What If Rome Conquered Persia? | Alternate History

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[@officialzji1828]

What happen if the United Kingdom and France accepted for forming the Franco-British Union?

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[@savagedarksider5934]

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[@MonsieurDean]

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[@jacobhall9321]

Please do what if the muslim conquests against the byzantines and Persians failed

[@foirie3187]

Just a minor criticism, instead of using a map for the whole world you could've zoomed in on the parts focussed on, the borders are easier to see and more clear and there wasn't really any point showing places like America, or China until the section with the mongols at the end. Other than that great video

[@RoboVenturer]

That would be more effective

[@peterongan9655]

Welp.

[@stickman8459]

elp.

[@belalabusultan5911]

Just a minor criticism of your minor criticism, if you cut off Africa, Australia, and the Americas, then the picture would be cropped better, there were no need to show these lands as they were not part of the scenario.

[@JoeTheBroken]

lp.

[@Lukdnuke_Narson]

I like how your going back on ancient history for a bit

[@HiturMan-nn5pc]

Yeah ww2 and cold war grow tiring and annoying tbh

[@lukebaker5135]

Stiliyan Atanasov Very true, I wish more KZbin history channels would fan out into older history

[@ffls775]

Spoiler: he did

[@sarkis951]

As Iranian I must say - Really cool flag at thumbnail, wish we had something like this. Also, make a video on what if Byzantine and Persian empire successfully defended against arabs.

[@gort2279]

Alan Sarkis random question since your Iranian, why are Iranians typically quite Muslim despite their dislike of Arabs? I know it’s part of the reason they adhere to Shia rather than Sunni schools, but why retain mohammedanism after the Arabs lost control of the region? Why did the region never return to Zoroastrianism?

[@dariushutchinson2424]

@@gort2279 it was dominated for too long by the Islamic faith. I am also half Iranian

[@xzaryab1931]

@@gort2279 Zoroastrianism was on a decline by then

[@ARse-ko7lz]

@@gort2279 hello from iran . i wish they had returned to zoroastrianism but after centuries of brutal force conversion and danger of death , maybe they decided to pick from what was available. to pick a branch of islam and try to iranify it.

[@kianchampion9581]

@@gort2279 because why islam is the fastest growing religion in the world , thats why

[@JoCE2305]

Caesar: I've done nothing! Gaul: What now?

[@PeptoBismarck244]

Joseph Gauls, I hate Gauls.

[@JoCE2305]

@@PeptoBismarck244 What about the Britons and Germans?

[@caesarion4975]

Joseph it’s a reference to Rome total war Julli opening

[@JoCE2305]

@@caesarion4975 Ah, I wouldn't know

[@caesarion4975]

Joseph I would recommend it it’s a cheap little game and it’s really fun runs on almost anything, it’s also on mobile I believe

[@mapoleo]

It’s kinda weird, we imagine Alexander as the ambitious young conqueror, but Caesar as a wise old conqueror, but Caesar had that young man inside of him to be Alexander and so was every conscious kings and emperors ever

[@last.atlantean]

Boy I love the Roman Empire a lot and your old scenarios about Rome are among my favorites! Thanks Mr Z for bringing me joy in this time of hardship!

[@joewoods532]

what if the Hungarian uprising or Prague spring succeed and weren't crushed? How would it effect the cold war?

[@이동연-c6d]

joe woods Whole eastern Europe will uprise against the Soviet Union and communists who occupy their lands and collaborate with the occupiers.

[@rnolan6614]

I think if it did succeed one of the things for it to happen would the US cowing the Russians into backing down by suggesting military action if the soviets interfered

[@lehtokurppa7824]

It's interesting. I read a book about the Hungarian uprising and it concluded in a way, that if the West was not busy failing at Suez they would have helped the Hungarians. I wish that was the case, the Magyars would have had a far better 20th century if it did.

[@lordrhino7026]

I can’t help but think of Palpatine every time you say the senate

[@TheSkyGuy77]

I am the Senate

[@njb1126]

No I am spart I mean the senate

[@JoaoPedro-gc8mw]

"Crassus didn't want to be seen as the weakest link." Just chill, Ramses. (눈‸눈)

[@alinastanescu4430]

Is that a Prince of Egypt reference?

[@theodoretex1068]

What if Prussian king Frederick William IV accepted the imperial German crown in 1849 at the national assembly in Frankfurt am Main?

