What If VEGETA Learned The KAIOKEN? (Full Story) | Dragon Ball Super

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It's been a question that nearly every Dragon Ball fan has asked themselves, what if Vegeta took the time to learn the Kaioken technique and how would it change the story moving forward? When would he learn it? How would it change future battles? Would the end result be positive or negative? All of that will be answered in today's Dragon Ball What If video!
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[@Odinfang]

I honestly feel like kaioken for vegeta would be a great training tool with a sparring partner and sensu beans to get more zenkai gains as he’s intentionally putting strain on his body to sweeten his gains in healing.

[@gentlepeeps3351]

At this point in super zenkais are not as strong as they once was they kinda became prevalent in top but before and after that they are not as potent especially in training

[@Odinfang]

@@gentlepeeps3351 unfortunate.

[@heavygaming1167]

@@gentlepeeps3351 ultra ego kaioken would easily power up 10000000s of times because of the strain making his body damaged

[@ehx3419]

@@heavygaming1167 Exactly what I've been saying. Kaio-Ken UE is an absolute killer combo. I feel like it should be a Vegito staple.

[@blhck]

underrated Dragon Ball what-if

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed, I hope to do more of these in the future.

[@theprodigysaiyan6600]

I'm not gonna lie, you should continue to make what if stories

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you! I have plans on making a lot more stories but I can’t guarantee when the next story will drop

[@theprodigysaiyan6600]

@@InnovativeJdawg if its alright, could I give you some ideas that I have been thinking of?

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Sure! I’d love to hear your ideas

[@theprodigysaiyan6600]

@@InnovativeJdawg so I was thinking about how would it change the story and I know there's a lot of littles that have Gok and Vegeta as siblings but because of that, what if I think it will really change the story of the whole Dragonball series, so the, what if is called, what if Goku and Vegeta were brothers also having goku brother as their cousin

[@theprodigysaiyan6600]

@@InnovativeJdawg also, what if Vegeta trained under merus with goku

[@ssjhyperion]

WOW man, i thought this vid was like an 1hour long. That's good though, means a lot is in here. Feels full.

[@ssjhyperion]

This was great, i enjoyed your video. Hopefully you make more of these.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you, Hyperion! Also Maltese, if Super took place after the End of Z, I feel like things would mostly be the same. God Ki would be an entirely different realm what what Goku and his friends knew, so if everything revolved around God Ki, it would be the same. Characters would just be older, like Pan, and what not.

[@lord_n7000]

I really love when these what if you tubers do full series instead of parts though cliffhangers are fun I enjoy laying back and watching a full what story unwind, Great job Innovative

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Whenever I get around to making more what ifs, I'll no doubt have to split some stories up into parts because depending on the story, it may just be too long to fit in a single video. But if I were to do that, there wouldn't be an absurd amount of parts, I wouldn't go up to part 15 or anything, and I wouldn't make my audience wait for months between those parts.

[@BTG25]

The only thing Vegeta struggled to learn kaioken is the first trial. You know telling jokes to king Kai.... Great what if by the way. Please make more

[@InnovativeJdawg]

I thought about the joke part, but I feel like King Kai would either know that there shouldn’t be any time for jokes against Buu, or Vegeta just threatened him hard enough that he cut right to the chase lol. Also, thank you!

[@yexiu1215]

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[@yexiu1215]

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[@Bigfreddd100]

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[@SilverSaiyanAce]

Dude this is surprisingly high quality I have never watched your videos or even seen your channel but this video made me automatically subscribe

[@declanoneill4593]

I absolutely love your story telling, you should do more of these, no rush though.

[@CyberBuster93]

VEGITO BLACK!? I would have never even thought of that! Awesome what if, dude!

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks very much! Glad you enjoyed!

[@SaiyanMotion]

Just Checkedout your channel and man I am impressed. You cut straight to the point, you take at a normal pace and didn't purposely lengthen your video. Voice and video quality was great and I rly enjoyed this, was planning on making at myself!

