hegemony was almost achieved, if not for his material and strategic blind spots, namely, his inability to replace losses massive on the field (for obvious reasons), his petulance and inability to generate an equable peace with his enemies (might makes right), and his inability to make real allies (a profound character flaw). His ambition wasn't really to "rule Europe", but to create a new one entirely with Paris as the beating heart of a federated continent. This scenario is very interesting to ponder.

[@CVinny982]

Napoleon is too ambitious, there's nothing we can do.

[@travishunt2083]

The return of the GOAT

[@Mr_OogaBooga]

He's back, He's ready to attack, and his name, is neatling

[@PolarisStar5]

Could this mean Russian and French communism could end up in a split like Iraq and Syria?

[@ignasignas9469]

Nah it would die before that would happen.

[@MrDude826]

Nope, Russian serfdom is abolished and the communist revolution never happens.

[@shzarmai]

Cool video as uaual

[@JTL1776]

What if America went colonial. America actually settles and industrializes the colonies it did have in Carribean, Central America, and Africa. America purchases Greenland from Denmark. Madagascar from France. Annexed the Yucatan and Baja Pennisula's. Falklands and Formosa.

[@denmichaelmalayo9716]

I mean they did via Philippines

[@MCLegend13]

That wouldn’t be possible because I’m pretty sure the more powerful Europeans wouldn’t allow it. I can see them having territory’s from the weak Spanish Empire like Cuba, Panama, maybe some other territories in the Caribbean and central America and still taking the Philippines, but The European superpowers of Britain, France and Germany would never allow America to take any territory that they already own or have a claim on.

[@aghomidaniel1937]

@@MCLegend13Germany and France didn’t have the capacity to do anything about it. Neither could actually sustain a war against continental United States. The British are the only one there who could.

[@MCLegend13]

@@aghomidaniel1937 both of them had larger navies in the late nineteenth century when the Americans started their real life semi colonial expansion. So they definitely could prevent America from taking their colonies or lands they have ambitions for. Remember France and Germany are not Spain the sick man of Europe at the time so the US can’t just roll up and outright destroy the German and or French fleets. More likely Americans are the ones that get sunk.

[@smal750]

​@@aghomidaniel1937 LOL the american army was a joke until 1941

[@KiraiKatsuji]

I really miss those end sumarizing of the GDP and Population as that was really fun

[@williamsmeds1368]

The emperor has returned

[@Numba003]

I thought this one was quite interesting. I struggle to imagine a "United States of Europe" at the time period, but given Napoleon's changes, it could've happened in some form. World history since then would be wildly different lol. I would be interested in future follow up videos to this one if ever you're interested. Thank you for this one regardless! God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)

[@Paddythelaad]

I like how this video started

[@andrasbalogh4291]

7:22 does someone understand what balls is Neatling talking about? I can't catch the word and I don't know the term, I want to learn what this military tech is.

[@pantelistriantafyllou2586]

Its apparently some sort of bullet en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini%C3%A9_ball

[@Tracer_Krieg]

Minette Balls. It was one of the first rifled shaped munitions used in Rifles that dramatically increased killing potential, range and accuracy.

[@MCLegend13]

Britain would keep its empire to stop France from taking it in this timeline as France Simply wouldn’t ever get the Naval strength to ever challenge the Royal Navy and the further down the line you go the less and less likely for France it is. So in this Scenario the British Empire remains a world power and is Americas largest Ally in the alternate Cold War against France and Russia.

[@smal750]

If france kept its empire for that long it would absolutely outnumber the royal navy

[@ChristianSannino1904]

Cool scenario of Europe

[@emw6014]

This is the best timeline

[@prismaticc_abyss]

As a German, that sounds like an incredibly scary turn of events, the darkest timeline

[@julien3331]

As a French, it sounds like paradise :)

[@TheHatersarebad]

What if the Norman Conquest never happened?

[@ladahieno2382]

omg, Neatling is alive!

[@Lukdnuke_Narson]

Afternoon

[@BamBamAbraham]

Nice

[@Ksescel]

Guess who’s back…

[@carloscheng3315]

You should also consider what happens the colonies. Nice video anyways.

[@justin-hb2xl]

Crazy

[@TheHatersarebad]

What if the Visigoths are not conquered by the Moors/Arabs?

