What if the NBA Used the English Football League Pyramid System?

[@camiloalves55]

Sadly, I think it would be harder to make this happen irl than one might think. In Europe, teams and the league are standalone, while in the NBA, the league is technically owned by the owners of every franchise together, right? There's no way one of them would agree to go down a league and receive less money

[@Baruch.Spinoza]

Also each player makes a much bigger difference in basketball like if Lebron gets hurt for the season the lakers get relegated even though they aren’t the worst team in the league

[@FluffyJuelz]

@@Baruch.Spinoza well if they are the worst team in the league without lebron then they get relegated, because they're the worst team in the league.

[@camiloalves55]

@Baruch Spinoza yeah true, but that's kind of a good thing. Since most leagues don't share revenue in Europe and there is no salary cap, it usually comes down to whoever has more money to spend. So, a team like the Lakers would be fine cause the rest of team without LeBron would be way better than a "bad team", and that sucks.

[@Shockkings0714]

@@FluffyJuelz That's unfair bs

[@BigPurp9]

@@Shockkings0714 well that’s sports, players get injured it’s all down to luck.

[@carlo6670]

I love to see the bottom teams fighting to stay in the NBA instead of tanking for a top draft pick.

[@arthropod-doctor]

Ikr. Relegation battles are always some of the most entertaining matches in all of football. Hurt my soul to see both Leeds AND Leicester get relegated to the Championship this year. I imagine it was doubly worse for hardcore Leicester fans, since they won the Premier League title back in 2016

[@supercel55]

Damian Lillard’s only ring coming in the championship is funny as hell😭😭😭

[@atlantic_31]

Well, at least he won a "championship" 😂😂😂

[@aok2075]

He didn't even win the league. He just won promotion lol

[@feetug]

@@aok2075 he won the championship league

[@AT-dp6rg]

@@feetughe didnt he won the playoffs to get promotion

[@zsigmondfalussy2342]

Dame is the Harry Kane of basketball

[@doomjazz420]

Providence pirates, going from league 1 to one of the best teams in premier in the span of 2 seasons was absolutely hype. Best storyline and wasn't even commented on.

[@alsotrace1124]

Time stamp?

[@aloe-aurora]

​@@alsotrace1124 23:56 Pirates promoted to Championship 25:04 Pirates promoted to Premier League 27:20 Pirates finish 4th in Premier League

[@cole3363]

the providence pirates of the ABA are In the national tournament this year lmao. they're killing it irl and sim

[@oaxtec765]

Ik! I'm from Providence and I was so hyped! We went from medicare league one to top of the prem in no time

[@matthewfeighery8838]

Rhode Islanders know

[@danielmessi1092]

WOW. This video just made me realized how in-depth NBA franchise mode is compared to fifa, madden and other sports games.

[@Ninja-gt3zi]

Could have just said ea sports crap

[@samuelpinder1215]

​@@Ninja-gt3zi nhl player career having the same story every year sums up ea

[@matthias8161]

@@samuelpinder1215 ea doesnt care about hockey sadly

[@sheena9904]

EA$ doesn’t care about anything besides 💰

[@kencarson666]

the show as well

[@salinebaseball17]

Love the concept as I watch a lot of English footy but atleast get this format in the MLS! Would vastly increase interest from a lot of people I bet!

[@SkyHighSkylar]

The A-League is only just creating a second division in Australia now so don't hold your breath for the MLS to do it any time soon

[@fegismcclaren1632]

Currently it wouldn’t work. The current lower league clubs in the US are too small, they would go bankrupt if they got relegated. The league and sports needs to keep growing before that

[@limitless_pulls]

Doesn't work with how the leagues infrastructure is set up currently. And it allows way more parity amongst teams.

[@zod548]

I disagree, a team like Utah would never accomplish nothing. The same couple teams win the premier league every season with little to no hope of smaller teams achieving that same feat. They’re just satisfied with not being relegated. Not only that, but the playoffs is the only tournament the pro sport has right now outside of Olympics.