[@leisurelyindex]

Another Legend. You said it better than me. He's earned my sub, and now, you gonna get mine.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks to both of you, I appreciate your compliments!

[@leisurelyindex]

@@InnovativeJdawg No sweat.

[@huntanimation7198]

Your way smarter than death battle.I love your content keep it up.I'm subscriber

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks! Glad you’re liking my videos

[@huntanimation7198]

@@InnovativeJdawg I really do

[@OmacProductions]

Hey dude, excellent first what if. Perhaps we can work on something in future 👍😎

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you!

[@HORRIOR1]

I think Vegeta could have taken time to learn Kaioken during the three year pre-android training arc. He might have assumed it was a necessary step to reaching Super Saiyan.

[@BrianAwesome]

@InnovativeJDawg, They should have wished back the android victims, and Supreme Kai as well. Bringing a group of Nameks to Future Earth, would help as well.

[@aka-fusion8909]

This Goku black arc is better then the original, not only does trunks keep his timeline, we would also get vegito vs vegito black which would be so iconic

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks!

[@zenkairanger]

We need more of your What Ifs.

[@jayswindonley1128]

💯✊🏽Very good story. Nice alternative perspective!

[@jjmturbo]

When vegeta first saw the kaiokan attack he told Goku he encountered something similar in the past. It would have been cool for them explore that further.

[@CoachKayveezzy]

I have found another what if creator that's has god tier voice/commentary thank the heavens 😭🙏🙌💘

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks for the comment! Hopefully I can get back into these videos soon

[@tiaan8551]

lol I like you documentary narration what if style great video please do make more what ifs

[@TrainerRad164]

Not gonna lie, but the ending of your version of the future trunks Arc was heartwarming awww 💖💖💖

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you!

[@vibingorilla5562]

Imagine king kai watching the goku black arc in this scenario just to see 4 godly beings using his technique

[@christopherfleetwood5252]

He’d be so happy

[@xyonxap7119]

What if Goku also got SSBE? or use MUI kiokenx20?

[@GhostCyro]

Probably mui kiaoken would be stronger then beerus for sure

[@majinsaiyan4369]

dang that means vegeta is the strongest in this what if because if he evolves kaiken with ssjbe then ha evolves kaioken with it

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Possibly! I believe if Goku were to still tap into MUI, he’d be stronger than Vegeta that way, but if Vegeta managed to defeat Moro before Goku could even use Ultra Instinct, he would most likely be stronger at that point in time.

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Vegeta learning the spirit bomb

[@christmastree777]

Awesome

[@jamesallen179]

Cool video

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks!

[@fence3517]

Very good

[@BrianAwesome]

They shoulda used Dende to wish back The Future Z Fighters & Android victims, Before the past Z Fighters went back to the past.

[@zombathinlostleghackercat5233]

They should have fused into Gogeta, taken out Goku Black first (since it's Goku's body and he seems to always pull out more power), then Vegeta Black.

[@velovelo4777]

We need a part two

[@InnovativeJdawg]

This is the only part (for now) because it covered everything up until Moro. But there will be more what if’s that have multiple parts

[@Cruz1214.]

there is only one thing I would have added, I would have wished to undo all the damage caused by the androids and Goku/Vegita black, other than that, you did an amazing job

[@InnovativeJdawg]

I did have them wish to undo the damages caused by Goku and Vegeta Black, they didn’t need to make a wish to restore damage done by the androids because, I believe, it’s already stated that they were able to rebuild from the low-scale damages they had caused Regardless, thank you!

[@Cruz1214.]

@@InnovativeJdawg true I guess I was thinking more on the lines of bringing the dead back to life

[@jamesallen179]

Wow nice video

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks!

