WHAT IF Season 2 Episode 9 Breakdown | Ending Explained, Marvel Easter Eggs & Season 3 Trailer

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WHAT IF Season 2 Episode 9 Breakdown | Ending Explained, Post Credits & Marvel Easter Eggs. We review, recap and explain Marvel Phase 5's new What If Season 2 Final Episode. We discuss the character changes, comic book callbacks and a lot more.
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Welcome to the Heavy Spoilers show, I'm your host Paul and this video we're breaking down the finale of What if.
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Season 2 is now at an end and episode 9 has a lot to unpack from it. Throughout this video we're gonna be going through it all and breaking down the easter eggs and details in it. We're also gonna be giving our thoughts on the season and going over our reaction to it. Please hit that thumbs up one last time and if you enjoy make sure you subscribe.
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So Strange Supreme has been a big character in the show with him debuting back in season 1. I think that that episode is still probably my favourite with it creating a man who destroyed his entire universe. Come the end of the entry we see as this is reborn and it never gets put on that path of destruction. That is because strange defeats the devil on his shoulder....like literally...and stops himself from being born in it. Strange no longer being alive means his Christine doesnt die and thus he never goes down that dark path.
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[@Twilight17Petkoton]

Oh, Heavy Spoilers, in one of Marvel Zombies' comics books their a character named Ash Williams from Evil Dead, which he not a Marvel or DC Universe makes a one time crossover appearance that it.

[@anthonylosego]

Shit going on. No logic. Too late for that. Just throw shit at the wall and have fun! It is fun. But man. Oops. lol

[@ross-carlson]

IMHO no need AT ALL for all the apologies - you're doing awesome chief, it's your channel so of course you should share your opinions!!!

[@Matisaro]

Disagree on the fumble aspect. I think it was just continuing his story to allow him to truly atone and adapt by giving up his existence to save them. His final selfless act is the ultimate end of his redemption storyline imho.

[@anthonylosego]

@@Matisaro this is overlooked I think. But present. They afforded him the separation of heads before the end. No more fight.

[@Subzero2991]

The respect for Loki’s Tree of Life PowerUp was dope

[@halfpine9952]

I think a lot of people are forgetting the finale scene of Season 1 where Strange says to the watcher “Besides…what are friends for” then smirks at the pocket universe. It is a subtle hint at his intentions that are revealed here.

[@joemolina3467]

True I saw that

[@irfanqusyairi19]

ifkr i swear people be just hating, i was happy that it happened

[@lexruptor]

Not really, no. If it was intended that way, it certainly wasn't played that way. It came off more as resignation and acceptance of his new role as a Guardian of the Multiverse, not like he was gonna relapse and do this bs, it completely made no sense.

[@SSJRadioBluth]

Exactly this. He literally never took his eyes off that pocket dimension.

[@rockkraken4548]

Both seasons end with Strange making a sacrifice. Plus Strangers character arch ends up being fake from season one?

[@kevz2474]

Kahori is powered by the tesseract (newly) and she just tosses killmonger aside who’s been powered by all of the infinity stones!?!? 😂😂😂

[@AP13P]

MSHEU moment.

[@HavikLord]

And Peggy going toe to toe with fucking strange who clapped infinity ultron who is far more stronger and smarter than Peggy feels dumb Also I still didn't understand on why strange didn't use his time stone and clap them Overall this is the true m-she-u moment Laughed my ass off when watcher said that the multiverse need *Peggy carter*

[@notmephisto1375]

Kahhori is the master of space stone powers. Killmonger is not a master of any infinity stones. He got delt with accordingly. It's not about having all the powers, it's about how you utilize them.

[@notmephisto1375]

​​@@HavikLord Guess you didn't notice that the entire fight the mind stone was lit up on Peg. Yeah, the mind stone, and power stone were the ones she used the most. That means she was harnessing infinite mind power and infinite protection the entire time. That's how she survived most the battle.

[@kevz2474]

@@notmephisto1375 killmonger had way more xp than her. Pfft ain’t no way.

