What If Pretrib is Wrong?

[@DS-ll5fn]

Thank you Lee for your teaching. It helps a lot. I came to the same conclusions like you concerning the pretrib rapture, not by listening to different teachers but by reading my Bible. I read different Bible translations in 5 different languages. I speak 7 languages, 5 of them very good. Studying the Word by yourself and with the help of the Holy Spirit it will open our eyes. Greetings, Love and Blessings from Sweden 🇸🇪

[@wandertree]

Completely agree with this.

[@beth6795]

I believe the rapture is not only for saving us from Gods wrath BUT ALSO for those left behind who heard of the rapture and didnt believe it and now they are full on board with Jesus during the tribulation. God uses all of it for His good will and purpose. He is a good good God who loves ALLL of us!!

[@Sealofgod7]

WRONG

[@sammcrae8892]

Absolutely correct Beth! If nothing else, when you read the book of Revelation, it is full of WAKEUP calls for those who haven't figured it out yet. The two witnesses, angels flying around declaring the Gospel, 144,000 signed and sealed evangelists, etc. I can't think of anything that could shake up the everyday person that doesn't have a clue about God, Jesus Christ, or what is really going on in this world than to have a large number of people (that would be us Christian troublemakers) suddenly disappear and provide a tangible display of the Power and Glory of God to the unbelieving world! I don't understand those who say that if the rapture is not pre-tribulation that it will cause those who believe in it to "fall away," and lose their faith, because if it's wrong, I think that we will realize that we just need to reevaluate our reading of prophecy and start stocking up on stuff to help us hunker down to get through the end times. I know that some of us have been doing that (stocking up) for quite a while. After all, if we wind up not needing it, someone else will definitely be grateful to find it! (Hopefully, good guys and gals!) May God richly bless you and keep you and your family! 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏

[@sammcrae8892]

​@@Sealofgod7Don't be a Poot Kris. It's uncharitable. 🙏✝️🙏

[@SpencerLionheart-l9p]

The rapture is at the LAST trump

[@evertbakker5307]

Yes, i think the same, have you noticed how many and how strong many go against the blessed hope?

[@amysindel9726]

Every day that goes by is a day closer to going Home🙏🏻 Be ready🙏🏻💜

[@michellekennedy6382]

Be strong and courageous.

[@joneseskid2326]

Amen. Keeping our eyes on Yeshua and refusing to be of this cess pit of a world.

[@ErockHen]

This is your wheelhouse and I am so thankful for you brother Lee. You have a way of erasing all doubt for me. We serve an awesome and amazing God in Christ Jesus

[@cassandrajaudon9188]

Lee, thank you for this video. Just hearing the scripture reassures me that no matter what happens in this world, we need not fear!! I believe in the pre-trib rapture and pray for discernment in all things. I’m standing on His Word!! Thanks again for the reminder!

[@JesseMgala]

If pre-trib rapture is wrong, nothing to worry for true believers, since their names are written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb. Just persevere and be an overcomer by the blood of the Lamb, by the word of our testimony and by not loving our Iives.

[@lindag9975]

Simple answer is that if it's wrong, we will quickly know if the foretold events begin to occur and we are still here.

[@rofishy2]

Especially when two angles show up warning against the mark, and preaching the eternal gospel to us, what gets me is the post tribbers and the other groups don’t listen to God’s word so much so it’s as if they don’t even believe the angles and prophets arrive during the seventieth week.

[@sammcrae8892]

Exactly.

[@Jacqui9]

People wake up! They are happening before our very eyes...😢

[@Bax60]

​@rofishy2 l believe that they will And I also believe many will turn to God as people often do when extremely hard times present themselves .But I do not believe the scripture supports a pretribulation rapture .Jesus is coming back one more time ,not twice .There isn't going to be a rapture where Jesus shows up and the left behind think the aliens snatched people away like many in the rapture club discribe, that's not biblical ethier.We will wait and see what happens. But nobody knows when God will send his son .And nobody continues to prove that more than the pretrib rapture watchmen on KZbin do

[@Jameski07]

@@rofishy2they will have likely allegorized revelation to come their conclusions.

[@chris55068]

My wife was saved from addiction by a visitation from God 2015. She is now teaching 12 steps bible based recovery program for people with addictions

[@Bax60]

How can there be a 12 step Bible based recovery program when the 12 step program is based on the big book of alcoholics anonymous which clearly states that anything can be your God ? Or higher power as they like to call it ? Satan is the God of 12 step by default .The Bible and the big book definately do not go together in any kind of way .

[@Bax60]

12 step teaches that anything can be your God ,which they refer to as a higher power .

[@Isa7845]

I love learning. I’m not a teacher nor a preacher.So I appreciate Lee Brainard . The longer I live, the more aware I am that I know not much about everything.

