What If Sirius HAD Been the Secret Keeper? | Harry Potter Film Theory

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Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to answer the question: What If Sirius HAD Been the Secret Keeper? Would the Potters have survived? Would Voldemort have fallen? Would Harry even be the chosen one?!
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[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

What if.....

[@SonOfDathomire]

That should be a Harry Potter show

[@TheDrexLord]

What of aria Dumbledore never died

[@FromRussiaWithLuv007]

a pragerU ad never ran on youtube

[@ZainZaferZZ]

Peter Petigrue (or however you spell it) never gave up the Potter’s location.

[@ZainZaferZZ]

Or what if snape never heard the prophecy

[@devmodi6935]

We should thank the Supercarlin brothers for giving us Harry Potter WHAT IF

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

Our Pleasure!

[@RyanBischoffPercussion]

Yes! More WHAT IF

[@gibbsterV]

​ @SuperCarlinBrothers Disney isn't giving us What If...? Season 2 quick enough so the Carlin brothers are taking their job

[@irishuisman1450]

meanwhile I just finished watching one of The Sega Scourge's Sonic What If's xD

[@earnestbrown6524]

@@SuperCarlinBrothers One of you needs to shave their head and start wearing a white and blue toga.

[@likeaboss6715]

I've always wandered why James wasn't the secret keeper(like bill in deathly hallows) this would mean Voldemort would have to find James to get in but to find James he would have to get in it creates a paradox

[@TotalRobloxDrama17]

Ron and Luna 😊

[@maicoljaviercabreravasquez1554]

There's the theory that it wasn't the house, but rather James and Lily themselves who were locked under the spell. Bill was the secret keeper of his house (like it happened with Grimmauld Place), but what Wormtail was keeping was the Potters (like, their souls or bodies). That would explain why after Voldemort's fall, Hagrid could find Harry.

[@youdontknowme236]

@@maicoljaviercabreravasquez1554 make Harry secret keeper. He couldn't even talk at the time

[@RyanStudio]

@@youdontknowme2362000iq play

[@Inkyminkyzizwoz]

​@@youdontknowme236There is a theory that the Secret Keeper has to be CAPABLE of revealing the secret if they choose, hence why wizards don't use creatures that can't speak a human language, or house elves, who could simply be forbidden by their masters to reveal the secret

[@col10s]

One problem with Neville being the chosen one: Lily’s sacrifice only work because she didn’t have to die she chose to, and Voldemort had no reason to spare either of Neville‘s parents therefore they wouldn’t be able to choose to die. So how then would the sacrifice be enough to protect Neville?

[@mrs.manrique7411]

Parallel unwritten story: an unknown death eater was in love with one of Neville’s parents and requested that Voldie spare him/her.

[@Xynth22]

The point is more that fate will get in the way and something will stop Voldemort from actually killing Neville, as Voldemort is destined to mark one child, and then for them to battle it out later. It is just that Harry was able to do this, and end up winning, thanks to Lily's sacrifice.

[@NaoyaYami]

I know many like to say that Neville could also been chosen by prophecy, but the simple fact is that he wasn't. The most important part of it was that Voldemort would mark Harry as his equal - Voldemort choosing Harry was pre-written in the prophecy itself. There was never a choice or different possibility. Ignoring that part is like changing the month of Chosen One's birth to something other than July (that would mean Harry wouldn't qualify).

[@christianrose9166]

@@NaoyaYami The prophecy doesn't state WHO the chosen one is, only the circumstances around them, which actually do fit Harry AND Neville. The requirement is that Voldemort then choose one and mark them as his equal, an act that he WILL do, according to the prophecy, but again, the matter of who isn't stated. The only things mentioned in regard to who he would choose are the circumstances under which they would be born, and no clear name was given. Effectively, if Voldemort had no other option than to hunt down the Longbottoms, then Neville would, in fact become the chosen one, due to the nature of the prophecy. TL;DR: The prophecy was slightly open-ended, allowing for the chosen one to be either of the choices available to Voldemort, and if Voldemort's hand was forced, Neville would have become the chosen one.

[@NaoyaYami]

@@christianrose9166 No, Voldemort marked Harry as his equal because he heard (part) of prophecy. This is what's called self-fullfilling prophecy, meaning it only comes to pass because relevant people become aware of it (kinda like the story about Oedip). Voldemort didn't choose, because he didn't know there were 2 children that fit the description. Potters were also only hiding because they knew Voldemort would come after Harry. It all only happened because Snape heard Trelawney that one time.

[@danielrigel5715]

The scariest implication of what you said regarding secret keepers is that ole Voldy could have hidden a horcrux, forced someone to become a secret keeper for it, and then immediately murdered them, leaving it unfindable. The perfect defense.

[@Julian-pw5mv]

He could be the secret keeper himself.

[@asuraofwrath]

@@Julian-pw5mv but then the one who he marks as his equal could find it as horcuxes would be considered secrete keepers to when he could just kill one of his follows and have it forever lost and be immortal

[@Julian-pw5mv]

@@asuraofwrath yeah but he didn't know that would happen

[@asuraofwrath]

@@Julian-pw5mv yea but its still a risk he would have to take versus guaranteed immortality for example someone could put him under the imperious curse or something

[@Cailus3542]

Not quite. The magic of the Fidelius charm resides in the Secret Keeper. If there are no living Secret Keepers, the charm breaks.