[@Zeyek1]

i think we saw a small glimpse of secret wars of all of this villains released. i can't wait

[@PatrickBateman3116]

Yeah Hopefully they return 🍷

[@marqezdominik1]

My thought exactly

[@HoshySeanPaul]

What if every episode didn't feature Peggy captain! Literally the whole season was about her might as well just change all the titles to her name! We missee out alot of great comic characters we didn't even get much of Wanda's Scarlet Witch nor Loki or Spiderman.

[@DocFunkenstein]

The heroes and villains throwing their weapons to Peggy had more meaning than I think you gave credit to. They all saw her and Kahhori trying to save them despite their actions, and as a final heroic sacrifice before their death, they gave their power to them in order to save everyone.

[@JoeNasr123]

Nah, this was more of that “girl power” shit.

[@cl00x3r]

nah they was all simp

[@ChloetheGaymer]

@@JoeNasr123 sounds like u have a fragile ego

[@spideymcgee4718]

@@ChloetheGaymersounds like you’re a liberal.

[@joyboyjoyboy661]

​@@JoeNasr123 im gonna be honest if i think about it actually shows how week both were against strange. Yk like look how much power 2 female heroes need to defeat one male evil hero. They didnt defeat him he killed himself i just relised. Damn marvel is still in dark time.

[@Yurias]

Paul had his hand on the upload as soon as the credits roll again.

[@PagerAttacker69]

These all episodes felt like Cricket World Cup where India won all matches till the finale. The expectations were just too high. 😂😅

[@s4m1r_65]

i feel what they did to Dr Strange here, is the same mistake they did with Wanda in the multiverse of madness. wanda had some beautiful character development in wandavision. you could see she learnt, from her mistakes in the end. that she could not bring back Vision at the cost of people's lives and freedom. wwhen we see her again in MOM it was strange to see how she was willong to torture andkill innocent people to bring back her child. so it was odd to see this dr strange do the same. he learnt from his mistakes and seemed to have had accepted the death of Christine. it was a good episode. but that part doesnt sit well with me

[@jelita_]

Definitely. He got Wanda's treatment here😢

[@tanicavala8772]

​@@jelita_They destroyed anyone who is a threat to the multiverse lol hahaha They even destroyed kang

[@JKOversion1]

Couldn't have put it any better myself. Spot on.

[@Nin10dough_player829]

Nah strange never excepted her death he suffered his grief and never moved on and he was mad at himself for destroying the universe but he didn’t “learn from his mistakes” and he even mocked the watcher when the watcher intervened

[@jnmks]

people relapse all the time, it wouldn’t be a shocker if strange did the same thing

[@amiasquinn7766]

He wasn't being driven by just his grief, I love that it was a demon inside of him that fed on that grief and caused him to slowly go mad. Sometimes the good guy loses, and Dr. Strange was still a good guy at heart which is why he sacrificed himself for his world. He finally got his wish, save his world but let him die. Broke my heart at the end, seeing him gain everything just to never be able to see it. Great Video!!❤

[@lord_draculs]

Fans : Waiting for Hela and Wenwu Team up in the finale MsheU : Oh they definitely want more of Peggy Carter.

[@ccostandinclaudia]

Me personally I love this series. Strange Supreme is my favorite caracter coming out of it and I still belive it was a huge disappointment not being used in the Multivers of Madness, considering his story with Christine and the plot line in MoM with Christine. It's the show perfect, but I far from it but I still have a good time watching it 😊

[@manxdarcqpaw744]

If he had been in it, He'd have overshadowed Wanda's quest with his own.

[@RenegadeLK]

I loved how they added in the Loki season 2 reference with the world tree! I'm praying for more ties-ins with season 3 of What If. Such a fun connection that was.

[@mcw1907]

Yes, that was a really nice surprise! I thought that animation took too long for them to include any mentions of the end of Loki season 2. Glad that wasn't the case.

[@andrecasseus6040]

Great coverage of the episode and series. I felt that strange at the end of season 1 was destined to go for fixing his world. He was super nonchalant.

[@Trivium1989]

There were seeming parallels between Strange Supreme and Wanda, in that they were both after someone whom they saw as a source to regaining their worlds: Chavez’s abilities to traverse the multiverse for Wanda to get her boys back; Kahori for Strange Supreme, in order to feed the forge and recreate a world with Christine.