[@loripollitt8437]

What an encouraging teaching! Thank you! I didn't watch during the live stream, but started around midnight and couldn't stop watching until the very end. God is so good, He's worthy of our complete trust. I love your reminder of how the Lord knew exactly what He was investing in when He purchased us and your analogy of speed bumps! Thanks, again. Maranatha!

[@abuch963]

Thanks for this thought excercise. I am with you. I can not possibly think the pretrib position is incorrect. Maranatha.

[@LuluVilla-i3k]

Thank you dear brother for your patience in discerning the pre-tribulation rapture, our wonderful hope 🙏🏻 God bless

[@smilesmile7330]

This was a fun live stream! Thank you moderators and pastor Lee ✝️🎺💫

[@notovercome]

As usual a great teaching and i plan on listening to this again. Thank you my very distant relative.

[@grandmalorna9884]

This will be very helpful for those left behind after the pretrib rapture. It is advice on how to live for Christ for those who become saved during the trub.

[@alltoJesus1]

I have run into so much hostility and smugness from the different camps that are not pretrib. A combative spirit.

[@monabo1]

Yes very angry folks

[@Run8nova-f4b]

What about that mirror this morning??😮

[@bobbiescales3949]

My daughter looks at me very sad like....

[@alltoJesus1]

@Run8nova-f4b I have a sister that is so difficult with me. I try not to bring tribulation conversation up. She gives me the long version every time of what she believes. I'm not troubled by what she believes. Nor am I troubled by what any one else believes on the topic. I would be relieved if people would not be harsh about different thoughts on issues that have no impact on a persons salvation.

[@alltoJesus1]

@GoatheadStickerToe you laugh! You've obvious not been subject to someone who repeats their stories in a novel format!

[@Am-Yisrael-Chai-07]

I love this ministry!! Thank you soo much brother Lee, for your awesome ministry! Thank you for informing the uninformed! God bless you and your dear family, beyond measure! Maranatha!

[@susanc3475]

This was such an encouraging message! Thank you for your faithful teachings!

[@ConsecratedtoGod]

The pretrib rapture is so clear and I'm amazed at how much of the Lords mercy is displayed throughout Revelation. It makes no sense to believe that we will be here for yhe wrath of God and you have to ignore the verses that clearly say that we are saved from the wrath and caught up! What an Awsome God we serve ❤❤

[@wandertree]

This is exactly right. Praise God!

[@colletteblanchard4339]

Thank you, Lee!

[@stacysmith8723]

Such wonderful teaching 💖

[@carlasmith7777]

It will be a very special moment when we receive from Jesus our imperishable bodies of eternal life, and also when we reach heaven with him, listening to him read the Gospels, halleluyah💗

[@joliemitchell-witt7104]

Amen, Lee! That was my line of thinking in the “ even if “ pre- trib is not true and we see the rise of the AC that God is able and my attitude should be like that of shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego when up against King Nebby;Our God is able to deliver, BUT IF NOT, we won’t bow down. That’s what I have thought about anyhow and I’m so glad to hear you are thinking along those lines as well,brother and fellow NDer😉 Sure love and appreciate your wisdom of the scriptures. The Lord bless you!

[@justtruth8281]

Well done again Lee‼️keep them coming.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙌🏻

[@monabo1]

"Put this one in your thinker and think about it" - Lee Brainard Hehehe love your little "Lee-isms"

[@SouthernCaliforniaGardening]

whenever I come across, someone saying, we’ll have to go through the tribulation and they absolutely do not agree with a pre-trip viewpoint then I just tell them whatever we have to go through the Lord will get us through.

[@Rain-yf6bf]

There may indeed be a penalty for those who taught false prophesy in the end times.

[@evertbakker5307]

Only if they do it on purpose do

[@Rain-yf6bf]

@@evertbakker5307 To me that's kind of like saying I pick up a loaded gun and don't check it ,I play around and it goes off and kills my neighbor next door ...I didn't mean to I tell the cops ...I'm going in handcuffs anyway .These watchmen know that they have been wrong with thier speculation over and over again .And they refuse to stop doing it.l know, maybe not all of them .Lee likes to.point out he never sets dates ...but he has said rapture soon since I have been aware of him ,soon is a timeframe ,and soon has to have an expiration date .And I'm pretty sure he was on board with the may 14th 2021 fig tree generation nonsense as well .The parable of the fig tree has absolutely nothing to do with Israel becoming a nation in 1948 .Which btw ,was funded by the Rothschild family, in case people here didn't know this .

[@marleinsteinmetz5056]

​@@Rain-yf6bfso capn obvious, what is your point rain person? You dont believe in doctrine of imminency and we do, we wont know for sure till it happens or doesnt, why do you care what we believe?

[@danielb.1567]

the whole episode was fantastic and the Q and A was a blessing, thank you brother Lee for doing it!

[@Ozsmouse]

Thank you so much, Lee! ❤️🙏 Laura

[@twospot7Seven]

Thank you Lee. Great study. Enjoyed it.