[@llSuperSnivyll]

I mean, even within basketball, the NBA's format is almost non-existent outside of the US. Most nations do have a promotion and relegation system in their basketball leagues. For example, Spain: - Top division has 18 teams, they play each other twice. Top 8 goes to a playoff for the league title, bottom 2 gets relegated. - Second division has 18 teams, they play each other twice. The team at the top gets promoted, and second to ninth go to a playoff for the second promotion slot. Bottom 3 get relegated.

[@FatBeagle]

Hoooooly.. The amount of work that you put in to make these season swaps work, and the pure amount of time to set this up. Respect.👊 Franchise system blows, relegation would be sick for US sports.

[@Busola29]

The problem of American sports is that the franchises are helped by fixing, and the clubs that are last don't care about that... That's why the refereeing is getting worse and the Lakers have three times more free throws than the other team in the game. Those who bring in the most money are helped. What would this bring? Less rigging, because the teams would fight dangerously not to be relegated even more than someone fighting for the champion! More fan passion, the club experiences real ups and downs, the regular season would not be fun and promoting consumption and food! Sports stories about ups and downs! More respect for small clubs, which turn to creating players and making money from them. P.S. Americans have forgotten the true essence of sports many times lately, and I don't believe that as long as there is capitalism, they will ever live true sport again (I'm not referring to amateur sports in the US)! I don't understand why they didn't do that in their soccer, they would have developed soccer faster! This way, they have one big flaw, too little production of quality players

[@i-man872]

@@Busola29European clubs are owned by ultra rich oil tycoons lol. They spend billions to sign good players while small clubs are left to rot. And there isn’t any draft where small clubs get the best new talent.

[@Busola29]

@@i-man872 You do not understand football (soccer) and many other sports in other parts of the world except America and Canada, and you comment... Small clubs do not acquire players in the draft but by producing players (pioneers, cadets, juniors...) and they are protected by the UNION clauses if they leave as a junior. Then, regardless, those clubs get compensation in money if those players are developed and sold. If the generation and president match, even a club from a small town or village can succeed and play with big clubs. This is impossible in the USA in professional sports, except for eg. college basketball. You are condemned to watch only the "big ones" ... Small towns and villages have to play in much lower, uninteresting leagues. Those clubs will never play a competitive game against, for example, Lakers, Bulls, Suns, Warriors, Sixers... So the dream of success DOESN'T EXIST! Who wins the titles, the one who has more money and a bigger franchise (sponsors, following, famous star...) There are rare, very rare moments of surprise...

[@D.J.Paige71]

It sadly would be impossible with how the NBA and NFL work

[@otaviofrnazario]

@@Busola29 and you forget about the FIFA Solidarity Rule, in which at least 5% of a future trade is guaranteed for the club that revealed the player. Example for everyone else: let's say the Cavs built LeBron through their academy system instead of drafting him. And they sell him to Miami for, I don't know, 50 million dollars. If he goes to the Lakers 5 years later for 200 million, Cleveland gets 5% of that money (10 million). Many clubs are academy machines, with a lot of good players coming out. This is a way for them to keep the system, otherwise the logic would have been broken a long time ago

[@RoseLikesFootball]

For NBA fans that don't know, there's also an annual cup competition that runs alongside the leagues. Every team from the tiers is entered and has a chance to win, with teams from the higher leagues getting byes for the first rounds. However, you still get big upsets as the games are in a knockout format.

[@Londronable]

The FA cup(oldest soccer cup in the world, talking like 150+ years), has anually over 700 teams competing for it to give some context.

[@otaviofrnazario]

@@Londronable and it's far from being the cup with most teams. The French Cup has over 8 thousand teams, from every corner of continental France and territories abroad (those small islands and French Guyana). If the draw allows, PSG can play in the island of Reunion. But from the round of 16 on every game is in Europe

[@otaviofrnazario]

