What If Objectivism Succeeded? | Alternate History

What If Ayn Rand's Philosophy Of Objectivism Became More Wide-Spread And Popular In the 1950's?
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[@MonsieurDean]

Expect Another Video Next Wednesday At 2:30pm EST As Always!

[@cabin4445]

What if the Soviet Union joined the axis powers?

[@theuniversedoesntcare]

Sorry, Richard Rahl blew up the power of Orden, it no longer exists.

[@davidsego829]

What if soviet union joind axis powers

[@rjabrogar3492]

What if the philippines became a belgian colony

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

If they had not made themselves an enemy of religion and instead embraced a more agnostic stance, they might have gained more traction.

[@Lukdnuke_Narson]

Monsieur z the video was great. The difference between most alternate historians on KZbin is that they talk about the people or land consequences more while you would focus on structure and the ideology

[@caucasusmapper7098]

Because they assume you already know what it is.

[@aramk2663]

His videos are good, true. But the reason why most of them don't really talk about ideology is because people tend to be unpredictable and ideologicallys tend to shift rapidly over the years. This guy tends to take a more right wing approach which to be honest annoys me a little since he makes so many assumptions.

[@barry3612]

@@aramk2663 I don't think he claims to have the ability to see vividly into other alternate realities , he's just giving his opinion based on his world view and understanding of reality. That's all left and right are, view points from which to see the world. If you disagree , that's ok but I don't see why it would annoy you . Everyone has some bias , unless you literally lived in a void your whole life.

[@KevinJohnson-cv2no]

@@aramk2663 Is "right wing approach" what leftists call logical conclusions that don't conform to their economically illiterate vision of the world? I suppose if Objectivism succeeded you'd think we'd all be slaves to corporate overlords or something?

[@aramk2663]

@@KevinJohnson-cv2no You'd have to be an idiot not see the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. People ARE NOT GOOD, one of the fundamental rules of the economy is that people will always do what benefits THEM the most. Without the minimum governmental regulations we have now we would still live in 1890s era working environments. Pull your head out of your ass, stop being a sheep, and realize who is actually hurting your societal standing.

[@barry3612]

If I had a dollar for everytime you started a video with "in the beginning of the 20th century"...

[@gorge2786]

If I had a dollar for every death in “the beginning of the 20th century”. He mentions it a lot because of how important the period is.

[@barry3612]

@@gorge2786 Thankyou Gorge , very cool.

[@Shablimbles]

You would have at least one dollar

[@barry3612]

Gavin are you sure about that ?

[@dr.anderson1847]

Decade: *starts* Old guys with ideologies: Hey

[@josephquinnswolin3500]

What if the Germans Monarchist rebeled against Hitler and brought the Kaiser back.

[@ceddosamurai]

Do this. There was an assasination attempt by v. Witzleben in '41 iirc, which was probably the best time to assasinate Hitler

[@Edmonton-of2ec]

Kaisertreue What about the assassination attempt led by Claus Von Stauffenburg?

[@ceddosamurai]

@@Edmonton-of2ec it good and whatnot, but it was too late to change the course of WWII on a massive level. By July 1944, Operation Bagration was in progress, D-Day had already happened, Italy was halfway conquered by the Allies and the Axis had completely lost in Africa. Early June 1941(When von Witzleben's Plan was to take place) is when Germany is in the best position to negotiate with GB, who has no foothold on Europe at all, and he is not war with the Soviet Union yet.

[@TeeBar420]

@@frederickcubbins if you do heavy SS recruiting in occupied territories you can cause a monarchist civil war. Also the non-fascist tree has an option to restore the Kaiser. Also also Kaiserreich is a thing.

[@Edmonton-of2ec]

IKillU4Free It's spelled Kaiserreich you idiot. Also, the DNVP (the major monarchist party) collaborated with the Nazis during there rule. Seriously, the Nazis were extremely anti-monarchy. They even passed a law, the Prinzenerlass, to German federal royalty from serving in the military. This was because a Hohenzollern prince died in France and his death generated losts of public sympathy, and the Nazi feared pro-monarchist sentiment was a threat to there power.

