What If We Didn't Get The Nuclear Weapons First? - Joe Rogan

From JRE #1537 with Lex Fridman.

[@Rafa36999]

He says it like the US didn't use it lol

[@edwardlewis1963]

? Maybe you're imagining something that is not there.

[@HerbstLeafs]

@@edwardlewis1963Hiroshima😂

[@tonynittoli4792]

@@HerbstLeafshe is missing rogans point. Don’t worry, the knuckle heads he was referring to. They are in power now…..

[@user-unknown666]

It’s almost like we already know 😮🤯🤯

[@yosuancolon]

Yes, but the US had the power to dominate the whole world and didn’t. Nazi Germany? In a heartbeat!

[@juliesayers6648]

San Francisco does look destroyed

[@Jwalker088]

Germans were working on the atomic bomb, Werner Heisenberg was their lead scientist, they thought that making something like atomic bomb was impossible, hence Heisenberg was not very enthusiastic about this project and kind of gave up

[@guacamolipepperoni3119]

No, i guess we can never answer this question. There are too many possibilities. Also Einstein left the country and brought the US many inside infoormations. We will never know if Otto Hahn and Werner Heisenberg had their own reasons, if they couldnt wrap their head around it or if it never got finished due to other reasons.

[@dannygjk]

It's possible WH secretly didn't want the NAZIs to get the bomb first.

[@Joe-sg9ll]

and he expressed that to Oppenheimer urging him not to either. Oppie knew and hyped the threat anyway

[@Joe-sg9ll]

​@@guacamolipepperoni3119Germany is the size of New Mexico. the Manhattan project used 600,000 people. they didn't have the resources

[@JacobOman-qb1lm]

Sounds like an american😂

[@Gdb987]

Well not really bc the Russians got it next and they never used them on any country so it would most likely be the same

[@TheEddietello70]

Drop on San Francisco he said 😂😂

[@thomasmcdonough6642]

Easy, the world would be speaking German.

[@angrytedtalks]

English is a Germanic language. So....

[@chrisjansson4540]

1,000 OF THEIR FINEST SCIENTIST!

[@edgarcardona228]

But how bout that Barbie tho

[@TheoTheo909]

if he didn't do it someone else would have

[@kenneth8497]

What if Hitler and Stalin had stayed friends.

[@issyeboi2060]

Germany would’ve won, and it would be Fascist/Communist cold war with America and Britain more then likely sidelined (if Britain wasn’t overtaken by the germans)

[@ccavicch]

😳

[@GarethK-my4go]

I mean, Stalin did not like Hitler, he had initially tried to ally with the west against Hitler, but when that idea was shut down, he took Hitler's treaty and used the time it bought to build up the USSR through the five year plans

[@thomasmcdonough6642]

Never happen

[@edwardlewis1963]

Yes. 2 big obvious questions about world war 2. 1: why did little Germany attack humungous Russia? 2: why did Japan, an island attack Hawaii, which brought the USA into the conflict? Looking back it seems to make no sense.

[@cringlator]

Japan and Germany had no chance to get the bomb by 45 and when we committed the mega war crime of nuking two cities, specifically for collateral civilian damage, the war had already been decided and the move was an imperialist political one more than anything.

[@randytruong6621]

Japan wasn’t going to surrender. Ever wonder why it look two bombs for them to finally give up ? Wah wah wah “war crimes”

[@dianapennepacker6854]

What ignorant BS. The war wasn't over or even close to being over. Japan spent a lot of effort, resources, and time fortifying the main island. They would have basically fought to the death. The Empereror was nearly overthrown by generals who wanted to continue the war. The estimated deaths of the invasion was in the millions. Worse for the Japanese. The military vowed to fight till the death for every last man. The nukes saved lives by making it apparent to everyone involved there was no situation in where Japan would win. Either surrender, and face punishment, or face eradication. Conventional bombing killed more than the nukes ever did by the way.

[@cringlator]

@@dianapennepacker6854 I think we are both right in some ways, though of course my personal bias sees you falling for post hoc justifications ignoring the actual facts on the ground that Japan was materially defeated and the regime was close to cracking up, as well as just bringing up fluff that doesn’t add to the argument. It’s an ongoing dialogue that historians and laymen still hash out, calling it ignorant BS is just a cop out for you to not need to address it though. I ironically see the original clip as ignorant BS, since it’s removed from history so completely; what if Japan and Germany got the nuke in ‘45? Okay, what if the allies built a military based on the moon? Both just as unlikely.