[@ARse-ko7lz]

would love to see this

[@Daniel-jm7ts]

@Audawarduz Ehwazswerda I think you made Germany a little bit too op in this scenario

[@johnshelton1141]

What if the Frankfurt Assembly offered the crown to Hanover or Bavaria after Prussia turned it down?

[@theodoretex1068]

John Shelton I don’t know if Hanover(edit: or Bavaria) had the influence necessary to control a united Germany in the mid-19th century. Prussia was by far more dominant, and would most definitely challenge Hanover authority. That’s assuming Prussia would join the new united Germany, which might be unlikely or that it’s not under Prussian leadership.

[@johnshelton1141]

@@theodoretex1068 I envisioned a 3rd German state without Prussia or Austria.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

What if the Korean Empire pulled a reverse card and successfully conquered Japan

[@vetabeta9890]

Japan would be so rebellious it'd be an economic deficit

[@givemeyoureggs456]

@Jrod6621 I think that Korea can have an alliance with Russia in 2 ways 1. The weakening of China by the Japanese 2. The Russio-Japanese war

[@leahcimolrac1477]

But then what if they forgot to yell “Uno” and Japan had a Wild Draw 4 card?

[@frumentarii6542]

No way japan will never be conquered

[@Robert_Douglass]

The Japanese archipelago was widespread whereas the Korean peoples, depending upon which kingdom and period we reference (Koryo, Shilla, Koguryo, etc.) were centralised on one peninsula and part of Manchurian China. A Korean navy would have to be survivable on the open water between Korea and Japan, and their strategy for conquering Japan would have to start on smaller islands such as Hokkaido and Shikoku, on which they could gain a foothold and ferry troops in order to mass for invasions of the larger islands, especially Honshu. This still depends upon a capacity to maintain the sealanes between Korea and Japan and an ability to raise troops on the Peninsula for deployment to Japan.

[@algernonilfracombe]

As always, excellent work. I like the discussion of Emperor Trajan, it seems he's normally overlooked in AH circles IMO. A few more timeline ideas that you may be interested in: WI the Holy Roman Empire decisively won the Thirty Years' War? WI Babbage's mechanical computers advanced to the same extent as electronic computers? WI the Angevin Empire survived? WI Enlightenment-era Britain underwent a Republican revolution instead of France? (I don't think you've covered these already, but some of your older videos still seem unavailable in the UK)

[@JebboBaggins]

What if the Romano-persian alliance happened?, (Via the marriage of caracalla and the Persian princess).

[@frumentarii6542]

Why not a persian prince and a roman princess dat sounds better

[@AliHuffman]

@@frumentarii6542 khosro parviz married with Rome princess. We were nice Alliance with Rome. But thats was not long time.

[@ramtinfazeli5106]

That would've been a Roman-Parthian alliance Parthians were Iranians just like Persians but they were not Persians Persian and Parthian are two different Iranian races

[@ryansmith8345]

@@frumentarii6542 Prince of Persia & princess of Rome (sounds like a romeo & juliet, *I loveee it* ) Although it's better to say Prince of Parthia & princess of Rome since during the Roman empire , Iran was Parthia & during the Byzantium empire it was Persia again (both of them Iranians ofcourse, but *prince of Iran doesn't have a nice ring to it* )

[@revolution94ful]

Basically more peace and boring history.

[@521Sasori]

Could you do “What if Baktria remained Greek till today”?

[@MrPlant-rr3ke]

Then I might have blond hairs instead of black😂😂😂 My ancestors lived close by to baktria

[@Daniel-jm7ts]

Spartan Islamic terrorists That sounds scary

[@angelopueyygarcia43]

@@Daniel-jm7ts they'd probably convert to Hinduism first due to close proximity and Hinduism is notoriously hard to convert out of. Or they could probably reform the faith in order to be better suited in the area, probably taking inspiration from neighboring Indian and Persian faiths and making a different branch of Hellenistic faith. So I don't think they'll be Muslims.