[@AldoSchmedack]

Thank you, Lee! I feel we will be home before we know it! Hope to sit at meal with you up there and talk in person finally! Haven't forgotten your emails. I need to open and read and have been super busy @Soothkeep . Lots of new faces, great to meet new folks in chat! Had a blast!

[@Soothkeep]

Hey bro. Some folks said they had audio issues again. Did you have audio issues?

[@Hannelore7]

@@Soothkeep Lee I am rewatching the stream now..its really ok..if you listen to it its not bad..at the end of stream it started to seem a bit off with a in and out fade.

[@beth6795]

👏👏👏👏👏👏 What a great perspective brother. Affirms all the more our belief in a pretrib rapture. Well done brother

[@heinzpilot]

Rock on brother Lee! This is an awesome video! 😎

[@loreneholmesrule8327]

Thank you. Bro Lee your message taught me several new things. May God bless and protect you.

[@joneseskid2326]

My spirit, soul and body belong to Yeshua. This sewer of a world is passing away. I believe in the pre trib position but if it weren't so, do I seriously want to hold on to this place during the tribulation? Nope! It's either Harpazo and glory or dying for my Lord and glory. We love not our lives unto death and we know that we belong to the ulimate victor, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.

[@beth6795]

For to me to live is Christ, to die is GAIN

[@kkyler9582]

I believe PreTrib is accurate Biblical doctrine. That being said, I also believe the rapture will be a rescue mission for the church right before things get really bad and dark. Very similar to Noah before the flood.

[@marleinsteinmetz5056]

Me too, jesus promises us escape, if escape isnt to heaven then where? Jesus hires ubers to take us all to club med? 😅

[@Longstorie]

Awesome session tonight! Thank you all ❤️

[@terilaney4347]

Hi Brother Lee, I absolutely love and appreciate this video. Around 2015 I started thinking about being able to give my life for Jesus, would I be able to do that if I was confronted with this situation,when I talked to God about this question I immediately heard him speak to me. This is what he said, IF he requested that of me, he would give me the strength to give my life. I believe that when this is requested of people,God gives them the strength they need and he is always with them. Thank you for this teaching, it confirms what God spoke to my heart years ago, before all this absolute craziness started, looking forward to experiencing the fulfilling of God's word and being in his presence and protection forever. Can't wait to meet you and the rest of God's family, what a glorious day to look forward to. God Bless You Brother Lee ♥️

[@smilesmile7330]

I’ll take pastor Lee’s Scripturally accurate wet blanket over anyone’s shaky theory anyday

[@michaelklaus3633]

follow Lee then, Ill follow Jesus Christ

[@smilesmile7330]

@@michaelklaus3633 hey brother! Actually I said “SCRIPTURALLY” accurate. So I follow Lee bc he follows the SCRIPTURES. Like Paul said: Follow me as long as I follow Christ. Because God has appointed shepherds to guide His flock. Blessings and Maranatha!

[@wandertree]

@@michaelklaus3633 The Christian follows Jesus. Lee is following Jesus. Thankful for solid teachers like Lee, but I always check all things on Scripture. Straw man arguments are disrespectful and silly.

[@Winston-xh6xn]

He is not a pastor

[@smilesmile7330]

@@wandertreefor sure and he definitely encourages everyone to trust in the scriptures, he never points to himself

[@922dwj]

So enjoyable to gain more Bible knowledge from Pastor Lee.

[@Soothkeep]

Hey brother!

[@RonKris]

Praise Jesus! When my sins were forgiven, ALL my sins were forgiven, past, present, and future. "O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God-through Jesus Christ our Lord!" Hallelujah!! So do I just 'get away' with sin? NO! But I do not lose my Salvation! " For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find"

[@beth6795]

Great verses brother. Thank you

[@ryanblack3396]

Thank You ! Great message brother

[@monabo1]

God bless you and yours Lee. Love you.

[@seanheaning7519]

Thank you Lee!

[@FaithInTheFire777]

WHAT AN EXCELLENT TEACHING!!!!

[@JoyinthisDarkness]

Thank you so much, Brother Lee! 🙌🏼

[@dfoster4234]

Well this oughta be good. Sorry I missed the live feed. I’ll check in tomorrow but no it’s not wrong. I pray to God it’s not wrong.

[@AldoSchmedack]

Exactly what we all said and Lee too!

[@jamanne2504]

@@AldoSchmedackAMEN which means So Be It Thanks be to GOD and For You and Your Ministry ❤✝️🙏📖🛐

[@tinawise168]

Thankyou Lee for great encouragement.

[@craigmartinj]

If its wrong then please bring on the mark already so I can stand in the "no" line, lose my head, and gain my white robe.

[@LEGIOUSIAM888]

😳...

[@wandertree]

Amen!