[@MjSaunders777]

Your 1k like!!!🎉

[@jamainegardner4193]

Honestly I think the best time for him to learn the Kaioken would be between Zamasu and the ToP, due to a feeling that he failed Future Trunks and thus he trains to get Kaioken. I can personally never see Blue Kaioken ever going past X20, but if Vegeta unlocked Limit Breaker (ain't calling it "Blue Evolution") before the ToP he may be able to push himself to Kaioken X20 Limit Breaker and take Jiren for a wild ride. Also if Frieza was taken out early by Broly then Whis could stall him for Gogeta. And finally, given how Limit Breaker Vegeta was stronger than UI Goku, a 20x multiplier would b e more than enough to outmatch Moro-73.

[@MSDBass]

That Vegeta Bulma moment got me bout to spring a leak

[@justsomeguywithlonghair6595]

Imagine if he learned the Kaioken and spirt bomb

[@InnovativeJdawg]

That’d be cool. He kinda did a Spirit Bomb-esk kind of attack at the end of the Moro Arc, when he gave Goku energy from Uub

[@princesslloyd4820]

And continue making what if pleassssse

[@zombathinlostleghackercat5233]

Did you add heavy blurred outlines to avoid copyright?

[@blacjiroYT]

How about if vegeta has an different version of kaioken and it's called galick rise which you get it after using the galick gun

[@zombathinlostleghackercat5233]

Rosé Vegeta is kinda cool.

[@meatsaiyan1047]

You should do what if trunks revive everyone Besides goku with namek dragon balls after the Android saga

[@storm3823]

A wise man once said "WTF ITS A KAIOKEN BARGAIN SALE"

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Fully mastered the kaioken

[@rk-iv8eb]

nice

[@user-ro1ct9cc9p]

This is a good stroy

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you I appreciate that!

[@daikoru2511]

imagine ultra ego kaioken

[@tjkinchen8062]

wouldn’t kaioken while in ultra ego be essentially broken asl😭

[@darkness4588]

One think I would of changed about the stories is that instead of frizea Goku went and got future trunks to be the last member for team universe 7

[@sea_of_es]

imagine gogeta big bang kamehameha x100 kaioken

[@InnovativeJdawg]

That’d be dope!

[@user-tk9cy2kn5g]

Vegeta and spirit bomb

[@user-zh9zs8jp8f]

bruh super Saipan blue kaiokenx2 and 4 is cracked to be honest

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Fully perfected kaioken

[@bigsquadluv]

Well i would of had them grown they tail back that way since Goku showing Vegeta how to control Kaioken Vegeta can show kakarot how to control the great ape therefore they get Super Saiyan 4

[@princesslloyd4820]

Can you please make what if goku mastered super saiyan 3

[@Eric-dg3zm]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@dancooke8811]

I'm glad Vegeta went back to see Bulma

[@AJNC_]

W video

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks!

[@ehx3419]

Personally, I'm not that big of a fan of this What If scenario in particular, at least not the way it's framed here. Kaio-Ken just feels way more of a Goku technique than a Vegeta technique when it comes to their personalities. That is, until Ultra Ego rolls around and feels like a match made in heaven. Edit: Nevermind, this framing is way better placed than I thought. After all, the beginning of Super is the point where Goku rubbing off onto Vegeta really started to show. Still, I could probably more see Kaio-Ken being used by Gogeta or Vegito, although that might be influence from fan animations making Kaio-Ken Blue Evolved a fusion staple. But I could see Kaio-Ken UE Vegito occurring in a similar way, since we can't really have UE UI due to the whole "one consciousness" thing. Edit 2: Alright, this is absolute fire. Did you just say Instant x10 Final Kamehameha???

[@zombathinlostleghackercat5233]

You forgot the Heater Arc. /joke

[@Odinfang]

Well after the recent granola arc, ngl, kaioken ultra ego would be pretty metal.

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Perfecting the kaioken

[@chandlerdoeswhatifs9399]

One thousand likes is too much man! Lower the like goal Great video but seriously

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Why would it be too much? It’s just a goal, not a demand.

[@ciomuda2406]

Wow 3k view after 500+ views

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Mastering kaioken

[@GhostCyro]

So basically if super saiyan 3 turn kaio ken .He become like super saiyan 6 strenght? I mean kaio ken is multiplay x1 so super saiyan 3 is super saiyan 6 basically?