[@Seansyoutubehandle]

I didn’t mind strange being the villain because of how they showed the evil spirit of strange supreme being separated from the light side of strange, like if the good strange he absorbed last season was still in there trying to stop supreme strange. It did undermine the ending of last season but it also added more because obviously strange’s only goal since losing Christine was getting her back, everything else was a side quest, so when last season finished he started his plan to get her back.

[@Astro_Mickey]

Evil strange redemption would make less sense. If he never properly dealt with the trauma and was left to his own devices, of course those evil thoughts will continue to overcome him.

[@vlhruaiatochhawng3076]

I just don't get it,Strange villain arc just came out of nowhere.There was no buildup,they decided to make him a villain at the last episode.

[@thee_morpheus]

Mainly to force the overused Captain Carter down our throats once more, I don’t recall the What If comic using the same character version over and over.

[@Randolph-h8t]

Bro this has so much symmetry the ending of loki to the ending of what if🤯

[@midago7332]

Yup rewound it a couple of times 😂, mind blown for sure

[@hritviknijhawan1737]

At the start of the episode, when I saw Kahhori dashing throughout the woods around Peggy... I thought that it was a Quicksilver variant referecing from AoU... And that the main villains of the episode were going to be Wanda, Pietro and Red Skull variants in a scenario where Red Skull got, twisted and trained the twins.

[@jamess.931]

I felt the same way about Strange at first but the more I thought about it, it wasnt Strange that did it, it was all the power he absorbed. It took him over and amplified all his feelings while he was alone for all that time. He eventually won and pulled a butterfly effect and eliminated himself from time its self to save everyone. I do wish it was a different villain but I didnt mind it after I thought abut it some more, it would have been nice if there was a episode that showed him fighting with his demons before eventually losing which leads to the finally

[@CartoonCo-Op]

Yeah see that’s the issue, he doesn’t fight his demons till the end. His reversion back is off screen. I believe a conversation with the watcher early in the season warning strange, then shortly after the demons arguing with strange that the watcher is wrong, taking over, would’ve been good.

[@lamar2658]

I get the criticism about Strange but if you really think about it no matter how great Strange character arch is his whole reason for existence is Christine in every universe so it’s pretty on track imo. Sure most ppl don’t want to see him like that but I think it’s kind of naive to think that he wouldn’t go back to his roots of trying to get Christine back. It’s just what he does and they stuck to it. I do agree with the criticism but I think they stayed true to the overall concept of strange in the end.

[@tattltal]

I felt the same thing with strange became a villain again because I liked the character. But it makes sense from a story stand point. Strange supreme didn’t really atone with what he did. He lamented that it didn’t work and asked for him to used as a sacrifice to save his world. After that, he just fought with the Guardians of the Multiverse but it was more of a showcase about how powerful he is rather than how much he grew. Now, he got to pay and take back what he did.

[@Marvelousgamer7697]

I'm happy to say I really enjoyed this finale! This wasn't my favorite episode of the season, but I think it was a great and action packed way to end the season and leave the door open for a 3rd season, which we know is coming! 8/10! Overall, though, this season was phenomenal! 9.5/10 for the whole season! I can't believe RT audience score is so low? I guess this show doesn't connect with as many people like it connects with me.

[@samuelforce7883]

I agree. Was hoping Thanos would be the villain. I think that's what they wanted us to believe and strange being a prick was kinda dealt with in season 1. Other than that it was great

[@donovanmartin7946]

Loved this season top to bottom

[@monsterjs2608]

Not gunna lie Marvel has been plagued with the not so good ending especially with Secret invasion but damn have they finished off strong with Loki and What if!!

[@youre_totally_right_but_]

@@monsterjs2608 agreed. loki and what if (despite my opinions on this finale) are still singlehandedly the best that came out of phase 5!

[@jnmks]

marvel fans today are insufferable and pathetic, that’s why they hate marvel but yet continue watching marvel, they’re hypocrites

[@saptarnabshow6414]

12:31 "The characters throw all our weapons to peg including JONATHAN" ROFLLL🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@anflock451]

Peggy not dying after using the stones is so fucking dumb.

[@nikhilt3755]

also peggy using stones in hand and punching strange in head is also dumb

[@Mi-Jung_Kim-tq2bl]

She's way stronger than MCU captain America

[@ThePoetNamedT]

Infinity stones are paper weights now.