[@wandertree]

@@LEGIOUSIAM888 Completely agree with the OP! If it's wrong, which it's not lol, let's get this show on the road. PreTribbers aren't afraid of facing the Tribulation, though it will be terrible for sure. We just know we won't be facing the Tribulation.

[@LEGIOUSIAM888]

@@wandertree oh ok...then you must be facing Disneyland right now 🤔

[@RyanC3377]

Amen Brother! Win win!

[@Jacques.Smith_]

If I am wrong, I'm headed to Petra.

[@marleinsteinmetz5056]

Good point

[@andys208]

More confident of the pre trib than ever 🎉

[@christian4ever1962]

In 1976, when I was 13 years old, I had a wide awake, real, in full color VISION of the Lord's Return... I want to stress, this was NOT a dream. We lived out in the country in the middle of dusty plowed fields, dirt roads and woods in south Georgia. Everything looked kind of brown and crispy, like it needed rain bad. The corn field across the road in front of the house was starting to turn brown and die. I went to my bedroom, which faced out the front side of the house and looked out onto our front yard, which had a semi-circular dirt driveway and beside the left entrance was an old dogwood tree which had to be at least a hundred years old. Highway 341 ran from east to west in front of our house, which faced north, and the cornfield I spoke of earlier was on the other side of the highway. There was a slight rise in the middle of this field and you could not see the trees on the other side, so it looked like an ocean of corn that went off into the horizon. As I lay across my bed looking out the window, contemplating what I saw before me, I began to hear music in the distance. I specifically heard it in my right ear and the direction from which it came made me think of the high school band which practiced several miles southeast from where I lived. When conditions were right we could hear the band playing, but usually only heard the faint beat of drums. This sounded like trumpets and as I was thinking this to myself, I began to notice the music getting louder and louder, coming closer and closer, very quickly. Within a few seconds the sound wasn't just something that was exterior, but it was inside my head as well, reverberating throughout my entire body. It was so loud and it sounded like lightning crashed directly over my head and, in that split second, the trumpet sound thundered throughout my body and throughout the entire world...everything went dark and my bed and the earth shook violently. In a flash, I was no longer lying on my bed, but I was standing outside my bedroom window in the front yard and I beheld the scene in front of me with tremendous awe. It was still my front yard, only now everything was different. It seemed as if my entire range of vision was a huge 3D movie screen and I was in the middle of it. The trumpets continued to sound and I saw that the blue, sunny sky had turned black and the clouds churned and the wind blew with a violence that I had never experienced. The corn field was now a sea of wheat that was golden brown and ripe for harvest and I could see every stalk of wheat individually, billions of them. And I watched as the wind thrashed the wheat until it was beaten down by the storm. I now know that the Bible speaks several times about, in the end time, when the wheat is ripe for harvest, how the wheat will be separated from the tares. The tares are gathered and bundled together for burning and the wheat is gathered into the barn. Then I noticed the dogwood tree. It was mid-July, so of course I know there should not have been any blossoms on it, they usually bloom around Easter...but the tree was in full bloom. I had never seen anything like this. You couldn't see any leaves on the tree because of the millions of dogwood blossoms. It looked as if it were lit from within, by a glowing whitest of white, neon light and it glowed gloriously against the darkened sky. Now, I know the Bible says no man knows the day nor hour that Jesus will return, but if we watch for the signs, we can know the season. I have always felt that He might come back in the spring when the dogwood tree is in bloom. Of all the things that could have been highlighted in a vision; why the dogwood tree? I believe there is a specific message here. (Update: recently, I prayed about this and I feel the Lord placed into my spirit that this represents the fullness of the gentiles coming in). Just as I was taking all of this in, lightning filled the sky and the trumpets thundered over head again and in an instant there appeared two angels. They were dressed in white robes, facing each other up in the air and blowing golden trumpets. They were huge and filled the sky in front of me and I knew that the entire world must be seeing this as well. When I say huge, I mean like the size of the highest mountains, literally. I didn't think the trumpets could get any louder, but they grew louder still, building to a great crescendo and I heard a great shout that was louder than anything that you could imagine. And with that shout, it's as if the earth fell silent, the black, violent clouds began to roll back onto themselves from the center of the northeastern sky and I saw light in the distance. It was more a combination of light and clearing of the clouds in the distance that got my attention. As I looked up at this shaft of light and clearing sky, I saw what seemed to be fluttering and movement in the distance. As it came into view, I saw Jesus on a white horse and behind him were millions of angels and saints on white horses. It was at this moment, when I realized what I was seeing, that it disappeared and I was back in my room lying on my bed. Everything was back to normal and I was again looking out at a bright, sunny day.