[@sstsaldana24]

His worst mistake was trying to Install a ruler and invading spain. To get at portugal. He saw the Spain as backwards. This invasion was stopped when he was defeated at paris. The disastrous Russian campaign cost him alot of men. But when he made it back to his borders it was done and wasnt dragged out where he had to leave men to occupy and defend against guerilla fighters. The Spanish campaign also made him look like he could be defeated. Before this time he was looking invincible. I could go on and on. But research and you will see how costly invading the Iberian peninsula was pointless and would of gained him little. But another front to fight and defend.

[@TheHatersarebad]

What if the Fourth Crusade never happened?

[@felipelima3626]

What If carolingian Empire !

[@andrzejhinc6404]

You stated good, but borders in the last part, especially in the east are just a copy from our timeline, that could happen only because of Russian, Prussia, and austrian dominance

[@overdriveoutershaxson1837]

Best timeline

[@ava-he9li]

Why napoleon didn’t anex Spain, Italy and Germany?

[@TDroid-0208]

good video, but the commi France is a bit weird

[@Hannibal-fe3cp]

yeah NO xD Spain would have never allied with Napoleon if he took catalonia and the balearic islands, literally almost all the industralization done in the peninsula was on catalonia and the menace of raids from the balearic islands cannot be underestimated. If their borders were respected however, things would have changed.

[@felizeumida4374]

>Napoleon wins >??? >Lelouch takes over the world and dies for world peace

[@ukn622]

What if Arabs won battle of covadonga and tours in the same timeline?

[@VanBurenOfficial]

Excellent video, very thought-provoking, however after about nine minutes in it sort of just goes off the rails into alt-hist speculation and has very little to do with Napoleon...

[@freddiemercury8237]

There’s something we can do

[@MrDiagorasofmelos]

Illustrating Napoleon's reign with a picture of the battle of Valmy... How serious are you bro?

[@TheHatersarebad]

What if the Holy Roman Empire never formed?

[@jamescarriere7332]

Neuron Activation

[@soudino2723]

what if the ottoman empire resurged in the 19th century?

[@jonahwellnitz4282]

Anyone else notice how comminist france is purple cause red plus blue

[@ilyac3185]

Given that France has Valencia on the map he invaded Spain.

[@kingdmind]

Thats Catalonia

[@TitusWaddimba]

France would probably go for fascism. More developed nations tend to go for fascism, and less developed ones go for communism.

[@unisangalaxystudio]

My dream list is this or Napoleon was like Rome from your Map Iberian Peninsula - Joseph Bonaparte King of Iberia and the Indies * Maria I of Portugal move the Kingdom to Brazil and became Empire of Brazil with Maria controlling ( Brazil,Angola,Mozambique) France - Napoleon controlling ( France, Italy, and Rhine) Prussia - Jérôme Bonaparte controlling ( Prussia ) Croatia - Rule By Louis Bonaparte Hungary - Rule By Joachim Murat Poland - Rule by Elisa Bonaparte Austria - Rule by Francis II but with a small Austria but still is Emperor of small Austria Denmark-Norway - Rule By Napoleon's friend Frederick VI Sweden - Rule by Charles XIV John ------------------------------- I can see in by 1905 Russian Empire will collapse to the USSR

[@Kaiser.gaming]

There’s nothing we can do

[@S1AR_DUS1]

What if napoleon wasn’t napoleon

[@lukaspeciura6225]

why would the serbs want to become part of a yugo slav nation, why would they not want to maintain full autonomy after gaining independance?

[@TgamerBio5529]

People that too over confident and thinks there are on top of the world will one day fail 😂😂😂 history repeats again

[@raijin2197]

But like why did Scandinavia split

[@drunkenslav2334]

you should read more on the russian revolution, and lenin's speeches, also about the material conditions of the time, so you could make more detailed and prepared descriptions and predictions

[@drunkenslav2334]

also on social democracy, and democratic socialism

[@CapCreeperGR_Main]

There is nothing we can do

[@Catos23]

I may be dum dum, but how tf it could go PERFECT for Napoleon, if he loses his throne and loses the war? 🗿

[@miniaturejayhawk8702]

Early EU?

[@enderallgames8716]

Suggestion: what if pan-arabism succeeded?