[@laurenbrinsfield2614]

Ok so interesting possibility and hear me out. Sirius writes to Lily while the Potters are in hiding, ergo he's in on the secret (not sure how owl post works here. Do you need to be in on the secret to send an owl? Let's just assume you do.) In this case, obviously James and Lily have allowed Peter to tell Sirius where they are. If Sirius was the secret keeper, they probably would have instructed the other way around, had Sirius tell Peter. Therefore what I think would happen is Peter is like "Hey Voledemort. I know where the Potters are. I'm not the secret keeper so I can't tell you. But I can tell you who the secret keeper is. It would be a shame if he were to die." Voldemort kills Sirius, Peter becomes a secret keeper, and now the only immediate change is that Hagrid has to find a different way to get Harry to the Dursleys. Oh and I guess book 3 is very different.

[@magic8ball1982]

I was just about to day this. I was under the impression that aside from James, Lily and Peter, there were 4 people "in" on the secret: Sirius, Remus, Dumbledore and Bathilda Bagshot.

[@laurenbrinsfield2614]

@@magic8ball1982 yeah there were definitely other people in on it

[@luciemanson2546]

You don't need to be in on the secret to send an owl. Harry sends plenty of owls to Ron, Hermione and Sirius at the start of the fifth book, before he's told the location of Headquarters.

[@laurenbrinsfield2614]

@@luciemanson2546 good point. I didn't think of that

[@magic8ball1982]

@@luciemanson2546 Bathilda Bagshot, however, had actually visited them. I can't imagine James and Lily letting her in on the secret without letting Sirius, Lupin and Dumbledore in.

[@misskat2817]

Actually we know Pettigrew was in the Potter's house on at least one acassion because of Lily's letter, which means he is under the fidelius charm, so if Snape or Voldemort had killed Sirius and Lupin, then Pettigrew would have been a secret keeper and have told Voldemort, probably making everything go the same minus the plot for the Prisoner of Azkaban and Dumbledore said that not all profecy's come true, which could mean that Voldemort doesn't have to mark them as his equal if he never finds them. Anddd if Voldemort hunts down Neville, Snape wouldn't ask Voldemort to spare his mother, would he? So because Alice Longbottom would of never had the choice to get out of the way, Neville and his family (probably) would have all died, having no one as the chosen one.

[@thebuddercweeper]

Him being there could've been a direct result of him being secret keeper, there's no guarantee he'd have been allowed to visit if they had made Sirius the secret keeper.

[@misskat2817]

@@thebuddercweeper oh yeah that's true, especially since they thought that someone was the spy, I was going off of Grimald Place. But I would hope that they would of still gotten some visitors, the letter already said that James was restless. Hopefully some visitors would of cheered him up. Did it say that Bathilda Bagshot visited?

[@cayle1972]

@@misskat2817 they thought the spy was lupin, no one thought Peter had the guts to be a spy

[@peradabanbaruindonesia1546]

@@cayle1972 this is sad. Because even his best friend for years didn't trust him. Just because he's a werewolf.

[@inkaviolet]

@@peradabanbaruindonesia1546 I believe it was more than just being werewolf. They didn't see each other very often, Remus went on strange secret missions, they were still quite young and anxious about the war around - so very prone to rash judgment. Maybe they thought werewolves convinced him to their way of life? Maybe Voldemort found out something only Remus knew (but in reality Snape or Pettigrew heard it in secret)? We really don't know, and since it wasn't even mentioned on Pottermore, I guess we won't know, unless HBO really will make new show - tbh, even remake in form of series might be opportunity to explain it.

[@madethistocomment727]

I always thought Sirius knew exactly how the Fidelius charm worked. They were suspicious of a spy in the order by that point, but didn't know who it was. If the secret keeper is killed, everyone he has told, possibly including the spy, would then become the secret keeper. That's what Sirius was worried about. He didn't fear that he would ever give up the secret. He wasn't afraid of being killed or tortured for himself. He knew that that was a possibility regardless. He worried that, upon his death, the secret would be out.

[@elderscrollsswimmer4833]

Or, since one incident involving full moon, Lupin and James saving Snape after Sirius spilled how to pass the Willow to Snape he might not entirely trust himself to keep secrets. Torture? fine. Threats? fine. Something Snape did to get him to spill? NOT fine. If Snape didn't do something to poke the info out of him, why would he ever trust it? He's still able to push Sirius' buttons as he pleases! So...

[@madethistocomment727]

@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 I thought he spilled that secret in purpose because he knew Snape was always trying to follow them and wanted to scare him.

[@elderscrollsswimmer4833]

@@madethistocomment727 Or, in other words, Snape annoyed him so much he spilled. He's very good at annoying Sirius, isn't he? That was a very important secret though -- something that seriously damaged the relationship of Sirius and Remus along with Sirius' confidence in his ability to keeping secrets!

[@madethistocomment727]

@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 that would not be "in other words" because it's a different scenario entirely. One where he deliberately told with a purpose in mind, and one where he spilled as an outburst from being annoyed. It's also possible, but I'm more inclined to believe what my initial comment said. If Sirius spilled the secret UNINTENTIONALLY because he was "so annoyed," that would have been by a type of coercion. The way the fidelius charm works is that the person cannot be tortured or coersed. He/or she has to want to give up the info. No matter how annoyed he may be, Sirius would never want to do that. There was no Fidelius charm around Lupin's secret so he could be annoyed into it, but I don't think that is a possibility in this case.