[@loriecoffin7049]

I also had an open VISION, not a dream, about fifteen years ago. I was reading in my bed in the evening. Suddenly, a pinpoint of light came in off my right window and opened up into a 3D movie screen on my wall. I saw a map of the Red Sea and an explosion happening at the straight, like two aircraft colliding. This triggered a larger conflict and I saw a very large oil slick spreading. Then I saw a table at the end of my bed. My husband and I were having a normal dinner. Scene changed again and I WAS a STALK of WHEAT. A strong wind blew and I swayed in the wind, along with many other stalks of wheat in a field. I FELT the wind. I was not afraid but very peacefully enduring it. I KNEW it was the harvest. The movie screen then collapsed into a pinprick of light and was gone. I was aware and awake the whole time and amazed. I had to share it because it was somewhat similar to yours with the wheat. An open vision is something you do not forget.

[@jacksongary8656]

I was 14- 15 yrs in 1976 and have traveled Hwy 341 many times growing up in WR......been in N Ga mtns since '96. Thanks for sharing..... Maranatha.

[@Jameski07]

Before you even mentioned 341 when you described what the area looked like I instantly thought somewhere down 341 most likely. We drive it when we go to Jekyll island or that side of Florida so I know it well. Funny, the other commenter on your story now lives in the north ga mountains where I grew up but I now live in Warner Robins because of the military.anyway, Maranatha amen

[@jacksongary8656]

@@Jameski07 Love it up here in White County now. WR was much smaller then when Dad was civil service at RAFB and growing up there was pretty special.......it was good to hear of the descriptive dream/vision that the Lord bestowed on the young South Ga. girl. God is Good. I pray God's blessing and protection over you and yours....... until the day of redemption. Titus 2:11-13.

[@christian4ever1962]

@@loriecoffin7049 Thank you for sharing... the wheat harvest in my vision was very clear, rough times are ahead...

[@foxiefair123]

If it ended up that we were wrong, then we would just have to push through and not lose our hope and faith, and eventually we would still inherit the Kingdom, it would just be a rougher road to get there. But we’re not.😂

[@MarvinAutry933]

If it ends up that these watchmen ,dreamers ,and Bible teachers were wrong about the pretribulation rapture, then they will have to answer for being false teachers for leading many many people estray in the end times. Those that followed them better turn around and repent very quickly or they too will likely share in the punishment.

[@777Iwish]

Great content, truth supported by legitimate biblical argument, thank you

[@charlesowen777]

Blessings and sweet sleep, Bro.Lee. Only The Fear of The Lord, Prov. 9:10-(Amp)., is what we stand on.

[@jesusisourhope2023]

Thank you for doing this Lee! It seems like pretrib view is under huge attack lately. Yesterday I watched a channel where there was this man who made a 15 long video apologizing that he had taught pretrib. He looked so sad and scared. He was afraid that he was going against Scripture. I felt so sorry for him. I think many are getting confused because we see a preview of what's to come. This video was right on time. ❤

[@wandertree]

So strange! People can be so weak-minded and prone to follow trends. We need to stand strong on Scripture and the leading of the Holy Spirit, even if everyone else forsakes truth!

[@megord-hume8723]

Hello Lee, from the UK. I love your messages, and have your new book on my kindle. Loving it! May I encourage anyone who might be fearful to read the testimonies of countless Christians through the ages, who were imprisoned, persecuted or killed for their faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. What about the early Christians? The Scottish Covenanters, Tyndale, Jan Hus and many others from the Reformation. Then, the amazing testimonies from Richard Wurmbrand in post WW2? And even earlier...think of the response from Shadrach Meshak and Abednego to King Nebuchadnezzar? And Daniel in the lions den? They all loved the LORD more than their lives. I am a 75yr old woman, weak and feeble...BUT I know the LORD God is able to protect, enable and strengthen ALL who truly trust in Him whatever happens. I too don't question the pre trib rapture, BUT...have considered that there is absolutely nothing to fear if I'm wrong!. Our dear Saviour is with ALL of His precious children and we know He is ALL powerful. Hallelujah!

[@beth6795]

Amen sister. God bless you and I'm looking forward to meeting you, hopefully very very soon❤🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@wandertree]

Amen.

[@vincec727]

Great 2 hours Lee!

[@monabo1]

I love your stories as well

[@heidihuyghebaert1810]

Thank you so much for your teachings. Greetings from Belgium

[@thedayisathand726]

On the mark of the Beast: I theorize that taking the mark will kill your soul, and replace it with an A.I. generated personality in a still-living body. This explains why there's no chance of salvation after taking it, and no true Christian would take it because worship of the Beast is prerequisite.

[@wazzzup2536]

remember The words of Abraham when Lot was about to be destroyed with the inhabitants of Sodom - 10:02 Gen.18:23 -“ And Abraham came near and said ‘Suppose there were 50 righteous within the city ; would you the righteous with the wicked? …………… .v. 25 -“far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous Should be as the wicked; far be it from You! shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?’”. Remember “we are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.”