[@imember7375]

What if Rome conquered persia What if Spain joined the axis What if Japan colonised American What if Mexico became communist What if the Qing dynasty never fell

[@timvanrijn8239]

Persian nobles rebel at earlies opperunity. Masopotamia is more roman.Gibraltar is closed off britian starves more. Spain becomes a target.fpr d-day. Los Angeles be the capital of japanese colony. The lightly settled colony is eventualy floaded by illigal american immigrants. The rock is the side of a japanese style fortress. Mexicos revolution turn socialist. The new goverment does not claim to be socialist but inpliments its policy. Afther ww2 mexico becomes more and more socialist. With a out decliration in the coldwar. The us can either run in guns or allow the limited mexican socialist republic to operate monotering it ties to moscow. The empress dowager is killed early on. Her son is raised by the military and others are send overseas to get schooling/dilomatic credit. Thr emperor holds his kingdom togetter better. Then jesus little brother still revolts and almost toplles the government. In the civil war one of the qing princes states to now be jin a han chinese that will remove the manchu from power. Maybe get yuan shikai or kedin to help him. He overtrows his cousing. Manchuria is desicnated kingdom under china and only there manchus may go. The now jin empire is more united and a bid more industial.

[@daikolirae155]

@@timvanrijn8239 if Japan colonised the Americas, there wouldn't be a Los Angeles

[@timvanrijn8239]

@@daikolirae155 mate there be city there

[@daikolirae155]

@@timvanrijn8239 No, the city was founded by the Mexicans or the Spanish (idk). If the Japanese colonised the area, that city would never have existed. It wasn't there at the dawn of time.

[@timvanrijn8239]

@@daikolirae155 san Francisco sits on a piece of land next to the best natural habour on the west coast. Now it might not be the first city. But it will exist. Like Constantinopel, london, newyork, and new orleans. Trade must flow.

[@Dietsch_]

>be jewish >last name is goldwater

[@PedroCosta-po5nu]

Based last name and goldpilled

[@NeoNero83]

I would argue you wouldn't have nearly as much prejudice in hiring practices. Rand was openly against racism bc of the fact that she saw it as the most evil form of collectivism. Thus, decades of objectivist thinking permeating through society would also lead people to believe this kind of prejudice to be wrong, as well.

[@bigmouthstrikesagain4056]

Based

[@Stargate2077]

Incredibly naive

[@TheUltimegaMan]

Huh, well I certainly hope some sort of curve wouldn’t undo this, maybe in the shape of an object that rings when shaken?

[@michaelbruvolt4221]

​@@bigmouthstrikesagain4056based???

[@DavidVreeland-tr1dv]

I agree with you but for entirely different reasons. Open racism would probably exist as in there might be a couple of stores that will openly discriminate. However, the biggest change would be from the abolition of affirmative action and welfare. The black population in the US was on its way to either catching up to or surpassing the white population in terms of wealth before affirmative action and welfare set up a system that incentivizes poor choices.

[@MasterCoD124]

It was almost scary how similar my personal ideology is to Ayn Rand's objectivism considering I've never heard of her before. I've always considered myself an "individualist" so this is very interesting. Thanks for the video mr Z

[@libertatemadvocatus1797]

Objectivism is basically Libertarianism that is explicitly atheistic with a lot of Romanticism thrown in.

[@kevinclarke113]

If you're interested in rand I would definitely check out the work of Max Sturmer aswell, he wrote a lot with a similar individualist viewpoint as rand but took a different perspective on things.

[@MasterCoD124]

@@kevinclarke113 much appreciated, I'll check him out

[@professorstratego_4972]

L3M0NZ the best thing to read is OPAR ( Objectivism the Philosophy of Ayn Rand) by Leonard Peikoff. Other than that definitely read her fiction.

[@MasterCoD124]

@@professorstratego_4972 thanks man, will look into it

[@klaytonknutson6284]

What if the social credit theory(by C.H. Douglas.) rose to prominence?

[@novatheredwitch1573]

What is the social credit theory?

[@klaytonknutson6284]

Fun fact: A social credit party ran the Canadian province of Alberta(where I'm from) for decades.

[@fduranthesee]

We have Social Credits in the US and China. In the US, you get points for doing alot of stuff. Notably, if you turn-in your work at School, the teacher gives you points (or that assignment was worth X amount of points) or when you're in a store, you can use those points. China's is kinda famous for what it's about.

[@TheRenegade...]