[@bootsmcbobble1886]

Came here to say pretty much this!

[@MysteriousMissZee]

I re-read the books recently and something that stood out to me so starkly is that in the 7th book all the Weasleys have to go into hiding once Ron is discovered with Harry at Malfoy Manor - but when Bill tells Harry about this, he says that Arthur is the secret keeper for all the family at Muriel's and he's the secret keeper for him and Fleur at Shell Cottage BUT that completely goes against the Fidelius Charm rule of no inhabitant as their own secret keeper. It bugs me so much when JK messes up on her own details like this, but to make it less of a painfully dumb author error I just headcannon that Bill said it the wrong way around. Ofc Arthur is keeper for the cottage, and Bill is keeper for Muriel's. Bill just rushed the words and got confused I guess.

[@henryguillen806]

When was that a rule? Like, when was it established?

[@drewpearce1383]

How about if Lupin has been the secret keeper, he was just as devoted to the potter as Sirius plus him being a werewolf means people probably wouldn't try to talk to him. Yes i get that people weren't trusting werewolves at that time but in my opinion the fact that James trusted Lupin might have helped Sirius get over his own trust issues towards Remus

[@tacoclaus8168]

Well, I think even sirius trusted remus, after all, he did help with the hiding of his secret, became an animagus, and made the marauders map with him

[@ylvadahlstrom1628]

@@tacoclaus8168 That was before the war. When the war hit a lot of werewolves were being turned to Voldy's side and they say in the book that even though they trusted him it was too dangerous to risk Lupin becoming secret keeper. There was also a bigger risk of Lupin dying just for being a werewolf and thus making everyone who was told secret keeper.

[@drewpearce1383]

@@ylvadahlstrom1628 I agree there is the risk of Remus being killed simply because he's a werewolf but as J pointed out in the video if the secret keeper dies with out telling anyone then no one would actually be able to find the potters plus even if Remus hasn't told anyone it's possible Sirius would become secret keeper as he already knew the location of the potters since James and Lily made him Harry's godfather

[@modestasrimkus7279]

I think in the books was said that in that moment when they wanted to perfom fidelius charm lupin was far away with some kind of order of the pheonix mission so sirius suggested to trust petigrew then

[@AsmoFrog]

I forever believe that Dumbledore went to Sirius and was like "you dude, you should totally give Peter the secret keeper duties" as he probably planned this whole thing to begin with

[@emmetthenry1373]

Then let Sirius sit in Azkaban for over a decade knowing he's innocent?

[@AsmoFrog]

@@emmetthenry1373 I mean he used Harry, his plan was for Harry to die anyways. Dumbledore would risk anything to save the majority

[@k.barbossa]

he couldn't possibly know about the sacrifice magic though... his big plan was only born when he found out about the connection between Harry and Voldemort.

[@AsmoFrog]

@@k.barbossa I was mainly being sarcastic cuz Dumbledore always makes these elaborate plans LOL

[@scottcamuto8410]

Its all part of dumbledores child endangerment plan

[@zacobyz4431]

I love this style of video and you executed it amazingly! Would love to see more. I wonder if the spell would have backfired if Voldy had gone after Neville, because Snape wouldn't have asked for him to spare Frank or Alice, so Frank or Alice wouldn't have had the opportunity to make the decision to sacrifice themselves for their son. I also wonder how anyone would have found James or Lily in this scenario, if they'd stayed in their house, but who knows, maybe they went out for fresh air. Again, love it!

[@SonOfDathomire]

The fact that Sirius didn’t say dumbledore is just mind boggling

[@haniapopowska8966]

Maybe he felt it was a family affair. Not important enough to bring the founder of the Order himself into it.

[@charlottep1057]

Nah I think by that point Sirius would have grown to distrust Dumbledore, and seen through his kind wise man act and instead seen him as someone who is manipulating everyone around him for his own agenda, and effectively raising children to fight in his war. Sirius wouldn't have trusted that Dumbedore wouldnt just give the Potters up for "the greater good" if the time came

[@EdsonR13]

The guy who groomed Harry like a lamb for slaughter? Dumbledore would have told voldemort where they were just to fast track the whole mark him as his equal bit 😂

[@SonOfDathomire]

@@charlottep1057 that’s a really good point

[@johnkoser3840]

This is one that’s been in my head since your Dumbledore’s Big Plan series. What if Sirius had gotten to Harry and transformed into a human before Harry called the Knight Bus?

[@ylvadahlstrom1628]

Yes, PLEASE!

[@Cbell14-]

Omg yes!!!

[@madio7237]

that's an AWSOME idea!

[@oliviabolger2690]

I just read a fanfic where this happened. Incomplete though

[@ivana_422]

@@oliviabolger2690 pasa el fanfic compa

[@jmalatis]

Would love to see other “what if’s” on secret keepers - maybe just as one video: Lupin, Dumbledore, Petunia, Aberforth, Bathilda, etc.