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Theoretically, the power output COULD equal something of a Super Saiyan 6, but it would be near impossible to combine Kaioken with SSJ3 like that. It would instantly kill the user

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Mastered kaioken

[@BrianAwesome]

@InnovatedJDawg, Vegeta (and Future Vegeta), could have asked Goku to teach him, during the three years. Future Vegeta could have used Super Kaioken, against the Future Androids.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

While that could’ve happened, I don’t see Vegeta taking the time to learn kaioken when around that time, he was focused on just learning how to achieve Super Saiyan, and once he did just that, he figured Kaioken would be useless.

[@BrianAwesome]

@@InnovativeJdawg What about Gt? Super Baby Vegeta and Great Ape Baby in Gt, could have used Kaioken against Ssj4 Goku.

[@supersaiyancarlos]

True perfection of kaioken

[@supersaiyancarlos]

100 percent of kaioken

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken 100 percent

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken full power

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken 100 percent

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken maximum

[@Red-ym5ss]

VEGITO BLACK VS VEGITO EPIC

[@MaxwrXD]

Vegeta:kaio Ken Freeza:kaio what Punch in the face Goku:kaio ken Freeza: (dodge)

[@georgemendez6760]

Gohan is smart enough to know not to waste senzu beans on earthlings (with the exception of trunks and himself)

[@InnovativeJdawg]

It wouldn’t be a waste? They had plenty of them to go around.

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken master

[@isaacgalicia8164]

What if Cohan was split in Two?

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Goku finally master the kaioken

[@user-zh9zs8jp8f]

now that the gas\frieza black arc is out can you make a part 2

[@InnovativeJdawg]

If there’s a good story to be told maybe!

[@superlegofan7067]

Hey InnovativeJdawg I have a what if for you, since you did Vegeta if he learned Kaioken but how about you do a Digimon what if, like for say having Dracomon having the same technique like Goku during the fight against the first Dark General Dorbickmon in Digimon Part 6 Wrath of the Bagra Army also known as Digimon Fusion and the year I came up with during the series was in 2040 since the first Digimon series started in 1995 and I refer the seasons as parts and what year they take place. For example Digimon Part 1 The Adventure begins. Year 1995 Digimon Part 2 New Adventures. Year 1999-2000 and at the end 2025 Digimon Part 3 The Tamers. Year 2026 Digimon Part 4 Rise of the Legendary Warriors. Year 2027 Digimon Part 5 Enter the Data Squad. Year 2030 and at the end 2035 Digimon Part 6 Wrath of the Bagra Army. Year 2040 Digimon Part 7 The hunt starts. Year 2041 Digimon Part 8 App Wars. Year 2048 Digimon Part 9 Ghost Game. Year 2051-2053 and at the end 2055 So what do you think of this what if I came up with, do you like it or no.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

It's definitely a cool idea! I'm not super knowledgeable about Digimon though, but I like the idea!

[@macrosense]

Did he have one power up in his base form during his initial fight with Goku?

[@InnovativeJdawg]

He had Oozaru

[@xyonxap7119]

what if vegito was in TOP?

[@InnovativeJdawg]

You might see that sort of scenario very soon!

[@jehovahrastafai5135]

Don't get Vegeta is a prodigy at learning stuff he learned how to suppress his power and since Ki just by going to Earth and fighting with the earthlings no one taught Vegeta that and he was doing as soon as he got the namek

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Exactly, and he was capable of learning Spirit Control in the recent manga arc, whereas Goku couldn’t.

[@jehovahrastafai5135]

@@InnovativeJdawg What if the healing chamber can also regenerate limbs like the Saiyan tail

[@A_Tahitian_From_Tahiti]

All of this because vegeta turned red 💀 Nsh but fr, very interesting video

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks! Hope you enjoyed

[@A_Tahitian_From_Tahiti]

@@InnovativeJdawg surprised you replied considering this video came out years ago

[@InnovativeJdawg]

@@A_Tahitian_From_Tahiti I get notifications so I saw yours pop up a minute or two after you posted it lol

[@MSDBass]

bump

[@zombathinlostleghackercat5233]

x2 is a lot less than x50.