[@kwpctek9190]

PTL! Good to see mic gain saturation is now control. I encourage those working on audio settings to discover the leftover issue of cut- in-cut-outs always preceding post silence. Some noise filter and/or compressor settings will mute audio when you're saying nothing to save data. You don't need this turned on and it only offers minor savings anyway. The spoken Word must take precedent so *re-listen and make test adjustments* until these post silence abrupt volume changes subside. God bless brother and keep on keeping on!🥰

[@roberthodge9506]

God bless you my brother Lee! Your spirit led teaching has confirmed what I have believed from many years of scripture studies and spirit filled teaching from brothers such as Ken Johnson,and many others. The word became flesh and dwelt among us! The gift of discerning of spirits is one of many gifts that Christ Jesus gives us once born again in Christ. Jesus! the way,the Truth.the Life! We are His bride! The wedding chambers are built! Waiting for the Trump and being perfected in an instant!

[@beth6795]

This is a true statement, discerning the spirits. In 2021 my root wasn't very deep and I fell into new age junk. I followed any spirit that tickled my ear. My husband prayed for me and God never gave up on Me. I awoke in August 2022 and since then, I can discern a good Spirit from a bad one. What a gift God has given me. The Holy Spirit even convicts me when I listen to too much youtube. He says, "that's enough now, will listening to that benefit your walk"? And I immediately shut it down. I am blessed beyond what I deserve!! See you soon and thank you for your comment

[@john1349]

Ken Johnson’s Dead Sea Scroll calendar is getting hard to ignore. According to it, the final 50 year period of the age of grace starts in 2025. And a lot of prophetic events tend to happen in that 50 year period. Note that Jesus came early in that cycle before. Things should start moving faster coming up.

[@jlock9085]

I mean if the Essenes really taught this thousands of years ago then that's impressive. It's almost a certainty Christ is returning in the next 50 years. If you take the 2520 year cycles into consideration it gets even more interesting. Take the decree of artaxerses in 444/445bc and add 2520 years and you get 2075AD. Does that mean anything? Idk. Use 360 day years instead and you come to 2039AD. Idk i think evidence suggests the millenium begins in the 2030s.

[@mojavebohemian814]

Thank you

[@evertbakker5307]

Thank you for this topic, honestly i went tru the comments first and a thought came to mind. If and then IF we wake up in the tribulation a doctrine was mabye understood wrong but the fact that the Antichrist came on the cene confurms revelation and then we know we have to stand strong in the faith and that will mean we will be killed anyway (if not already by all the wrath thrown on the earth) Lately the mocking on pre trib is from the roof, looks like a other confirmation to me

[@ShaunHopkins-l4i]

God will give you what you want. If you don't want to go when believers are raptured, then you will stay here. God will see to it.

[@wandertree]

I'm not sure that is true. There will probably be born-again believers who aren't looking for and don't believe in the Rapture, and who like their current lives and wouldn't want the disruption. If they are born again, they will go up in the Rapture. They will be sanctified and have their new bodies, and they will be perfectly happy to be so! Maybe they'll have to get over the shock of not being accurate in their beliefs/desires. :)

[@Lee-de2wl]

What would be Yahwehs purpose in leaving His Bride here to experience His fierce wrath against sin? What purpose the 144,000 and the two witnesses plus this angel Revelation 14:6 ESV Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. Aren’t they preaching the gospel because there’s no one else to do it?

[@wandertree]

Yep!

[@angelikaploch5222]

Thank you so much for this great hope confidence

[@dwrutsgnt4225]

Eventually I’ll die and get to heaven, as we know this evil place isn’t our home, I’m tired of living in sin and I fall short of God’s glory, I believe in the with all my heart and confess Jesus is my king and savior

[@sandraresides9063]

Thanks

[@countrydarlin8212]

So much hostility toward the pre-trib view. I noticed the other tribulation views have grown as the church has become a breeding ground of falsehood. Both have happened at the same time. Same trajectory. If the Scripture wasn't enough proof--and it is--then that fact would solidify it for me.

[@marleinsteinmetz5056]

Good point, and why the increase in venom and hostiliy from these people? I think they are angry at God, but they cant take it out onGod so they attack us!

[@ronnilynn8750]

i'm so glad you cover this cause i hear all y'all back peddling

[@caddymac6917]

just a question, who is all y'all . just asking so I will know for myself who you speak of. thanks

[@DJ_Kruz]

Since this earth has many thousand acres of uninhabited land & could hold multi-millions more people, when & why do you think God has made the decision that a certain number is enough people for the earth & kingdom of heaven forevermore ?

[@Winston-xh6xn]

He doesn't know what God has decided about anything. His celebrity status is the rapture club circuit is going to his head .

[@marleinsteinmetz5056]

​@@Winston-xh6xnhe is a scholar,winston is an armchair keyboard wannabe..