[@ryanbennett402]

• Daniel unfathomably based

[@aneesh2115]

@@angelopueyygarcia43 the bactrian would have either remained hellenistic or adopted Buddhism, like they counterparts in India. Probably a mix of the two. Like when herakles was the bodyguard of Buddha

[@angelopueyygarcia43]

I have a nit pick with regards to the mongol invasion part, Genghis Khan only invaded the west because the Shah of Khwarazmian killed his envoys when he taught he was slighted by the great khan. The message being “ I am the master of the lands of the rising sun while you rule those of the setting sun. Let us conclude a firm treaty of friendship and peace.” Indicating that he saw the empire to the west and its ruler as equal to his own. Meanwhile the shah saw this as an insult. So unless the Byzantine ruler of that time was particularly nitwitted, highly unlikely since it requires high levels of cunning and intrigue to survive the den of vipers that is the Byzantine court. There’s also the fact that the mongols wanted a stable trade partner since they were quite busy conquering the entirety of the east. So having friends in the west is the most optimal and economically viable strategy. It would be highly unlikely for the mongols to look westward since China alone is richer than entire civilisations. Unless some extremely unfortunate events happen.

[@robertmiller9735]

That seemed to have happened several times to Mongol envoys... makes me wonder if the Khans made it up or arranged it, so they could have their cassus bellae.

[@angelopueyygarcia43]

@@robertmiller9735 if so then the Shah took it to a whole new level, when he executed everyone in the mongol caravan numbering five hundred men and their steeds, then proceeded to send back to Genghis all their severed heads. Imagine the rage of the Khan at such an insult. He offered the Shah half the world only for him to spit at his face. This is why Baghdad was razed to the ground by the great khan.

[@BabyKee]

2 Rome Alternate History’s In A Row,Nice Job Mr Z!

[@bcvetkov8534]

I think Caesar could've done it honestly. Parthia was the final achievement that everyone was looking forward too. Marc Antony's invasion later on was a disaster only because Anthony wasn't half the man or general as Caesar was.

[@yaqubebased1961]

Caesar had a tendency to ignore the integrity of his supply lines and that would've given him his greatest defeat rather than a feat that matches Alexander's. Let's not pretend that defeating a bunch of tribals is the same thing as felling a functioning empire.

[@rezaganjizadeh4263]

​@@yaqubebased1961alexander kept an eye on logistics never leading his army away from a river for .ore than 3 days

[@C-Farsene_5]

@@yaqubebased1961 tbf he was able to defeat the forces under Pomepy and his supporters

[@watchthe1369]

5:30 is when theoretical change starts for those who know the history.

[@edgelord8337]

Romes fight with persia was a stalemate. Until now. Rome now conquers and defeats their rival. Now they are the sole super power besides china.

[@DaDARKPass]

Of course this is a horrible theory.

[@ryansmith8345]

America is a Rome wannabe ! *& I'm saying that as an American lol*

[@harrycallahan5018]

​@ryansmith8345 I believe we've surpassed Rome in 1/10th of the time

[@JohnSmith-rk7zy]

I can't wait for your Julian the Apostate video, I love this era of history and I love your videos.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

2 alternate scenarios in one video!? This is awesome!

[@charlesaudette924]

What I learned about your videos is that whatever the future is for the roman empire, our future would be better

[@aeneasbobux]

Great video, I like your ancient history scenarios. I remember I requested this in your Rome conquers Germania video.

[@sgauden02]

What if the Plains Indians united under a charismatic war chief (like how the Mongols did under Genghis Khan), and successfully resisted westward expansion? What if the Western Roman Empire survived, and the Eastern Roman Empire collapsed?

[@sgauden02]

@Daisy Wong I like to think that it could have been Crazy Horse. Sitting Bull was more of a spiritual leader/holy man, while Crazy Horse was an actual warrior.

[@shadowofhawk55]

They couldn’t have. Genghis didn’t just randomly conquer the world, he had a warrior culture against sheep peoples then used the sheep peoples to “industrialize”. The natives didn’t have such a people. The most they could do is force America to put more resources into hunting them, but that would only make Americans more xenophobic and you may see an actual genocide rather than just a cultural one.