PrimalTheEmperor (primal9000) lol

[@GarrettFruge]

That would definitely be an interesting topic! I don't know a great deal about Social Credit myself, but I do know that it began in the U.K. in the early 1900s and was originally affiliated with the Guild Socialism movement, however, once Guild Socialism faded away Social Credit apparently ceased as a movement in the U.K., but crossed the Atlantic and became a significant third party in Canadian politics. That's pretty much the extent of my knowledge on the subject. I hope that was a bit useful!

[@realdeanhunter]

Alt Hist Idea: What if the Liberator Conspiracy was Better? Instead of just killing off Julius Caesar, they kill Mark Antony, Lepidus, Octavian and really completely purge the Caesarians from Rome. Would they be able to preserve the Republic? Would Civil War occur? Frankly I think it’s a fascinating scenario but doesn’t get much attention due to the fact that Rome already had so much drama at the time.

[@tntsummers926]

Nobody knew who Octavian was until after Caesar died, and lest all his possessions to him. Instead of the second triumphant, it would just be Octavian leading the faction.

[@floydlooney6837]

It was the Caesarians who did it to their enemies in real life, so yeah that would be interesting

[@michaelhowze8198]

The Republic was done well before Ceaser back as far as Sulla at minimum. If Ceaser hadn't knocked it over someone else would've

[@cynic2201]

God damn it, you just made me an objectivist

[@bloodaxe5028]

Objectivism is a lifestyle not a political system. It comments on politics only because politics affects you.

[@geheimnisvollerundbelanglo9396]

You could make that argument about literally any political philosophy, please stop being a special little snowflake.

[@stevenkarabelas9033]

objectivism sounds like more moderate egoism mixed with right-libertarianism

[@libertatemadvocatus1797]

@@user-cs8ei3eh8i That's not quite true. Although many Libertarians have been influenced by Objectivism and Ayn Rand; Libertarianism has more to do with the writings of various economists from the Austrian School. People such as Hayek and Mises being the most notable.

[@natesvideo8916]

I am a libertarian and overall I think objectivism good. I mean it allows you to do whatever you want without governmental control over your life or business. I think if objectivism came back today it would be more inclusive for blacks and gays because honestly Nowadays who cares if you’re gay black or white we’re all people and should be able to make our own choices without the government interfering. Free market and less government control

[@MisterZimbabwe]

Obwctivism doesn't take into account that the majority of your life is NOT in your control. Oh, you developed pancreatic cancer due to a genetic quirk? Fuck you nobody isgoing to help you. Maybe you might find someone who chose to pursue the medical knowledge that could help you, but good luck affording whatever astronomical sum they're going to charge you. Don't count on your private insurance to get you off the hook cheap, they're under no obligation to help you, they'll fight you tooth and nail to pay out as little as possible on your behalf. Objectivism if adopted on a wife scale will quickly devolve into a plutocratic mafia state. If armed thugs break into your home and steal your shit, nobodyis going to help you. Maybe you can hire mercenaries to guard your stuff and hunt down those who wronged you, but how many people can afford armed mercenaries? Not the average person,only people who already have wealth or I herited their wealth.

[@jamesricker3997]

Objectivists are Anarchists with a little capitalism thrown in

[@swampdonkey1567]

James Ricker anarchy with out capitalism isn’t real anarchy

[@thebronywiking]

I have a physical handicap so no, I am unfortunately not in full control of my life and in that reality I would be dead. Even though I have a high level of intelligence and I am studying national economics, law, and political philosophy in this world, in that world I would be left to die form starvation. One thing you didn't bring up is that having a large underclass increases the prevalence of in our reality preventable diseases. Either the wealthy would have to spend a higher amount on health care or they and the poor would all be dead.

[@barry3612]

Idk why you'd be dead, assuming your mother cares for you and also assuming she isn't dirt broke. Peaple would still care for each as was said in the video just only their immediate friends and family .

[@thebronywiking]

@@barry3612My mom has a cyst on the inside of her brain so she is unemployable and my dad tried to murder me when I was a baby. My mother's family used to be rich but were stabbed in the back by a conspiracy made up by the board of my family's company, some lawyers, other companies, and probably some members of my countries secret service. My uncle had to flee to the US because of this.

[@shorewall]

@@thebronywiking Sounds like a drag.