[@starwarsenby16]

I'm calling it now, this theory will be Siriusly good (I make no apologies for this joke)

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

No apology necessary

[@foodofthegods]

*get out* just kidding you can stay

[@teamjones8]

It’s a siriulsy good joke

[@ZainZaferZZ]

Why. Just why

[@littlefoot5013]

I have a dozen what ifs: 1.) What if Snape hadn't called Lily Evans "Mudblood" and had ended up marrying her instead of James, thus becoming Harry's father? (This is a wildcard, as it would be him dueling Voldemort instead of James, plus, in this scenario, he almost certainly NEVER became a Death Eater, meaning that Voldemort may not have gotten the bit of the Prophecy that Snape overheard, unless he'd have Peter or someone do that job instead.) 2.) What if Arianna Dumbledore's had never been tortured, meaning Albus Dumbledore had a more normal childhood and never partnered with Grindelwald? 3.) What if Grindelwald had killed Dumbledore in the famous duel? (Would he stop Voldermort's rise to power, not being in his own jail? Would Voldermort come and kill him? (I can see him offering Voldermort an alliance, as they had similar goals, but while Grindelwald clearly didn't mind having a partner in crime, Voldermort clearly likes working alone and so I think he'd turn him down. Also, with Dumbledore dead, would Hogwarts fall to one or the other of the Dark Lords? Would Grindelwald have a change of heart some point later, perhaps to Voldermort becoming more powerful than him and also perhaps seeing the error of his ways, and perhaps be a mentor to Harry instead of Dumbledore?) 4.) What if Hagrid had given Harry to Sirius after the death of Lily and James? Would Sirius still have gone after Pettigrew with his best friend's son in tow or would he have tried a different tactic (like going to Dumbledore to tell of Peter's treachery rather than being hot-headed and seeking Peter himself, risking Harry being killed in a possible duel between him and Peter))? 5.) What if Petunia Dursley had a change of heart of her stance on anti-magic and all after her sister's murder and had given Harry the letter and been kinder to him? How would Harry's story have been different if he wasn't abused by the Dursley's? Would Petunia and Vernon have divorced or would he too have mellowed out toward Harry and the magical world? 6.) What if Peter had been caught (perhaps Snape hadn't been knocked out and his extra presence was enough to capture Peter) and Peter was either Kissed or sent to Azkaban (thus foiling Trawlaney's prophecy (BTW, I think in Book 5 Dumbledore states that loads of Prophecies in the Hall of Prophecy ended up NEVER happening, so it's possible that Trawlaney's doesn't either, or that some other servant, perhaps Barty Crouch Jr, who if you recall was still alive, somehow got free of his father's imperius curse sooner (he was getting closer to it at that point anyway, if you recall from Book 4) and simply found Voldermort and took the role of Pettigrew. After all, in a way, he too was "chained" for twelve years, first literally in Azkaban and later to his father under the Imperius Curse. Ths, the prophecy could still have been fulfilled that night anyway even with Peter's capture.) Would Harry living with his godfather instead of the Dursley's have changed anything? Would Sirius have not died in this case, perhaps not having to be so cooped up as he would be a free man here, hopefully (though it's possible Fudge would have tried to get rid of Sirius ANYWAY to save face rather than go explain to the press that they spent all of those resources chasing the WRONG man.) 7.) What if Harry and Hermoine had been caught in book 3, granted AFTER rescuing Sirius, but clearly where they'd be implicated for his escape? Granted, I can see Dumbledore taking the fall here like he did in book 5 in the Centaur and the Sneak, especially as here, unlike in book 5, he actually DID conspire with Harry to do it, but that still creates a new situation, possibly with someone like Umbridge being appointed by the Ministry to replace Dumbledore as the new headmaster in book 4. Also, evne if not expelled, Harry's every move would be watched by the Ministry, meaning he could NEVER make contact, even in the fireplace or whatever, with Sirius. 8.) What if Horcrux Tom Riddle had succeeded in killing Harry and taking the life force from Ginny? Would this have returned the 60+ year old Voldemort, perhaps as his 16 year old self, or would there now be TWO Voldemorts, one a 16 year old and the other still in his sixties but wihtout his body and most of his powers gone? 9.) What if Hagrid had NEVER been expelled? Suppose that Tom Riddle was never able to catch him with Aragog and ended up having to frame someone else or something for Myrtles death, meaning that Hagrid graduated at the end of his seventh year and didn't have such a sucky childhood (i.e. losing his father, losing his giantess mother when he was little, being expelled, etc) and instead was able to use magic and also never went to Azkaban in Book 2, having never been framed by Riddle? 10.) What if Mad Eye Moody have never been killed in the Battle of the Seven Potters? How do you think his survival in the last book and possible addition to the Battle of Hogwarts would have changed things? 11.) What if Fudge had not used the Dementor on Barty Crouch Jr. but had instead done the right thing and used his testimony of Voldemort's return and told people the truth? Would the lack of an extra year of preparation have stopped Voldemort's takeover of the Ministry in Deathly Hallows or would it still have happened anyway? 12.) What if Kreature had been able to save REgulas Black (I think he could have apparated Regulus out of that cave as well)? Would his surivla have perhaps changed Mrs. Black's view on Sirius and Voldmoert after him revealing who Voldemort REALLY was to her? Would anyway else have learned about the Horcruxes, possibly even enusirng that enough were destroyed that Voldermort's defeat in Godrick's Hallow was his actual death?

[@darthseverus89]

I've considered this before my compliments to the super carlins for this upload

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

Enjoy!

[@clintonsharpe9242]

One would love to see more what if content. Two questions the first one: Is it possible for Sirius to have lived with Lilly and James and still been their Secret Keeper? And second, If eventually Voldemort would have hunted down Neville as the other likely candidate and Snape was already a spy for Dumbledore, wouldn't Dumbledore having received such information from Snape; being in good confidence with Voldemort had hidden them under the same charm and simply use Neville's grandmother as a Secret Keeper?