[@tungstentrain1956]

I love how he pronounces everything slightly different than everyone else does. Me: Tri-um-ver-at Him: Tri-um-vri-at Me: Pom-pee Him: Pom-pay

[@MonsieurDean]

You: Len-in Me: Leen

[@이동연-c6d]

Another alternate history video of Roman Empire that Dovahhatty that likes it! :D :)

[@fgkuv5232]

Roma Invicta

[@coolthefool1]

giggity giggity chad

[@VVeremoose]

Excellent video. You've really come a very long way with your analysis

[@thatcherrotenberry4657]

Chad Romans Vs virgin Persia

[@truthissacred]

Persians won like 80% of battles against Rome (byz. Included)

[@thepreacher7399]

@@truthissacredWhoosh

[@truthissacred]

Yeah

[@misaka3468]

@@truthissacred Didn't Ctesiphon get pillaged like 8 times ?

[@HexaDecimus]

@@thepreacher7399 not really

[@monarchblue4280]

Since you're on a Rome streak... Can you do a What if the Eastern Roman empire fell instead of the Western half? Maybe you can switch places of the two or something? I think that could be interesting.

[@ken43848]

Please make if Persia conquered Rome.

[@AHN-]

man just imagine the wierd world we would live in if the roman empire didn't fall

[@shanemize3775]

I really enjoyed this timeline. Great job!

[@lukerush2893]

This Was great! Thank you! Part two?!?!

[@Keyhan-c8c]

I like this scenario, very interesting! Pls do a "what if Sasanian siege of constantinople did succeed"

[@belalabusultan5911]

what if (insert Civilization name here) discovered gunpowder ? 100 years earlier the gun powder was discovered, and in this scenario arquebuses were created by this empire. potential empires ( Rome - Greece - Muslims - Germanic Tribes - Celtic Tribes )

[@YouPooper]

10:01 If Ceasar wasn't assassinated, wouldn't his and Cleopatra's son be heir?

[@adrastoso9727]

A two emperor system doesn’t work for long, we saw that with the western and eastern parts........ plague staring in China, not much has changed.... Also, if the Roman empire was able to survive in its entirety until the 13th century, the dark ages wouldn’t have happened and the Roman Empire would be significantly farm,ore advanced with guns and canons. It is doubtful that the moguls would stand a chance against an even more advanced Roman Empire!

[@atmosrex7126]

What if Luscius Domitius Aurelianus (270-275) wasn't assassinated and Made Rome Great Again? He is potentially one of the greatest generals of the entire millennium, and did the almost inhuman feat of reuniting a fracturing and dying empire in 5 years. He was tragically cut down due to being considered a zealous and iron-fisted hardass, but even at his death the whole empire went into mourning and didn't even know what to do because how important he was. He expanded the welfare system, created sweeping numbers of laws, had plans for a whole reordering of the empire, etc.

[@JoseGonzalez-hp9uy]

Nice video as always. I got an idea if you ever have the time. What if the Mexican American war ended in a stalemate

[@Notgnirracen]

Aw heck yeah, looking forward to the new Julian video!

[@adrastoso9727]

Crassus was foolish to try and conquer the parthians. He did so on his own accord for personal reasons than for the empire. Rome and parthia were at relative peace until that moment. Emperor Augustus would restore the peace with Parthia which helped make Pax Roma possible. Emperor Augustus stated that the empire was big enough and would be very difficult to manage if it expanded too much further. So even if Rome did conquor Parthia, it is unlikely it would be able to hold the territory for long.

[@lordbonney9779]

His reason were, but in his attempt he wasn’t. What failed Crassus was his lack of military command, and ability to fight Parthia’s nomadic style of fighting.

[@adrastoso9727]

@@lordbonney9779 true. Julius Caesar was going to attempt to conquer Parthia as well before he was assassinated, but I think that would have been too much for Rome to manage. Emperor Augustus knew the empire was big enough and would be hard to manage of getting any larger, and so he made a peace deal with Parthia. It is a shame future emperors didn’t keep the peace.

[@ap9812]

@@adrastoso9727 he made a peace deal because he knew he lacked the military skills to conquer Persia

[@adrastoso9727]

@@ap9812 right, and what would be the point as it would be too difficult to hold onto the territory. A Great Wall should have been built to separate the two empires so incursions into the Roman Empire by the Persians and other peoples later on would be very difficult.