In Germany, there is no Byes in the Cup (the DFB Pokal). But there are less teams playing. For everyone not familiar with, the german system have three national divisions (Bundesliga, Bundesliga 2 and 3 Liga). Every division below is regional. Consider this as a mere example of how things work: in California you have the Lakers, the Clippers, Kings and Warriors playing in the top three divisions. But a team that is not in the top three divisions plays a local league in California. And there is a regional Cup between, let's say, teams in the lower divisions from California, Oregon and Washington. This cup is for the teams in the lower league (below 4th division) and the third division teams not qualified for the Cup. The main reward, in sports terms, for the winner of the California Cup is a spot in the National Cup the following season. So, you have 40 guaranteed teams in the Cup, namely: the whole first division, the whole second division and the top 4 of the third division. The other 24 comes from the local leagues or local cups, generally only the champion. And the rule is: the team from the smaller division plays at home. On the first two rounds there is a pot in the draw for the Bundesliga/Bundesliga 2 and the other for 3 liga and below. From the third round on, just one pot with everyone in it. A local league team against a Bayern, Borussia Dortmund has a disadvantage in money, conditions, competition level... so they play at home to ease this. Sometimes we have the giants getting killed. Saarbrücken in 2020 went all the way to the semifinals while being in the 4th division

[@patmcclung7205]

As a massive football fan I love this concept. Props for all the work that got put into this.

[@LeoGameMusic]

The amount of work here for this simulation is insane, banger video bro

[@christianrodriguez1465]

As a big football fan I would love to see this the NBA

[@SteeleProductions5]

Soccer*

[@Ohandori]

@@SteeleProductions5 stop being miserable

[@linktown-blue907]

@@Ohandori you seem pretty miserable

[@DTtheGOAT01]

It’s not football its soccer

[@luMz0.]

@@DTtheGOAT01 it’s called whatever you want to call it you can call it soccer if you want but don’t expect football fans to call it soccer

[@the773king]

As a Bulls fan, this was more stressful than it should've been

[@samuelpinder1215]

Now you know why football and european basketball fans are a lot more passionate

[@thememeroo178]

Everyone can be passionate for they're teams

[@Sledgehammer003]

Not sure if this was ur goal but outlining how u did every step instantly earned u a like for effort , and i appreciate the insight too!!! thats a good way to make these - maybe show a bit more of the world as ur going?

[@aaronsanders4122]

This has to be one of the most creative ideas ever done. U deserve way more credit than u get

[@BeyondBaka]

How do you even come up with these video ideas, creativity on another level!

[@Frosti69]

thanks. for this video I have to give credit to Ted Lasso and Welcome to Wrexham lol

[@EyeOfThePhi]

​@@Frosti69 Nah. You stole this idea from Not The Expert. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWKldXSmequFnsU

[@ChristianFure]

the idea is easy. The execution and effort is whats mind blowing

[@jakob90210]

@@Frosti69 Ted lasso is a top tier show istg

[@alexsmith6322]

Lmao what!?!? Football manager creators been making videos like this for 10 years 😂 and OOTP. I’m not even hating the video I’m just hating on this comment this is not some “other level” of creativity 😂

[@itsunity23]

This gotta be one of your best videos bro. I’m a huge football fan and would love to see the nba with promotion/ relegation so this a dope concept for a video.

[@primeconor]

Honestly this was a great video but I would love a full series

[@ayron4428]

Love the pyramid system and I've always wanted to do this. Your videos are God tier keep it up. They should definelty do this, stakes are higher and every game counts

[@ayron4428]

Also imagine a championship league

[@swas7083]

As a hawks fan this was a fun fantasy, wish we make the playoffs this year.

[@kdilla4687]

we are literally locked for atleast the play in

[@shawnb8908]

This is one of the coolest ideas I’ve seen and I just wanna say you crushed it on the execution.. keep up the great content!

[@alexsmith6322]

If only this video didn’t base its entire existence on the insanely broken 2k simulation process 😂

[@jujuju948]

As a football and a basketball fan, this is wild. Great video and concept man

[@Bruceymac11]

I respect the grind my guy. Awesome video, always wanted to see relegation simulated in the NBA.

[@bhilbwift52]

Yoooo it’s crazy how much effort you put into these ideas, do this again fr. Fire video 🔥

[@bayscit]

Holy crap the effort you put into making this video deserves a subscription

[@emixyballing]

Frosti putting sm work into his videos, they mad creative

[@anfronike]

That was one of the best videos I've seen lately. You did an amazing job, kudos.