[@yakirchernin6015]

That the thing about extreme idealogies. They are blind to nyuances. (Hope I write it correctly) beside, I think it would be much worse. Without intiative to fight trusts, monopolies and even bigger corprations would arise, and working conditions would be similiar to China's.

[@barry3612]

@@thebronywiking I think your life just sucks in all timelines m8.

[@richdobbs6595]

To me, rather than the opposition of the downtrodden, the bigger challenge to Objectivism would be primate dominance hierarchies. That in practice it is very hard to distinguish talented, hardworking, intelligent leaders from bullshitting, exploitative, manipulative would-be rulers. Since the prior situation is complicated, in the migration to the Objectivist utopia, there would be many situations where it would not be clear how to proceed forward. So rather than necessarily evolving towards this free market utopia, it would be quite easy to just progress towards a new feudalism. Sort of like our current situation.

[@richdobbs6595]

God, I'm such a cynic. I don't even remember watching this video 3 years ago. But this original poster has some good points.

[@xiiir838]

Excellent video. Only mistake, in my opinion, is how you say the lower strata of society would be extremely poor: i don't think that would be the case. In objectivism, the biggest accomplishment one can achieve is to succeed in their personal goals. Everyone is free to try everything, meaning that the people that dreams to help others can do it without any intervention. Charity has always been a thing, from religious to secular charities, so a wealthier country will create organizations of people willing ti help others.

[@이동연-c6d]

Today, I learn the existence of the objectivism on this video, I love it! 😍🥰😘

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

What if the Indian Rebellion of 1857 was a success

[@codenameulp1495]

That was the Sepoy Rebellion, right?

[@bloodaxe5028]

Civil War, like after the Russian Revolution. मंगल पांडे (Mañgal Pāndé/Mangal Pandey) , the leader of the mutineers was already flaunting the idea of a democracy and not handing the control over to his royal allies.

[@bloodaxe5028]

@@codenameulp1495 yes but in India we call the Indian Revolt of 1857 .

[@Gamenetreviews]

Watch Mangal Pandey, one of my favorite movies of all time is about that revolt.

[@TheTriptamineDream]

A majority of the nation would not prosper. But a very few would do extremely well while the population would likely rise up a lot sooner.

[@MonsieurDean]

Unlikely, we'd be talking about only the most disadvantaged of society falling to the very bottom, while a rise in jobs and production allows the middle-class to grow larger than ever, able to enjoy the benefits that come with living in a rapidly advancing nation.

[@robin50150]

@@MonsieurDean literally a Ford society.

[@TheTriptamineDream]

Didn't work that way during the industrial revolution. Which is the closest we've come. It was a nightmare for most.

[@robin50150]

@@TheTriptamineDream Maybe because that's wasn't the case, i said Ford because if his management policy and the necessity of cheap price of the product, good salary, good system production (in the industry) and most of the employers buyed the producted from their workplace. Wasn't the case during the industrial revolution because that was a different industry, mainly about raw materials, where it didn't benefit directly to the workers on he's daily basis. This system or this idea could work during our time with less gouvernment action and more economic stability. I guess.

[@MonsieurDean]

@@TheTriptamineDream Actually, although the period saw only a minor rise in workers wages compared to that in previous years, the increase in production allow the cost of goods to plummet to levels never before imagined, meaning the common worker was now able to buy more than they had before, all this in a time where population boomed and prices were expected to go up not down. Quality of life for the common man and even lower class improved substantially.

[@1nONLY_DRock]

We may choose our destiny, but we don't choose our outcomes. Sometimes outside forces are even stronger than the human will. That's where objectivism falls on its ass.

[@LucretianObjectivist]

kindness, gratitude and charity are minor virtues in Objectivism. charity is perfectly rational to someone who got into a bad situation through no fault of their own. The only people who would fall into the bottom of society would be wife-beating drunks and hooligans. It would be a just society

[@angemalaurie6074]

@@LucretianObjectivist and handicaped people or people growing up in lower economic household with less access to education. It would still be far easier for wealthy people and kids

[@mathieuleader8601]

this timeline would be quite like the one seen in the novel The Probability Broach

[@gabbar51ngh]

Gotta look it up.

[@isaackellogg3493]

@@gabbar51nghthe POD is the Declaration being one word longer (“Unanimous consent of the governed”), so Washington was executed for counter-revolutionary sentiments when he tried to impose taxes. The Whiskey Rebellion became the Second American Revolution, Gallatin became President #2, and Jefferson ended slavery by meme war.