[@thetruerock9564]

I was post trib for 20 years, it wasn’t until i was truly reborn that discovered the truth of the pre-trib rapture. When i was post trib i was scared that if i became pre that i would accept the Antichrist. I now know that is simply ridiculous. I also thought that pre trib people didn’t know their Bible. I now know that is also far from the truth. I was thought as post trib that pre trib was founded by Darby but know pre was being taught by church fathers after Christ.

[@marleinsteinmetz5056]

Yes post trib club has become a cult

[@Tennessee.B.]

Why would you be scared if you found out the pre trib rapture wasn't true - is that the only thing that gives Christians hope? Is it because you might have to suffer for Christ? What about death whether old age, accident, etc...Jesus said those who remain to the end shall be saved

[@bobw4941]

It seems to me those who oppose pre trib have a deficient soteriology. They don’t believe they have the righteousness of Jesus or they believe they must “suffer” the Tribulation in order to be “purified”…as if the precious blood of Jesus isn’t enough? Kind of a purgatory if you will. Replacement theology has done much to deceive the “church” into thinking they are the new Israel.

[@Rain-yf6bf]

That's not true .They just interpret the scripture differently than you do .Especially Rev 3:10 for example

[@rofishy2]

Especially when two angles show up warning against the mark, and preaching the eternal gospel to us, what gets me is the post tribbers and the other groups don’t listen to God’s word so much so it’s as if they don’t even believe the angles and prophets arrive during the seventieth week.

[@riversidemike1]

I already figure on it. The reapture could be and may not be. Im prepared to lose my dome . The Lord i serve knows best and will treat us as His children.

[@tonyeaton671]

The problem with post trib pre wrathers seventh day Adventist preterist and amillenniast have is they all follow replacement theology and works salvation. They dont descern the difference between israel and the church they dont descern the difference between church saints and tribulation saints they dont descern the difference between jesus and angels and they dont descern the difference between what tribulation is and what the seven year tribulation period is.

[@timothyholmes-jx2jj]

Today is a perfect day for a rapture

[@allanrandall52]

I am solid on P.T also, i alawys been dispensation, rightly dividing and know the 7 mysteries given to Paul from Christ is for the church age and rev 4&5 is solid doctrine on P.T , not to mention 2Thes 2 or all the typology in the OT, also kjv I know translate right. and my hermanutic is literal, with that you have to be P.T love u guys!

[@sandraw5085]

I always tell people that they will know the Real Jesus only one way.....when they rise to meet Him in the clouds!

[@Jacubamustoff]

Jesus suffered for us- I will gladly suffer for Him.

[@crystalbell112]

So you can endure God's wrath?

[@wandertree]

@@crystalbell112 The born-again believer will never endure God's wrath. However, we may have to endure Satan's hatred and mankind's hatred because of Jesus. That we endure through the strength imparted to us in the Holy Spirit. God promises not to forsake us.

[@gracetou8963]

No one with the Holy Spirit ,because Jesus is their savior through accepting HIS finished work at the cross where he suffered ,shed his blood for Our sins ,died and rose again on the third day1Corinthians 15;1-4.. The Great Tribulation is about those who Did not accept Jesus Christ as savior , he opens the seals.

[@Soothkeep]

But men will be saved in the tribulation by believing on Jesus.

[@gracetou8963]

@@Soothkeep Yes but those washed in the blood of the Lamb are clearly in heaven before the Lamb opens the first seal Revelation 5 clearly shows that. Tribulation saints have to give their own life .

[@Soothkeep]

@@gracetou8963 Tribulation saints face the test of loving not the life unto death. But many Christians have faced the same test. The only grounds of salvation is faith in Christ. The tribulation saints will be under the sound of the same gospel that Christ presented to Israel in the gospels.

[@foxiefair123]

Exactly. The book with the 7 seals is Christ’s inheritance. We are His bride and co-heirs with Him. We are there when He opens it. Also, the scripture says that we are “sealed til the day of redemption.” So that seal is opened as well, so it makes sense that the other ones will follow.

[@gracetou8963]

@@Soothkeep Revelation 13:7 Satan is given the power to overcome them , all who come to Jesus Christ, he could never wipe out the bride of Christ ,in the church age. Those in the 7 year tribulation are not the bride of Christ.

[@smilesmile7330]

Y’all that bug got raptured as Ps Lee was quoting the verse that Jesus will come as a thief in the night…that was just hilarious to me 😂

[@gracetou8963]

2 Thessalonians 2:7 clearly shows the bride of Jesus Christ must be taken out the way for Antichrist to rise to power,

[@MissouriExplorer]

Focusing on the future & worrying about your life and the antichrist is everything the Bible warns us “NOT” to do. Whatsoever things are pure, lovely, of good report; if there be any virtue & if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think on these things. Phil 4:8 You’ll know them by their fruit, those abiding in the Prince of peace & Holy-Comforter spread PEACE & COMFORT, not FEAR & WORRY. Matthew 7:16 The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Galatians 5:22

[@mephi654]

When Paul taught about the events surrounding the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4, he spoke of a resurrection. One that occurs before the end of all things. One where his people are taken to be with him. Isaiah 26:19-21 teaches the same thing. A special resurrection that precedes his people being invited to come to him. A resurrection that PRECEDES the indignation of the Almighty being poured out on the inhabitants of the earth. No matter what you call it: pre-wrath, pre-tribulation, or pre-indignation, he acts to shelter his people BEFORE his wrath is poured out on the inhabitants of the earth. Isaiah answers the question and settles the debate.