[@louisbentivegna855]

Great idea and execution. In england they also have cup tourneys that include all english teams, would’ve been cool to see that worked in even though it was probably impossible.

[@atomshrek]

One other key difference between European soccer and American sports is the transfer system. Deals are almost always for transfer fees rather than player for player trades. Usually when teams get relegated they can no longer afford to pay their star player wages, losing tons in TV money, sponsorships, ticket/merch sales, etc. This means they're forced to sell their best players or lose a ton of money for a year hoping their quality is enough to get back to the prem. A star player at the level of Lebron, Giannis, Luka, etc. would never play in the 2nd tier. Also keep in mind that there's a much bigger disparity within the Premier League than in the NBA. It's pretty much unfathomable for any of the top 6 teams in the Premier League to get relegated because of how much money they have & spend. I'm not sure how/if you could rework you NBA 2K simulation to account for these differences, but I thought I'd point it out.

[@TheFootballNerd7]

I’m not even a huge Fotbal’ fan rn. But This is the best system in all of sports. And I really wish American leagues had adapted it by now

[@mowey8853]

The nba would be so dope like this even baseball

[@NSLUploader]

*Explain Germany then.*

[@TeguhNugrahaPratama]

Yeah promotion and relegation are cool. But I wish (or dream of) football/soccer to also adapt draft system and salary cap of american sports.

[@otaviofrnazario]

@@TeguhNugrahaPratama I'm not a fan of the draft system because the age of turning pro for football is lower. If a draft is done in the way they do it, the whole draft would be of kids straight from high school, not even finished even But I totally agree with a salary cap, in the mode of the NFL

[@jimmysox2260]

Bro the amount of work in these videos is insane and then on top of that you funny as hell. Great Vids

[@yourhomie7568]

Loved how you explained every detail W content

[@canelazo1772]

@Frosti you are the ONLY yt who i can listen to as a podcast. your formula is unmatched

[@justinkelley6994]

impressed by how much work went into this video, great work!

[@imsimplyjazzy3393]

Seeing the Hartford Whalers make a appearance confused me so much being a hockey fan 😂

[@njmksr8686]

Made me really happy though

[@otaviofrnazario]

true. There are some brands from other sports as well, like the Flying Squrrels (AA baseball)

[@bhill005]

Awesome idea for a 2K video. You can only be impressed by the amount of detail needed in order to have made this work. Good stuff🔥🔥🔥

[@CartoonCentral10]

Respect the dedication you have for these videos!

[@fyrf0x8910]

"Manchester United Hawks" 😭😭😭

[@roddysmith5286]

As a Englishman, this should be how it is. Ive followed football (soccer) all my life and this the tier system is incredible as it has its incredible highs in all ablities across the sport. It would be sick if american sports followed this format but its not realistic unforunately. Ive supported my team southampton through some ups and downs but honestly you dont beat a playoff final win at wembley, even if its from league 1 to the championship.

[@otaviofrnazario]

this overall concept of the english playoff is amazing. I really love it since I found out. But I wish that there were no playoffs in the National League this season, it would be really sad if Notts were not promoted with Wrexham. The two best clubs by a mile this season. But the rush is really crazy, the atmosphere is always good, and there is one ethernal moment that is from the EFL Playoffs that every fan knows: FORESTIERI... HERE'S HOGG... DEENEY DO NOT SCRATCH YOUR EYES. YOU'RE REALLY SEEING THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY MOMENT HERE. The only way the US fans can come close to feel this is with many bad years due to terrible ownership

[@crofty719]

The amount of effort put into this is crazy bro you deserve a lot more subs

[@cddevri]

im only like a third of the way through but holy shit dude you went above and beyond. this must've taken forever

[@rottenpotatoes4072]

Thanks frosti, this wasnt even one your funniest videos but its the first time ive smiled and laughed in a few days

[@wfm9uhbret180]

Hawks turning into man city is crazy

[@dillonthompson7506]

The effort in this video is insanity. Great video.

[@atstucke10]

thumbs up, commenting and sharing strictly for the amount of work this man had to put into making this video.