[@AtaMarKat]

Not gonna lie, this is definitely me when I build a city on the sea floor. P.S. Would you kindly talk about a world where real life Comstockism succeeded?

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Try Great Salt Lake Valley, 1847.

[@BallsMahone]

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

[@TheTriptamineDream]

You'd hope. But currently bosses take most of the value of our work.

[@MonsieurDean]

No says the man in Washington, it belongs to the poor.

[@robin50150]

@@TheTriptamineDream government*

[@hsoj9550]

@@MonsieurDean No, say the man in the Vatican, it belongs to God

[@theeternalchronicler3072]

No says the man in Moscow! It belongs to everyone!

[@RealCapoul]

This can make an interesting video game scenerio.

[@warlord733]

Im a big fan, this idea of a world where personal pride, responsibility, and merit are more important than they are today sounds delightful. Government working the way the Constitution actually outlined, and freedom being prioritized over equality sound like some of the truest realizations of how the pioneers would want the nation they founded to function.

[@MacCoalieCoalson]

>tfw The Empire of Walmart™ marks up their prices on child slaves

[@TransportSupremo]

The problem with this and politics in general is neither the right or left are right. Like everything there is always a balance in complex issues

[@bullmoosemedia]

How about we get a : "What if Nixon was president during the Cuban Missile Crisis?"

[@pilum3705]

What if the German Revolution of 1848 suceeded?

[@EmperorDarthOP]

Monsieur Z could you please do a What if Yellowstone Erupted during the 1941-1942 winter?

[@LedosKell]

What if the Pig War in 1859 erupted into a full scale war between the United States and United Kingdom?

[@koyba3747]

what if we raided area 51, only to find out that the aliens are in area 52

[@rheinbewachen1211]

I’m beginning to like this ideology but the idea for a government should be a mix of multiple ideologies so that the benefits of one balances another. Balance is key.

[@Ray-xq3cx]

What if Anarcho-Capitalism succeeded?

[@bloodaxe5028]

Haha, nice one

[@kennethbesecker8395]

The best what if? EVER postulated other than the top ones about the world… 🌎🎩🎩

[@ExistenceUniversity]

Gang warfare

[@RiggsBF]

What if SOuth Africa kept its nuclear weapons program?

[@danielkraus5560]

You should definittly read some of her books, like foutainhead, atlas shrugged or athem, right now im reading atlas shrugged and i love it

[@richardjoe4474]

This isn't exactly what I had in mind when I suggested a video about Ayn Rand and her ideology.

[@Avidcomp]

Ex Nihilo: The Truth About Money - free documentary to watch and learn from.

[@davidcanizares4626]

What if the Knights Templar Order Survived?

[@reisbrardo]

They survived, on Portugal named has Knights of Christh. They made the portuguese navy and exploration in to India and Brazil

[@JoshuaRoberts333]

What if Italy didn't betray the Central Powers in WWI

[@charlesnapoleon9070]

It leads to a similar timeline as in Kaiserreich, except Italy being whole, which some territorial gains.

[@ceddosamurai]

5:40 I love how France is just a massive question mark

[@scamlikely3457]

Sounds a science fiction movie

[@BiH1980Sana]

I think the default human position on discrimination is to not discriminate at all and see people as individuals. I remember googling about racism as a kid, trying to figure out why it was a thing. I just couldn't buy that it was due to being different in a meaningless way. Having freedom to think and act for yourself would slowly allow people to naturally come to this viewpoint while having a million government interventions based on race, sex, age, religion etc. just makes us more aware of these things when we shouldn't be aware of them AT ALL. Like if you pass anti discrimination laws and quotas for gingers, imagine what would happen in a few generations? Ginger would be a group with its own identity and "perspective".

[@apocrypha1286]

woww this is very cyberpunk at the end lol

[@wurzel9671]

And also very unrealistic The guy who made this video clearly doesn't know too much about the causes of poverty within the state.

[@puppetmasterey]

Am I the only one that can barely hear the audio even on my TV? Still a great video.

[@seanbeck2381]

No, I have to turn my volume way up, worth it though.