[@kamz19]

No the ppl were angry with Augustus cse they wanted to get revenge for cahree where crassus died

[@lindenstromberg6859]

I don't think the Roman Empire would have been able to hold Persia very long due to size stresses. The Empire had faced pressures from being oversized since at least the late 2nd century BC, and catalyzed the Imperial courts of Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Crassus, Caesar, Antony, Brutus, Octavian, and onward. The Principate was only the illusion of stability, there were rebellions throughout, and the moment the court showed weakness, usurpations occurred and brought on the crisis of the third century and many splinter Empires, that was only really solved with the reforms of Diocletian. With Rome owning Persia, those pressures would have been MUCH heavier. It would be ludicrously easy for a powerful ruler at one end of the Empire to rebel, the crisis of the third century would be the crisis of the first century, and I think the splinter Empires would be stronger and longer lasting.

[@theoldsaxon6484]

What if the Austrian Empire federated the various ethnicities in its empire sometime prior to the Austro-Prussian war for Germanic dominance? Would it have reduced the pressure of internal struggles and thereby allow for Austria to devote more men and resources to the war effort? In other words, would semi-independent states have tipped the war in Austria's favor?

[@yourmajesty1361]

Then the Roman Empire would be sooner divided: Western Rome (Spain/France), Central Rome (Italy/Greece) , Eastern Rome (Persia/Egypt)

[@EndietheEnderman]

But they would all share the same shared culture and identity though. The splits of Rome were only administrative. To the citizens living there, Rome had always been united regardless of the splits.

[@yourmajesty1361]

@@EndietheEnderman Tell that the Western Roman Empire. They collapsed within 100 years.

[@vazak11]

Really solid work!

[@peterongan9655]

There must be a second part after this when they reach the medieval era.

[@dragoninthewest1]

Rome had a habit of adopting things from conquered people. Since Rome conquers Persia, perhaps they adopts the Persian practice of greater religious tolerance. This means Christianity still comes about but because Rome doesn't oppresse it, which actually prevents it from taking over the Empire IOTL. This could also mean that Buddhism spreads in the West when Rome conquers Bactria. Bactria was an Indo-Greek Kingdom founded following the death of Alexander the Great in modern-day Afghanistan. They had converted to Buddhism. Since a number of them spoke Greek, it would mean with translating The Vedas into Mediterranean Greek and Latin would be pretty easy.

[@damienchall8297]

the romans were very tolerant religiously. Remember the christians and jews both hated the roman empire and basically thought it was evil.

[@jasperbergmans4861]

Could you do a timeline of what if the crusade of varna was won and king wladislaw didn't die there?

[@mazyar_]

Why Don't you do an alternative history were Darius the Third defeats Alexander of Macedonia?

[@SgtMcpancake]

You should do the reverse of this! What if Iran conquered Rome! Also great work as always, I can't wait to see what you have cooking up next!

[@crapwithanopinion2919]

I think an alternate history video on what if the Ptolemaic dynasty became an empire instead of what it became in our timeline would be really interesting.

[@GarrettFruge]

Fascinating video!

[@ShahjahanMasood]

Monsieur Z, do a video on "If the Andalusian state survived" scenario. I have been playing Andalusia in EU4 so thats why

[@unclesam5230]

Best Roman Empire Ever

[@blacktea65s]

too widely stretched

[@unclesam5230]

ツEpicbro I prefer the Julius Caesar conquest

[@frumentarii6542]

They tried during both iranian great kingdom's parthians and sassanians but they lost at every battle

[@damdog74]

It was bound to happen for a video about Rome and Persia

[@amehak1922]

Awesome sauce!!

[@n-ray6362]

The best scenario is the conquest of Persia starts in 275 when Aurelian is not assassinated

[@reignadams6692]

omg I suggested this thank you!

[@1teneris]

Ok. Some little criticism. As far as I know Caesar had about 20 legions (100.000 to 120.000 men) and an unacounted number of Auxilares prepared for his invasion of Parthia while sending Marc Anthony of with 8 more legion to conquer Dacia. So Caesar didn't have 60.000 men but about three to four times as many prepared for his invasion. As for a civil war in the west. The only chance for Caesar to go conquering in the east would have been a failed assassination attempt. Quite probably there wouldn't be anybody left in the west to start a civil war. Also most of the troops used in this civil war had been forces pulled together for the invasions of Dacia and Parthia. So no troops and no commanders equals no civil war in the west.

[@jeffchynk5420]

What if Rome fought in the Finno-Korean Hyperwar? 🤔

[@Ryukuro]

Go back to reality 28848174827294728.