[@xtackett3728]

Love the creativity you use to come up with new videos man. That’s one thing that’s always set you apart from others since you started. Love the content as always man

[@njmksr8686]

Ah yes, my favorite basketball player, Tomas Brady

[@Andrew-rp1lh]

This is one of the best youtube videos i’ve ever seen. Please continue this simulation in a future video

[@brysonxd]

it's the most Pacers thing ever to be stuck in the championship league, never promote, never relegate, never get mentioned, never have a standout player, nor do anything of note... just mediocrity.

[@michaelhutchings8599]

23:45 Pop is REALLY supportive with his Spurs kit on 😂

[@canelazo1772]

“But as a reminder, that the Clippers are going to waste his prime!” Frosti again with the quick quip

[@tylito4764]

I do stuff like this all the time but dude, I applaud your determination. It's insane lol I appreciate these!

[@masoncook4629]

Most normal intro I’ve heard so far😂

[@lakerslake3247]

Shout out to you for the video bro. Sounds like a lotta hard work and bullshit to deal with lol. Appreciate the effort in the content my man, that’s why I tune in ✊

[@mobtron5904]

The dedication is crazy bro

[@Angtony]

this guy is a man of focus, commitment and sheer f ing will

[@deffydubs]

the work you did for this seems insane, I can't even process the information you're giving me half the time.

[@newt0n]

Nice! Fun to watch. But ... banning generational talent from the lower leagues prevents them from breakting through. Does not happen to often, but sometimes a regional unicorn teen can rocket a small club up quite fast! Anyway, thanks for the awesome video. Cheers from Europe.

[@stephenbergen36]

This is a fantastic idea, keep it coming!!

[@ThatBritishSnep]

I don't watch the NBA religiously and I watch a lot of UK footy, but what an interesting video! (What a rise for the Pirates and the Hawks Man Utd-like dominance for the majority of the save - I see what you did near the end there lol) Would love to see this sort of thing happen in the MLS or the NHL, however I also feel there would be a lot of complications in doing so (i.e. investors giving up a concept that they've been using for a number of years) Massive respect for putting all of this together!

[@lukedaigle3396]

Bro when you said the pistons picked up some hard hitters like Miles Bridges I died😂

[@joeroberts1840]

You go above and beyond for these videos, appreciated

[@markostojanov8193]

Great video, love your nba content. Crazy amount of work you put in, keep it up man

[@SaturnAT839]

Really nice work. I can tell a lot of work went into making this video. It was really fun!

[@martino5742]

funny outro but this one was so busy that there wasn't even time for the usual number of off color jokes lmao

[@NeroPh.D]

The Hawks went Manchester City mode

[@itsjosefc]

Man you’re apologizing about the explaining of this wild premier league into the NBA in 4:00 minutes, come on man, we’re here loving the content and effort. The best GM I ever seen 🔥

[@cadds8055]

Love your voicing over gameplay and your video ideas man

[@Cyan34561]

I think due to the small roster size of professional basketball teams mixed with a rising amount of talent, this would create a pyramid where teams fly all over the place from league 1 to the Prem(NBA) in no time. It would also create a lot of opportunity for players and payer play wouldn't be too bad. A league 1 team could maybe pay their full roster like 300k-500k every season. On top of everything I think a lot of fans would come out to the games since every game matters.

[@MA.Dasilva]

no it wouldn’t be like that. with no draft and no salary cap the teams with the most money like the warriors, lakers, bulls, celtics, knicks, and clippers would just stay at the top and form a big 6 like their is in england. the lower divisions would be very competitive but the top division would be easy to predict. in the european system there’s no salary cap or draft so the rich teams can buy all the best players and the bad teams never keep their stars. if this happened small market teams like the jazz, thunder would always be relegation contenders.