[@THENemesisXX99]

Shit what if everyone learned it. Goku should've at least tried to teach his friends what he learned on King Kai and Yardrat. The amount of clutches the rest of the Z-Fighters can do if they could multiply their power however they want, hold a spirit bomb or fucking instantly teleport almost anywhere. The humans or Piccolo wouldn't instantly become gods obviously but they would be able to do a lot more to help.

[@TheDevilOfHellsKitchen-1]

Honestly I feel like vegeta would spam the shit out of kaioken if it makes him stronger 😂😂😂 I would laugh my ass off if I saw that happen in the manga or show also it would be really cool to see ultra ego with kaioken

[@ndiaz1982]

Didn't goku lose to hit and it was monaka that "beat" hit?

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Technically, in the rules of the tournament, yeah. But to save time on this what if, its easy to overlook Monaka’s role in the story

[@rogerstalder7184]

Then Vegeta would be stronger then Goku. since he is atm at same lvl as Goku.

[@Mardiemike]

it should have been gogeta vs vegito black

[@InnovativeJdawg]

That could’ve been a cool idea too!

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken x 50

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken x 10

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken x 999

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken x70

[@jasonibarra2650]

Wait isn’t this somewhat similar to salad saiyan to what if vegeta learned kaioken. I’m just saying

[@InnovativeJdawg]

No it isn’t, he has the story play out where Vegeta obtains SSJ God first, he defeats Goku Black, etc Same concept, different story, everybody can tell the same what if in a different way.

[@jasonibarra2650]

@@InnovativeJdawg yeah you’re right

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken x 900

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken x 100

[@idkKag]

the start of it reminds me of salad saiyan sucks it didnt get 1k likes :(

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Not yet at least, I’m hoping it’ll get recommended to people soon!

[@idkKag]

@@InnovativeJdawg :D

[@idkKag]

@@InnovativeJdawg i saw you in @Saiyan Motion tier list

[@supersaiyancarlos]

Kaioken x 90

[@AlexxxMYLSince2013]

Kaioken cant work with regular ssj, thats why it wasnt used until the tournament 7 vs 6

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Yes it can work, it just isn’t as smart to use it in comparison to Blue Kaioken. It’s highly stressful to use on top of Super Saiyan, as I mentioned, and by the time the Universe 6 tournament came around, SSJ Blue was much stronger than regular Super Saiyan so there wouldn’t have been a reason to pick Super Kaioken over SSJB Kaioken.

[@AlexxxMYLSince2013]

@@InnovativeJdawg uh, maybe but i heard somewere that super kaioken was posible because Goku was dead, and it was imposible to use alive.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

You heard correctly and the reason for that was because, as a dead person, his body couldn’t feel the stress that he would feel when he was alive. It’s why he also used Super Saiyan 3 a lot better when he was dead but when he got wished back to life, his physical body couldn’t handle the stress as seen during his fight against Kid Buu.

[@BenFan-hx6ih]

what did they do with the 3rd wish?

[@InnovativeJdawg]

If they were given a third wish, it didn’t matter to the overall story so it wasn’t mentioned. It’s most likely that since they revived a whole bunch of people with one wish, that counted as two wishes just like how Dende modeled his Dragon Balls in the original series.

[@BenFan-hx6ih]

@@InnovativeJdawg maybe they could make the core of the planet indestructible or something since it just held a battle between 4 universe buster people.

[@lazerbreaker4758]

There is onky one

[@InnovativeJdawg]

My apologies, I hope to do more soon! Maybe you could request some what ifs?

[@lazerbreaker4758]

@@InnovativeJdawg hmm what if goku and vegeta were born as ssj4