[@botrust6543]

Rome (or atleast the geographical location of the city) was under the Finnish, that said Rome did technically fight the koreans with the Finnish due to it being a province of the Finnish Empire. So yes Rome did fight in the Finno-Korean Hyperwar

[@dragoninthewest1]

The what I think is the POD of Hesperian trilogy. It's kind of my own headcanon but it's based on clues in the trilogy. The Empire remain solvent up to at least the 1200s CE. Spoilers if your interested When the Danish Vikings come raiding Britannia and Gaul, the Romans defeat them and make them vassal States. Because of Roman need for advanced warships, they contract Norse shipwrights. This eventually leads to discovery of the new world when Vikings come back with spices & gold unbeknownst to the Romans from the Yucatan Maya. This leads to to the assembly of a legion to North America which in this timeline is called Nova Hesperia (New Land of the West). The legion is defeated by Cahokia (near modern day St Louis), however this causes horses to be reintroduced to Hesperia along adding technologies like metal working and writing learned from captured legionaries. The current Roman Emperor is at war with Genghis Khan who was trying to invade Kiev (Ukraine) who have some relation to Rome. If I were to predict the future in this timeline, following the death of Genghis Khan during his attempted invasion of the West Coast of Hesperia his sons fight for control of the empire. Kublai Khan still declares the Yuan Dynasty. The trade from the Silk Road or the capturing of Chinese Alchemist during a war with the Mongols leads the introduction of printing and Qin salt AKA gunpowder. This could lead to the rise of Ireland and Scandinavia as a major political powers as also they would have accrued wealth from their trade with the Hesperians via Vinland. We're also like to see a number of intermingling between European Traders and Hesperians especially in Port Towns. The Mayan city-states are unified into a centralized Kingdom and it begins expanding further into Mexico and Guatemala. This is achieved through horses and steel gain from the Mongols. The Black Death still spreads throughout Eurasia and comes to the new world. The impact in Europe is far less due to Roman medicine and practice of good hygiene. The native tribes having have contact with animals that the Vinlanders brought over from Europe and adopting Roman bathing practices increases their survival rate against European diseases however their population would still be extremely impacted by the Black Death.

[@BareRoseGarage]

I know this ties with other things, but what if all this was tied to the Republic of Rome, and not the Empire of Rome. What if Julius was ordered by Rome to take Gaul, Persia, etc etc etc. I don't know, anything is possible when you go into the "what-if" aspect of it all. What has always caught my attention (mostly while playing Total War) was not really the Military Conquests and Reforms of Rome, but the political conquests and reforms of Rome. What if during all this, the SPQR had it's own Marian-Reformations to deal with that side of the growing Republic.

[@moonshinei]

I feel like the mic is at a good volume now. Is it just me or is it actually louder?

[@nijnij6081]

Ironically, the opposite was more likely to have happened. It would be cool to see what would have happened if Persia conquered Rome.

[@S.P.Q.Rrespublicas]

depends when. If it is the united Roman Empire, the Persians will never be able to conquer Rome, however the Romans COULD (though they obv didnt, coz they failed) conquer Persia. When it was Eastern Rome vs Persia, they could destroy eachother, though Persia was far more likley to destroy the Eastern Romans (but getting Constantinople and Greece is impossible)

[@morsecode980]

What if the Bar Confederation within the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth successfully forged an alliance with France, Austria, and the Ottomans against Russia in 1772? And perhaps also drew Sweden to their side?

[@nihilarv2303]

the exact same thing that happened in real life wouldve happened. Death by overextension, probably a quicker death too.

[@majorpest4894]

Hope you are doing okay in these troubled times. Hope it hasn't hit close to home for you. Still loving the content keep it up man.

[@LaSpataCaroli]

The Caesar timeline us really fucking glorious

[@generalfletch7043]

It’s crazy how one thing can change the timeline by so much

[@monarchistheadcrab8819]

What if the Persians conquered Rome?

[@lovefrompraha]

What about a what if the Mongols succeeded in their planned conquests such as Vietnam, Japan, India, and Europe? Or better yet, what if Genghis Khan fixed the succession problem and they managed to improve from there.

[@georgep.burdell7237]

Any timeline where Islam is strangled in the cradle is a happy one

[@AlbinoJebus]

Great video

[@vichovichev2043]

What if the all the Bulgars came to the Balkans together? And what i mean by that, what if the 5 sons of khan Kubrat united and came to the Balkans together instead of spliting the Bulgars and each one of them going to diferent direction

[@Zhtrik]

Holy Hot Damn, this is going to be interesting.