[@Zeyek1]

@@ThePoetNamedThaha i remember that reference lol

[@abhijeetvdsh]

Using the stone kill half the universe got thanos or iron used it for large amount, Peggy never used all of them at once

[@Samilion101]

strange always had an addiction to getting Christine back. mans spent hundreds of years fighting monsters and draining their power. His grief literally manifested into a demon and thats what took over. Steven strange did have a change of heart, but his grief was too strong. i think having him as the villain wasnt the wrong move and i think it makes sense character wise.

[@ronibigbangnicole]

Agreed 🤟🏾

[@daviesimms5232]

That wasn’t the Grandmaster from T’Challa Star-Lords episode, that was The Collector from that episode

[@jigolocana7492]

This episode is overall mix bag. Everything felt rushed and they threw it all in the window. You're Critisms are valid and pointed out very well. Doctor Strange deserved better and they built him as something interesting and they ended it as very dissappinting. His character was already developed, Doctor Strange falling back to depravity could've worked if not only if they did better with the story and actually built it up. But in the end they left it for the viewers to understand what had happened to him. Although, the action was amazing and can't wait for season 3.

[@cypher8855]

I am seeing all the criticism, still the best Marvel content we've gotten in awhile, besides Loki. I thought it was good. And live action full movie of Capt Peggy if done correctly would be good. Plus Hayley Atwell is super smokin.

[@Sawyer-S]

100% agree with you. He had such great growth in season 1 where I think this ruined it. Had a lot of fun just wish they chose something else than Strange Supreme trying to get his love back.

[@Edge2177]

Thanks for the coverage!

[@dinokinggaming1k]

If I’m guessing season 3 probably going to be after Deadpool 3 since he going to break multiverse

[@Highroller16]

Whole season was fire

[@ironic_bionic]

I don't know if this was an intentional 80s movie homage, but Happy "HULK" Hogan reminded me of the dude in the 80's animated movie Heavy Metal (Hanover Fist - From the Captain Sternn story segment)

[@d.a.f.]

I think Peggy technically incorporated the infinity ultron suit into her own suit so it should be able to disipate any harmful excess energy if you want to explain it away that way. Also you could make an argument she used the stones together for a powered up attack and not something way more taxing like dusting half a universes sentient beings or bringing back previously dusted people. One thing with Tony's sacrifice is that he wasn't prepared to make the sacrfice but he did anyway narratively if Tony used Uru metal or Vibranium to engineer a suit that could better handle Infinity Stone energy he might have been able to survive or be a lot less maimed then he was at the end of Endgame

[@IsiahBradley]

And now our journey with "What If.....?" S2 ends! As someone who read the first volume of the comic off the stands (I'm not mistyping; that's how old I am!), I still find this amazing!!! What a great level of entertainment Marvel and you have provided!!! THANKS for that!!!!

[@itsjust_zak217]

I want a breakdown about the art direction of what if, its not as astounding as spiderverse but its still good, especially that semi cel-shading look or whatever its called

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@itsjust_zak217 I would love a What If Spidey cameo in BTS?

[@Marvelousgamer7697]

I do agree with the issues of reusing his motivation from last season but considering that he has been isolated alone ever since with nothing to grow off of put a his thoughts loneliness, sadness, and grief plus the manifestation of all the evilness he's absorbed become as powerful as he is I do think his turn to Evil did make sense. Like in real life typically you have other things to do to help you grow out of the dark place you find yourself in but Stephen literally had nothing to do but watch a trapped prism all by himself with no way of truly addressing his grief.

[@kevinphiggins]

The Badlands also appeared in the closing credits of GotGv3. Ok fine it was the Bruce Springsteen song “Badlands” but get off my case that tune’s a banger

[@zackattackjoseph7279]

The smiley face hand that eats magic may be a references to Dao Long Wong from the Jackie Chan Adventures. His hands opened into mouths to steal magic.

[@СвиленПърванов-ю8ъ]

Well...Strange and Wanda stans will have something in common now. He got the Wanda treatment which is kinda satisfying to see.I always knew they were the same

[@joemolina3467]

Wow is that Hulk Thor ???? Loved all the characters plus new ones !!!! Wasn’t expecting this at all !!! The super soldier with infinity stones , shield and kahori with the rings and the augmentation of all other powers !! Dam I was just waiting for hela the goddess of light to show up at the end !!