[@carolynnunes3922]

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, THAT YE SORROW NOT, EVEN AS OTHERS WHICH HAVE NO HOPE. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Corinthians 15:49-57 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Philippians 3:20-21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21 WHO SHALL CHANGE OUR VILE BODY, THAT IT MAY BE FASHIONED LIKE UNTO HIS GLORIOUS BODY, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things to himself Colossians 3:1-3 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 WHEN CHRIST, WHO IS OUR LIFE, SHALL APPEAR, THEN YE SHALL ALSO APPEAR WITH HIM IN GLORY 2 Corinthians 5:1-8; 17-21 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is Ephesians 5:27-32 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and THEY 2 SHALL BE ONE FLESH. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called. Isaiah 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee. 2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. Revelation 19:7-9 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne 2 Tim4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but UNTO ALL THEM ALSO THAT LOVE HIS APPEARING

[@mknalgas1758]

The believers in the Great Tribulation are the Revelation Saints. These saints come to Christ ìn the Great Tribulation.

[@MrEmeralddog]

Audio was mediocre initially now it’s better so I can tell something isn’t perfectI. I spoke too soon. The audio is cutting out badly and so is the feed itself so they’ll be several seconds between feed and no feed other issues.

[@kwpctek9190]

Yup I heard it too. There remains some settings like a noise gate set too high or compressor threshold setting that they'll have to work on. As time went on, his voice volume got weaker and didn't trip off that noise gate filter. More testing should work out the kinks.

[@cdbcdbzb]

I hope you will soon do a study proving that you cannot loose your salvation. Pre-Wrath people I know try to claim this in support of their theology. I don't care because it doesn't affect their salvation. I do care because they try to destroy my beliefs and it lends to supporting Replacement Theology

[@melaniehughes8909]

I've thought about if it's say, more pre-wrath, then we'd be here to help people to understand what is happening. I've been torn between wanting to help my loved ones see and believe or to be in the presence of Jesus. I obviously want to be with Jesus more than anything but as long as He leaves me here I have more opportunity to reach my loved ones. On the other hand, if there's no rapture until Jesus comes back then you've taken away a HUGE warning to the world. I know people will still have "moses and the prophets" they will still have scripture that they remember being told even if they can't find Bibles, but what a miracle and witness to God's Word and power a rapture will be. I don't get super dogmatic about timing but I know that we will be caught up together with the Lord in the air so that we will always be with the Lord. It WILL happen. Until then we go about the Kings business watching and patiently waiting and longing for His return!!!

[@michellefarrauto1756]

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[@Frank-st6gd]

Proof of A Pre trib Rapture. Pay Attention to the Cloud and Clouds Jesus appears In and With. Acts chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 Cloud. In Red Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming In A Cloud the Rapture. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming With the Clouds when he comes back to the Mt of Olive the second coming KJV. Have a blessed Day Amen and Amen 🙏

[@marleinsteinmetz5056]

Good point, and the earliest church was looking up to the clouds for jesus not for antichrist!

[@Frank-st6gd]

@@marleinsteinmetz5056 Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 in A Cloud. Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 With CLOUDS. Have a blessed Day Amen 🙏

[@marleinsteinmetz5056]

@@Frank-st6gd amen brother, jesus is who we are watching for not the final antichrist!

[@Frank-st6gd]

@@marleinsteinmetz5056 Amen 🙏. Keeping our Eyes on Jesus Christ. Not the Antichrist. Have a Great blessed day Amen 🙏👍

[@cdbcdbzb]

Pre-Trib people love Pre-Wrath believers because we believe the "Wrath" is throughout the entire Tribulation and from God. Pre-Wrath people hate or just tolerate Pre-Trib believers. I get called a false teacher constantly because of Pre-Trib

[@John8_36]

A pre trib rapture believer (me included) is a pre wrath after all from first seal to 7th bowl is the wrath of God, but not all pre wrath are pre trib lmao. It is what is is.

[@cdbcdbzb]

@@John8_36 Kind of what I said, but thanks

[@linwoodkent1246]

Brother Lee you mentioned hyperdispensationalism what is that exactly or just briefly, Thanks and God bless

[@gloriaminix2603]

The thing I have heard is because people heard and did not accept the Lord that they will believe "the lie" sent by God and be damned? Thoughts ?