[@Canada1994]

Seeing as how this is a series, do one on if Rome conquered Scotland

[@alirezabhmanabadi4235]

What if Persia conquer Rome?

[@pantelisdalezios1086]

What if the Jews conquered Nazi Germany? What if the Greeks invaded Japan? SO interesting topics!

[@benmarley3086]

What if Switzerland conquered Somalia

[@angramainyu335]

Now Italians would be eating ghorme sabzi.

[@aminghasemzadeh99]

@@pantelisdalezios1086 are you comparing persians with jews? were persians such a weak nation?

[@nikzad2167]

@Daisy Wong Please use your mask the type

[@tuur319]

Lets say ceaser conquered all of persia and made augustus governer of most of mesopotamia and most of modern iran (technically not a second emporer but still getting 2 provinces larger then rome had ever seen before). Since britain required 4 legions for a long period to keep the population from revolting i would estimate mesopotamia needs at least 6 permanently stationed legions and the to be iranian province probably more than that. Include half a dozen other provinces that also would be created and will each require about 2 legions (these could also just become client states . That comes up to 20+ legions required to prevent rebellions (some provinces could be less rebilious perhaps preferring roman rule over persian, these regions would provide some additionel specialised auxiliary troops think of heavy cavalry and mounted archers, as well as soldiers specialised in desert warfare). This would mean ceaser needs more than 100 000 legionairies to pacify the newly acquired land who all had to come from the west and even if he managed to gather those troops without under protecting the west he would still need the diplomatic skills of a dozen cicero's to pacify the persian elite. So yes i think ceaser could have conquered persia, but keeping control would require the combined life's work of ceasar and augustus although to be honest if you had to chose any two emporers to do it,it would be them. For ceaser this would be like conquering 10 gallia's at the same time and gallia alone took him 10 years to pacify

[@tuur319]

Also its almost impossible to conquer the iranian plateau, modern day Afghanistan or even Pakistan for that matter so anyone conquering the persian empire would be halted at the persian gulf or waste recources trying to go further. And if they conquered it they would need to stack it with legions coming from the other side of the world

[@tarn1135]

I personally think Julius Caesar wouldn’t have had much of a problem defeating the Persian/Parthians however looking at Gaul it took Caesar 10 years to secure and ,mostly, pacify it. The problem comes in that Caesar was relatively old and suffered from epilepsy so I’m not sure he would have been able to pacify and transform the Persian territories into a proper province. Then again given that the people in Persia were used to a single government power system and not individual tribes I can see them accepting Roman rule faster then the Gauls, it all depends in my mind who the governor would be after and wether or not the Romans would be able to incorporate the citizens of the new territories into the Roman whole.

[@NJ-eo2oc]

You can't seriously compare it to Gauls lol. Parthia/Persia was an ADVANCED EMPIRE and has Proven time and time again to be as Strong as the Romans. Ceasar would have faced a likely defeat specially against a military genius(general Surena)

[@x1_catalyst_x174]

Bro you compare Gauls to Parthians?the first battle between Parthia and Rome was a Major defeat for the Romans,they lost to a 10 000 Parthian Soldiers when they had 50 000 soldiers

[@RandomYT05_01]

I did that once when playing Aoc2.

[@mr.radical3692]

Please do a video on what if Freemasonry had more of an influence in the US/took control of the US government early on.

[@thorpeaaron1110]

Can you do what if the Japanese invaded Australia during WW2

[@TheSkyGuy77]

It would be the Japanese version of the US-Vietnam War. Endless slog across the wildlands, constant guerrilla strikes by Australians and aborigines, etc.

[@derekclinton9438]

Mr. Z, what would happen if Japan never went into isolation during the Tokugawa Shogunate?

[@kingcotton659]

Ok this is epic

[@InfernosReaper]

I'm honestly not so sure the Mongols would be able to advance as far west with a strong empire to oppose them

[@InfernosReaper]

@Armored_Ariete No doubt. Even though most of their body count is small territories and old fading empires, the Mongols weren't chumps

[@shorewall]

I haven't even started the video yet, but...YES!!! :D

[@aarohalme1020]

Julius was a way better general than Alexander who almost died in his first battle in anatolia, while Julius kept winning incredible odds.