[@gerberjenkinson4963]

A perfect world doesn't exis-

[@geheimnisvollerundbelanglo9396]

you're missing a t there

[@antoniomariamacri7500]

Actually, It is a distopy, Bio Shock made a Very accurate simulation of how An objectivist society

[@fallenknighttyler8695]

1:What if the Uprising in 1991 Iraq overthow Saddam? 2: What if Mexico Won the Mexican-American War? 3:What if America captured Canada in the War of 1812? 4: What if the Zulus won at Rorkes Drift? 5:What if Italy managed to push the British out of Egypt in WW2? 6:What if Sweden defeated Russia in the Great Northern War? 7: What if the Brazilian Empire didnt fall? 8: What if Stalin died/assassinated before WW2? 9: What Korea allowed Japan to pass through their land to China in 1592 without fighting?

[@jacobocorujo6693]

So this is a world where the government is replaced by big business entirely? I see the appeal of freedom and of controlling your own destiny, but it seems you wouldn't really have that much freedom, it would simply be large corporations restricting your freedom rather than a large government.

[@geheimnisvollerundbelanglo9396]

and you don't vote for corporate leadership

[@Mantogods]

47 people realized the maliciousness of this video

[@mccloaker]

I'm a Raleagan fan and a capitalist but even I think this is a weeee overly-optimistic. Upward mobility would grind to a halt as most successful people share patronage and opportunities only with preferred friends and family. State and local governments would become a dog's breakfast of disjointed legal systems. Violent crime and substance abuse would become endemic to those who lacked profitable interests. I foresee an Objectivist America as a kind of industrialized Afghanistan.

[@aq8048]

WHAT IF PRINCE LEOPOLD BECAME KING OF SPAIN PLZ

[@aq8048]

like so he can see

[@Crazael]

I would think that the Objectivists would be very pro civil rights. Since the whole point is that everyone should be free to pursue their own happiness. Having a group, or groups, be systematically and explicitly kept from being able to do that for basically no reason seems to be rather against that.

[@geheimnisvollerundbelanglo9396]

aw, yes, the famously were

[@gabbar51ngh]

Equal opportunities maybe but if you try to force equal outcomes, they would be against it. Good example is affirmative action which they would be against.

[@floydlooney6837]

There are ideologies which make a lot of sense-- at first-- but then it is taken to the Nth degree where it starts to sound cray-zee

[@professorstratego_4972]

Where do you get the sense of craziness in it?

[@Greyspecies9999]

There's this thought i had for a while: What would have happened if Fascist Italy didn't join Germany and never applied the Racial laws? I mean, Jews and gays weren't persecuted that much

[@Edmonton-of2ec]

What if King Amadeo I of Spain never lost the Spanish crown? (Famous for declaring the Spanish people ungovernable after reigning for but two years)

[@rapecel]

One of the greatest misdeeds of the Soviet Union is not their gulags, or various genocides, or their authoritarian-totalitarian dictatorship, but instead the education of Ayn Rand.

[@jasonmuller7551]

could not of said it better myself!😄

[@kimobrien.]

@@jasonmuller7551 Actually she proves what defenders of the revolution have always said that it was a great liberating experience.Without the revolution she would not have had a seat at the University that was closed to women and had the whites trumped she may have died in the terrorist jew hating pogroms of the Black Hundreds. Her followers personal attacks on me as a collectivist only served to get me more interested in Marx's ideas.

[@doronaznible7298]

So this is basically if Sargon got his own nation?

[@richdobbs6595]

Not really. Sargon sees a greater role for government than Objectivists do.

[@geheimnisvollerundbelanglo9396]

Isn't Sargon anti-immigration? How would that work in an objectivist world?

[@justinweber4977]

Is it odd that when I tried reading Ayn Rand in... I think, middle school, the stuff just didn't do anything for me, yet later, reading some of Ditko's attempts to explain his thoughts/personal version(?) Of Objectivism in works like "The Avenging World", it made more of an impression? Maybe the difference in age had something to do with it, I wouldn't doubt it, in fact. And, maybe not the philosophy for me in its purist form either way, but I enjoyed Steve Ditko delving into it more overall.

[@wirelessfiction8636]

Roses are red, I never wrote a story, man I am in love in your alternate history

[@MemeatorMotivatoroftheMemes]

Is it just me, or did Mr. Z seem to put more effort into this one than other scenarios? Do I sense a longing for this system from our overlord?