[@mclovin7694]

You should do a what if...if Voldemort had targeted James and Lilly first instead of Harry then simply walked out.

[@NerdyBernie66]

What if Lupin/Sirius stupified Peter in Prisoner of Askaban to take him to the dementors?

[@lindamazule2289]

Well, the full Moon would still be in there, causing Lupin to become a Werewolf, and the Dementors would still to after Sirius, so with both protectors disabled, I think Wormtail would still regain concuousness, transform into a rat, and run for his Life... 🤔

[@archaiahp]

@@lindamazule2289 I think before he would regain his consciousness Harry and Hermione would guard him so I think it's possible that they would just petrify him again. But still, all the commotion. Who knows ;)

[@elderscrollsswimmer4833]

@@lindamazule2289 Maybe conjure a cage and have him STAY a rat in it until say, McGonagall forces the return transformation in the Great Hall. Tabby Cat is very much capable of keeping an eye on a rat, I'd say. Not to mention Mrs. Norris, Crookshanks and other cats along with the owls -- you're not getting away. From Ministry custody later, though...

[@surajsridhar1701]

@@lindamazule2289 have snape harry hermuione sirus black perform a body bind or create aan illusion that they are werewolfs simple

[@James_Wisniewski]

A better question is what would have happened if James himself was the secret keeper. I mean, we literally see Bill do that in Deathly Hallows, so we know its possible, and so would anyone skilled enough to cast the Fidelius charm.

[@lunathurrgood]

This “What if..” style of video if FASCINATING. Love it, one hundred million percent. Please do more.

[@zachw28]

This is a really fun idea for a series. Definitely do more of them. I've always thought about what if Peter Pettigrew hadn't escaped in Prisoner of Azkaban. Harry could've lived with Sirius and never see the Dursleys again. Voldemort may not have returned

[@jackbland3406]

That little compilation at the start and still the one that gives me the most chills is umbridge and I'm watching oftp rn lol

[@austinwilburn1772]

Just 1 thing that caught my attention. The spell doesn’t protect the Potters, just the information of their location. So it’s still possible to hunt them down by 3rd parties, scouts, guesses, etc.

[@AbstractlyDelen]

Questions- Relistening to Ollivander tell Harry about how the phoenix that gave his feather, only gave 1 other, it got me thinking. Is there a special process the feather has to go through to be a wand core? Couldn’t they take any feather the bird molts to use as the core? "so we all know that it could either have been Harry or Neville, but Voldemort went after Harry. Did Neville ever find out that it could have been him, or was he blissfully unaware?" How do people go missing in Quidditch?

[@elderscrollsswimmer4833]

I think they are special ones given by the phoenix. (Willingly given IS a thing here; that's the only way you can get any). Like -- you can have several people hang onto the tail feathers of a phoenix for transport (so no, you can't just yank one off unlike unicorn tail hair and they will kick anyone daring to do that, of course -- and the molted feathers burn into ashes so the phoenix can be reborn (don't burn yourself there).

[@AbstractlyDelen]

@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 fair enough. I was thinking that animals molt or shed their hair/feathers, so if you walked through the forest and found a unicorn hair, would that work, but I guess not. I’d love to know the full process though. That would be cool to actually see. Maybe in one of the movies coming out in the future, we’ll actually see wands being made. I think that would be cool personally

[@elderscrollsswimmer4833]

@@AbstractlyDelen Well how would Olllivander know which individual unicorn it came from if he just picked it from the forest? I think he said something about the stallion he collected the hair in Cedric's wand from kicking him... To Harry the day he bought his -- the phoenix gave one other feather.

[@AbstractlyDelen]

@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 oh I’m not saying Ollivander was just trash picking through the forest and found some Unicorn hair. I’m just more asking like, if someone came across a unicorn hair in the forest, COULD that be used to make a wand, or is there a special ceremony to collect the hair/feather/heartstrings

[@elderscrollsswimmer4833]

@@AbstractlyDelen I figure the dragon he gets them from is dead or otherwise unaware he does it. A unicorn kicking you is one thing, a living dragon annoyed at you quite another. Mind, I figure Fleur's grandmother gave the hair freely. Possibly the rosewood was growing in the family back yard and possibly her wand was made by a family member if not Fleur herself.

[@heylolp9]

I always wondered if it's possible to hide the information that someone is the secret keeper behind the fidelius aswell Like could James have been the secret keeper for the secret that Peter is the Secret keeper? Because that way the Secret keeper can't unilaterally pass on the secret because they couldn't say it. It's even said that people who knew the secret before forget after the fidelius is performed so you could literally hide the secret of the fidelius charm even from the actual secret keeper sorry if that doesn't make sense basically my question is, is two step verification an option for the fidelius charm

[@BoKnowsDiddly]

But that’s assuming that Sirius never told anyone. The people in his circle of trust like Lupin and Peter would have been told. Then when Sirius died, they would have become secret keepers and Peter would have “ratted” out the Potters and the whole scenario would play out as normal.

[@stephaniebachman397]

According to "the author"? Come on guys. It should be reasonable to say her name. She did create the Wizarding World we love. Don't be afraid of backlash to the point of ridiculous censorship.