[@abamalarcon3526]

8:13 looks like star-lord with ego tentacles lol

[@serirvan5708]

8:10 i think that was peter quill, looks like Ego’s celestial tentacles from GOTG vol. 2

[@MagicCityMayhem]

Cheers for the fast upload! Hope you’re taking your vit-uh-mins!!

[@katsarelas1947]

I feel like Kahori is overpowered…super speed, Telekinesis, energy beams, portals, even cross-universe portals apparently and more…all from the space stone? I mean I can see how all of that could be “space” but nobody else with it ever has all that at once?

[@andrewfinnegan3453]

Strange being the baddie is my only real negative thought - i thought everything else was actually pretty cool and I hope we get live action Kahori and this version of Cap Carter - also depowering Cap carter at the end was a good move

[@john-thejohn-johnson4403]

Honestly the first season overall was a lot better. We got rewarded for wathcing every episode, as the characters from them appeared in the final battle. However here there was nothing. The stand out of this season for me was the Helas redemption episode and i was really disappointed she didnt appear in the finale (she migth have been powerfull enough to even battle strange). I dont know if i got more sencitive to bad writing, but i felt this season had a lot of it. The first couple episodes were just horrible and the season only started picking up steam later on. But then of course the finale, whitch just straigth up shits on the best WHAT IF episode ever and the whole character of Strange and ended up just being "Lets throw magic balls at each other cuz why not". As a big simp for Hayley myself, i must say that captain Carter is just a boring character swap and i dont understand the decision to make her the "main character" of the show. God, damn it. The finale definitely needed a solid rewrite. I think i know what could have been done. Listen to this. What if the episode began with Strange in his sanctum observing the multiverse. He sees a variant of Strange about to loose his Christine. After a tear drops down his cheek, he mans up and decides to intervein and safes her. Strange variant and Christine both thank him, but then watcher appears, deletes Christine and then teleports himself and Strange to his sanctum. He then tells him, that if he want to observe the multiverse he cannot intervein and must swear an oath. Strange gets pissed and disagrees. He then starts to scout the multiverse for powerfull beings to help him overthrow the watcher and stop the suffering in other universes. I dont know what writer i am but i fell like this could be a good setup, with the theme being about the question of interviening or not and stranges character arc would not be ignored but expanded on.

[@barrysmith4610]

Love this take with Strange going toe to toe with the Watcher with Peggy maybe forced to pick aside. In the end, Watcher, Peggy, Khahori and maybe Hela and WenWu from episode 7 stop him. With Watcher giving Strange a world where that worlds Strange dies but Christine is alive. Similar to what he did with Widow in the Season 1 finale.

[@pingumon3581]

They could have done so much more honestly. Finale was cool but kind of a bummer. Kahori and Hela's episodes were my favourites from this season. I'm hopeful for s3 tho.

[@jbeast313]

Doctor Strange going absolutely insane and killing universes for Christine she must have that gawk gawk 9000. I feel for him

[@farid-frederick]

"we are destroyer of our own universes yet we didn't capable help ourselves when falling, best we can do is gave our weapons to a mortal super soldier and her friend"

[@jasonnorton129]

I thought maybe they did the intro in only the last episode because it connects to the mcu since I thought they were only using that intro for movies now

[@Iwillone]

I never thought Strange Supreme truly face turned so him being the antagonist wasn't far off the mark. Definitely didn't mind a battle involving some of the MCU's most powerful items (-_^ )

[@CharlesSpadina3030]

It’s not the Grandmaster it’s the Collector from the S1 T’Challa episode

[@thegamingmultiverse6693]

There was no redemption for strange he selfishly and arrogantly killed a universe, honestly him still being evil isn’t a surprise

[@allthatwecan]

It makes sense that Strange would grow in his resentment for The Watcher, given the hypocrisy behind his refusal to help Strange while later asking him to help defeat Ultron and feeling cheated afterward. However, nobody took the time to write this explanation into the show. They could have made Kilmonger the devil in his ear after he won the suit from Zola. As it stands, we receive no explanation for how Strange evolved from a Multiverse Avenger to a multiversal threat, and the Watcher seems indifferent to or unaware of these events despite them coming from someone he trapped in a pocket dimension.