[@timurkreator3173]

@@MA.Dasilva but all the best players wouldnt crowd in one team, newcastle united this season. they dont have any international superstars but remain the team with least losses and conceded goals. plus in europe we dont have AAU and NCAA so you wouldnt play for a college team rather in the OKC academy and if you were a superstar player you wouldnt get drafted to the worst preformer but rather thrive in the environment youve already been at for years

[@mancunioner]

@@MA.Dasilva Spain has a salary cap now, but it's based on % of turnover so still means the bigger clubs stay at the top

[@otaviofrnazario]

@@timurkreator3173 this is true. And precisely the reason european players become pros at an earlier age. Hence, Luka Doncic

[@eleonarcrimson858]

@@MA.Dasilva what about brighton this season or even brentford? smart money spending and good recruitment can beat a disaster front office like chelsea.

[@MiggyDmigaso]

I had to sub just off the strength of you doing all that work and it was very entertaining

[@indrasyafei2304]

Bruhh, you deserve a big love for this effort in your content.

[@jsimon6467]

the amount of time and effort you put into these videos is so badass. Thanks for the fire content babe

[@dabobfotoday5397]

It’s such a shame that this will never actually happen it would be so good for the game

[@nicholasgoatifiyt8343]

Great Vid Frosti Putting My 2 Favourite Sports Together (except f1)

[@DillSkin]

Props for the effort in this one!

[@cooperherakovich9480]

I was so ready for Raleigh to go crazy then I never saw them again 🤦‍♂️

[@dallasgram5685]

This was fantastic thank you for grinding though it! So entertaining!

[@vdismukes]

I recently created a system of promotion and relegation using the 30 current NBA teams, which are divided into a 20-team Upper Division and a 10-team Lower Division Each team in the Upper Division plays the other 19 teams 4 times for a total of 76 games. The top 16 teams make the playoffs, while the bottom 4 teams are relegated. In the Lower Division, each team plays the other 9 teams 8 times for a total of 72 games. The top 4 teams are promoted, while the bottom 6 teams remain in the Lower Division. The number one draft pick goes to the top team in the Lower Division followed by the other 9 teams in order of finish. The number eleven pick goes to the top team in the Upper Division followed by the other 19 teams in order of finish.

[@charlie-ft1ch]

this vid is mad, so much hard work, credit to you man really entertaining video

[@FreeTheColonized]

Only end up on these kind of videos after 2am

[@nilsnachtigall363]

"im a big football fan myself, as you can tell by this sentence" lmao

[@seansilveiro2463]

As a native Montrealer, happy to see that after 10 years, the Monarchs made it to the big league! Congrats guys!

[@willpsone]

Explaining the Hawks' dominance- when you remove the bottom 10 teams from the NBA that takes away all the should be easy wins that they end up blowing in the real world

[@notawamen2311]

I would definitely watch the nba if it adopted this format

[@ryancochran4357]

2K glazing the hawks so hard

[@namename6263]

This whole video was amazing man, thank you

[@MeLLoOony]

Btw you’re American football should be called, American Rugby. I’m not joking.

[@jreiland07]

I’ll never understand why so many people are intent on an NBA team in Pittsburgh. Nobody in this town cares about basketball, at least at the professional level. Now the Riverhounds in MLS on the other hand…

[@kgauheloletsholo5083]

i wont lie, as someone who watches a lot of football/soccer this concept is actually dope.

[@toaster2911]

Damn this looks like it took forever to set up bro mad respect

[@cstmex4937]

This is an insane amount of effort, good on you man

[@deomunza3553]

Hearing him say Championship league is doing my head in. I wanna scream ITS JUST CALLED THE CHAMPIONSHIP RELAX

[@cb12___]

So no one is gonna talk about kuzma being a 74 overall

[@Aaron-cm7rs]

Maybe was injured

[@logandavis4285]

shout out to the chihuahuas jumbo shrimp and flying squirrels for making an appearance hahaha

[@LilMayoTheYoungOG]

He used MLB teams and didn’t realize 😂

[@TheReal704Champ]

That's about what I expected from my Hornets

[@liamcoulter9627]

Proud of my Wizards for quickly recovering from regulation and having some respectable finishes, honestly better than I expected lol

[@negispringfield6156]

same lol

[@oweng9456]

The effort on the video is crazy. Thank you for the content

[@20Bravesfan]

This would be amazing in real life. All these cities with a team and the regular season would mean so much more. Its just simply the best system in sports.

[@zod548]

I just know this video took insane work, don’t even know what to say just super thankful