[@isaacgruver7061]

This leaves room open for a movie where Snape slowly gets rid of the people he doesn't like by telling Voldemort that they're connected to the Potters in some way

[@TheDeadGunslinger]

Something I noticed while going over all the magical family trees. Harry is blood related to the Weasleys.. that whole "he has to be raised in the home of his family to keep his mother's protection" thing, would of still applied if he lived with the Weasleys..

[@othello_red]

As for where Harry goes - I suggest one of the Black sisters, either Andromeda or Narcissa. It’s been a while so I can’t recall how closely Harry himself would’ve been with them, but as Sirius was his godfather, Sirius’ blood family would have some sense.

[@minyoongi007]

This alternative plot is so much fun to listen to. So good and so imaginative

[@bluejayblaze6887]

Okay, randomly started watching all the Harry Potter theories recently despite originally not being the biggest fan of the franchise. When the title of the video was said, I started quoting Sirius' "I would have died before betraying my friend," only to hear that actual quote. Long overdue subscription earned :)

[@nhansen197]

In this scenario, just how long could the Potters live in isolation? I can honestly see a situation where James has had enough of hiding out and ends up spilling the secret himself down at the local pub.

[@ellieschroeder7669]

The only reason Harry was saved was because Lily had the choice to move but didn't. Snape had asked Voldemort to spare her so instead of killing Lily instantly, he told her to move. Snape wouldn't have asked Voldemort to spare Neville's parents so the whole family would have been killed. Basically everything that already happened would still happen but Harry would just be attacked by Voldemort much later in his life.

[@danielgallegos3013]

I came here looking for this!

[@peradabanbaruindonesia1546]

Yes. Neville and his whole family will die. But the potter may or may not will get killed. Voldy may just think he beat the prophecy already.

[@carla05cw]

I just died laughing on the montage with a bunch of monsters and then umbridge lol. I mean, it was accurate, but hilarious that she's on the same level as a dragon and a giant snake that petrifies people.

[@DiePersoon]

14:25 I thought you were gonna says the Malfoys

[@cameronhodgetts920]

I like the idea of this kind of video. May I humbly suggest for the next one... What if Snape didn't hate Harry and was actually an ally to him?

[@claravega_]

1:28 wasn't expecting that 😂😂

[@mazvirataaja9397]

I don't think Dumbledore would give Harry to the Weaslies. He barly knew them. There were many people in the order who would gladly take Harry in and that Dumbledore trusted more.

[@neonxvices]

the intro reminds me of the lyric, “if one thing had been different, would everything be different today?”

[@Saezimmerman]

“These kids could not catch a break” Me: These kids would have had some serious PTSD.

[@Saezimmerman]

I guess I always assumed that the Longbottoms were also in hiding until Voldemort disappeared. It’s been so long since I read the books that I’m not sure that’s spelled out.

[@cjg8763]

That DH2 Voldemort laugh ALWAYS cracks me up! 😆😆😆

[@sarahkridenoff3293]

I actually thought of a "what if" on Monday. While rereading book six again, I was wondering what would have happened if Harry never had the Halfblood Prince's book? He would have never won the lucky potion. How would he have gotten the memory from Slughorn? Is it as simple as Hermione winning it and giving him some? Also, would Ron have been kicked off the Quidditch team?

[@Nancydrew301]

In that scenario with the Weasleys, Harry would have had that Gringotts bank vault. His life really would have been completely different

[@alisonremusandlil]

I love this format! I would love to see more What if videos :) I also think you should do Voldemort's Big Plan book by book the way you did for Dumbledore.

[@alam5055]

My thinking is that if Sirius was the secret keeper, he would still tell Pettigrew about Potters location. Because in original storyline there also were some people who knew it, Sirius among them - for example in Lily's letter, she asks him if he can visit them to cheer James up, so he must've known. So in analogical situation, Sirius would tell the secret to Pettigrew too (since they trusted him completely, otherwise they wouldn't agree to make him the secret keeper in the original storyline). With that in mind, I think everything would play out really similar to the original storyline. Voldemort would hunt Sirius and when Sirius dies, everyone who knew the secret becomes the secret keeper, including Wormtail so then Wormtail can tell the location to Voldemort just as he did originally. The rest of the story plays out exactly the same, except for Sirius death

[@LovingBeingNatural1]

I loved this what if. If you have more ideas around this please do this. The one thing that I saw I. This theory is that after Dumbledore’s death Arthur Weasley say that all the people Dumbledore told the secret to become secret keeper. It’s why the order think it’s no longer safe to use Grim Old Place as headquarters. So if Sirius if secret keeper, he needs to go into hiding. If Dumbledore was though, Voldemort is still too afraid to attack Dumbledore, so the secret is safe.

[@beaubruin6454]

“Say it with me!” Me: “THE WEASLEYS!!!!!!”

[@annaoffive]

15:08 - I suddenly want that fanfic lol

[@cjg8763]

Showing Umbridge in that montage 😆 so accurate though

[@kukui1679]

one thing that wasnt brought up is whether either of the longbottoms would sacrifice themselves for neville and be able to provide the protection that lily was able to give harry. harry even questions this in the books when he was thinking about how his life could have been different.