[@tommasoromita937]

I think the kahoori episode was the best. Them introducing a brand new character she’s a very likeable character and I hope we can all see her make a live action debut

[@cooperharrison]

She's got a weird attitude. Doesn't work for me

[@devmehta2111]

@@cooperharrisonagreed

[@adaml7349]

@@cooperharrison I agree

[@cristianogomes6504]

Made sense that the final villain would have to be someone we knew, as introducing a character this late would make little sense. If there had been any foreshadowing for strange going rogue since the beginning of the season, this wouldn’t have felt like coming out of nowhere. Dude has literal demons inside him, it is plausible to have issues with control, especially in loneliness. And this resolution to the character was better than him being just a watcher of one universe. There could have been one episode right at the begging in the lines of What if Supreme Strange lost control…? And this finale would have been a lot better

[@murrdurr5830]

I totally agree, I made a comment about it. The Sanctum was weird because it just raised more questions, like is this in the crystal bubble universe or is it a different universe? Also the Forge being brought in was also weird because it didn’t really raise the stakes much, and we had no backstory on it until they explained it made universes, which sounds like something I would want to know about.

[@LosoLeveling]

Yeah on rewatch this episode is frustratingly inconsistent. Why anybody continues to fight hand-to-hand after witnessing Kilmonger snapping Thanos away is insane to me. They gotta drop the stones, man. They’re done. The mystique is gone and every time somebody else uses them with minimal effort it’s like why the fuck did Tony Stark have to die?

[@gorghor]

If there was no supreme strange then how was infinity ultron stopped. Seems like they didn't think about the retroactive effects of removing supreme strange. Also how can the pocket dimensions just break like glass. If strange has mastered time and is a multiversal being, how can he not have foreseen this fight and how it will play out. Nothing about this episode really makes any sense. It's also kind of screwed up that the watcher is responsible for most of this by asking strange for help and breaking his oath.

[@tjbullis1491]

Bro its been 3 hours and dude already has a breakdown?, WHAT lol, wild.

[@Mahut21]

I agree. I don't like when characters have some hard time and grow up and next scene all is undo by 5s of screen time

[@NinjaC]

Kahhori, and to be blunt this entire episode is exactly the issue I have with the MCU right now. Let's talk about this episode and the entire What If show, from both seasons 1 and 2 shall we? Let's start with Kahhori, gosh I was so excited for this character, it was fully original, had an amazing story and plot points, and was such a good setup that even had the potential to tie up plot holes born from other media like Wanda Vision with Wanda's backstory, that totally alienates the origins of her powers from her brother Pietro. Imagine how cool it would have been if the MCU found a way to show where Pietro got his super speed from and used this, that would have been great, but now I can't look at Kahhori without thinking about this anymore. So where to start with this mess... First off, regarding Kahhori, even if we ignore what was established in her very own origin episode which showcased her struggling to fend off, and failed to defend herself from fucking Spanish cannonballs, that broke through her barrier. At her full power, at MOST should be the equivalent to the space stone itself, since that's where her powers come from. So even if we wank her power to its max, and let's be honest it shouldn't even be at that level yet, but if we're being generous, Wong established in is dialogue in Infinity War that The Big Bang created the infinity stones that govern an aspect of the universe, and since there are only 6 at its MAXIMUM potential, the space stone, and I guess in this case by extension, Kahhori, should be 1/6 Universal in power... ... do understand now why people are confused and upset on why Strange Supreme, who not only captured and imprisoned Infinity Fucking Ultron, who was a full scale Multiversal threat, in mere seconds, and from what this episode established, MANY more individuals of both Hero and Villain alike with power of the same or potentially greater power than even Infinity Ultron, was struggling to seal and contain Kahhori and Peggy...? I won't even chalk this up to girl power or anything like that, this just shouldn't be a thing period from what's been established, at this current point in time, especially with this episode, Strange Supreme should be the most powerful being in the MCU multiverse by a good long shot. So no, those two shouldn't be able to do shit, especially when you consider the fact that even more powerful people than them failed to do so against Strange, in fact they were barely able to stop him even when amped by every artifact in the MCU multiverse, save for The Book of Vishanti and The Dark Hold. And you mean to tell me they were able to fend off Strange...? The funny thing is they technically didn't even do it, since at the end Strange just refused to fly, teleport, or do anything to get out from saving himself which I guess was to do the right thing, which if it was done better I could accept that. But why I have an issue with even that is because the only reason this is happening is because they character assassinated the shit out of him by removing the development he got from the last season finale, grief is not the get out of jail free card. They did the same shit with Wanda, who at the end of Endgame, from her talk with Clint was shown to be at peace with Vision, and then made her go through the same shit but even worse in Wanda Vision, showing that she in fact learned nothing, and then the end of even that show where she tries to get her kids back shows she leaned nothing again as shown in Multiverse of Madness. (Man they really hoed my man strange out of a movie with that one) The writers have to stop removing or nullifying character development and creating inconsistencies for the sake of these dumbass plots, and make real, genuine stakes that don't interfere with characters and the greater universe that's been established, cause otherwise you get shit like this that starts off amazing, and has so much potential, only to drop it when it counts.