[@aneesh2115]

Was he really though. Julius fought unorganised tribes. He conquered gaul, sure but Alex siezed the whole of the achemenid persian empire which streached from Egypt to the Indus.

[@vitocarlucci157]

@@aneesh2115 It's better to view Alexander's war on Persia as a coup more than a traditional conquest.

[@ilFrancotti]

@@aneesh2115 aside from few elite corps and mercenaries the Persian army was mostly composed by poorly trained men, sometimes just peasants equipped with spear and shield. Their best weapons were their chariots and arrows like barbarian tribes in Britannia. The difference with barbarian kingdoms of Europe was mainly in the form of way more organized state and leadership.

[@firstchushingura]

Alexandros The Great fought in the front line... Noob...

[@aarohalme1020]

so just because someone fights in the front lines, they are a great leader? Alexander only won because he had basically the best army in the world and many allies, he was NOT a good commander.

[@AlvinMulongo]

Julius Ceasor died days before invading persia Trajan died when he was almost about to conquer persia fully Mark antony could have conquered persia but his supply lines were cut off . This persian luck needs to be studied.

[@ilyalubman5274]

Hi✌️ I have two ideas for your videos. 1. What if Rome lost the Punic wars. 2. What if Rome were communist🤣 Good luck 🙃

[@Miguel-nm3od]

11:38 OMG look at that!!

[@JTL1776]

ROME COULD CONQUER PERSIA BUT I DONT THINK IT COULD HOLD IT OR ROMANIZE IT. Its not some gallic or Germanic tribe its a ancient power with a large identity that somewhat even survives today.

[@jasonmuniz-contreras6630]

Germanic tribes were never romanized. Being tribal was not a factor in facilitating romanization. Also, Iranians have been partially arabized.

[@tntfragz1945]

dammm That Alexander The Great guy must be some important person to affect the roman emperors

[@NJ-eo2oc]

He was a brutal barbarian though. he wasn't Great by any means

[@slimebeingslimey8266]

​@@NJ-eo2ocbarbarian non greek or roman

[@slimebeingslimey8266]

​@@NJ-eo2oc you are a barbarian

[@ibrahimcheema4818]

So this basically a video of an alternate timeline in which ceaser was not assassinated

[@frankvandorp2059]

If the Roman empire had persisted until the time of Genghis Khan in relative peace, never conquered by Germanic tribes in the west or muslim Arabs in the East, they probably would have had tanks and fighter jets by the time Genghis Khan came along. That's one of the factors you completely leave out in this video: technological advancement. In a more stable and peaceful Europe/Middle East, the modern age would have come along much, much sooner.

[@jasonmuniz-contreras6630]

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[@shadowofhawk55]

no, the Romans were not a hyper advancement driven people. They mostly took what other people did better and merely did more of it due to superior industry. They got most of their armor and weapons from the Celts, just they could afford more armored warriors.

[@S.P.Q.Rrespublicas]

@@shadowofhawk55 depends. You can always say they do more than open doors with steam power. yes they had steam power. Heron of Alexandria created it, and it was used to open temple doors in egypt. And, they did have a watermill or two. We can always just say, "oh, they actually do a tiny bit more than this". In our world, from the Industrial Revolution it took us 2 centuries to land on the moon....if Rome has steam power in the 1st century AD, you'd think they'd do something in a millenia.

[@ocularzombie6679]

Yes, finally some good fucking *scenario*

[@LedosKell]

"We've decided to save him for another project" Oh baby. Also of course, what if the Pig War in 1859 escalated into a full-scale war between the United States and the British Empire?

[@urielantoniobarcelosavenda780]

What it was what was said? "That two great nations went to war because of a pig is just ridiculous" It was something like that, rigth? However, it's still intersting 1859.... Mmmmmm, by that time the USA alreedy have "La mesilla" or not? Depending of the answer Mexico will or will not help England

[@frankgesuele6298]

A war over a pig is too much BS.

[@maximusdecimusmeridious3784]

Ceasar In Parthia would be amazing

[@JohnSmith-rk7zy]

It's very strange watching a video on a topic that I've studied in my A-levels.

[@TemplarX2]

Sumeria/Persia >> Rome plus Greece combined. Persia would have humiliated caesar. it's actually a good thing to his reputation he was assasinated.