[@Dragonxmaster16]

Alternative scenario to this what if. Peter gets Sirius to tell him where the Potters are so that he can visit, Voldemort kills Sirius, Peter tells Voldemort where the Potters are, and then the rest plays out as before, minus Sirius, with Peter as a known traitor and possibly in Azkaban

[@Ellie_amanda]

Honestly theorising about the fidelius charm just raises more questions than ever get answered… what if sirius as a secret keeper dies and lily or james leave the house… do they find back home? Are they part of the charm? How does that work? Are they invisible to everyone if they leave the house or is it only in the house they are safe. Wouldnt then lily and james share the secret keepers knowledge automatically?

[@carly9865]

Would absolutely love a what if… type series, with really whacky and bizarre as well as the more plausible

[@therealspyder680]

Do more what ifs and do What If Dumbuldore was the secret keeper for the potters. In the book he even voluenteers for the position.

[@dunkbuscusgaming7016]

Unfortunately I live in Australia so making it to Austin Texas is pretty unlikely but if you ever do a convention over in Australia I'd definitely come to meet you.

[@lisahenry20]

I think the main problem is lily's protection. It has been a while since I have read or watched the series, but the reason harry survived that night was because lily died to protect him after Snape asked voldemort to spare her. If voldemort didn't have a promise to not kill neville's mum, then wouldn't neville have died to voldemort? To fulfil the "mark him as his equal" in the prophecy could then be metaphorical, or voldemort marks neville's body before, after, or while killing him. I actually quite like the idea of the killing curse, which I'm pretty sure is supposed to kill without leaving a mark, left a mark on neville when voldemort killed him.

[@hackfleischking5162]

I wonder if there is a time limit on the prophecy. If there is another pair fighting back against Voldemord for the third time, would that made another possible candidate for the prophecy or does it only count for those who did it already when the prophecy was made?

[@brad777luck]

NEVIL LONGBOTTOM AND HIS MYSTEROUS REMEMBERALL

[@Mefous2]

6:05 Lily mentions in his letter to Sirius Bathilda Bagshot had visited wouldn't she become a secret keeper?

[@hallowwolf3599]

I feel like if Sirius died as Secret Keeper for the Potters, and there was literally no other people who were "given the secret" before his death, the most likely scenario would be that Harry would be attacked by Voldemort a bit later than he originally was, but Neville probably wasn't. Voldemort was focused on the fact that Harry was a half-blood, and somehow perceived that as a bigger threat than a pureblood wizard. While with the war going on for longer, pretty much all members of the Order become more likely to die early, including Neville's parents, it seems unlikely that Voldemort would single them out. Probably, instead of facing a half-dead Voldy possessing Quirrell, a full-powered Voldemort attacks Hogwarts during Harry's first year, with the intent to finally kill the boy now that he's away from home (as J pointed out, James, Lily, and Harry could theoretically just hide out in their home as much as possible, but once Harry is 11, I doubt James and Lily would want to deny him an education at Hogwarts, and so would choose to rely on Dumbledore to protect him). Not sure what the outcome of this would be. If there was enough warning, maybe James and Lily would go to Hogwarts to help protect Harry, and then Lily might still sacrifice herself for her son, but if not, then maybe Snape would be the one to sacrifice himself for Harry, since he's Lily's son?

[@lolli_popples]

The Weasley’s would also have partial access to Harry’s inheritance. And while I don’t think they relied on it or used very much, they might have at least been a little less poor.

[@TheWitherBear]

Even if you modified it a little bit, it would be really cool to make an entire book by book series of this, just like you did with the Harry in Slytherin series

[@MaxWillsmore-Hutchins]

Question, why didn’t the Weasley use the the extension charm on their house to make in larger?

[@diefty94]

Did you put the "Kya" sound effect when Peter got stuck on the hole at 7:40?

[@hookseybaby]

"Exhibit U" made me LOL

[@moncey1120]

Wouldn't the Potters still be fine though? They'd likely still be hidden by the Fidelus so Bellatrix wouldn't have been able to find them?

[@AriaOnEdge]

alternatively, if they miss that one particular year's birth at the end of the 7th month, it could be every year which ever kid survives, having the number of chosens grow exponentially right?

[@justapersonwithtrauma2947]

A few What If ideas: What if Regulus got out of the cave with the locket and Kreacher? What if Harry wasn't taken by Hagrid and some random wizard took him because they were concerned What if the plot of Hermione having a sister actually happened What if James was unable to save Snape from the Whomping Willow What if Newt was a teacher at Hogwarts What if Dumbledore was killed by the ring first before and Snape wouldn't been able to kill Dumbledore What if Harry 𝘥𝘪𝘥 seek for the Hallows What if Harry did kill Peter Pettigrew in the Shrieking shack

[@PaulJones-br6uv]

Have you ever wondered, Since Pettigrew was the secret keeper and did not die, how did Snape find the house mourn Lily and rescue Harry? Was he with Voldemort when Pettigrew told him the location? Pettigrew could not have old others because then they would have know Sirius was innocent of betraying the Potters or is the idea that Voldemort broke the charm with killing curse.

[@talklein39]

So much fun to get a harry potter vid once more! Please bring us more

[@misamisaa4547]

Iirc the Potters had visits form other marauders while in hiding? Like Sirius got Harry a baby broom for his 1st birthday? Meaning other marauders knew the secret even if they weren't the secret keeper/knew who that was (Harry was told where the order's HQ was via a slip of paper), they would become the secret keepers after Sirius' death & that includes Peter. But maybe they could have someone keep practicing "The Potters are hiding at-" until they can reveal the secret & that's the cue to move places & redo the charm?