[@sijia.4198]

Couldnt have said it an y better bro

[@joemolina3467]

And here I was thinking Dr. Strange was catching some feels for pegs 🥰

[@chrisrobinson711]

totally agree that using strange as the big bad was bizarre and lazy

[@keyblox925]

I think a lot of people are overreacting over this because you could see Aunty the end of season two stranger wasn’t completely changed. He still wasn’t happy you could see he was sad, so it’s not a giant leap to think that he could become evil again or be consumed by vengeance, which is what happened.

[@THEShoky]

So taking what is likely the most selfish version of strange that has literally absorbed demons into himself for power, kept him alone to babysit the other greatest evils in the multiverse and him backsliding doesn't make sense? Hes stronger than gods and he knows the Watcher won't stop him. Now, could there have been more after credits showing him going universe to universe "collecting"? Yeah. Would've fleshed it out more.

[@winstenonline]

I'm almost certain that gladiator hulk is from World War hulk comic.

[@deadpoolnerd]

I feel the episode could've been better had Strange actually been bearing that penance. Capturing universe destroyers overlooking them. But it's revealed he's taking in anyone deemed a possible threat. Wanting so bad to compensate for his failure in his universe, he's blinded to see the good out there trusting others with that level of power he had. And then someone actually does escape and tries to gain all that multiversal power. And it's Strange redeeming himself from his actions alongside Peggy and Kahorti. Whoever escaped breaks orbs freeing villains, and Strange breaks orbs himself freeing heroes from this season as they fend the line. They win and as a reward Strange can bring back his universe, but still chooses not to exist in it. So now without a universe to call home he works with Peggy and The Watcher going to what's next.

[@nleo9166]

This is exactly why I am letting my Disney + subscription to expire, I only had it for Loki. This just showed me no matter how much time and effort they put in what they produce is bad or not worth watching. This just pissed me off. I watched it every morning. I was hoping to see her arc with Spain but they skipped that, it’s so frustrating!

[@christophersimms9785]

The What If finale has created the perfect opportunity to have a misplaced Peggy Carter taking the scenic route back home as she comes across Steve Rogers traveling and replacing the infinity stones. It would not break canon if the Peggy Carter at the end of Endgame was Captain Carter!

[@davect01]

That was intense if a bit Strange

[@AllGreyEverything]

In my mind, Strange tricked Kahhori(and possibly others) into helping him kidnap some of his victims. He could've shown her the bleak future we find her in, and then led her to believe that removing certain people from the board would save the universe. Her whole mission was liberation, and he could've easily used that against her.

[@juusoveikkowestside]

COMBO LIKE HIT

[@animeslave20]

I think the point is that grief comes in waves just like with Wanda in multiverse of madness. You can reach acceptance in your grief and still go backwards. He had consumed multiple baddies including a good Stephen Strange

[@FreddyKurganNimmo]

8:33 - That was The Collector, *not* The Grand Master

[@muhammadtaseen4176]

So...they turned one of the best characters into a cheap villain who was defeated by a person with shield throwing powers..............