[@MemeatorMotivatoroftheMemes]

@althist empire oh, that is true...

[@joshuahallam4817]

What if Germany conquered the USSR What if the atomic bomb was never invented and the USSR invaded Japan What if pearl harbor never had happened

[@predatorwatch2064]

You did a bad job explaining why objectivism fails. If everyone’s goal is to rationally dominate others and there’s no government to back anything. Every year would be like if bitcoin crashed and people will join together to create a Commonwealth or government.

[@HAHAHAHAHA477]

"If everyone’s goal is to rationally dominate others" You might want to cite your sources next time An individualist is a man who says: “I will not run anyone’s life-nor let anyone run mine. *I will not rule nor be ruled. I will not be a master nor a slave. I will not sacrifice myself to anyone-nor sacrifice anyone to myself.*” -Ayn Rand

[@Frazier16]

Objectivism is doing what you want without hurting everyone else. Dominating others is hurting them, therefore that cant be Objectivism

[@GelloWello]

@@Frazier16i wonder what happens to people who can’t keep up. The orphans, disabled, and mentally ill of the world, would the ‘success’ of an objectivist philosophy necessarily mean their elimination? This is why everyone outside of objectivism views it as an ideology of selfishness. You will necessarily leave others behind. It prescribed wins/losers/undesirables Also what happened if someone’s modus operandi is to dominate others? Doesn’t the whole system just devolve to feudalism or anarchism?

[@isaackellogg3493]

@@GelloWelloRand didn’t oppose charity, she opposed entitled people demanding charity based on their economic failure-when they were fully capable but too self-important to try.

[@NeoNero83]

Helping the less fortunate in my community through charitable actions because I want to live in a better community is ultimately a selfish and self-serving act, but the act in turn helps others.

[@lynn-chan6937]

Very interesting concept, great video as always Monsieur Z

[@bullmoosemedia]

"If you give people nothing, they will come for everything." - Me...unless someone else said it first. LOL

[@samjudge1240]

Remind me to get one of her books.

[@vova-l]

Sam Judge You better not forget to get some of those books!

[@DreamlessSleepwalker]

There's a rape scene in The Fountainhead.

[@samjudge1240]

@@DreamlessSleepwalker Ah I see.

[@savsmaster4183]

I have to read one of her books as well because they seem interesting. You probably watch PragerU like me as well.

[@samjudge1240]

@@savsmaster4183 Yes but it's rucka Rucka Ali that got me to her books.

[@mackmaster100]

I am very glad this cold ideology never took hold.

[@jamesricker3997]

The scary thing is there are a lot of objectivists in the upper ranks of the Republican party.

[@professorstratego_4972]

James Ricker that’s very wrong Mr

[@professorstratego_4972]

MACK read her fiction at analyze her characters they have a 100x times more emotion and life in them then non objectivist heroes.

[@theunclave6558]

I kinda agree with objectivism

[@stormryder4fr3]

read her books and like her ideas, wish it would have taken root.

[@geheimnisvollerundbelanglo9396]

materially impossible: there is no class with a material interest in collectivism

[@gabbar51ngh]

Objectivists need to write more books, extending her philosophy, ideas and then fight for it politically. If possible put more objectivist literature. That's how socialists spread their ideology. Socialism created so nany offshoots and expanded overtime. Objectivism never did much.

[@cjbaynas]

Utopia is dystopia.

[@bearlogg7974]

Objectivism needs to bang absurdism after being spiked with modern psychology

[@Nicholas-gv8ok]

could you do what if brain Boru and his son and grandson didn't die at the battle of clontarf and they established a permanent kingdom

[@Alexis-of-aldmeris]

No gods, no kings. Only man

[@no2party]

What if Japan and the US entered WW2 as allies against Germany and Russia?

[@johngalt8862]

Who is John Galt?

[@Chunkhead]

Oh, what could have been... I am so sad for what we have become after seeing this.

[@VVeremoose]

Were it not for abortion, this would basically be how the parties broken down today

[@Nightshift10000]

Objectivism has yet to succeed, the ideas that encompass Objectivism are becoming very popular & in the last few years we’ve seen ideologies that use objectivist ideas gain a lot of ground. Ayn Rand herself even wanted it to be gradual so it would be more deeply engrained in the minds & hearts of the people that were supposed to accept it, & it’s still moving people & society towards a more objectivist world.