[@dianapennepacker6854]

@@cringlator Agreed on the video being crap. Did you see Japan's war plans for defending mainland Japan? They had 45 divisions left. Then they had 28 million in total support from all fighting age people that were volunteers? Sure not all were equipped, but they were making all the home made weapons to fit them out to be. They saved shells, 12,000 planes with half dedicated to kamikaze, 43 submarines, hundreds of mini submarines and thousands of naval kamikaze craft, and had 23 destroyers. Theu even had capital ships that were to be placed in spots for artillery and AA support since they didn't have fuel for them. They weren't even close to being beat. The military was in full propaganda mode saying, "Glorious death of 100 million" which meant the Japanese would fight till every last man, woman, and child defending the island. They knew they were beat too. Yet they refused unconditional surrender, and were hoping for some type of negotiation. The nukes changed that real quick, and in turn ended the war before mass civilian and military casualties from both sides happened. The Emperor, but more importantly the army who was trying to overthrow him realized they'd be obliterated without any glorious fight, and surrendered. Japan would hardly have a population today if the war went through. It stopped the fire bombings which again killed more. I just say it is ignorant; because I don't think you realize how ferocious and determined the Japanese were. They never had a successful invasion, and were determined to make it happen again. The irony is if we did go through with the invasion there would have been an other terrible hurricane that would have destroyed hundreds of landing ships. PS: The Soviets launching an assault on Japanese in Manchuria also swayed the surrender. Nukes saved lives overall. War is ugly, but showing we had nuclear bombs and would use them led to a quick surrender. The invasion would have been a complete slaughter for both sides like Okinawa was where Japanese civilians committed suicide in mass before surrendering.

[@edwardlewis1963]

Regarding the original clip, my takeaway is: "How much would the world be different then".

[@oskars1419]

Germany and europe will be superpower😊

[@chrisjansson4540]

Project bluebook and majestic 12

[@frank93907]

Complex, the lesser of two evils, at that point yes, but we should have never let it gotten that far to begin with. I understand we’re still a fairly young species in the world, and just trying to figure it out and be comfortable, nonetheless truly disappointing we couldn’t think ourselves out of it.

[@islamistruth2068]

USA used um first 😂😂

[@willgordon5737]

What if Germany had synthesized element 115? Would we all be speaking German while levitating in our cars?

[@badbotchdown9845]

The world make by Joe rogan just plain BS

[@rheahoover7004]

We didn't ❤

[@smoothskyentertainment4699]

If America hadn't got nuclear weapons first then japan wouldn't have been bombed

[@great_tech]

I am chocked. He said we god it first, and we use it first. And if we didn't someone else would do it

[@sumo-ninja]

What he means is if the axis had developed it first they would have used it to kill hundreds of millions to billions of people. ... We used it to stop the war.

[@leonmcclure5611]

😂😂😂

[@johnbrooks6243]

Oh dear ... Am i late.. Hi moses -_-

[@Jordankulbeck]

The most destructive?? I didnt know he invented wokism.

[@alfaqs1d3wayz]

Crazy, cuz I literally just watched the movie

[@luzvimindarobinson8791]

😇🥰🙏😀

[@Jorho80]

You know you can tell me that Russia was on our side in world war II but I would like to say that they were on their own side

[@jupiterwarrior2645]

no germany waged war on us and russia thus they were allies

[@GarethK-my4go]

I mean yeah. I'm Irish so my county was neutral. But the US and UK weren't too happy with being on the same side as the USSR, they ignored the USSR's attempts to establish collective security when H*tler came to power. Then when the Germans attacked the USSR the Americans and Brits held off on opening a second front, letting the USSR push their shared enemies back to Germany and only opening up a second front when they thought the Soviets were winning to much. They didn't see the USSR as an ally, just as a tool

[@chrisjansson4540]

JOE? MICROPROCESSORS. AND INTERNET. INTERNET AND MICROPROCESSOR'S KNUCKKE HEAD!

[@retardretarded1145]

Americans hypocrisy knows no limits 😂