[@Alex-tq1qr]

Marvel keeps finding ways to divide its own fanbase, by repeating mistakes that divided the fanbase. Khahoori can do everything, including wield magical weapons she has no reason to know how to wield. Peggy is suddenly even MORE overpowered than that, somehow. "Somehow, Palpatine returned." And Strange Supreme is outgunned and outmatched by these two as if he doesn't have centuries of superior abilities. They were doing so well with this season. Seriously.

[@Davi_L]

The finale may have been a letdown but episodes 6-8 were some of the best Marvel content so far

[@unreeeal493]

Strange's arc just went to the ground. So disappointing. I thought he was recruiting powerful beings for another threat. In my head, I thought he was being corrupted and since his power is so vast. It could damage the multiverse. Do while his senses are intact, he gathers other beings to form a team to beat 'himself' and therefore protect the multiverse.

[@Peacemaker2024-A9T]

I am not upset about Strange's betrayal, i could see Strange's betrayal coming miles away, if you learned anything from doctor strange 2 is that with great power comes great power hungry bad guys and they repeat that loop from America to Scarlet Witch, to Kahhori to Supreme strange. Also if you read the plot from disney plus about this episode it says, the greatest threat to all existence is closer than captain carter thinks, which usually means the betrayal of a friend, the biggest clue of all was that Supreme Strange, he had nothing left to lose.

[@jamericanjesus]

Thank God a familiar voice off vacation

[@paulinlongbeach]

What a great season. Enjoyed all of them.

[@Marvelousgamer7697]

Agreed!

[@kelanbrown3935]

How what if is better than the Cinematic MCU is wild. This and Loki being the best things MCU put out since infinity war

[@joemolina3467]

Did the watcher know all along ? He had too yet didn’t intervene directly ?

[@edriemerced634]

The "New" Guardians of the Multiverse will be: Winter Soldier (Reality Stone) Hela (Goddess of Freedom) Quicksilver 3 Infinity Stones (Mind, Power, and Soul) Kahhori (Powers of the Tesseract) Nebula (Nova Corp Dectective) Peter Quill (Celestial Powers) New Members replacement Season 1: Namor (T'Challa Star Lord) Moon Knight (Killmonger)

[@sagarvishe3463]

Will be ? If there were such team as that there was chance at the end on s2

[@edriemerced634]

Season 3 will come out soon... Will See

[@arthurnolan7457]

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE GREEN GLOWY SWORD IS THAT HULK TOSSES TO PEGGY ??????

[@J.O.R.D]

I loved seeing familiar faces, and the stories I didn’t think would be good, actually were, I just thought personally it was too much off a season one retread, I heard this season was taking from phases 3 and 4 so I expected more from it, but like I said, not complaining about seeing old faces and this was still a great season

[@ajrestivo]

Also! if strange is the only one that fell into the forge. how was that enough to restart his universe without him??

[@MagicCityMayhem]

Secret Wars vibes. Wonder if this will be how they do it.

[@_Xying_]

It was a perfect episode for me, 9/10 from me

[@akir7582]

I believe the season could have benefited from one more episode but the fact that they went above and beyond and gave everyone O P abilities makes it fun because what they do in animation they wouldn't dare do in live action

[@jezmoz3977]

I love at the end(you'll get it if you watch Loki s2)

[@kang6914]

Can’t wait for season 3

[@ShubhamKumar-re4zv]

How she can hold all the infinity stones in her hand? Any explanations.

[@lexruptor]

What If... Spider-Man wasn't Peter Parker? - A Multiversal What If... in which we witness a different Multiverse entirely, one in which Peter Parker is not Spider-Man in any universe, with someone new getting the role for the very first time in that whole Multiverse, completely new mythos and so on. I don't know if Uatu can peer into other Multiverses in the Omniverse though, so idk if it could happen.

[@anmolsrivastava1206]

It's like Marvel is tying lose ends by covering strange supreme so no asks where is strange supreme

[@SurlockGnomez]

The last one was a massive cluster fk for sure. Should have been entitled: What if Marvel didn't learn their character lessons from Wanda Vision and Multiverse of Madness.

[@GVNSaiYashwanth]

Episode is nice but is that caps shield is infinite stronger than multiverse makes no sense