[@tankgod8833]

What if Allende Remained President of Chile?

[@GrimFaceHunter]

It would be just another Cuba, or worse.

[@tankgod8833]

@@GrimFaceHunter Cuba was fucking dope tho until the revisionists ruined it as they always do

[@OldCapitalComics]

is it just me or is the audio really low volume?

[@lukamilenkovic9578]

The reason this ideology never rose is because the desire to help the other is natural. Oh, and can you do a video on what if vampire's were real.

[@morecopemorerope4372]

Exactly humans are a social creature

[@morecopemorerope4372]

Exactly humans are a social creature

[@gabbar51ngh]

You can help each other through voluntarism though. This ideology never Rose because it restricts government's overreach and minimises bureaucracy.

[@shinobiighost6946]

Kind of funny the scenario you put out in the end is exactly what is going on right now. Except we still have all the safety nets in place and it isn't doing anything.

[@ExistenceUniversity]

Wow this wasn't a strawman attack! Thats gold in itself.

[@Talesofaweedsmoker]

A fellow individualist and libertarian here this I agree with this 100% I wish this world came to fruition.

[@caztheretard4714]

So basically Egoist capitalism

[@kurtschelzig]

Nazbol Gang egoism is based in the idea that the idea of ownership is a “spook” and should be eliminated

[@caztheretard4714]

@@kurtschelzig bruh I'm taking about the extremist individualism why do you think I added capitalism to the end?

[@kurtschelzig]

Nazbol Gang even extremist egoism is not inherently capitalist. In fact, objectivism and egoism are mutually exclusive. According to stiner capitalism is a spook

[@caztheretard4714]

@@kurtschelzig I know, you really didn't get the point, did you?

[@danielkelly2210]

Objectivism is just as against human nature as the Communism/Socialism that they hate.

[@LucretianObjectivist]

That depends on what you have come to regard as "Human" nature. In a sense, it reveals what one regards as a value. "Numberless are the world's wonders, but none more wonderful than Man" is the Objectivist attitude.

[@alexer52]

That is the most objectively true statement I've ever seen

[@danishdude6750]

Science is objectivism until it gets political. Then it's all about social constructivism, which is totally subjective. No thanks

[@xiiir838]

Care to explain why?

[@alaskaball188]

So Anarcho-Capitalisim with extra steps?

[@vaporwavevocap]

Rand was very much not an Anarcho-Capitalist, she despised Anarcho-Capitalism, although Anarcho-Capitalism was heavily inspired by her ideology, Rothbard himself was often in dispute against Rand.

[@kevinbourke1847]

Andrew Ryan president of USA

[@francogiobbimontesanti3826]

This was probably the best video you made, so much details

[@zeta3684]

Yo, just sayin’; you make fantastic flags

[@Boulderlizard]

This has been my favorite video so far

[@thelifeofcal7193]

what the hell now i love Goldwater now

[@bluchickenstudios9957]

Sounds a bit like Rapture from BioShock

[@TheAfrodrum]

Objectivism Succeeded

[@Dietsch_]

What if Dutch-French relations never got worse in the mid 17th century

[@jakepearce4949]

Wow, a non-objectivist describing objectivism on accurate and fair terms? What is this wizzardry?!

[@brisloviayt829]

What if the Mongol Empire successfully conquered Japan?

[@fluggenn]

What if the 1848 Hungarian revolution succeded?

[@purpledevilr7463]

Imagine the arrogance you need to name your ideology Objectivism.

[@ajo5311]

What if Fascism continued to thrive

[@Kasadoll]

No social parasites? That's exactly what landlords and the owner class are

[@gabbar51ngh]

That's what socialists are.

[@jorehir]

I don't think that recognizing the egoistic nature of mankind brings to a refusal of social politics. Taking care of the society will bring direct advantages to you, thus satisfying your egoistic nature. Who would want to live in an extremely unqeual and chaotic world? Who would feel unmoved looking at people's sufferings? Extreme capitalism and individualism are NOT the implications of objectivism.

[@geheimnisvollerundbelanglo9396]

Objectivism (as referred to by rand ) is not merely the belief in man's egoistic nature (which was literally shared by marx), it's a very specific set of specific beliefs, among which actually is radical capitalism.