[@mnk9073]

The good ending. 🌟

[@MrGnorts]

Polish-Ukrainian Commonwealth (loose confederation) Bonus: Belarus joins (PBU C? PUB C? UBP C? BUP C? BPU C?)

[@victorn5870]

He will try to rebuild the roman empire imo

[@ungusbungus2486]

He has no reason to do that

[@raijin2197]

Elsker at du giver Danmark Skåne

[@gggdrengen]

præcis hvad jeg tænkte :D

[@NelsonDiscovery]

He shouldn't have invaded Spain either. That was his first blunder.

[@Superslemmet]

Towards the end, I seriously doubt a western democratic communism/socialism could be on cordial terms with the USSR. We have Tito's Yugoslavia to compare with, and for the USSR everyone else simply had to submit to their interpretation of communism. Anything else was a threat to the stability of their system. The same would go here. A French-lead more relaxed communism could only be handled by demonizing that system and inciting the population of the USSR against them, otherwise it would cause a lot of social unrest.

[@runcis182]

Average Europa Universalis and Victoria player be like...

[@Nac-Soc-Geo]

And fascism would not be formed in Italy?

[@goldenrepublic6848]

I enjoy my meals

[@epok7272]

Napooleon

[@kingdmind]

Napolion

[@pantelistriantafyllou2586]

That EU flag actually goes hard tbh

[@angemalaurie6074]

the rose is because it's a french symbol for socialism

[@TheSwedishHistorian]

I think the Ottomans would mostly want to be neutral

[@shawnwilson8256]

I don't agree that most empires in history collapse for being too authoritarian. Napoleon's authoritarianism is actually pretty tame compared to most empires in history and even they took centuries to collapse. Think of the Roman, Byzantine, Achaemenid, Abbasid, Spanish, Mughal, Ming and Qing empires. They all were more authoritarian and all lasted longer than Napoleon's empire. Most empires in history collapsed because of decadence, in short being so wealthy and successful that they lost the willingness to fight. Let me repeat that, the reason most empires in history fell was because they became too pacifistic. Looking at you Modern Day Europe. I will grant you one thing, high taxes is not good for holding down an empire.

[@Gigachadsik]

He obviously a redditor who LOVES communism how else would you spin Napoleon winning=Communist europe.

[@ImBadAtNames2876]

well i didnt think napoleon winning would result in european communism, but i dont hate. in my books, socdem for the win.

[@Paddythelaad]

He succeed and would have had complete success if he had just not over committed into a harsh Russian winter waiting for a surrender in Moscow.

[@Poctyk]

He would've won if he committed to the ideas of French Revolution and proclaimed liberation of serfs of the Russian Empire. The empire would go up in flames. But that would go against the entire purpose of the Russian campaign -- show of force.

[@mrsillytacos]

If Monsieur Z did a video on this: OMG NAPOLOEN WOULD MAKE EUROPE HEAVEN ON EARTH BECAUSE FASCIST ETHNOSTATE BASED, AS A LIBERTARIAN!

[@jackr9445]

Wut da frnch doin

[@iaminpain58]

Took a cringe ass turn at the end but still cool I guess

[@ungusbungus2486]

What was the cringe ass turn

[@Zuptanator3]

POUR L'EMPIRE FRANÇAIS

[@randommonkey4900]

ussr turkis war

[@abubakral-spongebob4270]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:11 🌍 *Napoleon's success hinges on avoiding the disastrous Russian invasion in 1812, allowing him to consolidate control over Europe through diplomatic finesse.* 01:40 🤝 *To secure European support, Napoleon could have granted more autonomy, avoided heavy taxation, and promoted the ideals of the French Revolution, gaining popularity across the continent.* 02:52 🌐 *The scenario envisions a lasting peace deal, reshaping Europe into a less authoritarian Continental System, led by France, and forming a United States of Europe.* 08:09 🔄 *After the Second Great War, Europe undergoes significant changes, with the fall of France leading to the rise of communism, a reshaped political landscape, and the beginning of a unique Cold War.* 11:56 🚀 *In the later years, a three-way multi-polar world emerges with the US, European Collective, and China as major players, marked by a competitive yet interconnected global scenario.* Made with HARPA AI

[@MrDude826]

Europe would have been much better. Russian Serfdom would have been abolished and communism wouldn't exist as we see it today. Bourgeoisie capitalism would have been much more prevalent with some socialist policies to help the poor.