[@johnprice4847]

11:43 nope. Neville might've fit most of the description of the prophecy, but the SOLE reason Harry was marked as Voldemort's equal was Snape's love for Lily, because of which he asked Voldemort to spare her, which made Voldemort give her a chance to step aside, which sealed the sacrifice And before saying "voldemort would spare the longbottoms cus they're purebloods", james was one too. Plus, the longbottoms were respected aurors. You know, dark wizard fighters?

[@dylantd9189]

Honestly in either scenario why wasn't Harry raised by Hagrid or McGonagall? Both lived at Hogwarts, which had ample protection, plus both were unlucky in their personal lives and would have both made great parents. Dumbledore could have also kept a closer eye on Harry... I know the lily/petunia protection charm only worked at the Dursleys but if Harry is safe during the school year he should be safe at any point at Hogwarts.

[@BlackAnvil]

Bathilda Bagshot visits the potters while the fildelius charm was in play... Would she become the secret keeper?

[@sophiabbrady]

Thank you for referring to “the author,” I didn’t realize how much I’d appreciate not hearing the TERF’s name!

[@zatar123]

If the Longbottoms were also protected, Then who would have been their secret keeper?

[@ultracharizard7788]

More Sirius content. “What if Sirius raised Harry” this theory revolves around Hagrid agreeing to leave Harry in Sirius’s care when they met, allowing him to fulfill his role as Godfather. Also since he now had the responsibility of raising Harry we would assume he doesn’t try to hunt down Peter for revenge… well not yet anyways.

[@natalierizk2519]

Can you do ‘What If Hagrid wasn’t expelled?’

[@MagusAgrippa8]

It's possible that if the secret keeper dies without telling anyone, then the only ones left who would know would be the people living in the house- ie James, Lily, and Harry.

[@pritishekhar1210]

i think you should make a video on the missed details of old videos.

[@Chikararyoku]

one problem with the marking Neville, Snape would not ask Voldie to spare either parent, so they die before they can be given that crucial choice to live, so all three die and with that scenario of Sirius and Lupin dead, maybe wormtail to follow, book 3 would be a rather normal year no escaped prisoner, no stinking RAT hiding out, no dementors,... meaning no early patronus,... but maybe James Potter could be DADA teacher that year

[@audioblogs12]

How do you know Sirius didn't tell anybody to inherit the secret keeper status? He trusted wormbutt. He probably would have told Dumbledore. They would have to go into public with Harry eventually. The teachers would have to be able to locate Harry when he's at Hogwarts, and he must have been a subject of the same protection as his parents. It doesn't sound like their house itself was hidden if Voldy could have looked through their window without finding them. Nothing requires Voldy to act immediately.

[@pramodzachariah7190]

I don't think Neville was protected by the fidelius charm because death eaters were able to find their house pretty quickly after voldemort's downfall

[@goeskaboom]

The thing about the Prophecy is that it say he will mark him as his equal... so only the one who Voldemort see as a threat would survive so even if Neville does get attacked he might not mark him as the chosen on, since he does not see Neville as being a threat... if that makes sense.

[@JackSchitt-p9t]

11:55 This couldn't have been less funny.

[@dannyscottjr.7738]

You should do a video what happens if Voldemort marks one of them when they are older and who does he mark

[@Luke-A]

12:10, Nevil wouldn't necessarily have survived since it wasn't it Lilley sacrifice that set into motion Harry's ability to cause the curse to back firse

[@tinas_hotdog_sophie]

Can you do a "What if Tina had not been suspicious of Newt running into the bank"? Coz I feel he would have ended up going to Arizona with a bunch of Pastries leaving New York infested with Beasts

[@smarthur476]

I think it's kind of a stretch to just say, that snape would just go out and murder any potential secret keeper of the potters. I mean, i'm not saying that he would not be capable of doing so, but it still strikes me as a bit rushed, especially for someone like snape, to go out and just murder anyone who might or might not be the secretkeeper, especially since he is now aligned with dumbledore, who, might i add, would most likely pick up on that.

[@zackpartridge1672]

These Harry Potter what if’s are so much fun I love watching them please make more

[@rbeadle398]

What IF idea if you continue this route: the wand chooses the wizard and Harry's wand actually is choosing voldemorts soul and not Harry. It would also have the same outcome of the linked wands not being able to harm what they both believe is the same soul. It would also mean voldemort's soul would be owner of the elder wand. But also once the soul is gone from Harry the wand might not be loyal to Harry anymore!

[@ad-sd-vids5332]

Can someone explain: how is voldemort a descendant of Salazar slitherin and Cadmus pevrell? Are the gaunts a descendant of slitherin as well?

[@amberherrod6110]

What if Snape never overheard ANY of the prophecy? He probably wouldn’t have switched sides, would Voldemort have “chosen” his equal that early on as babies or would it more have been when the boys were at Hogwarts and maybe stood up and made a “Dumbledors Army” much sooner as a kid version of OotP?

[@curtisrobinson9696]

Alternate scenario, years cooped up in Godric's Hollow would've driven James crazy and he would have slipped out (without the cloak) and gets himself killed

[@TRDPaul]

Unless Sirius was suspected of being the secret keeper (or told directly that Sirius was the secret keeper by Peter Pettigrew) and was tracked down and killed by Voldemort, in which case everybody who had been told the secret would all then become secret keepers themselves and since this would include Peter Pettigrew then the story would be pretty similar except Sirius Black would already be dead